Drawback to Div III college?

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Anonymous wrote:Male swimmer would have to be exceptionally good to have even a chance at a good D1 program.

He's better than his dad. Not saying more since results are public.

But that doesn’t mean much. He should be faster. That is a far cry from being a realistic candidate for D1.

What I am trying to assess is whether your DH is realistic about actual D1 chances or not for your DS. There are exceptionally good swimmers who can be recruited by D1 but they have to be exceptional.

Stop trying to out OP.

Are you crazy? What are you talking about? OP can’t be outed by asking her if she is being realistic about her DS’s likelihood of recruitment. That is some insane paranoia.

It's pretty obvious she's pressing OP for events, times, records. The swimming community isn't that large. If OP says he's an elite swimming, stop assuming otherwise.

I’m the initial PP and this is absurd. I’ve been on DCUM for many years and seen far more delusional sports parents than realistic ones. I was trying to be polite and not say that but fine, I will be blunt now because you are going into ridiculous paranoia fever dreams about doxxing. I do not care at all about specific times but I do wonder if OP is actually right to even be concerned about this, because based on what she’s said so far, I am a bit skeptical. There have been SO many threads on DCUM that are a delusional D1 fantasy and it is absurd.

OP here. He's an exceptional swimmer and D1 coaches already know his name. I'm not sure why you're so intent on believing otherwise...kids get D1 scholarships every day.

I am not intent on believing otherwise, but a parent being accurate about their child’s D1 likelihood particularly before senior year is a bit of a rarity on DCUM to be honest.

Kids do get D1 scholarships, but certainly not every day and it is increasingly rare for freshmen.

OP said he's 16. He's either a junior or sophomore.

PP sounds threatened by the simple existence of a good athlete.

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Anonymous wrote:Male swimmer would have to be exceptionally good to have even a chance at a good D1 program.

He's better than his dad. Not saying more since results are public.

But that doesn’t mean much. He should be faster. That is a far cry from being a realistic candidate for D1.

What I am trying to assess is whether your DH is realistic about actual D1 chances or not for your DS. There are exceptionally good swimmers who can be recruited by D1 but they have to be exceptional.

Stop trying to out OP.

Are you crazy? What are you talking about? OP can’t be outed by asking her if she is being realistic about her DS’s likelihood of recruitment. That is some insane paranoia.

It's pretty obvious she's pressing OP for events, times, records. The swimming community isn't that large. If OP says he's an elite swimming, stop assuming otherwise.

I’m the initial PP and this is absurd. I’ve been on DCUM for many years and seen far more delusional sports parents than realistic ones. I was trying to be polite and not say that but fine, I will be blunt now because you are going into ridiculous paranoia fever dreams about doxxing. I do not care at all about specific times but I do wonder if OP is actually right to even be concerned about this, because based on what she’s said so far, I am a bit skeptical. There have been SO many threads on DCUM that are a delusional D1 fantasy and it is absurd.

OP here. He's an exceptional swimmer and D1 coaches already know his name. I'm not sure why you're so intent on believing otherwise...kids get D1 scholarships every day.

I am not intent on believing otherwise, but a parent being accurate about their child’s D1 likelihood particularly before senior year is a bit of a rarity on DCUM to be honest.

Kids do get D1 scholarships, but certainly not every day and it is increasingly rare for freshmen.

OP said he's 16. He's either a junior or sophomore.

PP sounds threatened by the simple existence of a good athlete.

Damn

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Anonymous wrote:Male swimmer would have to be exceptionally good to have even a chance at a good D1 program.

He's better than his dad. Not saying more since results are public.

But that doesn’t mean much. He should be faster. That is a far cry from being a realistic candidate for D1.

What I am trying to assess is whether your DH is realistic about actual D1 chances or not for your DS. There are exceptionally good swimmers who can be recruited by D1 but they have to be exceptional.

Stop trying to out OP.

Are you crazy? What are you talking about? OP can’t be outed by asking her if she is being realistic about her DS’s likelihood of recruitment. That is some insane paranoia.

It's pretty obvious she's pressing OP for events, times, records. The swimming community isn't that large. If OP says he's an elite swimming, stop assuming otherwise.

I’m the initial PP and this is absurd. I’ve been on DCUM for many years and seen far more delusional sports parents than realistic ones. I was trying to be polite and not say that but fine, I will be blunt now because you are going into ridiculous paranoia fever dreams about doxxing. I do not care at all about specific times but I do wonder if OP is actually right to even be concerned about this, because based on what she’s said so far, I am a bit skeptical. There have been SO many threads on DCUM that are a delusional D1 fantasy and it is absurd.

OP here. He's an exceptional swimmer and D1 coaches already know his name. I'm not sure why you're so intent on believing otherwise...kids get D1 scholarships every day.

I am not intent on believing otherwise, but a parent being accurate about their child’s D1 likelihood particularly before senior year is a bit of a rarity on DCUM to be honest.

Kids do get D1 scholarships, but certainly not every day and it is increasingly rare for freshmen.

OP said he's 16. He's either a junior or sophomore.

PP sounds threatened by the simple existence of a good athlete.

Oh don’t be silly.

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Anonymous wrote:Male swimmer would have to be exceptionally good to have even a chance at a good D1 program.

He's better than his dad. Not saying more since results are public.

But that doesn’t mean much. He should be faster. That is a far cry from being a realistic candidate for D1.

What I am trying to assess is whether your DH is realistic about actual D1 chances or not for your DS. There are exceptionally good swimmers who can be recruited by D1 but they have to be exceptional.

Stop trying to out OP.

Are you crazy? What are you talking about? OP can’t be outed by asking her if she is being realistic about her DS’s likelihood of recruitment. That is some insane paranoia.

It's pretty obvious she's pressing OP for events, times, records. The swimming community isn't that large. If OP says he's an elite swimming, stop assuming otherwise.

I’m the initial PP and this is absurd. I’ve been on DCUM for many years and seen far more delusional sports parents than realistic ones. I was trying to be polite and not say that but fine, I will be blunt now because you are going into ridiculous paranoia fever dreams about doxxing. I do not care at all about specific times but I do wonder if OP is actually right to even be concerned about this, because based on what she’s said so far, I am a bit skeptical. There have been SO many threads on DCUM that are a delusional D1 fantasy and it is absurd.

OP here. He's an exceptional swimmer and D1 coaches already know his name. I'm not sure why you're so intent on believing otherwise...kids get D1 scholarships every day.

I am not intent on believing otherwise, but a parent being accurate about their child’s D1 likelihood particularly before senior year is a bit of a rarity on DCUM to be honest.

Kids do get D1 scholarships, but certainly not every day and it is increasingly rare for freshmen.

OP said he's 16. He's either a junior or sophomore.

PP sounds threatened by the simple existence of a good athlete.

Damn

Tell me I'm wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:The quality of D3 athletics can be higher at the top than some lower-level D1 programs, in part because there are plenty of lower-level D1-level athletes who decide to go there for the academics, quality of life, and/or chance to play immediately.

Most people's knowledge of D1 is based on Power 5 conferences, but most kids who think they are D1 are really lower-level D1 quality. When comparing these schools with D3, the advantages of D1 lessen. Some of the D3s even have better athletic facilities than the lower-level D1s. This is especially true at elite academic D3 schools that have big donors.

The big advantage of D3, depending upon the sport, is the limit on off-season training days, which leaves more room for internships, study abroad programs, lab classes etc, the chance for more immediate playing time, and the reduced pressure on the players and coaches to win at all costs, which is the environment that often leads to player abuse.

Your son and his dad should watch some D3 games in person and online (they are all streamed these days) and see for themselves whether the quality is too low. They also should visit some facilities and meet with the coaches.

As a practical matter, if your son wants the overall experience of D3, he won't last long in D1. He'll burnout quickly and quit. Kind of the worst of both worlds. Chose a school for athletics instead of using athletics to get him into the best school and left without athletics or the best school fit for him.

If your son and his Dad want to compromise, focus on D3-style D1 athletic programs. Schools like Davidson, Colgate, Bucknell, Lehigh, Lafayette, and the Ivy's are D1 (lower-level in most sports), but are smaller and have more focus on academics. They often have practice times designed not to conflict with classes and they play schedules designed to minimize long travel. They also generally don't go deep into post-season, thus minimizing conflicts further.

This is 100% accurate. We have a son at a D3 "style" / D1 school. Loves it, but if he told us he was transferring to a D3 program so he could do a semester abroad his junior year, we'd be really happy...

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Anonymous wrote:Male swimmer would have to be exceptionally good to have even a chance at a good D1 program.

He's better than his dad. Not saying more since results are public.

But that doesn’t mean much. He should be faster. That is a far cry from being a realistic candidate for D1.

What I am trying to assess is whether your DH is realistic about actual D1 chances or not for your DS. There are exceptionally good swimmers who can be recruited by D1 but they have to be exceptional.

Stop trying to out OP.

Are you crazy? What are you talking about? OP can’t be outed by asking her if she is being realistic about her DS’s likelihood of recruitment. That is some insane paranoia.

It's pretty obvious she's pressing OP for events, times, records. The swimming community isn't that large. If OP says he's an elite swimming, stop assuming otherwise.

I’m the initial PP and this is absurd. I’ve been on DCUM for many years and seen far more delusional sports parents than realistic ones. I was trying to be polite and not say that but fine, I will be blunt now because you are going into ridiculous paranoia fever dreams about doxxing. I do not care at all about specific times but I do wonder if OP is actually right to even be concerned about this, because based on what she’s said so far, I am a bit skeptical. There have been SO many threads on DCUM that are a delusional D1 fantasy and it is absurd.

OP here. He's an exceptional swimmer and D1 coaches already know his name. I'm not sure why you're so intent on believing otherwise...kids get D1 scholarships every day.

I am not intent on believing otherwise, but a parent being accurate about their child’s D1 likelihood particularly before senior year is a bit of a rarity on DCUM to be honest.

Kids do get D1 scholarships, but certainly not every day and it is increasingly rare for freshmen.

OP said he's 16. He's either a junior or sophomore.

Official recruitment for swimmers can begin at the end of their sophomore year. So since OP's son is exceptional, he should start getting calls from D1 coaches very soon (assuming he's a sophomore). Then he would go on official visits in September/October (maximum of 5). Early junior year is generally when the best swimmers commit, although some take longer to make decisions. D3 generally starts recruiting later in our experience--mid-to-late Junior year. OP -- if your son is an exceptional swimmer, then he should be able to swim at the Naval Academy or Westpoint, both D1 and service academies, making DS and DH happy. Alternatively, your DS can go to a D1 school that has excellent academics+swimming (e.g., Michigan, Cal, Stanford, Harvard, Princeton, Northwestern, UTexas, UNC, etc) and to ROTC. I'm not sure I understand the problem here.

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Our DD is an excellent athlete, strong A- student - she listed out her target D1 schools, and, while some interest, no offers. She was approached by multiple D1 schools, mid tier and below academically and almost every top 15 D3 school. She went with D3, and loves it. Able to focus on academics and also one of the better players in her conference, so always plays, wins awards etc. Has a social life and is currently interviewing with Wall Street firms. Worked out for her, but no scholarship money. We were lucky enough to be able to afford full pay.