MAP percentile cutoff for MS magnet lottery?

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Anonymous wrote:It depends but at our low-farms rate school, it was 95th percentile for both math & reading. We knew people in ELC who were not put in the humanities pool and got low 90s.

Also - relatedly - we have ONE global humanities class in 6th at our middle school. But feeder elementaries had 4 sections in total of ELC. We know ppl with 93-94th percentile map-r not admitted into global hum. Not sure what that's about; because we have 6 advanced math sections. I am guessing it's about staffing but I thought schools had to provide differentiated learning in math *and* reading.

This sounds like a school decision to discuss with the principal and/or director. It seems like the elementary schools are more open to offering enrichment in reading and math (more ELC classes), but the middle school is doing more gatekeeping (only one HIGH section). Everything I’ve seen about the enriched courses says schools have the chance to add students, but when you talk to the school they say they can’t.

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Our child's MS has two sections of the global hum and it's one of the largest schools but unlimited top math tracks.

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Anonymous wrote:I know MCPS doesn’t publicize this info, but does anyone know the approximate cutoff for MAP scores to be placed in the lottery pools for the MS magnets like Eastern/TPMS/Clemente etc?

95th? 90th?

Thanks!

It depends on the FARM's rate of school. There may be other factors that affect the requirements for individuals like ESOL, FARMS and 504, etc.

If a student is FARMS or ESOL the cutoff is 20-30 points lower.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It depends but at our low-farms rate school, it was 95th percentile for both math & reading. We knew people in ELC who were not put in the humanities pool and got low 90s.

Also - relatedly - we have ONE global humanities class in 6th at our middle school. But feeder elementaries had 4 sections in total of ELC. We know ppl with 93-94th percentile map-r not admitted into global hum. Not sure what that's about; because we have 6 advanced math sections. I am guessing it's about staffing but I thought schools had to provide differentiated learning in math *and* reading.

This sounds like a school decision to discuss with the principal and/or director. It seems like the elementary schools are more open to offering enrichment in reading and math (more ELC classes), but the middle school is doing more gatekeeping (only one HIGH section). Everything I’ve seen about the enriched courses says schools have the chance to add students, but when you talk to the school they say they can’t.

This is PP. My kid was lucky and got into HiGH. Not sure why her friends' parents (who were in ELC) aren't pushing the school honestly. When my older kid was in 6th, they had two HIGH classes. They actually need to expand HIGH because it's the only class where the kids learn to read and write.

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Anonymous wrote:It depends but at our low-farms rate school, it was 95th percentile for both math & reading. We knew people in ELC who were not put in the humanities pool and got low 90s.

Also - relatedly - we have ONE global humanities class in 6th at our middle school. But feeder elementaries had 4 sections in total of ELC. We know ppl with 93-94th percentile map-r not admitted into global hum. Not sure what that's about; because we have 6 advanced math sections. I am guessing it's about staffing but I thought schools had to provide differentiated learning in math *and* reading.

This sounds like a school decision to discuss with the principal and/or director. It seems like the elementary schools are more open to offering enrichment in reading and math (more ELC classes), but the middle school is doing more gatekeeping (only one HIGH section). Everything I’ve seen about the enriched courses says schools have the chance to add students, but when you talk to the school they say they can’t.

This is PP. My kid was lucky and got into HiGH. Not sure why her friends' parents (who were in ELC) aren't pushing the school honestly. When my older kid was in 6th, they had two HIGH classes. They actually need to expand HIGH because it's the only class where the kids learn to read and write.

That needs to be fixed.

English needs to be responsible instead of whatever they are doing instead.

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Anonymous wrote:The kids we know who got in to the MS magnets from those high FARMS schools are mostly white and they are from middle class or upper middle class families.

You know upper middle class white kids being admitted to middle school magnets from schools like Leleck Elementary, which has a 95% farms rate?

Because those are the schools that are in the highest farms bracket, schools were there are almost no kids who don't receive free and reduced lunch.

...or Watkins Mill ES, which has so few white kids that they don't even show up in the school demographic count?

I'd really encourage you to look at the list of schools deemed "high FARMS" because it is much shorter than you seem to think it is. Actually mixed income schools that might have some middle class kids are in other brackets, which are much larger than the "high FARMS" bracket.

Not from that school because those kids would go to Clemente and King rather than the other MS magnets but the several kids that are coming from clusters like Odessa Shannon do not appear to be FARMS. Using Odsessa Shannon as an example and not referring to specific kids from specific schools.

But Odessa Shannon is a middle school, and the "brackets" are by elementary school feeder. Only one of the three elementary schools that feeds into Odessa Shannon is "high FARMS" and the other two are not. That school (Kemp Mill) is almost 90 percent FARMS and fewer than 5 percent of the kids in the school are white.

So, again, it is hard to imagine you know several kids coming out of a designated high FARMS school that are white and upper middle class, as you claim.

Just admit you were wrong. It's fine.

It sounds like you don't have a kids at a magnet because if you did you'd know it's true. The middle school was just an example because no one wants to name and out specific elementary school students.

I do have kids at a magnet, one admitted pre-lottery and one after. I also had some visibility on who from my child's (moderate high FARMS) school was admitted, and the issue wasn't that only "UMC white kids" got in, it's that "UMC white kids" were the only ones that accepted the slots. Working class kids and kids of color were way less likely to accept the slot, which is something I'd be curious for MCPS to look at. Why are these kids turning down magnet MS slots?

I teach a MS magnet course. Our sixth graders who are students of color often express that they feel unwelcome by their peers. Imagine as an 11 year old having a 55 min bus ride to spend 1/3 of your day in classes with people who exclude you socially. The other 2/3 of the day you are in classes that are no better than those at your home school and might be worse. Then, you repeat the 55 min bus ride home. Once you arrive, instead of reconnecting with your neighborhood friends from ES, you have to complete two hours of magnet homework.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I know MCPS doesn’t publicize this info, but does anyone know the approximate cutoff for MAP scores to be placed in the lottery pools for the MS magnets like Eastern/TPMS/Clemente etc?

95th? 90th?

Thanks!

It depends on the FARM's rate of school. There may be other factors that affect the requirements for individuals like ESOL, FARMS and 504, etc.

If a student is FARMS or ESOL the cutoff is 20-30 points lower.

The attrition rate since they started the lottery is also 20%-30% higher.

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Anonymous wrote:The kids we know who got in to the MS magnets from those high FARMS schools are mostly white and they are from middle class or upper middle class families.

You know upper middle class white kids being admitted to middle school magnets from schools like Leleck Elementary, which has a 95% farms rate?

Because those are the schools that are in the highest farms bracket, schools were there are almost no kids who don't receive free and reduced lunch.

...or Watkins Mill ES, which has so few white kids that they don't even show up in the school demographic count?

I'd really encourage you to look at the list of schools deemed "high FARMS" because it is much shorter than you seem to think it is. Actually mixed income schools that might have some middle class kids are in other brackets, which are much larger than the "high FARMS" bracket.

Not from that school because those kids would go to Clemente and King rather than the other MS magnets but the several kids that are coming from clusters like Odessa Shannon do not appear to be FARMS. Using Odsessa Shannon as an example and not referring to specific kids from specific schools.

But Odessa Shannon is a middle school, and the "brackets" are by elementary school feeder. Only one of the three elementary schools that feeds into Odessa Shannon is "high FARMS" and the other two are not. That school (Kemp Mill) is almost 90 percent FARMS and fewer than 5 percent of the kids in the school are white.

So, again, it is hard to imagine you know several kids coming out of a designated high FARMS school that are white and upper middle class, as you claim.

Just admit you were wrong. It's fine.

It sounds like you don't have a kids at a magnet because if you did you'd know it's true. The middle school was just an example because no one wants to name and out specific elementary school students.

I do have kids at a magnet, one admitted pre-lottery and one after. I also had some visibility on who from my child's (moderate high FARMS) school was admitted, and the issue wasn't that only "UMC white kids" got in, it's that "UMC white kids" were the only ones that accepted the slots. Working class kids and kids of color were way less likely to accept the slot, which is something I'd be curious for MCPS to look at. Why are these kids turning down magnet MS slots?

I teach a MS magnet course. Our sixth graders who are students of color often express that they feel unwelcome by their peers. Imagine as an 11 year old having a 55 min bus ride to spend 1/3 of your day in classes with people who exclude you socially. The other 2/3 of the day you are in classes that are no better than those at your home school and might be worse. Then, you repeat the 55 min bus ride home. Once you arrive, instead of reconnecting with your neighborhood friends from ES, you have to complete two hours of magnet homework.

So where did they express this or is this just a personal anecdote?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I know MCPS doesn’t publicize this info, but does anyone know the approximate cutoff for MAP scores to be placed in the lottery pools for the MS magnets like Eastern/TPMS/Clemente etc?

95th? 90th?

Thanks!

It depends on the FARM's rate of school. There may be other factors that affect the requirements for individuals like ESOL, FARMS and 504, etc.

If a student is FARMS or ESOL the cutoff is 20-30 points lower.

Equity!

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Anonymous wrote:The kids we know who got in to the MS magnets from those high FARMS schools are mostly white and they are from middle class or upper middle class families.

You know upper middle class white kids being admitted to middle school magnets from schools like Leleck Elementary, which has a 95% farms rate?

Because those are the schools that are in the highest farms bracket, schools were there are almost no kids who don't receive free and reduced lunch.

...or Watkins Mill ES, which has so few white kids that they don't even show up in the school demographic count?

I'd really encourage you to look at the list of schools deemed "high FARMS" because it is much shorter than you seem to think it is. Actually mixed income schools that might have some middle class kids are in other brackets, which are much larger than the "high FARMS" bracket.

Not from that school because those kids would go to Clemente and King rather than the other MS magnets but the several kids that are coming from clusters like Odessa Shannon do not appear to be FARMS. Using Odsessa Shannon as an example and not referring to specific kids from specific schools.

But Odessa Shannon is a middle school, and the "brackets" are by elementary school feeder. Only one of the three elementary schools that feeds into Odessa Shannon is "high FARMS" and the other two are not. That school (Kemp Mill) is almost 90 percent FARMS and fewer than 5 percent of the kids in the school are white.

So, again, it is hard to imagine you know several kids coming out of a designated high FARMS school that are white and upper middle class, as you claim.

Just admit you were wrong. It's fine.

It sounds like you don't have a kids at a magnet because if you did you'd know it's true. The middle school was just an example because no one wants to name and out specific elementary school students.

I do have kids at a magnet, one admitted pre-lottery and one after. I also had some visibility on who from my child's (moderate high FARMS) school was admitted, and the issue wasn't that only "UMC white kids" got in, it's that "UMC white kids" were the only ones that accepted the slots. Working class kids and kids of color were way less likely to accept the slot, which is something I'd be curious for MCPS to look at. Why are these kids turning down magnet MS slots?

I teach a MS magnet course. Our sixth graders who are students of color often express that they feel unwelcome by their peers. Imagine as an 11 year old having a 55 min bus ride to spend 1/3 of your day in classes with people who exclude you socially. The other 2/3 of the day you are in classes that are no better than those at your home school and might be worse. Then, you repeat the 55 min bus ride home. Once you arrive, instead of reconnecting with your neighborhood friends from ES, you have to complete two hours of magnet homework.

So where did they express this or is this just a personal anecdote?

I think you can properly infer that the POC express this in this MS magnet teacher’s classroom, that this sentiment is true for many POC magnet students, and that this teacher interacts with other teachers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It depends but at our low-farms rate school, it was 95th percentile for both math & reading. We knew people in ELC who were not put in the humanities pool and got low 90s.

Also - relatedly - we have ONE global humanities class in 6th at our middle school. But feeder elementaries had 4 sections in total of ELC. We know ppl with 93-94th percentile map-r not admitted into global hum. Not sure what that's about; because we have 6 advanced math sections. I am guessing it's about staffing but I thought schools had to provide differentiated learning in math *and* reading.

This sounds like a school decision to discuss with the principal and/or director. It seems like the elementary schools are more open to offering enrichment in reading and math (more ELC classes), but the middle school is doing more gatekeeping (only one HIGH section). Everything I’ve seen about the enriched courses says schools have the chance to add students, but when you talk to the school they say they can’t.

Someone told me that there are so few spots that CES only has 4 seats per ES, MS magnet has 2 seats per ES. So out of the entire ES, only a couple of kids will get into the MS magnet because the program is that miniscule.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The kids we know who got in to the MS magnets from those high FARMS schools are mostly white and they are from middle class or upper middle class families.

You know upper middle class white kids being admitted to middle school magnets from schools like Leleck Elementary, which has a 95% farms rate?

Because those are the schools that are in the highest farms bracket, schools were there are almost no kids who don't receive free and reduced lunch.

...or Watkins Mill ES, which has so few white kids that they don't even show up in the school demographic count?

I'd really encourage you to look at the list of schools deemed "high FARMS" because it is much shorter than you seem to think it is. Actually mixed income schools that might have some middle class kids are in other brackets, which are much larger than the "high FARMS" bracket.

Not from that school because those kids would go to Clemente and King rather than the other MS magnets but the several kids that are coming from clusters like Odessa Shannon do not appear to be FARMS. Using Odsessa Shannon as an example and not referring to specific kids from specific schools.

But Odessa Shannon is a middle school, and the "brackets" are by elementary school feeder. Only one of the three elementary schools that feeds into Odessa Shannon is "high FARMS" and the other two are not. That school (Kemp Mill) is almost 90 percent FARMS and fewer than 5 percent of the kids in the school are white.

So, again, it is hard to imagine you know several kids coming out of a designated high FARMS school that are white and upper middle class, as you claim.

Just admit you were wrong. It's fine.

It sounds like you don't have a kids at a magnet because if you did you'd know it's true. The middle school was just an example because no one wants to name and out specific elementary school students.

I do have kids at a magnet, one admitted pre-lottery and one after. I also had some visibility on who from my child's (moderate high FARMS) school was admitted, and the issue wasn't that only "UMC white kids" got in, it's that "UMC white kids" were the only ones that accepted the slots. Working class kids and kids of color were way less likely to accept the slot, which is something I'd be curious for MCPS to look at. Why are these kids turning down magnet MS slots?

I teach a MS magnet course. Our sixth graders who are students of color often express that they feel unwelcome by their peers. Imagine as an 11 year old having a 55 min bus ride to spend 1/3 of your day in classes with people who exclude you socially. The other 2/3 of the day you are in classes that are no better than those at your home school and might be worse. Then, you repeat the 55 min bus ride home. Once you arrive, instead of reconnecting with your neighborhood friends from ES, you have to complete two hours of magnet homework.

This makes no sense to me. TPMS and Eastern are in majority non-white schools and the magnets themselves are very diverse. The kids who are URM are mostly local or a short bus ride away. Is it different in the upcounty magnets?

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Anonymous wrote:The kids we know who got in to the MS magnets from those high FARMS schools are mostly white and they are from middle class or upper middle class families.

You know upper middle class white kids being admitted to middle school magnets from schools like Leleck Elementary, which has a 95% farms rate?

Because those are the schools that are in the highest farms bracket, schools were there are almost no kids who don't receive free and reduced lunch.

...or Watkins Mill ES, which has so few white kids that they don't even show up in the school demographic count?

I'd really encourage you to look at the list of schools deemed "high FARMS" because it is much shorter than you seem to think it is. Actually mixed income schools that might have some middle class kids are in other brackets, which are much larger than the "high FARMS" bracket.

Not from that school because those kids would go to Clemente and King rather than the other MS magnets but the several kids that are coming from clusters like Odessa Shannon do not appear to be FARMS. Using Odsessa Shannon as an example and not referring to specific kids from specific schools.

But Odessa Shannon is a middle school, and the "brackets" are by elementary school feeder. Only one of the three elementary schools that feeds into Odessa Shannon is "high FARMS" and the other two are not. That school (Kemp Mill) is almost 90 percent FARMS and fewer than 5 percent of the kids in the school are white.

So, again, it is hard to imagine you know several kids coming out of a designated high FARMS school that are white and upper middle class, as you claim.

Just admit you were wrong. It's fine.

It sounds like you don't have a kids at a magnet because if you did you'd know it's true. The middle school was just an example because no one wants to name and out specific elementary school students.

I do have kids at a magnet, one admitted pre-lottery and one after. I also had some visibility on who from my child's (moderate high FARMS) school was admitted, and the issue wasn't that only "UMC white kids" got in, it's that "UMC white kids" were the only ones that accepted the slots. Working class kids and kids of color were way less likely to accept the slot, which is something I'd be curious for MCPS to look at. Why are these kids turning down magnet MS slots?

I teach a MS magnet course. Our sixth graders who are students of color often express that they feel unwelcome by their peers. Imagine as an 11 year old having a 55 min bus ride to spend 1/3 of your day in classes with people who exclude you socially. The other 2/3 of the day you are in classes that are no better than those at your home school and might be worse. Then, you repeat the 55 min bus ride home. Once you arrive, instead of reconnecting with your neighborhood friends from ES, you have to complete two hours of magnet homework.

I think some families with lower SES turn down the offers and never make it to the school. Even though there are buses it's a big commitment to have to drive somewhere outside your neighborhood to pick your child up for appointments or to meet with teachers or if they have an after-school activity. It is really difficult even if the parents have flexible jobs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I know MCPS doesn’t publicize this info, but does anyone know the approximate cutoff for MAP scores to be placed in the lottery pools for the MS magnets like Eastern/TPMS/Clemente etc?

95th? 90th?

Thanks!

It depends on the FARM's rate of school. There may be other factors that affect the requirements for individuals like ESOL, FARMS and 504, etc.

If a student is FARMS or ESOL the cutoff is 20-30 points lower.

Link to a source on this or it is BS.

[Anonymous]

My kid got offers at both magnets. I visited, and wasn't sold on it because the administration kept sending me to "Central office" to answer any question. Also, she had lots of friends at her home school and I thought it was too early for such specialization when my kid just wanted to stay with her friends. For the most part, we haven't regretted it (although 6th grade honors English for all sometimes makes me think wistfully of mlk) as she is very happy and definitely learning (especially in AIM + HIGH+ foreign language).