Not a Beyoncé fan but I love her because

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think she’s all that at all. I do think she works very very hard at being as best as she can. I respect her but I’m not a fan. She does not write her sings and samples. She can’t win best album because of that. No matter how hard she works I don’t think she’s actually really amazingly good. Not her fault. What she can make good she does so I find her to be a great business person v artist.

I'm not debating if she's "amazingly good" or if she's "all that". I think she's just ok. But you are just wrong about her not writing her songs. Yes, the list is long of the songwriter credits on many of her huge hits, but understand that Beyonce uses a lot of sampling and interpolation in her music, and all of those artists have to be credited. So you may see 10 people with writing credit, but it's not what you think of in a traditional sense; 10 come together and come up with the song lyrics. Beyonce does write her songs, and on many of them, she is the lead songwriter. In fact she is the lead songwriter for every song on the Renaissance album. Also, it's not uncommon for her to sample a song that was already sampling another song - and each and every writer on the sample plus the sampled song have to be credited. So it could be a 10-second sample that adds another 7 writers to the list.

Now as far as the Grammys. Well, there have only been 11 black artists to win song of the year in all of the Grammys 65 years. But that's another topic for another thread...

Dp- no one in the industry considers her a song writer. She makes adjustments on tracks for credit is what I’ve always been told.
Maybe things changed for the last album, but she doesn’t play an instrument does she? I’m very skeptical on her writing ability. Lots of singers get credit for minor changes in the studio. Quite frankly it’s pretty crappy, and not fair to the actual song writer.

What industry people have you heard this from? The only industry people I've ever seen make a comment about her in this way were the other Destiny's Child members. They said that she wrote and produced more than they did. If you look at the credits on the Survivor album, it's her and 1 or 2 other writers. How is playing an instrument relevant to the topic? Besides, I can name so many big artists who do not play an instrument. Tina Turner, Cher, Madonna, Stevie Nicks, Selena Gomez, Britney Spears, Ariana Grande.. I could go on.

Playing an instrument makes it easier to write. That should have been obvious. And while some artists can write without accompanying themselves, it’s not as easy, and they are certainly less prolific. The artists your listed are big, but certainly not all known for writing. The 2 that stand out would be Madonna and Stevie Nicks. Of course they both play instruments.
And yes many songs are created from 1 or 2 writers… and then perhaps input from Beyoncé it would seem. I think she is a good interpreter of a song, and that’s a unique talent on its own.

But who said beyonce was known for writing? Someone said she didn't write her songs, I disagreed and stated why. You can either disagree or agree with my point, but you don't have to keep raising the bar to try to prove me wrong. First it's she doesen't write, then it's well no one respects her as a writer so it doesn't count, then it's well she doesn't play an instrument so she must not write. She's not a professionally trained pianist or anything but does know how to play it. Perhaps that helps her write. As far as what she's known for, she's known for being one of the greatest entertainers of her generation. Your opinion nor mine will not change that.

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Um - no - she does NOT write songs. You can take a lot of samples and put them in the order you want and it can sound great. This does not mean you wrote the song.

Google why people speculate she doesn't win Record of Year? One reason is because of the above.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sick of how she promotes Blue Ivy. Talk about a nepo baby.

I find it odd that Blue Ivy has been in the public eye and photographed since she was a toddler. The other two children are rarely seen.

You know how Khloe Kardashian has shared that she’s struggled to bond with her son who was carried by a surrogate?

And remember the rumors that Beyoncé used a surrogate for the twins?

I think the older daughter is their bio baby…and she’s the light of their lives.

Huh? Even among conspiracy theorists it’s widely accepted that she had the twins herself - though they think she used IVF. It’s her pregnancy with Blue where her dress shifted as she sat down and people went wild thinking it was a fake bump.

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Anonymous wrote:Um - no - she does NOT write songs. You can take a lot of samples and put them in the order you want and it can sound great. This does not mean you wrote the song.

Google why people speculate she doesn't win Record of Year? One reason is because of the above.

Oh snap! Speculation and gossip on the internet! wow, you just really proved it.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sick of how she promotes Blue Ivy. Talk about a nepo baby.

I find it odd that Blue Ivy has been in the public eye and photographed since she was a toddler. The other two children are rarely seen.

You know how Khloe Kardashian has shared that she’s struggled to bond with her son who was carried by a surrogate?

And remember the rumors that Beyoncé used a surrogate for the twins?

I think the older daughter is their bio baby…and she’s the light of their lives.

Or perhaps Rumi and Suri are shier and not as spirited as Blue Ivy. Beyonce has talked about a traumatic birth experience with the twins, and perhaps this has caused her to take a different approach with them. It could be anything; it's all speculation.

Blue Ivy wasn’t really given a choice — she’s been courtside at NBA games, at award shows, in music videos, and paparazzi photos since she was little. Sure, now she’s older and seems to enjoy the spotlight. But she was still young (like 5?) when the twins were born so if Beyonce suddenly decided to take a different approach with her children, why didn’t she do the same for Blue?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m sick of how she promotes Blue Ivy. Talk about a nepo baby.

I find it odd that Blue Ivy has been in the public eye and photographed since she was a toddler. The other two children are rarely seen.

You know how Khloe Kardashian has shared that she’s struggled to bond with her son who was carried by a surrogate?

And remember the rumors that Beyoncé used a surrogate for the twins?

I think the older daughter is their bio baby…and she’s the light of their lives.

Or perhaps Rumi and Suri are shier and not as spirited as Blue Ivy. Beyonce has talked about a traumatic birth experience with the twins, and perhaps this has caused her to take a different approach with them. It could be anything; it's all speculation.

Blue Ivy wasn’t really given a choice — she’s been courtside at NBA games, at award shows, in music videos, and paparazzi photos since she was little. Sure, now she’s older and seems to enjoy the spotlight. But she was still young (like 5?) when the twins were born so if Beyonce suddenly decided to take a different approach with her children, why didn’t she do the same for Blue?

I'm the person you quoted. I didn't say she took a different approach with her children. That sentence specifically says she took a different approach with the twins. Meaning different than what she did with Blue Ivy. Here is what I said:
Beyonce has talked about a traumatic birth experience with the twins, and perhaps this has caused her to take a different approach with them.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think she’s all that at all. I do think she works very very hard at being as best as she can. I respect her but I’m not a fan. She does not write her sings and samples. She can’t win best album because of that. No matter how hard she works I don’t think she’s actually really amazingly good. Not her fault. What she can make good she does so I find her to be a great business person v artist.

I'm not debating if she's "amazingly good" or if she's "all that". I think she's just ok. But you are just wrong about her not writing her songs. Yes, the list is long of the songwriter credits on many of her huge hits, but understand that Beyonce uses a lot of sampling and interpolation in her music, and all of those artists have to be credited. So you may see 10 people with writing credit, but it's not what you think of in a traditional sense; 10 come together and come up with the song lyrics. Beyonce does write her songs, and on many of them, she is the lead songwriter. In fact she is the lead songwriter for every song on the Renaissance album. Also, it's not uncommon for her to sample a song that was already sampling another song - and each and every writer on the sample plus the sampled song have to be credited. So it could be a 10-second sample that adds another 7 writers to the list.

Now as far as the Grammys. Well, there have only been 11 black artists to win song of the year in all of the Grammys 65 years. But that's another topic for another thread...

Dp- no one in the industry considers her a song writer. She makes adjustments on tracks for credit is what I’ve always been told.
Maybe things changed for the last album, but she doesn’t play an instrument does she? I’m very skeptical on her writing ability. Lots of singers get credit for minor changes in the studio. Quite frankly it’s pretty crappy, and not fair to the actual song writer.

What industry people have you heard this from? The only industry people I've ever seen make a comment about her in this way were the other Destiny's Child members. They said that she wrote and produced more than they did. If you look at the credits on the Survivor album, it's her and 1 or 2 other writers. How is playing an instrument relevant to the topic? Besides, I can name so many big artists who do not play an instrument. Tina Turner, Cher, Madonna, Stevie Nicks, Selena Gomez, Britney Spears, Ariana Grande.. I could go on.

Playing an instrument makes it easier to write. That should have been obvious. And while some artists can write without accompanying themselves, it’s not as easy, and they are certainly less prolific. The artists your listed are big, but certainly not all known for writing. The 2 that stand out would be Madonna and Stevie Nicks. Of course they both play instruments.
And yes many songs are created from 1 or 2 writers… and then perhaps input from Beyoncé it would seem. I think she is a good interpreter of a song, and that’s a unique talent on its own.

But who said beyonce was known for writing? Someone said she didn't write her songs, I disagreed and stated why. You can either disagree or agree with my point, but you don't have to keep raising the bar to try to prove me wrong. First it's she doesen't write, then it's well no one respects her as a writer so it doesn't count, then it's well she doesn't play an instrument so she must not write. She's not a professionally trained pianist or anything but does know how to play it. Perhaps that helps her write. As far as what she's known for, she's known for being one of the greatest entertainers of her generation. Your opinion nor mine will not change that.

Yes. A fantastic entertainer who getting credit for other people’s songs.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think she’s all that at all. I do think she works very very hard at being as best as she can. I respect her but I’m not a fan. She does not write her sings and samples. She can’t win best album because of that. No matter how hard she works I don’t think she’s actually really amazingly good. Not her fault. What she can make good she does so I find her to be a great business person v artist.

I'm not debating if she's "amazingly good" or if she's "all that". I think she's just ok. But you are just wrong about her not writing her songs. Yes, the list is long of the songwriter credits on many of her huge hits, but understand that Beyonce uses a lot of sampling and interpolation in her music, and all of those artists have to be credited. So you may see 10 people with writing credit, but it's not what you think of in a traditional sense; 10 come together and come up with the song lyrics. Beyonce does write her songs, and on many of them, she is the lead songwriter. In fact she is the lead songwriter for every song on the Renaissance album. Also, it's not uncommon for her to sample a song that was already sampling another song - and each and every writer on the sample plus the sampled song have to be credited. So it could be a 10-second sample that adds another 7 writers to the list.

Now as far as the Grammys. Well, there have only been 11 black artists to win song of the year in all of the Grammys 65 years. But that's another topic for another thread...

Dp- no one in the industry considers her a song writer. She makes adjustments on tracks for credit is what I’ve always been told.
Maybe things changed for the last album, but she doesn’t play an instrument does she? I’m very skeptical on her writing ability. Lots of singers get credit for minor changes in the studio. Quite frankly it’s pretty crappy, and not fair to the actual song writer.

That's interesting. This article claims differently. https://www.wmagazine.com/story/beyonce-writes-her-own-songs

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think she’s all that at all. I do think she works very very hard at being as best as she can. I respect her but I’m not a fan. She does not write her sings and samples. She can’t win best album because of that. No matter how hard she works I don’t think she’s actually really amazingly good. Not her fault. What she can make good she does so I find her to be a great business person v artist.

I'm not debating if she's "amazingly good" or if she's "all that". I think she's just ok. But you are just wrong about her not writing her songs. Yes, the list is long of the songwriter credits on many of her huge hits, but understand that Beyonce uses a lot of sampling and interpolation in her music, and all of those artists have to be credited. So you may see 10 people with writing credit, but it's not what you think of in a traditional sense; 10 come together and come up with the song lyrics. Beyonce does write her songs, and on many of them, she is the lead songwriter. In fact she is the lead songwriter for every song on the Renaissance album. Also, it's not uncommon for her to sample a song that was already sampling another song - and each and every writer on the sample plus the sampled song have to be credited. So it could be a 10-second sample that adds another 7 writers to the list.

Now as far as the Grammys. Well, there have only been 11 black artists to win song of the year in all of the Grammys 65 years. But that's another topic for another thread...

Dp- no one in the industry considers her a song writer. She makes adjustments on tracks for credit is what I’ve always been told.
Maybe things changed for the last album, but she doesn’t play an instrument does she? I’m very skeptical on her writing ability. Lots of singers get credit for minor changes in the studio. Quite frankly it’s pretty crappy, and not fair to the actual song writer.

That's interesting. This article claims differently. https://www.wmagazine.com/story/beyonce-writes-her-own-songs

That article is glowingly saying the same things I’ve posted here. “She put her spin on it”. Like I said in a different post, she interprets music and that is an amazing talent. But it definitely sucks if you are a young songwriter, and the vocalists is changing a word claiming writing credit. It’s about $$$$ and Beyoncé has always gotten that cut. That isn’t taking away her talent. She is a once in a generation performer.