Petition to DC Council for FY 2024 Charter School Budgets

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Anonymous wrote:Amazing how much people argue over pennies in the budget.

Let the charter teachers get paid. Teaching is not easy, doesnt matter where you are.

+1 charter teachers are responsible for teaching almost 50% of the kids in DC.

+1000 and a majority of those kids are low income…

Wow, following this thread and guess adults on here don’t care about the kids in this city. It’s about me, politics, and whatever else.

Not only are almost 1/2 of the kids in charters but over 70% of all these charter kids are black (much higher percentage than DCPS) and almost 50% at risk.

And you wonder why the academic achievements in the city are so abysmal……nobody places them first in this game the adults are playing.

Quite the contrary, it's because I care so much about low income kids that I support more accountability for the charter sector. (I also support reform for DCPS but that's a different set of proposals). There are several charters circling the drain, others that have been given a pass by a lax authorizer for too many years. I am a charter parent myself, but looking at the city overall, we need to acknowledge the performance of many charter schools is not good-- and when it is good, that's because of easier demographics. The charter sector is badly in need of reform, and that is why I cannot support any increase in funding without policy changes along with it. I do think teachers should be paid more, but this is the leverage we have.

WTF. Are you for real?? Like there are not bad actors and schools in DCPS who have far, far worst outcomes than charters. Like the middle and high schools operating with single digits percentages of students at grade level?? What the hell accountability is there but to socially promote the kids? What about all the damn new programs every year that DCPS uses consultants and pays millions with no positive outcome. What about the corruption and bloating of central office.

JFC, get off your high horse. There are bad schools in both charter and DCPS and you want to throw out the baby with the bath water. Screw all the kids and schools that are doing good stuff.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazing how much people argue over pennies in the budget.

Let the charter teachers get paid. Teaching is not easy, doesnt matter where you are.

+1 charter teachers are responsible for teaching almost 50% of the kids in DC.

+1000 and a majority of those kids are low income…

Wow, following this thread and guess adults on here don’t care about the kids in this city. It’s about me, politics, and whatever else.

Not only are almost 1/2 of the kids in charters but over 70% of all these charter kids are black (much higher percentage than DCPS) and almost 50% at risk.

And you wonder why the academic achievements in the city are so abysmal……nobody places them first in this game the adults are playing.

Quite the contrary, it's because I care so much about low income kids that I support more accountability for the charter sector. (I also support reform for DCPS but that's a different set of proposals). There are several charters circling the drain, others that have been given a pass by a lax authorizer for too many years. I am a charter parent myself, but looking at the city overall, we need to acknowledge the performance of many charter schools is not good-- and when it is good, that's because of easier demographics. The charter sector is badly in need of reform, and that is why I cannot support any increase in funding without policy changes along with it. I do think teachers should be paid more, but this is the leverage we have.

WTF. Are you for real?? Like there are not bad actors and schools in DCPS who have far, far worst outcomes than charters. Like the middle and high schools operating with single digits percentages of students at grade level?? What the hell accountability is there but to socially promote the kids? What about all the damn new programs every year that DCPS uses consultants and pays millions with no positive outcome. What about the corruption and bloating of central office.

JFC, get off your high horse. There are bad schools in both charter and DCPS and you want to throw out the baby with the bath water. Screw all the kids and schools that are doing good stuff.

Oh for Pete's sake. DCPS sucks, so give us everything we want with no accountability. You could not be more of a cliche with your tired talking points.

Nobody's talking about throwing out the whole charter sector. I simply support more accountability for charters, and believe the city shouldn't provide any additional funding without negotiating for quality improvements. Yes there are problems in DCPS, but they are of a different policy nature, and they don't change my view of this particular charter funding issue.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazing how much people argue over pennies in the budget.

Let the charter teachers get paid. Teaching is not easy, doesnt matter where you are.

+1 charter teachers are responsible for teaching almost 50% of the kids in DC.

+1000 and a majority of those kids are low income…

Wow, following this thread and guess adults on here don’t care about the kids in this city. It’s about me, politics, and whatever else.

Not only are almost 1/2 of the kids in charters but over 70% of all these charter kids are black (much higher percentage than DCPS) and almost 50% at risk.

And you wonder why the academic achievements in the city are so abysmal……nobody places them first in this game the adults are playing.

Quite the contrary, it's because I care so much about low income kids that I support more accountability for the charter sector. (I also support reform for DCPS but that's a different set of proposals). There are several charters circling the drain, others that have been given a pass by a lax authorizer for too many years. I am a charter parent myself, but looking at the city overall, we need to acknowledge the performance of many charter schools is not good-- and when it is good, that's because of easier demographics. The charter sector is badly in need of reform, and that is why I cannot support any increase in funding without policy changes along with it. I do think teachers should be paid more, but this is the leverage we have.

WTF. Are you for real?? Like there are not bad actors and schools in DCPS who have far, far worst outcomes than charters. Like the middle and high schools operating with single digits percentages of students at grade level?? What the hell accountability is there but to socially promote the kids? What about all the damn new programs every year that DCPS uses consultants and pays millions with no positive outcome. What about the corruption and bloating of central office.

JFC, get off your high horse. There are bad schools in both charter and DCPS and you want to throw out the baby with the bath water. Screw all the kids and schools that are doing good stuff.

Oh for Pete's sake. DCPS sucks, so give us everything we want with no accountability. You could not be more of a cliche with your tired talking points.

Nobody's talking about throwing out the whole charter sector. I simply support more accountability for charters, and believe the city shouldn't provide any additional funding without negotiating for quality improvements. Yes there are problems in DCPS, but they are of a different policy nature, and they don't change my view of this particular charter funding issue.

You ARE talking about it by not increase funding for teachers. Why is that not throwing out charter sector.

You want more accountability? Then do across the board in DCPS and charters. Because you know well that failing schools in DCPS don’t have much accountability either.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amazing how much people argue over pennies in the budget.

Let the charter teachers get paid. Teaching is not easy, doesnt matter where you are.

+1 charter teachers are responsible for teaching almost 50% of the kids in DC.

+1000 and a majority of those kids are low income…

Wow, following this thread and guess adults on here don’t care about the kids in this city. It’s about me, politics, and whatever else.

Not only are almost 1/2 of the kids in charters but over 70% of all these charter kids are black (much higher percentage than DCPS) and almost 50% at risk.

And you wonder why the academic achievements in the city are so abysmal……nobody places them first in this game the adults are playing.

Quite the contrary, it's because I care so much about low income kids that I support more accountability for the charter sector. (I also support reform for DCPS but that's a different set of proposals). There are several charters circling the drain, others that have been given a pass by a lax authorizer for too many years. I am a charter parent myself, but looking at the city overall, we need to acknowledge the performance of many charter schools is not good-- and when it is good, that's because of easier demographics. The charter sector is badly in need of reform, and that is why I cannot support any increase in funding without policy changes along with it. I do think teachers should be paid more, but this is the leverage we have.

WTF. Are you for real?? Like there are not bad actors and schools in DCPS who have far, far worst outcomes than charters. Like the middle and high schools operating with single digits percentages of students at grade level?? What the hell accountability is there but to socially promote the kids? What about all the damn new programs every year that DCPS uses consultants and pays millions with no positive outcome. What about the corruption and bloating of central office.

JFC, get off your high horse. There are bad schools in both charter and DCPS and you want to throw out the baby with the bath water. Screw all the kids and schools that are doing good stuff.

Oh for Pete's sake. DCPS sucks, so give us everything we want with no accountability. You could not be more of a cliche with your tired talking points.

Nobody's talking about throwing out the whole charter sector. I simply support more accountability for charters, and believe the city shouldn't provide any additional funding without negotiating for quality improvements. Yes there are problems in DCPS, but they are of a different policy nature, and they don't change my view of this particular charter funding issue.

You ARE talking about it by not increase funding for teachers. Why is that not throwing out charter sector.

You want more accountability? Then do across the board in DCPS and charters. Because you know well that failing schools in DCPS don’t have much accountability either.

Not increasing funding unless there are agreements for changes in return is hardly "throwing out" an entire sector. It's literally the same deal as the WTU makes every time it negotiates a contract. I think that's fine and appropriate for both sectors.

Failing schools in DCPS do have accountability. The city can impose a wide variety of staffing and programmatic changes. It doesn't always work, but there absolutely are lots of things the city and DCPS can and does do to intervene. Not so in charters, where "flexibility" includes freedom to suck, and the PCSB won't do anything unless a school is already failing or there is financial fraud. The PCSB hasn't even tried to impose accountability during COVID-- it's just freedom to suck for a few years I guess.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amazing how much people argue over pennies in the budget.

Let the charter teachers get paid. Teaching is not easy, doesnt matter where you are.

+1 charter teachers are responsible for teaching almost 50% of the kids in DC.

+1000 and a majority of those kids are low income…

Wow, following this thread and guess adults on here don’t care about the kids in this city. It’s about me, politics, and whatever else.

Not only are almost 1/2 of the kids in charters but over 70% of all these charter kids are black (much higher percentage than DCPS) and almost 50% at risk.

And you wonder why the academic achievements in the city are so abysmal……nobody places them first in this game the adults are playing.

Quite the contrary, it's because I care so much about low income kids that I support more accountability for the charter sector. (I also support reform for DCPS but that's a different set of proposals). There are several charters circling the drain, others that have been given a pass by a lax authorizer for too many years. I am a charter parent myself, but looking at the city overall, we need to acknowledge the performance of many charter schools is not good-- and when it is good, that's because of easier demographics. The charter sector is badly in need of reform, and that is why I cannot support any increase in funding without policy changes along with it. I do think teachers should be paid more, but this is the leverage we have.

WTF. Are you for real?? Like there are not bad actors and schools in DCPS who have far, far worst outcomes than charters. Like the middle and high schools operating with single digits percentages of students at grade level?? What the hell accountability is there but to socially promote the kids? What about all the damn new programs every year that DCPS uses consultants and pays millions with no positive outcome. What about the corruption and bloating of central office.

JFC, get off your high horse. There are bad schools in both charter and DCPS and you want to throw out the baby with the bath water. Screw all the kids and schools that are doing good stuff.

Oh for Pete's sake. DCPS sucks, so give us everything we want with no accountability. You could not be more of a cliche with your tired talking points.

Nobody's talking about throwing out the whole charter sector. I simply support more accountability for charters, and believe the city shouldn't provide any additional funding without negotiating for quality improvements. Yes there are problems in DCPS, but they are of a different policy nature, and they don't change my view of this particular charter funding issue.

You ARE talking about it by not increase funding for teachers. Why is that not throwing out charter sector.

You want more accountability? Then do across the board in DCPS and charters. Because you know well that failing schools in DCPS don’t have much accountability either.

Not increasing funding unless there are agreements for changes in return is hardly "throwing out" an entire sector. It's literally the same deal as the WTU makes every time it negotiates a contract. I think that's fine and appropriate for both sectors.

Failing schools in DCPS do have accountability. The city can impose a wide variety of staffing and programmatic changes. It doesn't always work, but there absolutely are lots of things the city and DCPS can and does do to intervene. Not so in charters, where "flexibility" includes freedom to suck, and the PCSB won't do anything unless a school is already failing or there is financial fraud. The PCSB hasn't even tried to impose accountability during COVID-- it's just freedom to suck for a few years I guess.

Oh please. Everywhere in DC was "freedom to suck" during covid.

There is accountability for charters, it is just different accountability. And you can hardly state that whatever accountability is faced at DCPS is actually working. (BTW, DCPS teachers hate their accountability metric. We always here on the board how the teachers don't feel like it measures what matters and that they shouldn't be held to it.)

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Anonymous wrote:Amazing how much people argue over pennies in the budget.

Let the charter teachers get paid. Teaching is not easy, doesnt matter where you are.

+1 charter teachers are responsible for teaching almost 50% of the kids in DC.

+1000 and a majority of those kids are low income…

Wow, following this thread and guess adults on here don’t care about the kids in this city. It’s about me, politics, and whatever else.

Not only are almost 1/2 of the kids in charters but over 70% of all these charter kids are black (much higher percentage than DCPS) and almost 50% at risk.

And you wonder why the academic achievements in the city are so abysmal……nobody places them first in this game the adults are playing.

Quite the contrary, it's because I care so much about low income kids that I support more accountability for the charter sector. (I also support reform for DCPS but that's a different set of proposals). There are several charters circling the drain, others that have been given a pass by a lax authorizer for too many years. I am a charter parent myself, but looking at the city overall, we need to acknowledge the performance of many charter schools is not good-- and when it is good, that's because of easier demographics. The charter sector is badly in need of reform, and that is why I cannot support any increase in funding without policy changes along with it. I do think teachers should be paid more, but this is the leverage we have.

WTF. Are you for real?? Like there are not bad actors and schools in DCPS who have far, far worst outcomes than charters. Like the middle and high schools operating with single digits percentages of students at grade level?? What the hell accountability is there but to socially promote the kids? What about all the damn new programs every year that DCPS uses consultants and pays millions with no positive outcome. What about the corruption and bloating of central office.

JFC, get off your high horse. There are bad schools in both charter and DCPS and you want to throw out the baby with the bath water. Screw all the kids and schools that are doing good stuff.

Oh for Pete's sake. DCPS sucks, so give us everything we want with no accountability. You could not be more of a cliche with your tired talking points.

Nobody's talking about throwing out the whole charter sector. I simply support more accountability for charters, and believe the city shouldn't provide any additional funding without negotiating for quality improvements. Yes there are problems in DCPS, but they are of a different policy nature, and they don't change my view of this particular charter funding issue.

You ARE talking about it by not increase funding for teachers. Why is that not throwing out charter sector.

You want more accountability? Then do across the board in DCPS and charters. Because you know well that failing schools in DCPS don’t have much accountability either.

Not increasing funding unless there are agreements for changes in return is hardly "throwing out" an entire sector. It's literally the same deal as the WTU makes every time it negotiates a contract. I think that's fine and appropriate for both sectors.

Failing schools in DCPS do have accountability. The city can impose a wide variety of staffing and programmatic changes. It doesn't always work, but there absolutely are lots of things the city and DCPS can and does do to intervene. Not so in charters, where "flexibility" includes freedom to suck, and the PCSB won't do anything unless a school is already failing or there is financial fraud. The PCSB hasn't even tried to impose accountability during COVID-- it's just freedom to suck for a few years I guess.

Oh please. Everywhere in DC was "freedom to suck" during covid.

There is accountability for charters, it is just different accountability. And you can hardly state that whatever accountability is faced at DCPS is actually working. (BTW, DCPS teachers hate their accountability metric. We always here on the board how the teachers don't feel like it measures what matters and that they shouldn't be held to it.)

It's nowhere near enough accountability. We see that when borderline-failing schools are passed along year after year at the PCSB's discretion and financial fraud is uncovered too late to recover. When once-functional schools take a nose dive like Mundo, TR, and SSMA, as well as Hope Tolson which doesn't get much attention here but looks likely to fa. Before that was the high school on NY Ave that failed financially, and Excel when it was a charter, and the Amos schools scandal. Monument had a scandal a few years ago. I'm sure others could list more. Real, effective accountability means intervening before problems become fatal, and having a quality standard that isn't rock bottom low.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazing how much people argue over pennies in the budget.

Let the charter teachers get paid. Teaching is not easy, doesnt matter where you are.

+1 charter teachers are responsible for teaching almost 50% of the kids in DC.

+1000 and a majority of those kids are low income…

Wow, following this thread and guess adults on here don’t care about the kids in this city. It’s about me, politics, and whatever else.

Not only are almost 1/2 of the kids in charters but over 70% of all these charter kids are black (much higher percentage than DCPS) and almost 50% at risk.

And you wonder why the academic achievements in the city are so abysmal……nobody places them first in this game the adults are playing.

Quite the contrary, it's because I care so much about low income kids that I support more accountability for the charter sector. (I also support reform for DCPS but that's a different set of proposals). There are several charters circling the drain, others that have been given a pass by a lax authorizer for too many years. I am a charter parent myself, but looking at the city overall, we need to acknowledge the performance of many charter schools is not good-- and when it is good, that's because of easier demographics. The charter sector is badly in need of reform, and that is why I cannot support any increase in funding without policy changes along with it. I do think teachers should be paid more, but this is the leverage we have.

WTF. Are you for real?? Like there are not bad actors and schools in DCPS who have far, far worst outcomes than charters. Like the middle and high schools operating with single digits percentages of students at grade level?? What the hell accountability is there but to socially promote the kids? What about all the damn new programs every year that DCPS uses consultants and pays millions with no positive outcome. What about the corruption and bloating of central office.

JFC, get off your high horse. There are bad schools in both charter and DCPS and you want to throw out the baby with the bath water. Screw all the kids and schools that are doing good stuff.

Oh for Pete's sake. DCPS sucks, so give us everything we want with no accountability. You could not be more of a cliche with your tired talking points.

Nobody's talking about throwing out the whole charter sector. I simply support more accountability for charters, and believe the city shouldn't provide any additional funding without negotiating for quality improvements. Yes there are problems in DCPS, but they are of a different policy nature, and they don't change my view of this particular charter funding issue.

You ARE talking about it by not increase funding for teachers. Why is that not throwing out charter sector.

You want more accountability? Then do across the board in DCPS and charters. Because you know well that failing schools in DCPS don’t have much accountability either.

Not increasing funding unless there are agreements for changes in return is hardly "throwing out" an entire sector. It's literally the same deal as the WTU makes every time it negotiates a contract. I think that's fine and appropriate for both sectors.

Failing schools in DCPS do have accountability. The city can impose a wide variety of staffing and programmatic changes. It doesn't always work, but there absolutely are lots of things the city and DCPS can and does do to intervene. Not so in charters, where "flexibility" includes freedom to suck, and the PCSB won't do anything unless a school is already failing or there is financial fraud. The PCSB hasn't even tried to impose accountability during COVID-- it's just freedom to suck for a few years I guess.

Oh please. Everywhere in DC was "freedom to suck" during covid.

There is accountability for charters, it is just different accountability. And you can hardly state that whatever accountability is faced at DCPS is actually working. (BTW, DCPS teachers hate their accountability metric. We always here on the board how the teachers don't feel like it measures what matters and that they shouldn't be held to it.)

It's nowhere near enough accountability. We see that when borderline-failing schools are passed along year after year at the PCSB's discretion and financial fraud is uncovered too late to recover. When once-functional schools take a nose dive like Mundo, TR, and SSMA, as well as Hope Tolson which doesn't get much attention here but looks likely to fa. Before that was the high school on NY Ave that failed financially, and Excel when it was a charter, and the Amos schools scandal. Monument had a scandal a few years ago. I'm sure others could list more. Real, effective accountability means intervening before problems become fatal, and having a quality standard that isn't rock bottom low.

LOL you really need to look at some of the DCPS schools, if you want to apply 'accountability' uniformly. I doubt you do.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazing how much people argue over pennies in the budget.

Let the charter teachers get paid. Teaching is not easy, doesnt matter where you are.

+1 charter teachers are responsible for teaching almost 50% of the kids in DC.

+1000 and a majority of those kids are low income…

Wow, following this thread and guess adults on here don’t care about the kids in this city. It’s about me, politics, and whatever else.

Not only are almost 1/2 of the kids in charters but over 70% of all these charter kids are black (much higher percentage than DCPS) and almost 50% at risk.

And you wonder why the academic achievements in the city are so abysmal……nobody places them first in this game the adults are playing.

Quite the contrary, it's because I care so much about low income kids that I support more accountability for the charter sector. (I also support reform for DCPS but that's a different set of proposals). There are several charters circling the drain, others that have been given a pass by a lax authorizer for too many years. I am a charter parent myself, but looking at the city overall, we need to acknowledge the performance of many charter schools is not good-- and when it is good, that's because of easier demographics. The charter sector is badly in need of reform, and that is why I cannot support any increase in funding without policy changes along with it. I do think teachers should be paid more, but this is the leverage we have.

WTF. Are you for real?? Like there are not bad actors and schools in DCPS who have far, far worst outcomes than charters. Like the middle and high schools operating with single digits percentages of students at grade level?? What the hell accountability is there but to socially promote the kids? What about all the damn new programs every year that DCPS uses consultants and pays millions with no positive outcome. What about the corruption and bloating of central office.

JFC, get off your high horse. There are bad schools in both charter and DCPS and you want to throw out the baby with the bath water. Screw all the kids and schools that are doing good stuff.

Oh for Pete's sake. DCPS sucks, so give us everything we want with no accountability. You could not be more of a cliche with your tired talking points.

Nobody's talking about throwing out the whole charter sector. I simply support more accountability for charters, and believe the city shouldn't provide any additional funding without negotiating for quality improvements. Yes there are problems in DCPS, but they are of a different policy nature, and they don't change my view of this particular charter funding issue.

You ARE talking about it by not increase funding for teachers. Why is that not throwing out charter sector.

You want more accountability? Then do across the board in DCPS and charters. Because you know well that failing schools in DCPS don’t have much accountability either.

Not increasing funding unless there are agreements for changes in return is hardly "throwing out" an entire sector. It's literally the same deal as the WTU makes every time it negotiates a contract. I think that's fine and appropriate for both sectors.

Failing schools in DCPS do have accountability. The city can impose a wide variety of staffing and programmatic changes. It doesn't always work, but there absolutely are lots of things the city and DCPS can and does do to intervene. Not so in charters, where "flexibility" includes freedom to suck, and the PCSB won't do anything unless a school is already failing or there is financial fraud. The PCSB hasn't even tried to impose accountability during COVID-- it's just freedom to suck for a few years I guess.

Oh please. Everywhere in DC was "freedom to suck" during covid.

There is accountability for charters, it is just different accountability. And you can hardly state that whatever accountability is faced at DCPS is actually working. (BTW, DCPS teachers hate their accountability metric. We always here on the board how the teachers don't feel like it measures what matters and that they shouldn't be held to it.)

It's nowhere near enough accountability. We see that when borderline-failing schools are passed along year after year at the PCSB's discretion and financial fraud is uncovered too late to recover. When once-functional schools take a nose dive like Mundo, TR, and SSMA, as well as Hope Tolson which doesn't get much attention here but looks likely to fa. Before that was the high school on NY Ave that failed financially, and Excel when it was a charter, and the Amos schools scandal. Monument had a scandal a few years ago. I'm sure others could list more. Real, effective accountability means intervening before problems become fatal, and having a quality standard that isn't rock bottom low.

LOL you really need to look at some of the DCPS schools, if you want to apply 'accountability' uniformly. I doubt you do.

NP but there have been charters so financially mismanaged that they ran out of money to pay teachers. They just shrugged their shoulders and stopped sending paychecks.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazing how much people argue over pennies in the budget.

Let the charter teachers get paid. Teaching is not easy, doesnt matter where you are.

+1 charter teachers are responsible for teaching almost 50% of the kids in DC.

+1000 and a majority of those kids are low income…

Wow, following this thread and guess adults on here don’t care about the kids in this city. It’s about me, politics, and whatever else.

Not only are almost 1/2 of the kids in charters but over 70% of all these charter kids are black (much higher percentage than DCPS) and almost 50% at risk.

And you wonder why the academic achievements in the city are so abysmal……nobody places them first in this game the adults are playing.

Quite the contrary, it's because I care so much about low income kids that I support more accountability for the charter sector. (I also support reform for DCPS but that's a different set of proposals). There are several charters circling the drain, others that have been given a pass by a lax authorizer for too many years. I am a charter parent myself, but looking at the city overall, we need to acknowledge the performance of many charter schools is not good-- and when it is good, that's because of easier demographics. The charter sector is badly in need of reform, and that is why I cannot support any increase in funding without policy changes along with it. I do think teachers should be paid more, but this is the leverage we have.

WTF. Are you for real?? Like there are not bad actors and schools in DCPS who have far, far worst outcomes than charters. Like the middle and high schools operating with single digits percentages of students at grade level?? What the hell accountability is there but to socially promote the kids? What about all the damn new programs every year that DCPS uses consultants and pays millions with no positive outcome. What about the corruption and bloating of central office.

JFC, get off your high horse. There are bad schools in both charter and DCPS and you want to throw out the baby with the bath water. Screw all the kids and schools that are doing good stuff.

Oh for Pete's sake. DCPS sucks, so give us everything we want with no accountability. You could not be more of a cliche with your tired talking points.

Nobody's talking about throwing out the whole charter sector. I simply support more accountability for charters, and believe the city shouldn't provide any additional funding without negotiating for quality improvements. Yes there are problems in DCPS, but they are of a different policy nature, and they don't change my view of this particular charter funding issue.

You ARE talking about it by not increase funding for teachers. Why is that not throwing out charter sector.

You want more accountability? Then do across the board in DCPS and charters. Because you know well that failing schools in DCPS don’t have much accountability either.

Not increasing funding unless there are agreements for changes in return is hardly "throwing out" an entire sector. It's literally the same deal as the WTU makes every time it negotiates a contract. I think that's fine and appropriate for both sectors.

Failing schools in DCPS do have accountability. The city can impose a wide variety of staffing and programmatic changes. It doesn't always work, but there absolutely are lots of things the city and DCPS can and does do to intervene. Not so in charters, where "flexibility" includes freedom to suck, and the PCSB won't do anything unless a school is already failing or there is financial fraud. The PCSB hasn't even tried to impose accountability during COVID-- it's just freedom to suck for a few years I guess.

Oh please. Everywhere in DC was "freedom to suck" during covid.

There is accountability for charters, it is just different accountability. And you can hardly state that whatever accountability is faced at DCPS is actually working. (BTW, DCPS teachers hate their accountability metric. We always here on the board how the teachers don't feel like it measures what matters and that they shouldn't be held to it.)

It's nowhere near enough accountability. We see that when borderline-failing schools are passed along year after year at the PCSB's discretion and financial fraud is uncovered too late to recover. When once-functional schools take a nose dive like Mundo, TR, and SSMA, as well as Hope Tolson which doesn't get much attention here but looks likely to fa. Before that was the high school on NY Ave that failed financially, and Excel when it was a charter, and the Amos schools scandal. Monument had a scandal a few years ago. I'm sure others could list more. Real, effective accountability means intervening before problems become fatal, and having a quality standard that isn't rock bottom low.

LOL you really need to look at some of the DCPS schools, if you want to apply 'accountability' uniformly. I doubt you do.

The type of accountability is not going to be the same, if that's what you mean, because DCPS has different responsibilities than the charter sector does. DCPS can't just close schools without a plan for where each child will be reassigned-- that "luxury" belongs to the charter sector. But there absolutely are things DCPS can do to hold teachers and school leaders accountable. Such as firing them or giving them bad IMPACT ratings, that's one example.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazing how much people argue over pennies in the budget.

Let the charter teachers get paid. Teaching is not easy, doesnt matter where you are.

+1 charter teachers are responsible for teaching almost 50% of the kids in DC.

+1000 and a majority of those kids are low income…

Wow, following this thread and guess adults on here don’t care about the kids in this city. It’s about me, politics, and whatever else.

Not only are almost 1/2 of the kids in charters but over 70% of all these charter kids are black (much higher percentage than DCPS) and almost 50% at risk.

And you wonder why the academic achievements in the city are so abysmal……nobody places them first in this game the adults are playing.

Quite the contrary, it's because I care so much about low income kids that I support more accountability for the charter sector. (I also support reform for DCPS but that's a different set of proposals). There are several charters circling the drain, others that have been given a pass by a lax authorizer for too many years. I am a charter parent myself, but looking at the city overall, we need to acknowledge the performance of many charter schools is not good-- and when it is good, that's because of easier demographics. The charter sector is badly in need of reform, and that is why I cannot support any increase in funding without policy changes along with it. I do think teachers should be paid more, but this is the leverage we have.

WTF. Are you for real?? Like there are not bad actors and schools in DCPS who have far, far worst outcomes than charters. Like the middle and high schools operating with single digits percentages of students at grade level?? What the hell accountability is there but to socially promote the kids? What about all the damn new programs every year that DCPS uses consultants and pays millions with no positive outcome. What about the corruption and bloating of central office.

JFC, get off your high horse. There are bad schools in both charter and DCPS and you want to throw out the baby with the bath water. Screw all the kids and schools that are doing good stuff.

Oh for Pete's sake. DCPS sucks, so give us everything we want with no accountability. You could not be more of a cliche with your tired talking points.

Nobody's talking about throwing out the whole charter sector. I simply support more accountability for charters, and believe the city shouldn't provide any additional funding without negotiating for quality improvements. Yes there are problems in DCPS, but they are of a different policy nature, and they don't change my view of this particular charter funding issue.

You ARE talking about it by not increase funding for teachers. Why is that not throwing out charter sector.

You want more accountability? Then do across the board in DCPS and charters. Because you know well that failing schools in DCPS don’t have much accountability either.

Not increasing funding unless there are agreements for changes in return is hardly "throwing out" an entire sector. It's literally the same deal as the WTU makes every time it negotiates a contract. I think that's fine and appropriate for both sectors.

Failing schools in DCPS do have accountability. The city can impose a wide variety of staffing and programmatic changes. It doesn't always work, but there absolutely are lots of things the city and DCPS can and does do to intervene. Not so in charters, where "flexibility" includes freedom to suck, and the PCSB won't do anything unless a school is already failing or there is financial fraud. The PCSB hasn't even tried to impose accountability during COVID-- it's just freedom to suck for a few years I guess.

Oh please. Everywhere in DC was "freedom to suck" during covid.

There is accountability for charters, it is just different accountability. And you can hardly state that whatever accountability is faced at DCPS is actually working. (BTW, DCPS teachers hate their accountability metric. We always here on the board how the teachers don't feel like it measures what matters and that they shouldn't be held to it.)

It's nowhere near enough accountability. We see that when borderline-failing schools are passed along year after year at the PCSB's discretion and financial fraud is uncovered too late to recover. When once-functional schools take a nose dive like Mundo, TR, and SSMA, as well as Hope Tolson which doesn't get much attention here but looks likely to fa. Before that was the high school on NY Ave that failed financially, and Excel when it was a charter, and the Amos schools scandal. Monument had a scandal a few years ago. I'm sure others could list more. Real, effective accountability means intervening before problems become fatal, and having a quality standard that isn't rock bottom low.

LOL you really need to look at some of the DCPS schools, if you want to apply 'accountability' uniformly. I doubt you do.

The type of accountability is not going to be the same, if that's what you mean, because DCPS has different responsibilities than the charter sector does. DCPS can't just close schools without a plan for where each child will be reassigned-- that "luxury" belongs to the charter sector. But there absolutely are things DCPS can do to hold teachers and school leaders accountable. Such as firing them or giving them bad IMPACT ratings, that's one example.

In theory but in reality, no. Bad teachers are not fired. Impact scores at certain schools are driven by if you toe the line or not even if what they are doing is not in the best interest of the kids.

You are so Juan’s if you think there is real accountability

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Anonymous wrote:Amazing how much people argue over pennies in the budget.

Let the charter teachers get paid. Teaching is not easy, doesnt matter where you are.

+1 charter teachers are responsible for teaching almost 50% of the kids in DC.

+1000 and a majority of those kids are low income…

Wow, following this thread and guess adults on here don’t care about the kids in this city. It’s about me, politics, and whatever else.

Not only are almost 1/2 of the kids in charters but over 70% of all these charter kids are black (much higher percentage than DCPS) and almost 50% at risk.

And you wonder why the academic achievements in the city are so abysmal……nobody places them first in this game the adults are playing.

Quite the contrary, it's because I care so much about low income kids that I support more accountability for the charter sector. (I also support reform for DCPS but that's a different set of proposals). There are several charters circling the drain, others that have been given a pass by a lax authorizer for too many years. I am a charter parent myself, but looking at the city overall, we need to acknowledge the performance of many charter schools is not good-- and when it is good, that's because of easier demographics. The charter sector is badly in need of reform, and that is why I cannot support any increase in funding without policy changes along with it. I do think teachers should be paid more, but this is the leverage we have.

WTF. Are you for real?? Like there are not bad actors and schools in DCPS who have far, far worst outcomes than charters. Like the middle and high schools operating with single digits percentages of students at grade level?? What the hell accountability is there but to socially promote the kids? What about all the damn new programs every year that DCPS uses consultants and pays millions with no positive outcome. What about the corruption and bloating of central office.

JFC, get off your high horse. There are bad schools in both charter and DCPS and you want to throw out the baby with the bath water. Screw all the kids and schools that are doing good stuff.

Oh for Pete's sake. DCPS sucks, so give us everything we want with no accountability. You could not be more of a cliche with your tired talking points.

Nobody's talking about throwing out the whole charter sector. I simply support more accountability for charters, and believe the city shouldn't provide any additional funding without negotiating for quality improvements. Yes there are problems in DCPS, but they are of a different policy nature, and they don't change my view of this particular charter funding issue.

You ARE talking about it by not increase funding for teachers. Why is that not throwing out charter sector.

You want more accountability? Then do across the board in DCPS and charters. Because you know well that failing schools in DCPS don’t have much accountability either.

Not increasing funding unless there are agreements for changes in return is hardly "throwing out" an entire sector. It's literally the same deal as the WTU makes every time it negotiates a contract. I think that's fine and appropriate for both sectors.

Failing schools in DCPS do have accountability. The city can impose a wide variety of staffing and programmatic changes. It doesn't always work, but there absolutely are lots of things the city and DCPS can and does do to intervene. Not so in charters, where "flexibility" includes freedom to suck, and the PCSB won't do anything unless a school is already failing or there is financial fraud. The PCSB hasn't even tried to impose accountability during COVID-- it's just freedom to suck for a few years I guess.

Oh please. Everywhere in DC was "freedom to suck" during covid.

There is accountability for charters, it is just different accountability. And you can hardly state that whatever accountability is faced at DCPS is actually working. (BTW, DCPS teachers hate their accountability metric. We always here on the board how the teachers don't feel like it measures what matters and that they shouldn't be held to it.)

It's nowhere near enough accountability. We see that when borderline-failing schools are passed along year after year at the PCSB's discretion and financial fraud is uncovered too late to recover. When once-functional schools take a nose dive like Mundo, TR, and SSMA, as well as Hope Tolson which doesn't get much attention here but looks likely to fa. Before that was the high school on NY Ave that failed financially, and Excel when it was a charter, and the Amos schools scandal. Monument had a scandal a few years ago. I'm sure others could list more. Real, effective accountability means intervening before problems become fatal, and having a quality standard that isn't rock bottom low.

LOL you really need to look at some of the DCPS schools, if you want to apply 'accountability' uniformly. I doubt you do.

The type of accountability is not going to be the same, if that's what you mean, because DCPS has different responsibilities than the charter sector does. DCPS can't just close schools without a plan for where each child will be reassigned-- that "luxury" belongs to the charter sector. But there absolutely are things DCPS can do to hold teachers and school leaders accountable. Such as firing them or giving them bad IMPACT ratings, that's one example.

In theory but in reality, no. Bad teachers are not fired. Impact scores at certain schools are driven by if you toe the line or not even if what they are doing is not in the best interest of the kids.

You are so Juan’s if you think there is real accountability

Typo naive.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazing how much people argue over pennies in the budget.

Let the charter teachers get paid. Teaching is not easy, doesnt matter where you are.

+1 charter teachers are responsible for teaching almost 50% of the kids in DC.

+1000 and a majority of those kids are low income…

Wow, following this thread and guess adults on here don’t care about the kids in this city. It’s about me, politics, and whatever else.

Not only are almost 1/2 of the kids in charters but over 70% of all these charter kids are black (much higher percentage than DCPS) and almost 50% at risk.

And you wonder why the academic achievements in the city are so abysmal……nobody places them first in this game the adults are playing.

Quite the contrary, it's because I care so much about low income kids that I support more accountability for the charter sector. (I also support reform for DCPS but that's a different set of proposals). There are several charters circling the drain, others that have been given a pass by a lax authorizer for too many years. I am a charter parent myself, but looking at the city overall, we need to acknowledge the performance of many charter schools is not good-- and when it is good, that's because of easier demographics. The charter sector is badly in need of reform, and that is why I cannot support any increase in funding without policy changes along with it. I do think teachers should be paid more, but this is the leverage we have.

WTF. Are you for real?? Like there are not bad actors and schools in DCPS who have far, far worst outcomes than charters. Like the middle and high schools operating with single digits percentages of students at grade level?? What the hell accountability is there but to socially promote the kids? What about all the damn new programs every year that DCPS uses consultants and pays millions with no positive outcome. What about the corruption and bloating of central office.

JFC, get off your high horse. There are bad schools in both charter and DCPS and you want to throw out the baby with the bath water. Screw all the kids and schools that are doing good stuff.

Oh for Pete's sake. DCPS sucks, so give us everything we want with no accountability. You could not be more of a cliche with your tired talking points.

Nobody's talking about throwing out the whole charter sector. I simply support more accountability for charters, and believe the city shouldn't provide any additional funding without negotiating for quality improvements. Yes there are problems in DCPS, but they are of a different policy nature, and they don't change my view of this particular charter funding issue.

You ARE talking about it by not increase funding for teachers. Why is that not throwing out charter sector.

You want more accountability? Then do across the board in DCPS and charters. Because you know well that failing schools in DCPS don’t have much accountability either.

Not increasing funding unless there are agreements for changes in return is hardly "throwing out" an entire sector. It's literally the same deal as the WTU makes every time it negotiates a contract. I think that's fine and appropriate for both sectors.

Failing schools in DCPS do have accountability. The city can impose a wide variety of staffing and programmatic changes. It doesn't always work, but there absolutely are lots of things the city and DCPS can and does do to intervene. Not so in charters, where "flexibility" includes freedom to suck, and the PCSB won't do anything unless a school is already failing or there is financial fraud. The PCSB hasn't even tried to impose accountability during COVID-- it's just freedom to suck for a few years I guess.

Oh please. Everywhere in DC was "freedom to suck" during covid.

There is accountability for charters, it is just different accountability. And you can hardly state that whatever accountability is faced at DCPS is actually working. (BTW, DCPS teachers hate their accountability metric. We always here on the board how the teachers don't feel like it measures what matters and that they shouldn't be held to it.)

It's nowhere near enough accountability. We see that when borderline-failing schools are passed along year after year at the PCSB's discretion and financial fraud is uncovered too late to recover. When once-functional schools take a nose dive like Mundo, TR, and SSMA, as well as Hope Tolson which doesn't get much attention here but looks likely to fa. Before that was the high school on NY Ave that failed financially, and Excel when it was a charter, and the Amos schools scandal. Monument had a scandal a few years ago. I'm sure others could list more. Real, effective accountability means intervening before problems become fatal, and having a quality standard that isn't rock bottom low.

LOL you really need to look at some of the DCPS schools, if you want to apply 'accountability' uniformly. I doubt you do.

The type of accountability is not going to be the same, if that's what you mean, because DCPS has different responsibilities than the charter sector does. DCPS can't just close schools without a plan for where each child will be reassigned-- that "luxury" belongs to the charter sector. But there absolutely are things DCPS can do to hold teachers and school leaders accountable. Such as firing them or giving them bad IMPACT ratings, that's one example.

In theory but in reality, no. Bad teachers are not fired. Impact scores at certain schools are driven by if you toe the line or not even if what they are doing is not in the best interest of the kids.

You are so Juan’s if you think there is real accountability

I've personally known people who admit to being Impacted out, and also experienced the firing of principals by DCPS, so I do think it happens. Probably not as often as it should.

But also, that's only the beginning of what DCPS can do to impose change on a school. They have quite a bit of influence through the ISs and the budget process, even if it's kind of squishy to describe.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazing how much people argue over pennies in the budget.

Let the charter teachers get paid. Teaching is not easy, doesnt matter where you are.

+1 charter teachers are responsible for teaching almost 50% of the kids in DC.

+1000 and a majority of those kids are low income…

Wow, following this thread and guess adults on here don’t care about the kids in this city. It’s about me, politics, and whatever else.

Not only are almost 1/2 of the kids in charters but over 70% of all these charter kids are black (much higher percentage than DCPS) and almost 50% at risk.

And you wonder why the academic achievements in the city are so abysmal……nobody places them first in this game the adults are playing.

Quite the contrary, it's because I care so much about low income kids that I support more accountability for the charter sector. (I also support reform for DCPS but that's a different set of proposals). There are several charters circling the drain, others that have been given a pass by a lax authorizer for too many years. I am a charter parent myself, but looking at the city overall, we need to acknowledge the performance of many charter schools is not good-- and when it is good, that's because of easier demographics. The charter sector is badly in need of reform, and that is why I cannot support any increase in funding without policy changes along with it. I do think teachers should be paid more, but this is the leverage we have.

WTF. Are you for real?? Like there are not bad actors and schools in DCPS who have far, far worst outcomes than charters. Like the middle and high schools operating with single digits percentages of students at grade level?? What the hell accountability is there but to socially promote the kids? What about all the damn new programs every year that DCPS uses consultants and pays millions with no positive outcome. What about the corruption and bloating of central office.

JFC, get off your high horse. There are bad schools in both charter and DCPS and you want to throw out the baby with the bath water. Screw all the kids and schools that are doing good stuff.

Oh for Pete's sake. DCPS sucks, so give us everything we want with no accountability. You could not be more of a cliche with your tired talking points.

Nobody's talking about throwing out the whole charter sector. I simply support more accountability for charters, and believe the city shouldn't provide any additional funding without negotiating for quality improvements. Yes there are problems in DCPS, but they are of a different policy nature, and they don't change my view of this particular charter funding issue.

You ARE talking about it by not increase funding for teachers. Why is that not throwing out charter sector.

You want more accountability? Then do across the board in DCPS and charters. Because you know well that failing schools in DCPS don’t have much accountability either.

Not increasing funding unless there are agreements for changes in return is hardly "throwing out" an entire sector. It's literally the same deal as the WTU makes every time it negotiates a contract. I think that's fine and appropriate for both sectors.

Failing schools in DCPS do have accountability. The city can impose a wide variety of staffing and programmatic changes. It doesn't always work, but there absolutely are lots of things the city and DCPS can and does do to intervene. Not so in charters, where "flexibility" includes freedom to suck, and the PCSB won't do anything unless a school is already failing or there is financial fraud. The PCSB hasn't even tried to impose accountability during COVID-- it's just freedom to suck for a few years I guess.

NP. You seem delusional. Describing and/or relying on what the city "could" do but simply doesn't makes you seem like a WTU shill, and no someone willing to engage in a good faith discussion on the topic. No clue why anyone is wasting time with you, other than to troll you into looking increasingly silly and transparent.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazing how much people argue over pennies in the budget.

Let the charter teachers get paid. Teaching is not easy, doesnt matter where you are.

+1 charter teachers are responsible for teaching almost 50% of the kids in DC.

+1000 and a majority of those kids are low income…

Wow, following this thread and guess adults on here don’t care about the kids in this city. It’s about me, politics, and whatever else.

Not only are almost 1/2 of the kids in charters but over 70% of all these charter kids are black (much higher percentage than DCPS) and almost 50% at risk.

And you wonder why the academic achievements in the city are so abysmal……nobody places them first in this game the adults are playing.

Quite the contrary, it's because I care so much about low income kids that I support more accountability for the charter sector. (I also support reform for DCPS but that's a different set of proposals). There are several charters circling the drain, others that have been given a pass by a lax authorizer for too many years. I am a charter parent myself, but looking at the city overall, we need to acknowledge the performance of many charter schools is not good-- and when it is good, that's because of easier demographics. The charter sector is badly in need of reform, and that is why I cannot support any increase in funding without policy changes along with it. I do think teachers should be paid more, but this is the leverage we have.

WTF. Are you for real?? Like there are not bad actors and schools in DCPS who have far, far worst outcomes than charters. Like the middle and high schools operating with single digits percentages of students at grade level?? What the hell accountability is there but to socially promote the kids? What about all the damn new programs every year that DCPS uses consultants and pays millions with no positive outcome. What about the corruption and bloating of central office.

JFC, get off your high horse. There are bad schools in both charter and DCPS and you want to throw out the baby with the bath water. Screw all the kids and schools that are doing good stuff.

Oh for Pete's sake. DCPS sucks, so give us everything we want with no accountability. You could not be more of a cliche with your tired talking points.

Nobody's talking about throwing out the whole charter sector. I simply support more accountability for charters, and believe the city shouldn't provide any additional funding without negotiating for quality improvements. Yes there are problems in DCPS, but they are of a different policy nature, and they don't change my view of this particular charter funding issue.

You ARE talking about it by not increase funding for teachers. Why is that not throwing out charter sector.

You want more accountability? Then do across the board in DCPS and charters. Because you know well that failing schools in DCPS don’t have much accountability either.

Not increasing funding unless there are agreements for changes in return is hardly "throwing out" an entire sector. It's literally the same deal as the WTU makes every time it negotiates a contract. I think that's fine and appropriate for both sectors.

Failing schools in DCPS do have accountability. The city can impose a wide variety of staffing and programmatic changes. It doesn't always work, but there absolutely are lots of things the city and DCPS can and does do to intervene. Not so in charters, where "flexibility" includes freedom to suck, and the PCSB won't do anything unless a school is already failing or there is financial fraud. The PCSB hasn't even tried to impose accountability during COVID-- it's just freedom to suck for a few years I guess.

NP. You seem delusional. Describing and/or relying on what the city "could" do but simply doesn't makes you seem like a WTU shill, and no someone willing to engage in a good faith discussion on the topic. No clue why anyone is wasting time with you, other than to troll you into looking increasingly silly and transparent.

Wow, you're such a courteous and respectful human being, we should all follow your example. Good faith discussion indeed.