General admission bias in favor of male applicants

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Anonymous wrote:Women control k-12 education and now college. They design the experience and set the expectations. When girls do relatively worse on standardized tests, they de-emphasize standardized tests. Everything about education these days is hostile to masculine energy which is of course considered toxic. Look at the books your son has to read in English class. The college application process itself favors girls- cultivating relationships with teachers for recommendations where they divulge all their feelings and dreams, getting involved in all these silly organizations. The system is dominated by women and rigged against boys.

Leadership positions at both k-12 and college level are overwhelmingly male.

So what? Kids do not have much interaction with leadership. Day to day it is all women. A lot of women dislike or hate boys/males(even their own kids) and blame them for everything. Just read this board. I would not want a lot of the posters here dealing/interacting with boys in any type of capacity.

When was it that teaching wasn't primarily women's work? And when did the problems for boys start?

The attitudes have changed. The traditional loving mom type teacher we grew up with has evolved into a bitter progressive Randy Weingarten admiring man hater.

DP. Teachers, if you’re reading this, I’m so sorry you have to deal with parents like the PP, and being blamed for every single societal problem. I appreciate you and everything you’ve done for my girl and my boy. Please don’t quit.

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Anonymous wrote:Women control k-12 education and now college. They design the experience and set the expectations. When girls do relatively worse on standardized tests, they de-emphasize standardized tests. Everything about education these days is hostile to masculine energy which is of course considered toxic. Look at the books your son has to read in English class. The college application process itself favors girls- cultivating relationships with teachers for recommendations where they divulge all their feelings and dreams, getting involved in all these silly organizations. The system is dominated by women and rigged against boys.

Leadership positions at both k-12 and college level are overwhelmingly male.

So what? Kids do not have much interaction with leadership. Day to day it is all women. A lot of women dislike or hate boys/males(even their own kids) and blame them for everything. Just read this board. I would not want a lot of the posters here dealing/interacting with boys in any type of capacity.

When was it that teaching wasn't primarily women's work? And when did the problems for boys start?

The attitudes have changed. The traditional loving mom type teacher we grew up with has evolved into a bitter progressive Randy Weingarten admiring man hater.

Sure, sure, and the knuckle-wrapping school marms of yore, that was a false stereotype, but your reports are real?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Women control k-12 education and now college. They design the experience and set the expectations. When girls do relatively worse on standardized tests, they de-emphasize standardized tests. Everything about education these days is hostile to masculine energy which is of course considered toxic. Look at the books your son has to read in English class. The college application process itself favors girls- cultivating relationships with teachers for recommendations where they divulge all their feelings and dreams, getting involved in all these silly organizations. The system is dominated by women and rigged against boys.

Leadership positions at both k-12 and college level are overwhelmingly male.

"Leadership" at K-12 doesn't even matter. If your kid's school has a male principal, your kid will never even see him. The teachers your kids interact with all day every day are overwhelmingly female. In short, as the PP said, women control K-12 education where it matters - at the pit face - they control the experience from end to end. That female teachers have failed boys is certainly a plausible argument based on the outcome.

My son has done great in public school with almost entirely female teachers. No one’s failed him. Expectations for behavior and academic performance begin at home. So many parents letting their boys play video games and watch YouTube for hours and hours every day and then complaining that the school system is rigged against them. Pathetic.

Your education has failed you if you think muh anecdote means anything. Writ large, the education system has clearly failed boys. And that system is run by women.

Oh yeah, who makes the rules and sets the expectations at home? Also women.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"Equity" at work. Trying to achieve "balance" instead of just going with the best candidates.

What do you do then if your student body is 80% mostly middle class, white or asian, female applicants?
I am all for an academic meritocracy, but if all colleges do this, what are the consequences on society for the next generations?
The article tries to get at this.

I understand we are in a patriarchy. It's hard to accept that we need men in college, even if they don't do as well in school as women. Why would we give them a break if they don't have the best academic profiles as a group, and if the people at the top are mostly all men anyway? But then what do you when hardly any men go on to graduate college, and take menial positions in society?

It would be a very interesting experiment, but perhaps not with the result you have in mind.

PP you're responding to. Fair points. My first inclination to answer your question was "yes, of course that's fine" but that is some food for thought. I doubt it is that skewed though. It's 55/45 or 60/40 ok? And why not try to address the problem at elementary age instead?

I actually doubt men will end up taking menial positions just because they don't go to college. There are lot of very high paying jobs that men are more likely to take than women. There was the recent thread about UPS drivers earning 6 figures. There's plumbing and contracting and electrical work. Police and Corrections may not require college. And you could also see new industries develop, like the coding explosion where many programmars were self-taught. Women can do all these jobs of course, but don't tend to go into them in high numbers.

I worry that they will try to might-makes-right bulldoze the merits of education, Joe the Plumber style. We already saw the prominence of that with the previous pres and the whole effort to stigmatize education as "elite." You have ones like Trump in it for the name (like the guy who doctored transcripts actually did any college level work?) but capitalizing on the appeal of his crude uninformed ramblings. And ones like DeSantis, Hawley and Cruz trying to divorce/bury their education to appeal to the grass roots anti ed momentum. Dude culture is already brewing. Guys foregoing higher ed will be the hops. The next era will be dominated by 24 hr beer pong on ESPN 9.

I don’t think men ready to give up that easily. Look what we’re doing at New College. Trying to wrest control back of the institutions.

It’s… not about wresting control from women, but from crazed Leftists. Many of whom are women, to be sure, but women as such are not seen as the problem.

Most white women vote GOP.

Hardly "leftist."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Women control k-12 education and now college. They design the experience and set the expectations. When girls do relatively worse on standardized tests, they de-emphasize standardized tests. Everything about education these days is hostile to masculine energy which is of course considered toxic. Look at the books your son has to read in English class. The college application process itself favors girls- cultivating relationships with teachers for recommendations where they divulge all their feelings and dreams, getting involved in all these silly organizations. The system is dominated by women and rigged against boys.

Leadership positions at both k-12 and college level are overwhelmingly male.

"Leadership" at K-12 doesn't even matter. If your kid's school has a male principal, your kid will never even see him. The teachers your kids interact with all day every day are overwhelmingly female. In short, as the PP said, women control K-12 education where it matters - at the pit face - they control the experience from end to end. That female teachers have failed boys is certainly a plausible argument based on the outcome.

My son has done great in public school with almost entirely female teachers. No one’s failed him. Expectations for behavior and academic performance begin at home. So many parents letting their boys play video games and watch YouTube for hours and hours every day and then complaining that the school system is rigged against them. Pathetic.

Your education has failed you if you think muh anecdote means anything. Writ large, the education system has clearly failed boys. And that system is run by women.

Oh yeah, who makes the rules and sets the expectations at home? Also women.

Well, I was educated primarily by women, so bear with me. What would you do to the remedy the situation? How should we do to accommodate boys?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Women control k-12 education and now college. They design the experience and set the expectations. When girls do relatively worse on standardized tests, they de-emphasize standardized tests. Everything about education these days is hostile to masculine energy which is of course considered toxic. Look at the books your son has to read in English class. The college application process itself favors girls- cultivating relationships with teachers for recommendations where they divulge all their feelings and dreams, getting involved in all these silly organizations. The system is dominated by women and rigged against boys.

Leadership positions at both k-12 and college level are overwhelmingly male.

"Leadership" at K-12 doesn't even matter. If your kid's school has a male principal, your kid will never even see him. The teachers your kids interact with all day every day are overwhelmingly female. In short, as the PP said, women control K-12 education where it matters - at the pit face - they control the experience from end to end. That female teachers have failed boys is certainly a plausible argument based on the outcome.

My son has done great in public school with almost entirely female teachers. No one’s failed him. Expectations for behavior and academic performance begin at home. So many parents letting their boys play video games and watch YouTube for hours and hours every day and then complaining that the school system is rigged against them. Pathetic.

Your education has failed you if you think muh anecdote means anything. Writ large, the education system has clearly failed boys. And that system is run by women.

Oh yeah, who makes the rules and sets the expectations at home? Also women.

Well, I was educated primarily by women, so bear with me. What would you do to the remedy the situation? How should we do to accommodate boys?

More physical activity worked into the day, more hands on science in elementary and middle school, have boys start school a year later than girls since they mature more slowly.

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Anonymous wrote:Look, everyone knows… girls are better brown nosers (recs) and more organized (grades) and more desperate for social approval (willingness to participate in EC nonsense just to get into college). College admissions plays to their strengths (except for standardized testing but, voila, test optional). My DS is soooo much smarter than so many girls in his class who landed at higher ranked schools. But they were more able and willing to play the game. It will all work out in the end though.

Yep, people who play the game end up on top. Smarts are just smarts, and don't have much value after the standardized the testing days. Who's to say which is really smarter, but the distinction is small and there aren't many tasks that require extraordinary intelligence.

Boys mature later and are more durable. Most of these girls will end up as housewives trying to outmaneuver one another on the PTA and the like. If they are lucky. Otherwise they will have to grind it out supporting themselves while drowning in family responsibilities and getting fat.

Did you hear that? Your mom just called you upstairs. Your Hot Pocket is ready.

Ma! The meatloaf! We want it now!

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Anonymous wrote:The thing is though that high school and middle school favors girls because they go through puberty earlier and that leads to changes in the brain that are advantageous for doing well in school. Boys do catch up eventually, but the current system does make them look like weaker college applicants (esp now that it is so competitive to get into top colleges).

I’m not disagreeing, but when I was in high school boys were just as competitive academically as the girls. There was not this gender imbalance in the classroom. Boys today are particularly disengaged from academics - so I do believe something additional is going on. Chalking it up to simple brain maturity means you’re leaving other explanations on the table.

As school in general has become more drill and kill with lots of worksheets and less fun and creative work and more teaching to the test, it favors girls and boys disengage. As my 7th grade son said in reference to a friend of his who is very smart but constantly forgets to bring the correct materials to class or finish his homework "there are lots of smart boys, but the smart girls are better at school." Their school doesn't allow kids to carry their backpacks around and they only have a couple times a day to go to their lockers, so even that requires a level of organization I didn't have to have in middle school.

My experience has been completely different— teaching methods used to be more “kill & drill” when we were young. Most schools have moved toward project-based assignments, collaboration, and application of knowledge instead of memorization/drills. Teachers are also more accommodating now! Many allow kids to talk quietly, listen to music on headphones, and have a higher tolerance for noise & movement.

So, again, something else is going on. I’m not sure why boys are faltering, but I think it can be fixed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Women control k-12 education and now college. They design the experience and set the expectations. When girls do relatively worse on standardized tests, they de-emphasize standardized tests. Everything about education these days is hostile to masculine energy which is of course considered toxic. Look at the books your son has to read in English class. The college application process itself favors girls- cultivating relationships with teachers for recommendations where they divulge all their feelings and dreams, getting involved in all these silly organizations. The system is dominated by women and rigged against boys.

Leadership positions at both k-12 and college level are overwhelmingly male.

"Leadership" at K-12 doesn't even matter. If your kid's school has a male principal, your kid will never even see him. The teachers your kids interact with all day every day are overwhelmingly female. In short, as the PP said, women control K-12 education where it matters - at the pit face - they control the experience from end to end. That female teachers have failed boys is certainly a plausible argument based on the outcome.

My son has done great in public school with almost entirely female teachers. No one’s failed him. Expectations for behavior and academic performance begin at home. So many parents letting their boys play video games and watch YouTube for hours and hours every day and then complaining that the school system is rigged against them. Pathetic.

Your education has failed you if you think muh anecdote means anything. Writ large, the education system has clearly failed boys. And that system is run by women.

Oh yeah, who makes the rules and sets the expectations at home? Also women.

Well, I was educated primarily by women, so bear with me. What would you do to the remedy the situation? How should we do to accommodate boys?

More physical activity worked into the day, more hands on science in elementary and middle school, have boys start school a year later than girls since they mature more slowly.

I don’t have an issue with any of that. (Except for the last one, I would hope that boys that are ready to start at 5 are welcome to.) So what do you think it is about the bitter women teachers that is standing in the way?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Well, this didn't seem to help my boy during admissions...

Even rejected at some SLACs where I've seen DCUM people say a boy would get a boost, Meanwhile, those schools took lower stats/rigor LGBTQ girls from his grade instead. (I have no complaints, those girls will do great - but it just doesn't follow the narrative that "boys are in demand").

Yours is one, unsubstantiated anecdote. I just went through the process two years in a row: first with son, second with daughter. Son, with much lower grades and rigor, but slightly higher test scores, admitted to all the mid-tier SLACS (think F&M, Lafayette, Lehigh, Conn College, etc.); DD the next year with much better grades and slightly lower scores--which were still well within 75th percentile, waitlisted at all but one. That's my anecdote.

Yes - our anecdotes are referring about very different schools - mine were at T10 SLACs. I didn't say this isn't true - I just said it didn't seem to tip a scale for my DC. And I noted, I have no complaints.

I'm sharing our "anecdote" because there are always so many DCUM saying try "X SLAC for your straight white male where they will get more consideration" - where the SLAC is a T10. We didn't see this play out at all (even among other male classmates). It's helpful for DCUM parents to see both sets of anecdotes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wharton UG still gives a massive boost to female applicants.

A lot of the above article is due to test scores being optional

Men still outscore women on mcat, lsat, gmat, sat

Any idea if this holds true when for men vs women with the same high school GPA?

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Anonymous wrote:The thing is though that high school and middle school favors girls because they go through puberty earlier and that leads to changes in the brain that are advantageous for doing well in school. Boys do catch up eventually, but the current system does make them look like weaker college applicants (esp now that it is so competitive to get into top colleges).

I’m not disagreeing, but when I was in high school boys were just as competitive academically as the girls. There was not this gender imbalance in the classroom. Boys today are particularly disengaged from academics - so I do believe something additional is going on. Chalking it up to simple brain maturity means you’re leaving other explanations on the table.

As school in general has become more drill and kill with lots of worksheets and less fun and creative work and more teaching to the test, it favors girls and boys disengage. As my 7th grade son said in reference to a friend of his who is very smart but constantly forgets to bring the correct materials to class or finish his homework "there are lots of smart boys, but the smart girls are better at school." Their school doesn't allow kids to carry their backpacks around and they only have a couple times a day to go to their lockers, so even that requires a level of organization I didn't have to have in middle school.

My experience has been completely different— teaching methods used to be more “kill & drill” when we were young. Most schools have moved toward project-based assignments, collaboration, and application of knowledge instead of memorization/drills. Teachers are also more accommodating now! Many allow kids to talk quietly, listen to music on headphones, and have a higher tolerance for noise & movement.

So, again, something else is going on. I’m not sure why boys are faltering, but I think it can be fixed.

+1 Schools are bending over backwards to accommodate boys. The bar has gotten lower and lower, but I guess it’s not low enough.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Women control k-12 education and now college. They design the experience and set the expectations. When girls do relatively worse on standardized tests, they de-emphasize standardized tests. Everything about education these days is hostile to masculine energy which is of course considered toxic. Look at the books your son has to read in English class. The college application process itself favors girls- cultivating relationships with teachers for recommendations where they divulge all their feelings and dreams, getting involved in all these silly organizations. The system is dominated by women and rigged against boys.

Leadership positions at both k-12 and college level are overwhelmingly male.

"Leadership" at K-12 doesn't even matter. If your kid's school has a male principal, your kid will never even see him. The teachers your kids interact with all day every day are overwhelmingly female. In short, as the PP said, women control K-12 education where it matters - at the pit face - they control the experience from end to end. That female teachers have failed boys is certainly a plausible argument based on the outcome.

My son has done great in public school with almost entirely female teachers. No one’s failed him. Expectations for behavior and academic performance begin at home. So many parents letting their boys play video games and watch YouTube for hours and hours every day and then complaining that the school system is rigged against them. Pathetic.

Your education has failed you if you think muh anecdote means anything. Writ large, the education system has clearly failed boys. And that system is run by women.

Oh yeah, who makes the rules and sets the expectations at home? Also women.

Well, I was educated primarily by women, so bear with me. What would you do to the remedy the situation? How should we do to accommodate boys?

More physical activity worked into the day, more hands on science in elementary and middle school, have boys start school a year later than girls since they mature more slowly.

I don’t have an issue with any of that. (Except for the last one, I would hope that boys that are ready to start at 5 are welcome to.) So what do you think it is about the bitter women teachers that is standing in the way?

I'm not the bitter teacher poster. But I think no one could look at public education right now and think it is designed for what boys need. My kids middle school has 90 minute classes with no breaks during the classes and physical activity only 2-3 times a week. This starts in 6th grade. That doesn't work for a lot of boys. I'm an adult and we try to avoid 90 min meetings at my job because we know it's hard for even adults to focus for that long.

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Gender parity is attractive to the consumer - ie the high school seniors applying.

[Anonymous]

My oldest is a sophomore in college and when he was applying, we looked at M/F ratios. For most of the schools he was looking at, there was a lot of consistency between the gender divide in applications, admittances, and enrollments. Many, many schools were essentially 60/40 or worse in all three areas. He wound up at a SLAC that is close to 50-50 and I'm glad. I wouldn't want my sons to be at a school like Tulane or Vassar where the balance is so skewed toward women (or toward men for that matter!)