MD 2022-2023 MCAP Results: Only 14% proficient ELA, 13 proficient math at state-level; MCPS 13.5% ELA, 13.7% math

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You do realize that you really need to be in Calc by 11th to do well (really well) on the SAT?

Here we go. This is precisely the attitude that we're talking about.

The SATs cover Algebra 1 and 2 material. Full-stop.

While the SAT Math section tests your knowledge of high school math, it doesn’t venture past what you’ll learn in Algebra II and Pre-Calculus classes.

If you haven’t reached Calculus yet, there is no need to worry!

SOURCE: https://prepexpert.com/what-kind-of-math-is-on-the-sat/#:~:text=While%20the%20SAT%20Math%20section%20tests%20your%20knowledge%20of%20high,is%20no%20need%20to%20worry!

Are kids who are in Calc by 11th likely to do better than those who stay on-level? Maybe. But that's not a reason to force your kid to go faster than they're ready.

Also, it depends on what you define as well or really well. If your on-level kid scores within the 1200-1400 range on the SATs, that's good. However, if you as a parent refuse to accept anything less than a 1500, then your expectations are warped.

Right. So you need to be finished with PreCalc by the time you are in 11th. Meaning taking Calc by 11th.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:MCPS literally serves the accelerated students as well. It is possible and better to have different classes for kids with different needs. Ask the teachers.

Yet, I assure you it is not the kids who did Algebra in 7th or 8th who are dragging down the test scores. You know that PP. this is an effort to deflect/distract from the real issues, which is failing to teach math to most of the kids.

Start with banning the phones. Give the kids a chance to learn without notifications and text messages. Too many distractions.

Hi, PP. I'm not laying the blame at the feet of kids who did Algebra in 7th or 8th grade. It was the MCPS experts who seemed to feel that was a key part of the issue. And they seemed to believe that the compacted math instruction was causing kids to miss key skills, that inhibited their proficiency.

I don't know why the MCPS staff are persuaded of this POV, but it's what they publicly spoke about in that board meeting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS literally serves the accelerated students as well. It is possible and better to have different classes for kids with different needs. Ask the teachers.

Yet, I assure you it is not the kids who did Algebra in 7th or 8th who are dragging down the test scores. You know that PP. this is an effort to deflect/distract from the real issues, which is failing to teach math to most of the kids.

Start with banning the phones. Give the kids a chance to learn without notifications and text messages. Too many distractions.

Hi, PP. I'm not laying the blame at the feet of kids who did Algebra in 7th or 8th grade. It was the MCPS experts who seemed to feel that was a key part of the issue. And they seemed to believe that the compacted math instruction was causing kids to miss key skills, that inhibited their proficiency.

I don't know why the MCPS staff are persuaded of this POV, but it's what they publicly spoke about in that board meeting.

It is a useful distraction. Very effective. Perhaps they will share the test scores of the kids who took Algebra in 7th or 8th. Guaranteed that most are high achievers on the test.

[Anonymous]

We cannot continue to blame accelerated math for these low test scores. One has nothing to do with the other.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We cannot continue to blame accelerated math for these low test scores. One has nothing to do with the other.

Accelerated math is one of the few good things the county does. It has nothing to do with these problems. Most kids (more than half) at our DCC school were proficient. Those that weren't checked out during covid and had their parents to blame for their learning loss. Anyway, the county seems to be doing fine based on our school's scores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Vocational does not mean unskilled. Most actual professions are highly technical and need basic organization, social, reading and math skills.

If kids are bombing academic courses they are usually bombing vocational courses too.

Of course they do but a lot of these kids learn differently and more hands on. There is a big difference learning algebra by building a set of stairs and learning algebra by finding out which train leaving Kansas City gets to St. Louis first.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People who get worked up over these things don't grasp that this is a new test that isn't fully tuned or debugged. The results are better but not especially reliable.

So what is the appropriate response? Ignore it? Even though other performance data, including MCPS's own EOL data, confirms that kids are seriously behind in reading and math?

I don't get it.

MCPS' own EOL data, DOESN'T confirm that kids are seriously behind in reading and math.
You keep repeating that lie.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People who get worked up over these things don't grasp that this is a new test that isn't fully tuned or debugged. The results are better but not especially reliable.

So what is the appropriate response? Ignore it? Even though other performance data, including MCPS's own EOL data, confirms that kids are seriously behind in reading and math?

I don't get it.

MCPS' own EOL data, DOESN'T confirm that kids are seriously behind in reading and math.
You keep repeating that lie.

Are you nuts?

Gr 8: 2019 data ALL STUDENTS

Literacy: 80%
Math: 73%

Gr 8: 2022 data ALL STUDENTS

Literacy: 72.9%
Math: 46.3%

The data is here. MCPS, in its own statements, has admitted they have A LOT OF GROUND TO MAKE UP.

SOURCE: https://wjla.com/news/local/montgomery-county-public-schools-new-data-academics-2021-2022-school-year-students-teachers-pandemic-covid-challenges-math-mcps-monifa-mcknight

It found that while 75% of students in second grade showed evidence of learning in math, only 53% of fifth graders and 46% of eighth graders demonstrated it. Compare that to 60% of 11th-grade students.

"We were a little surprised by the significant decline in math," Hazel said.

The assessment showed that multi-lingual learners, low-income, and special education students in the eighth grade experienced a decline in evidence of learning in math of up to 13 percentage points from the year before.

What the hell are you talking about? At this point, I'm convinced you're a troll. But I just can't suss out what your goal is in denying reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People who get worked up over these things don't grasp that this is a new test that isn't fully tuned or debugged. The results are better but not especially reliable.

So what is the appropriate response? Ignore it? Even though other performance data, including MCPS's own EOL data, confirms that kids are seriously behind in reading and math?

I don't get it.

MCPS' own EOL data, DOESN'T confirm that kids are seriously behind in reading and math.
You keep repeating that lie.

“We’ve seen some things that tell us a bit more about how our students have been impacted by the pandemic,” Superintendent Dr. Monifa McKnight said. “We’ve seen some growth in literacy across the board. And we’ve seen some decline in math, and specifically at the secondary level.”

SOURCE: https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2022/09/montgomery-co-schools-exceed-literacy-expectations-but-miss-target-for-math/

The only liar here is you.

[Anonymous]

I blame grade inflation and the pass along no matter what philosophy. You can't expect teachers to deal with assault in the classroom the firing them if they don't inflate the numbers or if they report violence. Its a recipe for disaster. Trust me, I have had to deal with this and behavior and academics go down the tube if e are pressured and threatened to fraud.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People who get worked up over these things don't grasp that this is a new test that isn't fully tuned or debugged. The results are better but not especially reliable.

So what is the appropriate response? Ignore it? Even though other performance data, including MCPS's own EOL data, confirms that kids are seriously behind in reading and math?

I don't get it.

MCPS' own EOL data, DOESN'T confirm that kids are seriously behind in reading and math.
You keep repeating that lie.

“We’ve seen some things that tell us a bit more about how our students have been impacted by the pandemic,” Superintendent Dr. Monifa McKnight said. “We’ve seen some growth in literacy across the board. And we’ve seen some decline in math, and specifically at the secondary level.”

SOURCE: https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2022/09/montgomery-co-schools-exceed-literacy-expectations-but-miss-target-for-math/

The only liar here is you.

Are you really that dumb ? Even the article you cited clearly stated "exceed-literacy-expectations...but missed target for Math ". No where did it say that "kids are seriously behind in reading and math ".
72% meet reading expectations, target was 66%.
61% meet math expectations, barely missing the target for math.
You're not only a liar, but a dumb one at that.