Educational Inequities in MCPS

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"In theory, Montgomery County should spend the same amount of around 17 thousand dollars per student. However, in practice, the high-performing expectation of the county leads to funding that sways in the favor of high-performing schools."

Lower performing schools do get more resources, lower student teacher ratios, all of that. If there were numbers showing that wealthy schools get more, it would be plastered everywhere. I hate that people oversimplify this issue with lies.

(I saw this as someone who is fine spending more where needs are greater. But don't misrepresent the actual facts!)

So is this why only the wealthy Potomac schools offer accelerated math in ES?

Yes, exactly! The rich and privileged are often the squeakiest wheel.

The rich and privileged learn basic math at home and are ready to advance to higher math sooner. It's not a conspiracy to withhold math from poor kids.

Rich and privileged start before kindergarten. Their children attend well structured preschools so they have foundational skills for kindergarten. Knowing the alphabet, writing their names, matching letters with sounds, behaving appropriately in a group, developing small motor skills through play - wealth brings a good start before public school even begins.

42.46% of Hispanic FARMS students in MCPS are chronically absent in 2022-3. Do you blame this on the rich and privileged?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The only way to fix the problem is to realize schools must provide the structure, discipline, and education their families can’t/won’t.

Google Cristo Rey schools.

Raise the bar, don’t lower it.

Instill dignity, respect, responsibility, and consequences.

+100

People will knock this (Catholic) school approach b/c “of course they succeed when they can kick out disruptive students!!!!” but that refrain does not do justice to what Cristo Rey and some other Catholic schools achieve for the disadvantaged kids they serve.

But this only works if the family buys into it. Nothing will work if the family isn’t behind the student.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LMAO what moron wrote this:

"In theory, Montgomery County should spend the same amount of around 17 thousand dollars per student. However, in practice, the high-performing expectation of the county leads to funding that sways in the favor of high-performing schools."

Lower performing schools do get more resources, lower student teacher ratios, all of that. If there were numbers showing that wealthy schools get more, it would be plastered everywhere. I hate that people oversimplify this issue with lies.

(I saw this as someone who is fine spending more where needs are greater. But don't misrepresent the actual facts!)

So is this why only the wealthy Potomac schools offer accelerated math in ES?

Yes, exactly! The rich and privileged are often the squeakiest wheel.

The rich and privileged learn basic math at home and are ready to advance to higher math sooner. It's not a conspiracy to withhold math from poor kids.

Rich and privileged start before kindergarten. Their children attend well structured preschools so they have foundational skills for kindergarten. Knowing the alphabet, writing their names, matching letters with sounds, behaving appropriately in a group, developing small motor skills through play - wealth brings a good start before public school even begins.

42.46% of Hispanic FARMS students in MCPS are chronically absent in 2022-3. Do you blame this on the rich and privileged?

I agree it's a problem and one the county or no amount of money can solve. Maybe the answer is just to accept that not everyone wants the same outcome and the county can only make opportunities available. I don't really see this as a problem. Not everyone has to go to college. In fact, many may be better off looking at a trade than being forced into abstract subjects they don't really value.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only way to fix the problem is to realize schools must provide the structure, discipline, and education their families can’t/won’t.

Google Cristo Rey schools.

Raise the bar, don’t lower it.

Instill dignity, respect, responsibility, and consequences.

+100

People will knock this (Catholic) school approach b/c “of course they succeed when they can kick out disruptive students!!!!” but that refrain does not do justice to what Cristo Rey and some other Catholic schools achieve for the disadvantaged kids they serve.

where's the lie?

Sidwell, St. Albans, and every progressive equity-blah-blah private school that DCUM loves picks and chooses its students (and rejects or counsels out disrupters)… and are they the engines of social mobility that Cristo Rey is?? Nope. So yeah, I’ll give credit where credit is due.

Absolutely no one is refusing to give credit to inititatives like Cristo Rey. However, you are talking about a program that does not provide support for ELLs, nor does it provide accommodations for kids with learning differences. Moreover, it requires a competitive application and family interview.

It is a great program if your goal is "identify the poor/working class kids least impacted by generational trauma and move them out of the public schools."

However, it has no bearing on a discussion of public education. It's not the least bit scalable or replicable because it relies on a child having strong family supports, no learning differences, and excellent executive function. That kid was probably already going to do okay!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The only way to fix the problem is to realize schools must provide the structure, discipline, and education their families can’t/won’t.

Google Cristo Rey schools.

Raise the bar, don’t lower it.

Instill dignity, respect, responsibility, and consequences.

THIS. I said the same thing. We need to make ALL schools conducive to learning and that starts with the bolded. There is absolutely no reason why a child regardless of background can't have any of that. In fact, they NEED it to be successful in life. Not having good parents is not an excuse. The schools should instill and expect this of them. They're not going to be with their parents forever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only way to fix the problem is to realize schools must provide the structure, discipline, and education their families can’t/won’t.

Google Cristo Rey schools.

Raise the bar, don’t lower it.

Instill dignity, respect, responsibility, and consequences.

THIS. I said the same thing. We need to make ALL schools conducive to learning and that starts with the bolded. There is absolutely no reason why a child regardless of background can't have any of that. In fact, they NEED it to be successful in life. Not having good parents is not an excuse. The schools should instill and expect this of them. They're not going to be with their parents forever.

I agree with you but progressives are standing firmly in the way. They say that trying to instill these values in certain populations is racist and that the system much change to accommodate the values of these other cultures. This is at the core of of anti-racism. Don't just take my word for it though. Read Kendi and Jewell. With anti-racism as one of MCPS's core values, things will spiral downward for the next decade until things get so bad they have to change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only way to fix the problem is to realize schools must provide the structure, discipline, and education their families can’t/won’t.

Google Cristo Rey schools.

Raise the bar, don’t lower it.

Instill dignity, respect, responsibility, and consequences.

THIS. I said the same thing. We need to make ALL schools conducive to learning and that starts with the bolded. There is absolutely no reason why a child regardless of background can't have any of that. In fact, they NEED it to be successful in life. Not having good parents is not an excuse. The schools should instill and expect this of them. They're not going to be with their parents forever.

I agree with you but progressives are standing firmly in the way. They say that trying to instill these values in certain populations is racist and that the system much change to accommodate the values of these other cultures. This is at the core of of anti-racism. Don't just take my word for it though. Read Kendi and Jewell. With anti-racism as one of MCPS's core values, things will spiral downward for the next decade until things get so bad they have to change.

https://reportcard.msde.maryland.gov/Graphs/#/Demographics/ChronicAbsenteeism/3/99/1/6/15/XXXX/2022

MCPS Chronic Absenteeism Data in 2022:
Hispanic 36.6
African-American 22.2
White 13.6
Asian 11.5

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only way to fix the problem is to realize schools must provide the structure, discipline, and education their families can’t/won’t.

Google Cristo Rey schools.

Raise the bar, don’t lower it.

Instill dignity, respect, responsibility, and consequences.

THIS. I said the same thing. We need to make ALL schools conducive to learning and that starts with the bolded. There is absolutely no reason why a child regardless of background can't have any of that. In fact, they NEED it to be successful in life. Not having good parents is not an excuse. The schools should instill and expect this of them. They're not going to be with their parents forever.

Yes, add more Honors for all programs and raise the bar for everyone!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LMAO what moron wrote this:

"In theory, Montgomery County should spend the same amount of around 17 thousand dollars per student. However, in practice, the high-performing expectation of the county leads to funding that sways in the favor of high-performing schools."

Lower performing schools do get more resources, lower student teacher ratios, all of that. If there were numbers showing that wealthy schools get more, it would be plastered everywhere. I hate that people oversimplify this issue with lies.

(I saw this as someone who is fine spending more where needs are greater. But don't misrepresent the actual facts!)

That’s all fine except teachers (especially K-5) are under to pressure to get kids to a certain level and that’s hard if the kids aren’t in school or misbehave. The behavior issues and chronic absences create more serious distractions in middle and high school.

But I agree that mcps must recognize the impact on shifting demographics. Like you said, not everyone values education. Not everyone is aiming for college.
So is this why only the wealthy Potomac schools offer accelerated math in ES?

Yes, exactly! The rich and privileged are often the squeakiest wheel.

The rich and privileged learn basic math at home and are ready to advance to higher math sooner. It's not a conspiracy to withhold math from poor kids.

Rich and privileged start before kindergarten. Their children attend well structured preschools so they have foundational skills for kindergarten. Knowing the alphabet, writing their names, matching letters with sounds, behaving appropriately in a group, developing small motor skills through play - wealth brings a good start before public school even begins.

42.46% of Hispanic FARMS students in MCPS are chronically absent in 2022-3. Do you blame this on the rich and privileged?

I agree it's a problem and one the county or no amount of money can solve. Maybe the answer is just to accept that not everyone wants the same outcome and the county can only make opportunities available. I don't really see this as a problem. Not everyone has to go to college. In fact, many may be better off looking at a trade than being forced into abstract subjects they don't really value.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only way to fix the problem is to realize schools must provide the structure, discipline, and education their families can’t/won’t.

Google Cristo Rey schools.

Raise the bar, don’t lower it.

Instill dignity, respect, responsibility, and consequences.

THIS. I said the same thing. We need to make ALL schools conducive to learning and that starts with the bolded. There is absolutely no reason why a child regardless of background can't have any of that. In fact, they NEED it to be successful in life. Not having good parents is not an excuse. The schools should instill and expect this of them. They're not going to be with their parents forever.

1. Uniforms. I’d rather see mcps dollars invested in uniforms for low income kids than some of the nonsense they throw money at.

2. Teacher dress code.

3. Raise the bar. Admit that benchmark was a miserable waste of money. Use actual books for reading, and focus on literature rather than the nonsense in benchmark.

4. Teach grammar. Like, seriously. It should be part of the curriculum instead of an afterthought.

5. Group kids by ability and scale back the math and reading blocks so teachers are teaching one group on level. This provides more time for things like…grammar and writing…on level!

6. Kids with serious learning disabilities and behavior issues need a special approach. Classroom teachers can’t focus on the majority when they are distracted by a select few extra needy students.

7. Talk about personal responsibility, civics, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LMAO what moron wrote this:

"In theory, Montgomery County should spend the same amount of around 17 thousand dollars per student. However, in practice, the high-performing expectation of the county leads to funding that sways in the favor of high-performing schools."

Lower performing schools do get more resources, lower student teacher ratios, all of that. If there were numbers showing that wealthy schools get more, it would be plastered everywhere. I hate that people oversimplify this issue with lies.

(I saw this as someone who is fine spending more where needs are greater. But don't misrepresent the actual facts!)

So is this why only the wealthy Potomac schools offer accelerated math in ES?

Yes, exactly! The rich and privileged are often the squeakiest wheel.

The rich and privileged learn basic math at home and are ready to advance to higher math sooner. It's not a conspiracy to withhold math from poor kids.

Rich and privileged start before kindergarten. Their children attend well structured preschools so they have foundational skills for kindergarten. Knowing the alphabet, writing their names, matching letters with sounds, behaving appropriately in a group, developing small motor skills through play - wealth brings a good start before public school even begins.

42.46% of Hispanic FARMS students in MCPS are chronically absent in 2022-3. Do you blame this on the rich and privileged?

I agree it's a problem and one the county or no amount of money can solve. Maybe the answer is just to accept that not everyone wants the same outcome and the county can only make opportunities available. I don't really see this as a problem. Not everyone has to go to college. In fact, many may be better off looking at a trade than being forced into abstract subjects they don't really value.

I wholeheartedly agree. The amount of resources, time, money we throw at this with no improvements is ridiculous. Time to move on and focus on the kids that want to learn.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LMAO what moron wrote this:

"In theory, Montgomery County should spend the same amount of around 17 thousand dollars per student. However, in practice, the high-performing expectation of the county leads to funding that sways in the favor of high-performing schools."

Lower performing schools do get more resources, lower student teacher ratios, all of that. If there were numbers showing that wealthy schools get more, it would be plastered everywhere. I hate that people oversimplify this issue with lies.

(I saw this as someone who is fine spending more where needs are greater. But don't misrepresent the actual facts!)

So is this why only the wealthy Potomac schools offer accelerated math in ES?

Yes, exactly! The rich and privileged are often the squeakiest wheel.

The rich and privileged learn basic math at home and are ready to advance to higher math sooner. It's not a conspiracy to withhold math from poor kids.

Rich and privileged start before kindergarten. Their children attend well structured preschools so they have foundational skills for kindergarten. Knowing the alphabet, writing their names, matching letters with sounds, behaving appropriately in a group, developing small motor skills through play - wealth brings a good start before public school even begins.

42.46% of Hispanic FARMS students in MCPS are chronically absent in 2022-3. Do you blame this on the rich and privileged?

Has anyone gotten to the root of this issue? Are they getting sick more often?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The only way to fix the problem is to realize schools must provide the structure, discipline, and education their families can’t/won’t.

Google Cristo Rey schools.

Raise the bar, don’t lower it.

Instill dignity, respect, responsibility, and consequences.

THIS. I said the same thing. We need to make ALL schools conducive to learning and that starts with the bolded. There is absolutely no reason why a child regardless of background can't have any of that. In fact, they NEED it to be successful in life. Not having good parents is not an excuse. The schools should instill and expect this of them. They're not going to be with their parents forever.

I agree with you but progressives are standing firmly in the way. They say that trying to instill these values in certain populations is racist and that the system much change to accommodate the values of these other cultures. This is at the core of of anti-racism. Don't just take my word for it though. Read Kendi and Jewell. With anti-racism as one of MCPS's core values, things will spiral downward for the next decade until things get so bad they have to change.

+1 progressivism is actually regressive.

[Anonymous]

I love this comment:

4. Teach grammar. Like, seriously. It should be part of the curriculum instead of an afterthought.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LMAO what moron wrote this:

"In theory, Montgomery County should spend the same amount of around 17 thousand dollars per student. However, in practice, the high-performing expectation of the county leads to funding that sways in the favor of high-performing schools."

Lower performing schools do get more resources, lower student teacher ratios, all of that. If there were numbers showing that wealthy schools get more, it would be plastered everywhere. I hate that people oversimplify this issue with lies.

(I saw this as someone who is fine spending more where needs are greater. But don't misrepresent the actual facts!)

So is this why only the wealthy Potomac schools offer accelerated math in ES?

Yes, exactly! The rich and privileged are often the squeakiest wheel.

The rich and privileged learn basic math at home and are ready to advance to higher math sooner. It's not a conspiracy to withhold math from poor kids.

Rich and privileged start before kindergarten. Their children attend well structured preschools so they have foundational skills for kindergarten. Knowing the alphabet, writing their names, matching letters with sounds, behaving appropriately in a group, developing small motor skills through play - wealth brings a good start before public school even begins.

42.46% of Hispanic FARMS students in MCPS are chronically absent in 2022-3. Do you blame this on the rich and privileged?

Has anyone gotten to the root of this issue? Are they getting sick more often?

They travel for holidays as well as to visit family abroad…sometimes for weeks at a time.