Rich Men North of Richmond

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Anonymous wrote:Oh please. You people. This song SCARES you? There is no call to arms, no violence discussed, even obliquely.

Meanwhile, let's look at the #1 streamed rap song this week. And I'm a fan of rap, which is how I instantly knew to do some literary
comparison.

Fukumean, by Gunna, is #1. Here's a brief excerpt, which I am forced to make redactions so that it isn't blocked immediately by the filters:

[Verse]
F-- you mean?
Young Gunna Wunna, they workin' my nerves
I'm about to pour up some syrup
F-- this b-- like a perv'
Smack from the back, grab her perm
Ice, the berg, uh, shi--' on all you lil' turds
Can't take that d!ck, wait your turn
In my own lane, we can't merge
Suck with no hands, you can learn
Let's see how much you can earn



This is the top one on SoundCloud right now. Now, imagine if a country singer were to produce something analogous.

I could easily go out and find a rap song glorifying violence or with an anti-government bent. I run listening to rap and can vouch that it's themes are not exactly a monument to progressive values.

When I hear all this anger about country music, I can't help but think that you really just dislike the audience, and the audience makes you afraid, and you need to try to justify it by pretending that song about working class woes is a coded call to arms. It's art. Relax.

OP here. I love country music. I’m also white male and moderately conservative. Most people would think these are my people.

I’m telling you this was different.

Please highlight the lyrics that scared you.

You are completely missing op’s point.

I'm not. If you're going to say lyrics incite violence, you need to be specific, like the Fulton County DA was in her 65 count indictment against Young Thug and his criminal street gang. She specifically cited lyrics in his music to establish that he has admitted to directing his gang to kill people. You may remember Young Thug for his debut Album reaching #1 on the rap Billboard, he's a pretty visible figure in hip hop. He's also pretty influential in ATL gang culture and is currently on trial on charges including RICO, murder, armed robbery, and armed assault.

So, back to how scary this guy with beef against rich people is. Specifically, what scared you in his lyrics? Or am I right that you dislike the audience?

I’m not the op. You are taking the post too literally. Op is sounding an alarm, letting us know that something is afoot. That’s what their takeaway was from the experience. They’re not trying to make a case and they don’t have to defend themselves.

They’re giving you a heads up. You can listen or not. Your choice.

Or we can be critical thinkers. There's that option, too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh please. You people. This song SCARES you? There is no call to arms, no violence discussed, even obliquely.

Meanwhile, let's look at the #1 streamed rap song this week. And I'm a fan of rap, which is how I instantly knew to do some literary comparison.

Fukumean, by Gunna, is #1. Here's a brief excerpt, which I am forced to make redactions so that it isn't blocked immediately by the filters:

[Verse]
F-- you mean?
Young Gunna Wunna, they workin' my nerves
I'm about to pour up some syrup
F-- this b-- like a perv'
Smack from the back, grab her perm
Ice, the berg, uh, shi--' on all you lil' turds
Can't take that d!ck, wait your turn
In my own lane, we can't merge
Suck with no hands, you can learn
Let's see how much you can earn



This is the top one on SoundCloud right now. Now, imagine if a country singer were to produce something analogous.

I could easily go out and find a rap song glorifying violence or with an anti-government bent. I run listening to rap and can vouch that it's themes are not exactly a monument to progressive values.

When I hear all this anger about country music, I can't help but think that you really just dislike the audience, and the audience makes you afraid, and you need to try to justify it by pretending that song about working class woes is a coded call to arms. It's art. Relax.

Best post in the thread.

+1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh please. You people. This song SCARES you? There is no call to arms, no violence discussed, even obliquely.

Meanwhile, let's look at the #1 streamed rap song this week. And I'm a fan of rap, which is how I instantly knew to do some literary
comparison.

Fukumean, by Gunna, is #1. Here's a brief excerpt, which I am forced to make redactions so that it isn't blocked immediately by the filters:

[Verse]
F-- you mean?
Young Gunna Wunna, they workin' my nerves
I'm about to pour up some syrup
F-- this b-- like a perv'
Smack from the back, grab her perm
Ice, the berg, uh, shi--' on all you lil' turds
Can't take that d!ck, wait your turn
In my own lane, we can't merge
Suck with no hands, you can learn
Let's see how much you can earn



This is the top one on SoundCloud right now. Now, imagine if a country singer were to produce something analogous.

I could easily go out and find a rap song glorifying violence or with an anti-government bent. I run listening to rap and can vouch that it's themes are not exactly a monument to progressive values.

When I hear all this anger about country music, I can't help but think that you really just dislike the audience, and the audience makes you afraid, and you need to try to justify it by pretending that song about working class woes is a coded call to arms. It's art. Relax.

OP here. I love country music. I’m also white male and moderately conservative. Most people would think these are my people.

I’m telling you this was different.

Please highlight the lyrics that scared you.

You are completely missing op’s point.

I'm not. If you're going to say lyrics incite violence, you need to be specific, like the Fulton County DA was in her 65 count indictment against Young Thug and his criminal street gang. She specifically cited lyrics in his music to establish that he has admitted to directing his gang to kill people. You may remember Young Thug for his debut Album reaching #1 on the rap Billboard, he's a pretty visible figure in hip hop. He's also pretty influential in ATL gang culture and is currently on trial on charges including RICO, murder, armed robbery, and armed assault.

So, back to how scary this guy with beef against rich people is. Specifically, what scared you in his lyrics? Or am I right that you dislike the audience?

I’m not the op. You are taking the post too literally. Op is sounding an alarm, letting us know that something is afoot. That’s what their takeaway was from the experience. They’re not trying to make a case and they don’t have to defend themselves.

They’re giving you a heads up. You can listen or not. Your choice.

Or we can be critical thinkers. There's that option, too.

Can you expand on what you mean by that?

[Anonymous]

Lol. Left wing people freaking out that the real working ordinary people aren't left wing. They justify and turn a blind eye to BLM thuggery and criminality and antifa violence but when populist conservatives dare point out the corruption of modern politics and the pervasive classist elitism of the Demorats, the response is to freak out and worry about revolutions. I'm fascinated by the ironies of our times.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh please. You people. This song SCARES you? There is no call to arms, no violence discussed, even obliquely.

Meanwhile, let's look at the #1 streamed rap song this week. And I'm a fan of rap, which is how I instantly knew to do some literary
comparison.

Fukumean, by Gunna, is #1. Here's a brief excerpt, which I am forced to make redactions so that it isn't blocked immediately by the filters:

[Verse]
F-- you mean?
Young Gunna Wunna, they workin' my nerves
I'm about to pour up some syrup
F-- this b-- like a perv'
Smack from the back, grab her perm
Ice, the berg, uh, shi--' on all you lil' turds
Can't take that d!ck, wait your turn
In my own lane, we can't merge
Suck with no hands, you can learn
Let's see how much you can earn



This is the top one on SoundCloud right now. Now, imagine if a country singer were to produce something analogous.

I could easily go out and find a rap song glorifying violence or with an anti-government bent. I run listening to rap and can vouch that it's themes are not exactly a monument to progressive values.

When I hear all this anger about country music, I can't help but think that you really just dislike the audience, and the audience makes you afraid, and you need to try to justify it by pretending that song about working class woes is a coded call to arms. It's art. Relax.

OP here. I love country music. I’m also white male and moderately conservative. Most people would think these are my people.

I’m telling you this was different.

Please highlight the lyrics that scared you.

You are completely missing op’s point.

I'm not. If you're going to say lyrics incite violence, you need to be specific, like the Fulton County DA was in her 65 count indictment against Young Thug and his criminal street gang. She specifically cited lyrics in his music to establish that he has admitted to directing his gang to kill people. You may remember Young Thug for his debut Album reaching #1 on the rap Billboard, he's a pretty visible figure in hip hop. He's also pretty influential in ATL gang culture and is currently on trial on charges including RICO, murder, armed robbery, and armed assault.

So, back to how scary this guy with beef against rich people is. Specifically, what scared you in his lyrics? Or am I right that you dislike the audience?

I’m not the op. You are taking the post too literally. Op is sounding an alarm, letting us know that something is afoot. That’s what their takeaway was from the experience. They’re not trying to make a case and they don’t have to defend themselves.

They’re giving you a heads up. You can listen or not. Your choice.

Or we can be critical thinkers. There's that option, too.

Can you expand on what you mean by that?

You said that OP sounded an alarm and I can listen or not. I'm saying that we neither have to, nor should, accept as fact everything we read. We should evaluate the information, assess it in context, make comparisons (whataboutism is a critical skill that you hone with a liberal arts education, actually) and determine if you should accept the information as valid.

I don't accept the OP's premise that a revolution is brewing because someone sang a song that says that being working class is hard and they feel misunderstood by rich people in DC. I think that is silly, especially when put in the wider context of popular music lyrics. As for the behavior of the audience, it's hard to get too worked up about an audience chanting when not too long ago, an audience actually killed 10 people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lol. Left wing people freaking out that the real working ordinary people aren't left wing. They justify and turn a blind eye to BLM thuggery and criminality and antifa violence but when populist conservatives dare point out the corruption of modern politics and the pervasive classist elitism of the Demorats, the response is to freak out and worry about revolutions. I'm fascinated by the ironies of our times.

I actually think worrying about a revolution is pretty reasonable. Unfortunately the democrats haven’t shown much interest in helping the working class at this point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh please. You people. This song SCARES you? There is no call to arms, no violence discussed, even obliquely.

Meanwhile, let's look at the #1 streamed rap song this week. And I'm a fan of rap, which is how I instantly knew to do some literary
comparison.

Fukumean, by Gunna, is #1. Here's a brief excerpt, which I am forced to make redactions so that it isn't blocked immediately by the filters:

[Verse]
F-- you mean?
Young Gunna Wunna, they workin' my nerves
I'm about to pour up some syrup
F-- this b-- like a perv'
Smack from the back, grab her perm
Ice, the berg, uh, shi--' on all you lil' turds
Can't take that d!ck, wait your turn
In my own lane, we can't merge
Suck with no hands, you can learn
Let's see how much you can earn



This is the top one on SoundCloud right now. Now, imagine if a country singer were to produce something analogous.

I could easily go out and find a rap song glorifying violence or with an anti-government bent. I run listening to rap and can vouch that it's themes are not exactly a monument to progressive values.

When I hear all this anger about country music, I can't help but think that you really just dislike the audience, and the audience makes you afraid, and you need to try to justify it by pretending that song about working class woes is a coded call to arms. It's art. Relax.

OP here. I love country music. I’m also white male and moderately conservative. Most people would think these are my people.

I’m telling you this was different.

Please highlight the lyrics that scared you.

You are completely missing op’s point.

I'm not. If you're going to say lyrics incite violence, you need to be specific, like the Fulton County DA was in her 65 count indictment against Young Thug and his criminal street gang. She specifically cited lyrics in his music to establish that he has admitted to directing his gang to kill people. You may remember Young Thug for his debut Album reaching #1 on the rap Billboard, he's a pretty visible figure in hip hop. He's also pretty influential in ATL gang culture and is currently on trial on charges including RICO, murder, armed robbery, and armed assault.

So, back to how scary this guy with beef against rich people is. Specifically, what scared you in his lyrics? Or am I right that you dislike the audience?

I’m not the op. You are taking the post too literally. Op is sounding an alarm, letting us know that something is afoot. That’s what their takeaway was from the experience. They’re not trying to make a case and they don’t have to defend themselves.

They’re giving you a heads up. You can listen or not. Your choice.

Or we can be critical thinkers. There's that option, too.

Can you expand on what you mean by that?

You said that OP sounded an alarm and I can listen or not. I'm saying that we neither have to, nor should, accept as fact everything we read. We should evaluate the information, assess it in context, make comparisons (whataboutism is a critical skill that you hone with a liberal arts education, actually) and determine if you should accept the information as valid.

I don't accept the OP's premise that a revolution is brewing because someone sang a song that says that being working class is hard and they feel misunderstood by rich people in DC. I think that is silly, especially when put in the wider context of popular music lyrics. As for the behavior of the audience, it's hard to get too worked up about an audience chanting when not too long ago, an audience actually killed 10 people.

This is where I think you’re making a mistake. You’re looking at this in the narrow context of a musical performance, and missing the fact that the reaction to this song is just the tip of the iceberg.

Deaths by suicide are at record levels. As are overdoses. Most families have to have two working parents to afford a home and get by. People are overworked and tired. One emergency away from losing everything. Our social safety net is thin and breaking.

You describe this as “silly”, but these are people’s lives. Outside of the dc bubble and the laptop classes, things are not going well. People in power need to recognize that.

[Anonymous]

Hmm this thread shows a fear of poor people. Liberals are frightened by white poor people and conservatives black poor people. But both parties are ok with the poor brown people because they work for you.

Everyone on this thread is sad.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh please. You people. This song SCARES you? There is no call to arms, no violence discussed, even obliquely.

Meanwhile, let's look at the #1 streamed rap song this week. And I'm a fan of rap, which is how I instantly knew to do some literary
comparison.

Fukumean, by Gunna, is #1. Here's a brief excerpt, which I am forced to make redactions so that it isn't blocked immediately by the filters:

[Verse]
F-- you mean?
Young Gunna Wunna, they workin' my nerves
I'm about to pour up some syrup
F-- this b-- like a perv'
Smack from the back, grab her perm
Ice, the berg, uh, shi--' on all you lil' turds
Can't take that d!ck, wait your turn
In my own lane, we can't merge
Suck with no hands, you can learn
Let's see how much you can earn



This is the top one on SoundCloud right now. Now, imagine if a country singer were to produce something analogous.

I could easily go out and find a rap song glorifying violence or with an anti-government bent. I run listening to rap and can vouch that it's themes are not exactly a monument to progressive values.

When I hear all this anger about country music, I can't help but think that you really just dislike the audience, and the audience makes you afraid, and you need to try to justify it by pretending that song about working class woes is a coded call to arms. It's art. Relax.

OP here. I love country music. I’m also white male and moderately conservative. Most people would think these are my people.

I’m telling you this was different.

Please highlight the lyrics that scared you.

You are completely missing op’s point.

I'm not. If you're going to say lyrics incite violence, you need to be specific, like the Fulton County DA was in her 65 count indictment against Young Thug and his criminal street gang. She specifically cited lyrics in his music to establish that he has admitted to directing his gang to kill people. You may remember Young Thug for his debut Album reaching #1 on the rap Billboard, he's a pretty visible figure in hip hop. He's also pretty influential in ATL gang culture and is currently on trial on charges including RICO, murder, armed robbery, and armed assault.

So, back to how scary this guy with beef against rich people is. Specifically, what scared you in his lyrics? Or am I right that you dislike the audience?

I’m not the op. You are taking the post too literally. Op is sounding an alarm, letting us know that something is afoot. That’s what their takeaway was from the experience. They’re not trying to make a case and they don’t have to defend themselves.

They’re giving you a heads up. You can listen or not. Your choice.

Or we can be critical thinkers. There's that option, too.

Can you expand on what you mean by that?

You said that OP sounded an alarm and I can listen or not. I'm saying that we neither have to, nor should, accept as fact everything we read. We should evaluate the information, assess it in context, make comparisons (whataboutism is a critical skill that you hone with a liberal arts education, actually) and determine if you should accept the information as valid.

I don't accept the OP's premise that a revolution is brewing because someone sang a song that says that being working class is hard and they feel misunderstood by rich people in DC. I think that is silly, especially when put in the wider context of popular music lyrics. As for the behavior of the audience, it's hard to get too worked up about an audience chanting when not too long ago, an audience actually killed 10 people.

This is where I think you’re making a mistake. You’re looking at this in the narrow context of a musical performance, and missing the fact that the reaction to this song is just the tip of the iceberg.

Deaths by suicide are at record levels. As are overdoses. Most families have to have two working parents to afford a home and get by. People are overworked and tired. One emergency away from losing everything. Our social safety net is thin and breaking.

You describe this as “silly”, but these are people’s lives. Outside of the dc bubble and the laptop classes, things are not going well. People in power need to recognize that.

I believe that we are doing very poorly at unifying the nation and providing an opportunity for all to succeed. I don't believe that country music stars are the problem, though. It's common for authoritarian societies to attack artists, musicians, and academics who are critical of the regime, and it's important to treat political attacks on artists with suspicion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s “scary” because he’s been brainwashed into thinking that taxes and government what’s hurting him. The LACK of government programs FOR HIM is what’s hurting him. The people who avoid taxes, such as industrial farm conglomerates aided and abetted by bought and paid for congressmen are what’s hurting him.

And the welfare dig sounds like a dog whistle to me.

You are part of the problem, frankly. He doesn't need nor does he want government programs. He wants to be left alone by the government. As do many of us.
He is complaining about the WAY our tax dollars are being spent. No accountability for welfare. Our youth are dying from fentanyl and little to no effort to stop the drugs from coming to our country. Our hard earned money going to foreign countries in the BILLIONS, if not TRILLIONS, and we have people here who have no homes and no food.

He's not been "brainwashed" at all. He has lived it. He has seen the waste of tax money. He speaks for millions.

No? He doesn't want roads, schools, a police force, fire and emergency response services, law enforcement, workplace safety regulations, consumer protection, safe and effective medications, unadulterated food, disaster relief, insurance from bank failure, or Social Security and Medicare for his elderly relatives? Because most people actually do want those things.

We can have roads and disaster relief etc without sending billions to Ukraine, every other country, and paying to house illegal immigrants in hotels and give them free healthcare when they aren’t even citizens of this country.

All the aid to Ukraine and immigrants doesn't add up to jack sh*t on our Federal budget. We spent Trillions helping people during the pandemic. Trillions. Aid to Ukraine $75 billion. If we abandoned the people of Ukraine at most he'd get a $5 refund. More likely it would go back into the defense budget.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The song is wildly contradictory and goes to show you the vast majority of America have no idea how the government works.

They will always complain, vote against their self interests, and complain some more.

If you want the lower class to get better benefits, then vote for an ultra progressive politician.

Voting for Trump, DeSantis, Youngkin, or even Biden, won’t help the poor.

We all know the southern lower class would never actually vote in their self interest because they are brainwashed and think that’s socialism (which is what they really want)

Most Americans pay very little to no taxes. What are they complaining about?

Progressive politicians have shown that they care more about allowing illegal immigrate into the country that they do supporting the working class here. Look what’s happening in NYC right now. They are overwhelmed with migrants.

I absolutely support Medicare for all and other supportive social programs, but you cannot have these programs at the same time as open borders. You just can’t, it doesn’t work that way. Look at other socialist democracies. They have tight immigration policies. They have to.

Democrats have rejected the working classes. They have a focus on DEI, immigration and restorative justice. If they were fighting for healthcare and higher corporate taxes, and stop with the disdain for the white working class in this country, they might get somewhere.

You are delusional. Myths, stereotypes, and straw men.

[Anonymous]

Imagine if someone sounded the alarm about J6 and some pedant like above wanted to play debate.

People are fools

You can’t hear 4000 people chant sucede and simply dismiss it. Unless you are a fool

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Anonymous wrote:It's the same old, same old populism. Everything is the fault of poor people - but not poor LIKE ME - and the government.

So instead of voting for the people who have actual policies that help the average American, I'm going to vote for the people who give huge tax breaks to the wealthy and the nonworking investor class because they're the ones who REALLY understand me.

People are capable of assessing which party is most consistent with their interests.

Except they're not. Over and over again they prove that.

Example: in every poll, Americans support higher taxes on the wealthy and a wealth tax. Yet Republicans - who just won the House - continue to support cutting taxes on these people.

Look at the child tax credit - only Republicans who are in purple districts support it. Probably nothing else helps the working poor more than a healthy child tax credit, yet the supposed party of the common people opposes it? Why?
https://rollcall.com/2023/08/10/some-republicans-crack-open-door-to-child-tax-credit-compromise/

That's exactly right. A majority of Americans also want gun control, universal health care, raising the minimum wage, and reinstating Glass-Steagall. Republican politicians explicitly oppose these, yet they keep getting elected, because their constituents are more interested in contrived culture war issues and owning the libs at any costs.

And a majority of Americans want less immigration and a tougher stance on crime. Right now no party truly serves the interest of the non-affluent, and that is by design. They just get ping-ponged from party to party.

Yes. It's very clear the elite political, business, academic class is doing what it wants. That usually doesn't end well in the long term. The public wants the border controlled, but the elites do not. It doesn't matter how much they vote less illegal immigration, the elite ignore them. That's bad.

It’s because they all want a great economy. In order to have a great economy, we need people. We get people when a country has a falling birth rate by immigration.

Its as if the whole conversation just wooshed right by you. Your "great economy" is only great for the wealthy. Flooding low wage occupations with foreigners or outsourcing jobs is terrible for people doing those jobs and great for the executives. A slightly negative birth-rate is amazing for workers, and terrible for the executives and share holders. Which is basically the whole point of the song: things have really gotten pretty awful for people like the singer and his kind, while people who live north of Richmond like it that way.

[Anonymous]

Who funds the government?

That’s right, the rich “men” up north. The doctors, lawyers, small business owners that employ the working class.

Got it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Imagine if someone sounded the alarm about J6 and some pedant like above wanted to play debate.

People are fools

You can’t hear 4000 people chant sucede and simply dismiss it. Unless you are a fool

People did sound the alarm. All of DC knew what was coming. And yet there was no preparation. You can see right here in the DCUM archives that we all knew it.