General admission bias in favor of male applicants

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^ funny. My son’s 4th grade teacher had a bunch of dramatic and mean girls that were always causing high drama and disruption. She said she loved to see my son at his seat in the back meeting her eyes in a collective eye roll.

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Anonymous wrote:This is what I did when they threw out the canon the year my son started high school. Instead of “Catcher in the Rye”, they substituted “Aristotle and Dante Discover the Secrets of the Universe,” a queer, coming-of-age novel set in El Paso. They threw out Fitzgerald, Faulkner, Hawthorne and other authors. Then they had trigger warnings in the syllabus. So I ended up hiring a female, Black PhD Literature candidate to tutor my son. She was able to give him the perspective he needed to get good grades on his papers. Best thing I ever did.

Outrageous. Maybe we can all hire our own personal DEI coaches just to be able to function in this postmodern hellscape.

I felt I was beating them at their own game.

Simpler explanation, she knew how to read and write, and actually taught your DC something, but good for him.

Who would you have hired to give him the correct perspective to write well about rich, morally corrupt people from the jazz age; poor Southerners and intellectually disabled people; Puritans and adulterers? (ie., the characters in Fitzgerald, Faulkner, and Hawthorne works). I mean, it seems every bit of lit from the anon asks your child to relate to a group of people far removed from his experience, but you only have issues with queer folks from texas?

Boys do not want to read about whining victims of any kind at all. Boys want to read about overcoming a great challenge - and by great challenge they do NOT mean "someone said something mean that hurt my feelings".

I don't think reading lists are the issue. I recall doing AP English way back when, and for summer reading it was Tess of the D'urbevilles, Wuthering Heights, Emma, and The Plague. All awesome books.

But that's senior level high school. What I remember about school is recess. 10-10:15. 12-1. 2:30-2:45. That's when boys could be boys. Handball, Street hockey, baseball, basketball, Red Rover.

11 year old boys need an outlet for that energy. And that's how they socialize and figure things out.

Schools are obviously very girl-centric these days. It's not a surprise boys are having a hard time.

And it's sad.

They really aren’t. They’ve gotten more “boy centric” than ever. You are ignoring all the other accommodations schools have made to make class more comfortable and accessible to boys, as well as other students who learn differently. Our middle school has a recess where boys can run around, throw footballs, play basketball etc

lol what a load of utter bs.

You’re lying to yourself.

My DD likes a quieter classroom so she can focus, but to accommodate wiggly boys the teachers allow kids to walk around, listen to music quietly, chat with a desk partner. Jokes and goofing around are tolerated. None of that was allowed back in the “good old days” that the PP referenced above. Kids have block schedule so they can do homework during class. They have multiple days to complete homework. In fact, homework has often being entirely discontinued to accommodate (some) boys. Book reports have been changed to video reports to accommodate boys whose interests may be tech based over writing. The crowded halls are filled with boys running, throwing things, swinging their backpacks, hitting each other and so on. Which also wasn’t tolerated in the “good old days.” Boys were expected to contain themselves. I could go on! It’s no wonder colleges are filled with girls. They keep their head down, do their work and pull their share of weight, and beyond.

are you suggesting that boys might do better in school if they were held to the same standards they were 50 years ago? Only a feminist SJW would think something like that /s

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/08/magazine/men-college-enrollment.html

‘There Was Definitely a Thumb on the Scale to Get Boys’
Declining male enrollment has led many colleges to adopt an unofficial policy: affirmative action for men.

According to the article, it's pervasive at the majority of colleges, since most of them wish to be within waving distance of gender parity.

Take-aways:
1. Girls overachieving in school compared to boys (a fact of life since the 1980s) actually hurts them in college admissions, since they need a better application profile to be considered on an equal footing with boys.
2. Colleges try to appeal to boys: one way is to provide more college sports, which then ensures that a significant proportion of boys are recruited athletes, which then has an impact on school culture: academic girls, less-academic boys.
3. Gender imbalance on campus counter-intuitively can trigger a scarcity dating mindset, which means that women may believe they need to accept all sorts of things they might not have accepted had the pool of available dates been larger. On other words, hook-up culture.
4. In the wider world, the implications of fewer men graduating than women is concerning as well: some people are worried about the group of males without college degrees who may be unable to earn enough to support a family, and may not find a wife or have kids, possibly leading to toxic masculinity issues.
5. Finally, the article raises the question of what our broader conversation should be surrounding privilege and who has access to college, if the real beneficiaries of affirmative action are males?

Too bad the SCOTUS said that sort it thing is illegal now

No it hasn’t. SCOTUS ruled on race-based admission, but not gender. Gender discrimination has historically been reviewed under the lesser “intermediate” level, as compared to strict scrutiny for race.

Imagine that. The white powerful men (or justices like Thomas who have to rule in favor of white men since they have bought him off) are fine with affirmative action for men and legacies but not for blacks.

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Anonymous wrote:This is what I did when they threw out the canon the year my son started high school. Instead of “Catcher in the Rye”, they substituted “Aristotle and Dante Discover the Secrets of the Universe,” a queer, coming-of-age novel set in El Paso. They threw out Fitzgerald, Faulkner, Hawthorne and other authors. Then they had trigger warnings in the syllabus. So I ended up hiring a female, Black PhD Literature candidate to tutor my son. She was able to give him the perspective he needed to get good grades on his papers. Best thing I ever did.

Outrageous. Maybe we can all hire our own personal DEI coaches just to be able to function in this postmodern hellscape.

I felt I was beating them at their own game.

Simpler explanation, she knew how to read and write, and actually taught your DC something, but good for him.

Who would you have hired to give him the correct perspective to write well about rich, morally corrupt people from the jazz age; poor Southerners and intellectually disabled people; Puritans and adulterers? (ie., the characters in Fitzgerald, Faulkner, and Hawthorne works). I mean, it seems every bit of lit from the anon asks your child to relate to a group of people far removed from his experience, but you only have issues with queer folks from texas?

Boys do not want to read about whining victims of any kind at all. Boys want to read about overcoming a great challenge - and by great challenge they do NOT mean "someone said something mean that hurt my feelings".

I don't think reading lists are the issue. I recall doing AP English way back when, and for summer reading it was Tess of the D'urbevilles, Wuthering Heights, Emma, and The Plague. All awesome books.

But that's senior level high school. What I remember about school is recess. 10-10:15. 12-1. 2:30-2:45. That's when boys could be boys. Handball, Street hockey, baseball, basketball, Red Rover.

11 year old boys need an outlet for that energy. And that's how they socialize and figure things out.

Schools are obviously very girl-centric these days. It's not a surprise boys are having a hard time.

And it's sad.

They really aren’t. They’ve gotten more “boy centric” than ever. You are ignoring all the other accommodations schools have made to make class more comfortable and accessible to boys, as well as other students who learn differently. Our middle school has a recess where boys can run around, throw footballs, play basketball etc

lol what a load of utter bs.

You’re lying to yourself.

My DD likes a quieter classroom so she can focus, but to accommodate wiggly boys the teachers allow kids to walk around, listen to music quietly, chat with a desk partner. Jokes and goofing around are tolerated. None of that was allowed back in the “good old days” that the PP referenced above. Kids have block schedule so they can do homework during class. They have multiple days to complete homework. In fact, homework has often being entirely discontinued to accommodate (some) boys. Book reports have been changed to video reports to accommodate boys whose interests may be tech based over writing. The crowded halls are filled with boys running, throwing things, swinging their backpacks, hitting each other and so on. Which also wasn’t tolerated in the “good old days.” Boys were expected to contain themselves. I could go on! It’s no wonder colleges are filled with girls. They keep their head down, do their work and pull their share of weight, and beyond.

Your DD is an abject rule-follower (iow, a female) and is stamping her little foot because boys are not abject rule-followers? What a surprise. Who could have predicted that.

"Kids have block schedule so they can do homework during class. They have multiple days to complete homework. In fact, homework has often being entirely discontinued to accommodate (some) boys."

Evidence that any of this was implemented specifically to help boys? And why is there any complaint, given that this should make it even easier for girls to get their work done?

"The crowded halls are filled with boys running, throwing things, swinging their backpacks, hitting each other and so on. "

I've got news for you. This was happening when I was in HS back in the 80s. Lots of roughhousing in the halls between classes. We'd slam each other into lockers and laugh. It was no big deal. Nobody cared. We were not told to "contain ourselves". Boys would get up in the middle of class and walk around and the teacher would just keep talking. None of this stopped boys from doing their work and getting into college.

What my DS says is that in K-6, when all the teachers were female, the teachers favored the girls. In 8-12, when there are more male teachers, at least some of those male teachers are tolerant of boys and don't regard them as hairy girls who misbehave the way female teachers do.

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Anonymous wrote:This is what I did when they threw out the canon the year my son started high school. Instead of “Catcher in the Rye”, they substituted “Aristotle and Dante Discover the Secrets of the Universe,” a queer, coming-of-age novel set in El Paso. They threw out Fitzgerald, Faulkner, Hawthorne and other authors. Then they had trigger warnings in the syllabus. So I ended up hiring a female, Black PhD Literature candidate to tutor my son. She was able to give him the perspective he needed to get good grades on his papers. Best thing I ever did.

Outrageous. Maybe we can all hire our own personal DEI coaches just to be able to function in this postmodern hellscape.

I felt I was beating them at their own game.

Simpler explanation, she knew how to read and write, and actually taught your DC something, but good for him.

Who would you have hired to give him the correct perspective to write well about rich, morally corrupt people from the jazz age; poor Southerners and intellectually disabled people; Puritans and adulterers? (ie., the characters in Fitzgerald, Faulkner, and Hawthorne works). I mean, it seems every bit of lit from the anon asks your child to relate to a group of people far removed from his experience, but you only have issues with queer folks from texas?

Boys do not want to read about whining victims of any kind at all. Boys want to read about overcoming a great challenge - and by great challenge they do NOT mean "someone said something mean that hurt my feelings".

I don't think reading lists are the issue. I recall doing AP English way back when, and for summer reading it was Tess of the D'urbevilles, Wuthering Heights, Emma, and The Plague. All awesome books.

But that's senior level high school. What I remember about school is recess. 10-10:15. 12-1. 2:30-2:45. That's when boys could be boys. Handball, Street hockey, baseball, basketball, Red Rover.

11 year old boys need an outlet for that energy. And that's how they socialize and figure things out.

Schools are obviously very girl-centric these days. It's not a surprise boys are having a hard time.

And it's sad.

They really aren’t. They’ve gotten more “boy centric” than ever. You are ignoring all the other accommodations schools have made to make class more comfortable and accessible to boys, as well as other students who learn differently. Our middle school has a recess where boys can run around, throw footballs, play basketball etc

lol what a load of utter bs.

You’re lying to yourself.

My DD likes a quieter classroom so she can focus, but to accommodate wiggly boys the teachers allow kids to walk around, listen to music quietly, chat with a desk partner. Jokes and goofing around are tolerated. None of that was allowed back in the “good old days” that the PP referenced above. Kids have block schedule so they can do homework during class. They have multiple days to complete homework. In fact, homework has often being entirely discontinued to accommodate (some) boys. Book reports have been changed to video reports to accommodate boys whose interests may be tech based over writing. The crowded halls are filled with boys running, throwing things, swinging their backpacks, hitting each other and so on. Which also wasn’t tolerated in the “good old days.” Boys were expected to contain themselves. I could go on! It’s no wonder colleges are filled with girls. They keep their head down, do their work and pull their share of weight, and beyond.
You sound like the SMOG’s (smug mothers of girls) I had to deal with when my boys were toddlers. “My Janie just sits still and colors while I get all the housework done.” I hope you only have grandsons who stain all your furniture and write on your walls.

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You sound like the SMOG’s (smug mothers of girls) I had to deal with when my boys were toddlers. “My Janie just sits still and colors while I get all the housework done.” I hope you only have grandsons who stain all your furniture and write on your walls.

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Anonymous wrote:You sound like the SMOG’s (smug mothers of girls) I had to deal with when my boys were toddlers. “My Janie just sits still and colors while I get all the housework done.” I hope you only have grandsons who stain all your furniture and write on your walls.

Not smug, just pointing out the obvious.

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Anonymous wrote:This is what I did when they threw out the canon the year my son started high school. Instead of “Catcher in the Rye”, they substituted “Aristotle and Dante Discover the Secrets of the Universe,” a queer, coming-of-age novel set in El Paso. They threw out Fitzgerald, Faulkner, Hawthorne and other authors. Then they had trigger warnings in the syllabus. So I ended up hiring a female, Black PhD Literature candidate to tutor my son. She was able to give him the perspective he needed to get good grades on his papers. Best thing I ever did.

Outrageous. Maybe we can all hire our own personal DEI coaches just to be able to function in this postmodern hellscape.

I felt I was beating them at their own game.

Simpler explanation, she knew how to read and write, and actually taught your DC something, but good for him.

Who would you have hired to give him the correct perspective to write well about rich, morally corrupt people from the jazz age; poor Southerners and intellectually disabled people; Puritans and adulterers? (ie., the characters in Fitzgerald, Faulkner, and Hawthorne works). I mean, it seems every bit of lit from the anon asks your child to relate to a group of people far removed from his experience, but you only have issues with queer folks from texas?

Boys do not want to read about whining victims of any kind at all. Boys want to read about overcoming a great challenge - and by great challenge they do NOT mean "someone said something mean that hurt my feelings".

I don't think reading lists are the issue. I recall doing AP English way back when, and for summer reading it was Tess of the D'urbevilles, Wuthering Heights, Emma, and The Plague. All awesome books.

But that's senior level high school. What I remember about school is recess. 10-10:15. 12-1. 2:30-2:45. That's when boys could be boys. Handball, Street hockey, baseball, basketball, Red Rover.

11 year old boys need an outlet for that energy. And that's how they socialize and figure things out.

Schools are obviously very girl-centric these days. It's not a surprise boys are having a hard time.

And it's sad.

The United States has become a matriarchy. A very anti-male matriarchy.

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Anonymous wrote:This is what I did when they threw out the canon the year my son started high school. Instead of “Catcher in the Rye”, they substituted “Aristotle and Dante Discover the Secrets of the Universe,” a queer, coming-of-age novel set in El Paso. They threw out Fitzgerald, Faulkner, Hawthorne and other authors. Then they had trigger warnings in the syllabus. So I ended up hiring a female, Black PhD Literature candidate to tutor my son. She was able to give him the perspective he needed to get good grades on his papers. Best thing I ever did.

Outrageous. Maybe we can all hire our own personal DEI coaches just to be able to function in this postmodern hellscape.

I felt I was beating them at their own game.

Simpler explanation, she knew how to read and write, and actually taught your DC something, but good for him.

Who would you have hired to give him the correct perspective to write well about rich, morally corrupt people from the jazz age; poor Southerners and intellectually disabled people; Puritans and adulterers? (ie., the characters in Fitzgerald, Faulkner, and Hawthorne works). I mean, it seems every bit of lit from the anon asks your child to relate to a group of people far removed from his experience, but you only have issues with queer folks from texas?

Boys do not want to read about whining victims of any kind at all. Boys want to read about overcoming a great challenge - and by great challenge they do NOT mean "someone said something mean that hurt my feelings".

I don't think reading lists are the issue. I recall doing AP English way back when, and for summer reading it was Tess of the D'urbevilles, Wuthering Heights, Emma, and The Plague. All awesome books.

But that's senior level high school. What I remember about school is recess. 10-10:15. 12-1. 2:30-2:45. That's when boys could be boys. Handball, Street hockey, baseball, basketball, Red Rover.

11 year old boys need an outlet for that energy. And that's how they socialize and figure things out.

Schools are obviously very girl-centric these days. It's not a surprise boys are having a hard time.

And it's sad.

They really aren’t. They’ve gotten more “boy centric” than ever. You are ignoring all the other accommodations schools have made to make class more comfortable and accessible to boys, as well as other students who learn differently. Our middle school has a recess where boys can run around, throw footballs, play basketball etc

lol what a load of utter bs.

You’re lying to yourself.

My DD likes a quieter classroom so she can focus, but to accommodate wiggly boys the teachers allow kids to walk around, listen to music quietly, chat with a desk partner. Jokes and goofing around are tolerated. None of that was allowed back in the “good old days” that the PP referenced above. Kids have block schedule so they can do homework during class. They have multiple days to complete homework. In fact, homework has often being entirely discontinued to accommodate (some) boys. Book reports have been changed to video reports to accommodate boys whose interests may be tech based over writing. The crowded halls are filled with boys running, throwing things, swinging their backpacks, hitting each other and so on. Which also wasn’t tolerated in the “good old days.” Boys were expected to contain themselves. I could go on! It’s no wonder colleges are filled with girls. They keep their head down, do their work and pull their share of weight, and beyond.

Your DD is an abject rule-follower (iow, a female) and is stamping her little foot because boys are not abject rule-followers? What a surprise. Who could have predicted that.

"Kids have block schedule so they can do homework during class. They have multiple days to complete homework. In fact, homework has often being entirely discontinued to accommodate (some) boys."

Evidence that any of this was implemented specifically to help boys? And why is there any complaint, given that this should make it even easier for girls to get their work done?

"The crowded halls are filled with boys running, throwing things, swinging their backpacks, hitting each other and so on. "

I've got news for you. This was happening when I was in HS back in the 80s. Lots of roughhousing in the halls between classes. We'd slam each other into lockers and laugh. It was no big deal. Nobody cared. We were not told to "contain ourselves". Boys would get up in the middle of class and walk around and the teacher would just keep talking. None of this stopped boys from doing their work and getting into college.

What my DS says is that in K-6, when all the teachers were female, the teachers favored the girls. In 8-12, when there are more male teachers, at least some of those male teachers are tolerant of boys and don't regard them as hairy girls who misbehave the way female teachers do.

+1 block scheduling actually seems worse for kids that are more active. Wouldn't it be better to have more breaks/recess to move around, and then HW can be done at home?

This scheduling is for the convenience of overcrowded schools, it's not "for boys." Look at whether all-boy schools follow this model, since they should be very boy-centric.

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Anonymous wrote:^ funny. My son’s 4th grade teacher had a bunch of dramatic and mean girls that were always causing high drama and disruption. She said she loved to see my son at his seat in the back meeting her eyes in a collective eye roll.

That’s impossible. I’ve been told female teachers are bitter and hate boys.

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Anonymous wrote:You sound like the SMOG’s (smug mothers of girls) I had to deal with when my boys were toddlers. “My Janie just sits still and colors while I get all the housework done.” I hope you only have grandsons who stain all your furniture and write on your walls.

You’d do all boys a favor if you’d stop
perpetuating the myth that all boys are wild and out of control. And that girls never are.

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As a man it is harder to get good grades in HS. I was working 20 hours a week, helping dad his business, doing chores I at best had 1-2 hours a week free homework. I briefly did a team. At one point left text books in school and reached commented and I said what is point taking then home of no time to study

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Anonymous wrote:^ funny. My son’s 4th grade teacher had a bunch of dramatic and mean girls that were always causing high drama and disruption. She said she loved to see my son at his seat in the back meeting her eyes in a collective eye roll.

That’s impossible. I’ve been told female teachers are bitter and hate boys.

Teachers loved my two boys. They were taught manners and to be respectful. They paid attention and were kind to classmates. Every parent teacher conference was a glowing review throughout their school years.

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Anonymous wrote:As a man it is harder to get good grades in HS. I was working 20 hours a week, helping dad his business, doing chores I at best had 1-2 hours a week free homework. I briefly did a team. At one point left text books in school and reached commented and I said what is point taking then home of no time to study

It can certainly be tough to go to HS and work, but boys aren't more likely to be employed while they're in school than girls. They're actually less likely: https://www.statista.com/statistics/477679/percentage-of-youth-who-are-enrolled-in-school-and-working-in-the-us-by-gender/

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Anonymous wrote:You sound like the SMOG’s (smug mothers of girls) I had to deal with when my boys were toddlers. “My Janie just sits still and colors while I get all the housework done.” I hope you only have grandsons who stain all your furniture and write on your walls.

I had an extremely hyperactive girl, who struggled a lot in school. One teachers said she was “two little boys.” We worked very hard to teach her impulse control without crushing her independence, and made sure she had time and space run around and blow off energy besides in her classes. After years of exhausting work, she now has good manners, is now an excellent student, a creative spirit and continues very active. So I’m hardly a SMOG. It it just be social pressures to conform to gender roles that helped us to set high expectations for her behavior. I acknowledge that it could be harder for many boys, I think that boys and girls should both be expected to learn self control and develop good manners, even though it is much harder for some. It will benefit them. Whining about women teachers is unmanly. They should learn more at home.