If God was Jewish and Jesus Was Catholic who made up these other religions?

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Anonymous wrote:"The Gods of the nations are demons." Psalm 96:5. Any "god" that isn't the God of Abraham is a demon.

the KJV has it: "“For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the LORD made the heavens.”
Nevertheless, since it was written by David, probably around 1,000 b.c. it does answer part of OP's question. Obviously there were many gods around at the time.

Where did they all go?

If they were idols, as David wrote, they probably are lost to time or are in museums?

David claimed the gods of many nations were idols. That's an aspersion, like in politics where you don't let your opponent define you. It doesn't mean these many gods were just idols. And what's with some Catholics, as one example, praying to statues of the virgin Mary? Same thing

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Anonymous wrote:"The Gods of the nations are demons." Psalm 96:5. Any "god" that isn't the God of Abraham is a demon.

the KJV has it: "“For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the LORD made the heavens.”
Nevertheless, since it was written by David, probably around 1,000 b.c. it does answer part of OP's question. Obviously there were many gods around at the time.

Where did they all go?

Palm Beach?

While your response made me smile (thanks), I was genuinely asking with serious intent.

You can Google this, but Baal is still worshipped in some places.

I didn’t ask where the worshipers went. I asked where the gods went.

??? Baal is a god. As the post indicates, it is still around in some places.

So where is Baal then? The actual Baal.

Where is any deity. The actual deity?

Inside of you. All gods are in you.

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Anonymous wrote:"The Gods of the nations are demons." Psalm 96:5. Any "god" that isn't the God of Abraham is a demon.

the KJV has it: "“For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the LORD made the heavens.”
Nevertheless, since it was written by David, probably around 1,000 b.c. it does answer part of OP's question. Obviously there were many gods around at the time.

Where did they all go?

Palm Beach?

While your response made me smile (thanks), I was genuinely asking with serious intent.

You can Google this, but Baal is still worshipped in some places.

I didn’t ask where the worshipers went. I asked where the gods went.

??? Baal is a god. As the post indicates, it is still around in some places.

So where is Baal then? The actual Baal.

If you google you can find statues of Baal that are in museums now.

[Anonymous]

I would imagine prior to Jesus the only restaurants were Jewish Dellis and Bagel places

I love a pastrami on rye, Matzo Ball soup but but must have been weird if everyone Jewish only Jewish food.

Adam and Eve loved Brisket, Egg Creams, Bagels.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:God created Earth. He was Jewish.

His son Jesus acted up and sent his 12 Apostles out to start Catholic Church.

But what’s up with all the other religions? Did people just make them up and folks blindly followed?

Jesus wasn’t Catholic. His mother was Jewish so therefore he was as well.

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Anonymous wrote:"The Gods of the nations are demons." Psalm 96:5. Any "god" that isn't the God of Abraham is a demon.

the KJV has it: "“For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the LORD made the heavens.”
Nevertheless, since it was written by David, probably around 1,000 b.c. it does answer part of OP's question. Obviously there were many gods around at the time.

Where did they all go?

Palm Beach?

While your response made me smile (thanks), I was genuinely asking with serious intent.

You can Google this, but Baal is still worshipped in some places.

I didn’t ask where the worshipers went. I asked where the gods went.

??? Baal is a god. As the post indicates, it is still around in some places.

So where is Baal then? The actual Baal.

If you google you can find statues of Baal that are in museums now.

How many times do I have to explain? Not asking about statues or worshippers.

Where is Baal himself? Now.

[Anonymous]

I’d like to know what happened to the Olympians. Where did they go? Was it like the movies?

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Anonymous wrote:I’d like to know what happened to the Olympians. Where did they go? Was it like the movies?

When Greece fell, many of them were adapted in part into the Roman pantheon of gods. And just to show how capricious this whole process can be, Caesar was deemed divine also. The Senate said so. Kinda like the vote at the Council of Nicaea that determined the nature of Jesus.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d like to know what happened to the Olympians. Where did they go? Was it like the movies?

When Greece fell, many of them were adapted in part into the Roman pantheon of gods. And just to show how capricious this whole process can be, Caesar was deemed divine also. The Senate said so. Kinda like the vote at the Council of Nicaea that determined the nature of Jesus.

But then where did the Roman gods go? Did they go back to greece? Did Greeks cease worshiping their gods and then worship the Roman ones? Did the Roman ones also live on Olympus?

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Anonymous wrote:God created Earth. He was Jewish.

His son Jesus acted up and sent his 12 Apostles out to start Catholic Church.

But what’s up with all the other religions? Did people just make them up and folks blindly followed?

God wasn't Jewish. He formed a covenant with Abraham and some of his progeny, but lot's of other peoples around at that time had their own gods.
And yes, almost certainly "people [did] just make up [these other religions.]"
Most religions pre-dating Judaism were polytheistic

There is a good argument that Judaism was polytheistic prior to the Babylonian Captivity and the writing of the Torah.

Good evidence that the ancestors of the Jews were polytheistic? Or good evidence that there lol were polytheists who identified themselves as Jewish? I am skeptical about the latter.

I can read Biblical Hebrew, and Aramaic pretty because I attended Orthodox religious schools before becoming secular, and that background let me take some grad-level classes on the history of the Hebrew Bible as an undergraduate. My recollection is that there are very many references to multiple gods. For starters, the Hebrew Bible mostly references “Elohim” which is literally “gods”. Also, the very word for God in Hebrew (“el”) is the name of a Canaanite god, and the Hebrew Bible consistently refers to both “el/Elohim” (“god”) vs the god of Moses (YHVH, usually translated as “the Lord”). Then there are references to the goddess Asherah (אֲשֵׁרָה), a word the religious will tell you refers to “poles” in the Hebrew Bible and not the goddess, despite that being the meaning in every other Semitic language and dialect.

There is also the fact that the psalms are full of praise for “El ‘elyon” (God most high)… which happens to be the name of the chief Ugarittic god, and the phrase is used explicitly to refer to that god in Genesis.

Then, of course, there are the demigods in Genesis 6:1-2 (בני האלהים).

There are dozens of similar examples, and my impression is that it’s pretty broadly accepted in academic biblical archaeology that monotheism didn’t among Israelites until post-Babylonian exile.

Angels are pretty non-controversial in Judaism. So what does "monotheistic" mean, specifically?


"I am the Lord your God. The Lord is One. You shall have no other gods before me" means that one God is in charge, not that only one god exists.

Not sure what the bolder is meant to convey. From what I recall, traditional sources (i.e. the mikraot g’dolot) don’t equate the b’ne Elohim with angels but rather with powerful humans. I think Kabbalah gets into Angels, but they are not nearly as big in Judaism as in Christianity.

If you look at the passage you quoted in Hebrew, it’s “ani Adonai (YHVH) elohekha…”, right? So it’s part of the Yahwist tradition that’s at odds with earlier non-YHVH texts.

The point is that it’s clear that worship of a variety of gods and goddesses was widespread and not considered heterodox in pre-Babylonian-exile Israel. These older texts were kept and fairly unevenly blended with Yahwist texts when the Hebrew Bible was compiled, which is why it’s such a mishmash (e.g. Genesis chapters 1 and 2 with two conflicting versions of creation).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:God created Earth. He was Jewish.

His son Jesus acted up and sent his 12 Apostles out to start Catholic Church.

But what’s up with all the other religions? Did people just make them up and folks blindly followed?

God wasn't Jewish. He formed a covenant with Abraham and some of his progeny, but lot's of other peoples around at that time had their own gods.
And yes, almost certainly "people [did] just make up [these other religions.]"
Most religions pre-dating Judaism were polytheistic

There is a good argument that Judaism was polytheistic prior to the Babylonian Captivity and the writing of the Torah.

Good evidence that the ancestors of the Jews were polytheistic? Or good evidence that there lol were polytheists who identified themselves as Jewish? I am skeptical about the latter.

I can read Biblical Hebrew, and Aramaic pretty because I attended Orthodox religious schools before becoming secular, and that background let me take some grad-level classes on the history of the Hebrew Bible as an undergraduate. My recollection is that there are very many references to multiple gods. For starters, the Hebrew Bible mostly references “Elohim” which is literally “gods”. Also, the very word for God in Hebrew (“el”) is the name of a Canaanite god, and the Hebrew Bible consistently refers to both “el/Elohim” (“god”) vs the god of Moses (YHVH, usually translated as “the Lord”). Then there are references to the goddess Asherah (אֲשֵׁרָה), a word the religious will tell you refers to “poles” in the Hebrew Bible and not the goddess, despite that being the meaning in every other Semitic language and dialect.

There is also the fact that the psalms are full of praise for “El ‘elyon” (God most high)… which happens to be the name of the chief Ugarittic god, and the phrase is used explicitly to refer to that god in Genesis.

Then, of course, there are the demigods in Genesis 6:1-2 (בני האלהים).

There are dozens of similar examples, and my impression is that it’s pretty broadly accepted in academic biblical archaeology that monotheism didn’t among Israelites until post-Babylonian exile.

You copy from Wikipedia well.

Actually, Wikipedia —- like most writing about this topic — probably cites my Biblical Archaeology and Israelite History profs, but thanks for playing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:God created Earth. He was Jewish.

His son Jesus acted up and sent his 12 Apostles out to start Catholic Church.

But what’s up with all the other religions? Did people just make them up and folks blindly followed?

God wasn't Jewish. He formed a covenant with Abraham and some of his progeny, but lot's of other peoples around at that time had their own gods.
And yes, almost certainly "people [did] just make up [these other religions.]"
Most religions pre-dating Judaism were polytheistic

There is a good argument that Judaism was polytheistic prior to the Babylonian Captivity and the writing of the Torah.

Good evidence that the ancestors of the Jews were polytheistic? Or good evidence that there lol were polytheists who identified themselves as Jewish? I am skeptical about the latter.

I can read Biblical Hebrew, and Aramaic pretty because I attended Orthodox religious schools before becoming secular, and that background let me take some grad-level classes on the history of the Hebrew Bible as an undergraduate. My recollection is that there are very many references to multiple gods. For starters, the Hebrew Bible mostly references “Elohim” which is literally “gods”. Also, the very word for God in Hebrew (“el”) is the name of a Canaanite god, and the Hebrew Bible consistently refers to both “el/Elohim” (“god”) vs the god of Moses (YHVH, usually translated as “the Lord”). Then there are references to the goddess Asherah (אֲשֵׁרָה), a word the religious will tell you refers to “poles” in the Hebrew Bible and not the goddess, despite that being the meaning in every other Semitic language and dialect.

There is also the fact that the psalms are full of praise for “El ‘elyon” (God most high)… which happens to be the name of the chief Ugarittic god, and the phrase is used explicitly to refer to that god in Genesis.

Then, of course, there are the demigods in Genesis 6:1-2 (בני האלהים).

There are dozens of similar examples, and my impression is that it’s pretty broadly accepted in academic biblical archaeology that monotheism didn’t among Israelites until post-Babylonian exile.

Angels are pretty non-controversial in Judaism. So what does "monotheistic" mean, specifically?


"I am the Lord your God. The Lord is One. You shall have no other gods before me" means that one God is in charge, not that only one god exists.

Not sure what the bolder is meant to convey. From what I recall, traditional sources (i.e. the mikraot g’dolot) don’t equate the b’ne Elohim with angels but rather with powerful humans. I think Kabbalah gets into Angels, but they are not nearly as big in Judaism as in Christianity.

If you look at the passage you quoted in Hebrew, it’s “ani Adonai (YHVH) elohekha…”, right? So it’s part of the Yahwist tradition that’s at odds with earlier non-YHVH texts.

The point is that it’s clear that worship of a variety of gods and goddesses was widespread and not considered heterodox in pre-Babylonian-exile Israel. These older texts were kept and fairly unevenly blended with Yahwist texts when the Hebrew Bible was compiled, which is why it’s such a mishmash (e.g. Genesis chapters 1 and 2 with two conflicting versions of creation).

I'm sure that's all true, but the question from this thread I think is why did one particular version of God win out?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"The Gods of the nations are demons." Psalm 96:5. Any "god" that isn't the God of Abraham is a demon.

the KJV has it: "“For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the LORD made the heavens.”
Nevertheless, since it was written by David, probably around 1,000 b.c. it does answer part of OP's question. Obviously there were many gods around at the time.

Where did they all go?

Palm Beach?

While your response made me smile (thanks), I was genuinely asking with serious intent.

You can Google this, but Baal is still worshipped in some places.

I didn’t ask where the worshipers went. I asked where the gods went.

??? Baal is a god. As the post indicates, it is still around in some places.

So where is Baal then? The actual Baal.

If you google you can find statues of Baal that are in museums now.

How many times do I have to explain? Not asking about statues or worshippers.

Where is Baal himself? Now.

That was me. Yes, we get this is yet another incarnation of your perennial attempt at a gotcha around why somebody believes in one god and not another.

Nobody is playing, you just aren’t smart enough to notice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:God created Earth. He was Jewish.

His son Jesus acted up and sent his 12 Apostles out to start Catholic Church.

But what’s up with all the other religions? Did people just make them up and folks blindly followed?

God wasn't Jewish. He formed a covenant with Abraham and some of his progeny, but lot's of other peoples around at that time had their own gods.
And yes, almost certainly "people [did] just make up [these other religions.]"
Most religions pre-dating Judaism were polytheistic

There is a good argument that Judaism was polytheistic prior to the Babylonian Captivity and the writing of the Torah.

Good evidence that the ancestors of the Jews were polytheistic? Or good evidence that there lol were polytheists who identified themselves as Jewish? I am skeptical about the latter.

I can read Biblical Hebrew, and Aramaic pretty because I attended Orthodox religious schools before becoming secular, and that background let me take some grad-level classes on the history of the Hebrew Bible as an undergraduate. My recollection is that there are very many references to multiple gods. For starters, the Hebrew Bible mostly references “Elohim” which is literally “gods”. Also, the very word for God in Hebrew (“el”) is the name of a Canaanite god, and the Hebrew Bible consistently refers to both “el/Elohim” (“god”) vs the god of Moses (YHVH, usually translated as “the Lord”). Then there are references to the goddess Asherah (אֲשֵׁרָה), a word the religious will tell you refers to “poles” in the Hebrew Bible and not the goddess, despite that being the meaning in every other Semitic language and dialect.

There is also the fact that the psalms are full of praise for “El ‘elyon” (God most high)… which happens to be the name of the chief Ugarittic god, and the phrase is used explicitly to refer to that god in Genesis.

Then, of course, there are the demigods in Genesis 6:1-2 (בני האלהים).

There are dozens of similar examples, and my impression is that it’s pretty broadly accepted in academic biblical archaeology that monotheism didn’t among Israelites until post-Babylonian exile.

You copy from Wikipedia well.

Actually, Wikipedia —- like most writing about this topic — probably cites my Biblical Archaeology and Israelite History profs, but thanks for playing.

LMAO!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:God created Earth. He was Jewish.

His son Jesus acted up and sent his 12 Apostles out to start Catholic Church.

But what’s up with all the other religions? Did people just make them up and folks blindly followed?

God wasn't Jewish. He formed a covenant with Abraham and some of his progeny, but lot's of other peoples around at that time had their own gods.
And yes, almost certainly "people [did] just make up [these other religions.]"
Most religions pre-dating Judaism were polytheistic

There is a good argument that Judaism was polytheistic prior to the Babylonian Captivity and the writing of the Torah.

Good evidence that the ancestors of the Jews were polytheistic? Or good evidence that there lol were polytheists who identified themselves as Jewish? I am skeptical about the latter.

I can read Biblical Hebrew, and Aramaic pretty because I attended Orthodox religious schools before becoming secular, and that background let me take some grad-level classes on the history of the Hebrew Bible as an undergraduate. My recollection is that there are very many references to multiple gods. For starters, the Hebrew Bible mostly references “Elohim” which is literally “gods”. Also, the very word for God in Hebrew (“el”) is the name of a Canaanite god, and the Hebrew Bible consistently refers to both “el/Elohim” (“god”) vs the god of Moses (YHVH, usually translated as “the Lord”). Then there are references to the goddess Asherah (אֲשֵׁרָה), a word the religious will tell you refers to “poles” in the Hebrew Bible and not the goddess, despite that being the meaning in every other Semitic language and dialect.

There is also the fact that the psalms are full of praise for “El ‘elyon” (God most high)… which happens to be the name of the chief Ugarittic god, and the phrase is used explicitly to refer to that god in Genesis.

Then, of course, there are the demigods in Genesis 6:1-2 (בני האלהים).

There are dozens of similar examples, and my impression is that it’s pretty broadly accepted in academic biblical archaeology that monotheism didn’t among Israelites until post-Babylonian exile.

Angels are pretty non-controversial in Judaism. So what does "monotheistic" mean, specifically?


"I am the Lord your God. The Lord is One. You shall have no other gods before me" means that one God is in charge, not that only one god exists.

Not sure what the bolder is meant to convey. From what I recall, traditional sources (i.e. the mikraot g’dolot) don’t equate the b’ne Elohim with angels but rather with powerful humans. I think Kabbalah gets into Angels, but they are not nearly as big in Judaism as in Christianity.

If you look at the passage you quoted in Hebrew, it’s “ani Adonai (YHVH) elohekha…”, right? So it’s part of the Yahwist tradition that’s at odds with earlier non-YHVH texts.

The point is that it’s clear that worship of a variety of gods and goddesses was widespread and not considered heterodox in pre-Babylonian-exile Israel. These older texts were kept and fairly unevenly blended with Yahwist texts when the Hebrew Bible was compiled, which is why it’s such a mishmash (e.g. Genesis chapters 1 and 2 with two conflicting versions of creation).

I'm sure that's all true, but the question from this thread I think is why did one particular version of God win out?

Guns, Germs, and Steel.