Ivy League son is graduating next month with a rubbish GPA and no FT job offer

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Anonymous wrote:Have him work beach jobs this summer and get roommates. He should easily make $30,000 - $40,000 for 3-4 months of work with a little hustle. Then he can reevaluate.

Workers at Seacrets make bank.

10,000 a month as a beach lifeguard? What am I missing..

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Anonymous wrote:He also blamed lack of summer internships on Covid, so his resume has practically nothing on it. Is it truly this difficult to land an offer in this uncertain economy, especially this late in the school year, or is he lying to us? Or is he nearly vacant resume as a graduating senior a huge red flag? He said he has submitted his resume to dozens of posts on the college's online job portal but he never gets responses. I have no way of verifying this.

Don't you have any close friends or family that will say that he interned with them??

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Anonymous wrote:He also blamed lack of summer internships on Covid, so his resume has practically nothing on it. Is it truly this difficult to land an offer in this uncertain economy, especially this late in the school year, or is he lying to us? Or is he nearly vacant resume as a graduating senior a huge red flag? He said he has submitted his resume to dozens of posts on the college's online job portal but he never gets responses. I have no way of verifying this.

I have a junior at a midwest flagship who has had internships or jobs every summer including during COVID, and has a job already lined up for after graduation. My child was very pro-active in creating and pursuing these opportunities, and their experience is common for their University.

Just a basis of comparison.

^ same for my senior at UMD. He had a great internship with a b4 last summer, accepted a ft offer to start this fall. Traveling all summer. All of his friends have offers.

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Anonymous wrote:Have him work beach jobs this summer and get roommates. He should easily make $30,000 - $40,000 for 3-4 months of work with a little hustle. Then he can reevaluate.

Workers at Seacrets make bank.

10,000 a month as a beach lifeguard? What am I missing..

I think the beach patrol pays $20 per hour,

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Anonymous wrote:A good friend was like this and spent a year working as a camp counselor at a sleepaway camp and then ski patrol in Colorado. He just really wasn’t sure what to do. Ended up doing a post bac yo get pre med classes and went to med school 2 years after graduation. He now does emergency medicine out west and skis when he’s not working. Seems like a nice life.

Being an ER doctor absolutely sucks. I wouod.never, ever want to do it. Hospitals are chronically under staffed so you have to lie or call in sick to get vacation as a doctor.

Doesn’t sound like you are in any danger of being able to do it. Emergency Medicine does not suck because people choose it because they like it. They can choose from any specialty in medical school and the choose that. People who choose it like the adrenaline, they like doing the high stakes life saving part; they like the pace and the variety, and in most cases they like the lack of committment—no continuity, no follow up, shift work, no call, no phonecalls, no pager after hours. They work 12, 12 hour shifts a month and make $280-300K. Most of them value something else outside of Medicine—skiing, their family, writing a novel, travel, whatever.

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OP why are you being so coy about his major and field? We could give you much better advice if we knew.

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Anonymous wrote:Has he done anything substantive to show interest in his field while in college? Did he do research for a professor? Did he join any professional societies? Intern during the semester anywhere? Work a campus job? A summer job?

It's been 1.5 years since COVID were rolled back. If he has done nothing to sell about himself, he's just lazy.

I'm his mother and I'm not going to disagree with your appraisal. Now that we have that out of the way, how does he get a good job with a practically vacant resume and one month from earning an Ivy League bachelor's degree?

Starbucks or equivelant while he searches for something more substantive.

Why do you keep pushing Starbucks? Have you never heard of temp agencies? Those pay better wages if you have skills and get you into offices where you can make connections.

Exactly what qualifications or experience would make a temp agency want to take this person on?

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Anonymous wrote:Do a year-long intensive Master’s in Accounting, anywhere, preferably in-person. Apply to internships right before starting it. Will lead automatically lead to at least $75k job starting the fall after graduation.

Wouldn't the student need an accounting or finance undergraduate degree ?

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Anonymous wrote:Has he done anything substantive to show interest in his field while in college? Did he do research for a professor? Did he join any professional societies? Intern during the semester anywhere? Work a campus job? A summer job?

It's been 1.5 years since COVID were rolled back. If he has done nothing to sell about himself, he's just lazy.

I'm his mother and I'm not going to disagree with your appraisal. Now that we have that out of the way, how does he get a good job with a practically vacant resume and one month from earning an Ivy League bachelor's degree?

Starbucks or equivelant while he searches for something more substantive.

Why do you keep pushing Starbucks? Have you never heard of temp agencies? Those pay better wages if you have skills and get you into offices where you can make connections.

Exactly what qualifications or experience would make a temp agency want to take this person on?

Any student will have up to date office tech skills.

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Anonymous wrote:Starbucks, McDonalds, Lowes, Home Depot, taking practical classes at a local community college that are designed to train for specific jobs.

Yeah Ivy League grad should definitely go work at Home Depot and attend community college. Jeez it’s like you can’t wait to make this guy a working class prole. Guess what: he has better options he just needs to go get one.

This is the type of attitude that may lead to establishment of a permanent campsite in the parent's basement.

Okay--if honest work at Home Depot or Starbuck's is too pedestrian for an Ivy League grad, try working at a snow ski resort in the Winter & at a beach resort in the Summer. Better ?

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Anonymous wrote:Has he done anything substantive to show interest in his field while in college? Did he do research for a professor? Did he join any professional societies? Intern during the semester anywhere? Work a campus job? A summer job?

It's been 1.5 years since COVID were rolled back. If he has done nothing to sell about himself, he's just lazy.

I'm his mother and I'm not going to disagree with your appraisal. Now that we have that out of the way, how does he get a good job with a practically vacant resume and one month from earning an Ivy League bachelor's degree?

Starbucks or equivelant while he searches for something more substantive.

Why do you keep pushing Starbucks? Have you never heard of temp agencies? Those pay better wages if you have skills and get you into offices where you can make connections.

Exactly what qualifications or experience would make a temp agency want to take this person on?

There are only about 13,000 Ivy League bachelor's degrees minted each year out of about 1.9 million bachelor's nationwide. Of course someone as successful as you ( ) doesn't value an Ivy League degree, the perception it confers, and the rigor and brainpower it takes to get into the college, but many employers do. Some employers want dibs on students from these universities, even raw ones, and will pay a premium for it. These employers pay multiple times more than the $15 an hour Home Depot and Starbucks pay to any high school graduate who shows up for an interview.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.wsj.com/articles/jobs-new-college-graduates-2023-labor-market-openings-7195e28

he’s not alone.

Thanks for sharing this article.

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Anonymous wrote:A good friend was like this and spent a year working as a camp counselor at a sleepaway camp and then ski patrol in Colorado. He just really wasn’t sure what to do. Ended up doing a post bac yo get pre med classes and went to med school 2 years after graduation. He now does emergency medicine out west and skis when he’s not working. Seems like a nice life.

Being an ER doctor absolutely sucks. I wouod.never, ever want to do it. Hospitals are chronically under staffed so you have to lie or call in sick to get vacation as a doctor.

Doesn’t sound like you are in any danger of being able to do it. Emergency Medicine does not suck because people choose it because they like it. They can choose from any specialty in medical school and the choose that. People who choose it like the adrenaline, they like doing the high stakes life saving part; they like the pace and the variety, and in most cases they like the lack of committment—no continuity, no follow up, shift work, no call, no phonecalls, no pager after hours. They work 12, 12 hour shifts a month and make $280-300K. Most of them value something else outside of Medicine—skiing, their family, writing a novel, travel, whatever.

This is my brother. He works 10 days a month and those 10 days he works really hard. Otherwise he travels, skis, hikes, reads, sleeps.
he loves this lifestyle and it fits him perfectly. he works at a hospital with an ER residency program and loves teaching the residents and medical students. They keep him young.

He would hate being a physician in a field where he had to deal with insurance approvals, phone calls, follow-up appointments, and frankly long-term patient relationships.

when ER medicine is a good fit for a person it can be an ideal life.

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Anonymous wrote:nobody cares about GPA. He probably needs to reach outside of his school's "online job portal" whatever that is.

Career portal. I think all colleges have one. It's like a private LinkedIn. Only logged in students can view it and submit covers and resumes to postings. Employers who are a pipeline for the university's graduates post internships and full-time jobs on it. Many of the posting do require a certain GPA; commonly a 3.0 or 3.6.

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Anonymous wrote:Has he done anything substantive to show interest in his field while in college? Did he do research for a professor? Did he join any professional societies? Intern during the semester anywhere? Work a campus job? A summer job?

It's been 1.5 years since COVID were rolled back. If he has done nothing to sell about himself, he's just lazy.

I'm his mother and I'm not going to disagree with your appraisal. Now that we have that out of the way, how does he get a good job with a practically vacant resume and one month from earning an Ivy League bachelor's degree?

Starbucks or equivelant while he searches for something more substantive.

Why do you keep pushing Starbucks? Have you never heard of temp agencies? Those pay better wages if you have skills and get you into offices where you can make connections.

Exactly what qualifications or experience would make a temp agency want to take this person on?

Any student will have up to date office tech skills.

People say that but I have worked with recent college grads who have no clue how to use office technology, both software and hardware.