How did the University of Michigan become such an academic powerhouse?

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Anonymous wrote:Another former Michigander here. Wow- what is the Kalamazoo deal? I have never heard of that?

Living in Maryland now and I had not idea how good the options in Mich were until I have kids here now in the DMV. I went to UofM but there are actually a ton of colleges in Mich that arent even mentioned on this thread. Some are now even considered by OOSers.

Anecdotally I hear that the instate acceptance is getting pretty challenging. Even when I went in the 90s I had friends from high school with better stats than mind that did not get in.

Google Kalamazoo Promise

Sincerely,
A former Kalamazooan who could really use that money in my retirement account,
but grateful the next generations are benefiting from this gift

Yes! The Kalamazoo Promise. Attend k-12 in Kalamazoo public schools and you get 100% tuition to any Michigan public university and most private Michigan universities now participate as well. Even if you only attend 9-12 in public, you still 65% tuition paid! It’s pretty incredible.

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Wow! That is amazing!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:UVA is no. 5 worse than Unc.

…With Florida breathing down their neck. If a DeSantis university passes them, it will be 2016 all over again, with the UVA boosters lined up to buy coloring books & comfort animals.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UVA is no. 5 worse than Unc.

…With Florida breathing down their neck. If a DeSantis university passes them, it will be 2016 all over again, with the UVA boosters lined up to buy coloring books & comfort animals.

2024 Best Public Universities:

1) Berkeley
2) UCLA
3) Michigan
4) UNC
5) UC Davis
6) UC SD
7) UVA
8) Florida
9) Texas
10) Gatech

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another former Michigander here. Wow- what is the Kalamazoo deal? I have never heard of that?

Living in Maryland now and I had not idea how good the options in Mich were until I have kids here now in the DMV. I went to UofM but there are actually a ton of colleges in Mich that arent even mentioned on this thread. Some are now even considered by OOSers.

Anecdotally I hear that the instate acceptance is getting pretty challenging. Even when I went in the 90s I had friends from high school with better stats than mind that did not get in.

Google Kalamazoo Promise

Sincerely,
A former Kalamazooan who could really use that money in my retirement account,
but grateful the next generations are benefiting from this gift

Interesting! Any room in your time machine?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another former Michigander here. Wow- what is the Kalamazoo deal? I have never heard of that?

Living in Maryland now and I had not idea how good the options in Mich were until I have kids here now in the DMV. I went to UofM but there are actually a ton of colleges in Mich that arent even mentioned on this thread. Some are now even considered by OOSers.

Anecdotally I hear that the instate acceptance is getting pretty challenging. Even when I went in the 90s I had friends from high school with better stats than mind that did not get in.

Google Kalamazoo Promise

Sincerely,
A former Kalamazooan who could really use that money in my retirement account,
but grateful the next generations are benefiting from this gift

So wish! I am better off than many but my siblings especially could really use that loan money they paid over the decades.

Interesting! Any room in your time machine?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UVA is no. 5 worse than Unc.

…With Florida breathing down their neck. If a DeSantis university passes them, it will be 2016 all over again, with the UVA boosters lined up to buy coloring books & comfort animals.

2024 Best Public Universities:

1) Berkeley
2) UCLA
3) Michigan
4) UNC
5) UC Davis
6) UC SD
7) UVA
8) Florida
9) Texas
10) Gatech

+1

No. USNWR (the gold standard of rankings) has UVA at no. 5 public and no 24 of all universities. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/top-public

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Anonymous wrote:Shouldn’t all of this apply to MSU as well?

Like UVA and VT. Where there are too similar options, one of them tends to rise above because successful people want to cluster together.

I really don’t think MSU and UofM are at all comparable

The point is that many of the reasons cited for Michigan's rise stemmed from the state of Michigan's economy back in the day. If true, then why wouldn't MSU see a similar boost? Just playing Devil's advocate. In other words, is that really the reason for the rise or is it something else. The automakers have invested in both universities. Granted, Ann Arbor is closer to the Detroit, but Lansing is not much farther. So are other factors at play? Maybe that Michigan attracted more out-of-state students than MSU (precisely because MSU was a land-grant) school. It's interesting to see how the two evolved.

MSU did start off as a classic agricultural school, training farmers & teachers. But it gradually expanded, then rapidly expanded after WWII. Today it is huge & well-rounded, with very good business & engineering schools. While it is not as elite as U of Michigan, it has a solid reputation in the state and attracts plenty of students from other states & other countries.

What people posting here don’t seem to be aware of is that MSU established a significant branch campus near Detroit in the 1950s, which has evolved into Oakland University, now with 20,000 students. That campus is where some of MSU’s auto industry engineering & management efforts were channeled. It is located in the northern suburbs, close to the city of Pontiac, where General Motors had large facilities, close to where Chrysler moved its HQ in Auburn Hills, and not too far from GM’s enormous technology center in the city of Warren.

I live down the road from Oakland University. Outside of UM and MSU, Oakland and Grand Valley seem to be the schools where a lot of money is going.

[Anonymous]

Michigan grad but will give MSU it's due. The James Madison honors college is exceptional. Highly respected for grad school admission.

Very different environments. Think MSU is only 18% OOS. A Lot more provincial.