Educational Inequities in MCPS

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"In theory, Montgomery County should spend the same amount of around 17 thousand dollars per student. However, in practice, the high-performing expectation of the county leads to funding that sways in the favor of high-performing schools."

Lower performing schools do get more resources, lower student teacher ratios, all of that. If there were numbers showing that wealthy schools get more, it would be plastered everywhere. I hate that people oversimplify this issue with lies.

(I saw this as someone who is fine spending more where needs are greater. But don't misrepresent the actual facts!)

So is this why only the wealthy Potomac schools offer accelerated math in ES?

Yes, exactly! The rich and privileged are often the squeakiest wheel.

The rich and privileged learn basic math at home and are ready to advance to higher math sooner. It's not a conspiracy to withhold math from poor kids.

Rich and privileged start before kindergarten. Their children attend well structured preschools so they have foundational skills for kindergarten. Knowing the alphabet, writing their names, matching letters with sounds, behaving appropriately in a group, developing small motor skills through play - wealth brings a good start before public school even begins.

42.46% of Hispanic FARMS students in MCPS are chronically absent in 2022-3. Do you blame this on the rich and privileged?

Has anyone gotten to the root of this issue? Are they getting sick more often?

They travel for holidays as well as to visit family abroad…sometimes for weeks at a time.

Hispanic FARMS students are traveling abroad for multiple weeks during the school year? Okaaaay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I love this comment:

4. Teach grammar. Like, seriously. It should be part of the curriculum instead of an afterthought.

Me agree

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Whatever. If coaching classes made brilliant kids, then the easiest thing to do was get the URM kids into coaching classes.

The problem is the poverty and the culture of the families that produces the URM, FARMS and ESOL students. On an education policy level, no one has been able to crack the code to get these students to perform.

[Anonymous]

My kids go to a Title I elementary school, and I think the school does a very good job with academics. They have smaller class sizes, seemingly a lot of paraeducator support and pull-outs, and opportunities for enrichment. There is a decent cohort of high achieving kids and engaged parents. I know it doesn’t solve all the problems in the higher grades, but throwing money and resources at the early grades seems to do something, at least in those grades.

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Anonymous wrote:LMAO what moron wrote this:

"In theory, Montgomery County should spend the same amount of around 17 thousand dollars per student. However, in practice, the high-performing expectation of the county leads to funding that sways in the favor of high-performing schools."

Lower performing schools do get more resources, lower student teacher ratios, all of that. If there were numbers showing that wealthy schools get more, it would be plastered everywhere. I hate that people oversimplify this issue with lies.

(I saw this as someone who is fine spending more where needs are greater. But don't misrepresent the actual facts!)

So is this why only the wealthy Potomac schools offer accelerated math in ES?

Yes, exactly! The rich and privileged are often the squeakiest wheel.

The rich and privileged learn basic math at home and are ready to advance to higher math sooner. It's not a conspiracy to withhold math from poor kids.

Rich and privileged start before kindergarten. Their children attend well structured preschools so they have foundational skills for kindergarten. Knowing the alphabet, writing their names, matching letters with sounds, behaving appropriately in a group, developing small motor skills through play - wealth brings a good start before public school even begins.

42.46% of Hispanic FARMS students in MCPS are chronically absent in 2022-3. Do you blame this on the rich and privileged?

Has anyone gotten to the root of this issue? Are they getting sick more often?

They travel for holidays as well as to visit family abroad…sometimes for weeks at a time.

So do Asian kids but their absences are not at that level.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kids go to a Title I elementary school, and I think the school does a very good job with academics. They have smaller class sizes, seemingly a lot of paraeducator support and pull-outs, and opportunities for enrichment. There is a decent cohort of high achieving kids and engaged parents. I know it doesn’t solve all the problems in the higher grades, but throwing money and resources at the early grades seems to do something, at least in those grades.

Been there.. Elementary school is different. Something happens in middle school though..and you know what that is? The kids become stubborn teens, more difficult, and the administrators ignore theue behavior. All goes back to, no consequences and no expectations.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:LMAO what moron wrote this:

"In theory, Montgomery County should spend the same amount of around 17 thousand dollars per student. However, in practice, the high-performing expectation of the county leads to funding that sways in the favor of high-performing schools."

Lower performing schools do get more resources, lower student teacher ratios, all of that. If there were numbers showing that wealthy schools get more, it would be plastered everywhere. I hate that people oversimplify this issue with lies.

(I saw this as someone who is fine spending more where needs are greater. But don't misrepresent the actual facts!)

So is this why only the wealthy Potomac schools offer accelerated math in ES?

Yes, exactly! The rich and privileged are often the squeakiest wheel.

The rich and privileged learn basic math at home and are ready to advance to higher math sooner. It's not a conspiracy to withhold math from poor kids.

Rich and privileged start before kindergarten. Their children attend well structured preschools so they have foundational skills for kindergarten. Knowing the alphabet, writing their names, matching letters with sounds, behaving appropriately in a group, developing small motor skills through play - wealth brings a good start before public school even begins.

False. It's not a money issue. It's a parenting issue.

Some parents do focus on the education of the children. However, that's if the parents respect education and school. Not all do.

People with lower incomes are also less likely to have advanced education and degrees. If the parents lack advanced education, they are less likely to focus on the education of their children, or can't teach them at home themselves, so their children are at are at an environmental disadvantage at home.

I lived in a neighborhood where ES kids were permitted to play in the playgrounds after dark; sometimes to 10 PM or later. These were young kids. There's nothing that a teacher can do under those circumstances, so unless you force-boarding-school at MCPS; changing schools or adding a program isn't going to help in that situation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kids go to a Title I elementary school, and I think the school does a very good job with academics. They have smaller class sizes, seemingly a lot of paraeducator support and pull-outs, and opportunities for enrichment. There is a decent cohort of high achieving kids and engaged parents. I know it doesn’t solve all the problems in the higher grades, but throwing money and resources at the early grades seems to do something, at least in those grades.

Been there.. Elementary school is different. Something happens in middle school though..and you know what that is? The kids become stubborn teens, more difficult, and the administrators ignore theue behavior. All goes back to, no consequences and no expectations.

It’s hard to learn in classrooms when other students are not on task and being disruptive. Students who have behavior problems should either be sent to special classrooms or schools so it doesn’t interfere with the students who go to school to learn.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:LMAO what moron wrote this:

"In theory, Montgomery County should spend the same amount of around 17 thousand dollars per student. However, in practice, the high-performing expectation of the county leads to funding that sways in the favor of high-performing schools."

Lower performing schools do get more resources, lower student teacher ratios, all of that. If there were numbers showing that wealthy schools get more, it would be plastered everywhere. I hate that people oversimplify this issue with lies.

(I saw this as someone who is fine spending more where needs are greater. But don't misrepresent the actual facts!)

Yep

Their parents work jobs under the table for cash. They have money they prioritize for travel.


So is this why only the wealthy Potomac schools offer accelerated math in ES?

Yes, exactly! The rich and privileged are often the squeakiest wheel.

The rich and privileged learn basic math at home and are ready to advance to higher math sooner. It's not a conspiracy to withhold math from poor kids.

Rich and privileged start before kindergarten. Their children attend well structured preschools so they have foundational skills for kindergarten. Knowing the alphabet, writing their names, matching letters with sounds, behaving appropriately in a group, developing small motor skills through play - wealth brings a good start before public school even begins.

42.46% of Hispanic FARMS students in MCPS are chronically absent in 2022-3. Do you blame this on the rich and privileged?

Has anyone gotten to the root of this issue? Are they getting sick more often?

They travel for holidays as well as to visit family abroad…sometimes for weeks at a time.

Hispanic FARMS students are traveling abroad for multiple weeks during the school year? Okaaaay.

[Anonymous]

It's interesting that the OP changed inequality to inequity. Inequity means "the government isn't being socialist enough for my liking."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LMAO what moron wrote this:

"In theory, Montgomery County should spend the same amount of around 17 thousand dollars per student. However, in practice, the high-performing expectation of the county leads to funding that sways in the favor of high-performing schools."

Lower performing schools do get more resources, lower student teacher ratios, all of that. If there were numbers showing that wealthy schools get more, it would be plastered everywhere. I hate that people oversimplify this issue with lies.

(I saw this as someone who is fine spending more where needs are greater. But don't misrepresent the actual facts!)

So is this why only the wealthy Potomac schools offer accelerated math in ES?

Yes, exactly! The rich and privileged are often the squeakiest wheel.

The rich and privileged learn basic math at home and are ready to advance to higher math sooner. It's not a conspiracy to withhold math from poor kids.

Rich and privileged start before kindergarten. Their children attend well structured preschools so they have foundational skills for kindergarten. Knowing the alphabet, writing their names, matching letters with sounds, behaving appropriately in a group, developing small motor skills through play - wealth brings a good start before public school even begins.

False. It's not a money issue. It's a parenting issue.

Some parents do focus on the education of the children. However, that's if the parents respect education and school. Not all do.

People with lower incomes are also less likely to have advanced education and degrees. If the parents lack advanced education, they are less likely to focus on the education of their children, or can't teach them at home themselves, so their children are at are at an environmental disadvantage at home.

I lived in a neighborhood where ES kids were permitted to play in the playgrounds after dark; sometimes to 10 PM or later. These were young kids. There's nothing that a teacher can do under those circumstances, so unless you force-boarding-school at MCPS; changing schools or adding a program isn't going to help in that situation.

You realize people like social workers, nurses, public health officials, teachers, and other professions all have masters degrees and lower income. We all value education as do those in service professions.

[Anonymous]

One of the bigger inequalities that nobody talks about is how schools these days solely focus on the overwhelming number of kids below grade level. I mean I'm all for this but it is most often at the expense of those who are at grade level. They get completely ignored. For example, last year I asked one of my kids when their last reading group was they said 3 months ago. Meanwhile, half their class gets a group 3 days a week. Our schools need to serve all students and meet them where they are.

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Anonymous wrote:One of the bigger inequalities that nobody talks about is how schools these days solely focus on the overwhelming number of kids below grade level. I mean I'm all for this but it is most often at the expense of those who are at grade level. They get completely ignored. For example, last year I asked one of my kids when their last reading group was they said 3 months ago. Meanwhile, half their class gets a group 3 days a week. Our schools need to serve all students and meet them where they are.

That's the difference between equity and equality. With equity as MCPS's mantra, they can't spend time and money one anyone who isn't behind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:'Additionally, transportation is a big problem due to Poolesville's location, resulting in only students with access to a car being able to attend, a luxury not many lower-income families can afford'

There is a bus...

Yes, and he should have appropriately caveated that. There are bus routes, but you might not live close to one of the stops.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Whatever. If coaching classes made brilliant kids, then the easiest thing to do was get the URM kids into coaching classes.

The problem is the poverty and the culture of the families that produces the URM, FARMS and ESOL students. On an education policy level, no one has been able to crack the code to get these students to perform.

Might have helped if one of the cultures you’re likely referencing wasn’t literally prevented access to education for hundreds of years, and then segregated after that.