Why Are Sentences So Light for DUIs That Kill Others?

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly I think our sentences are WAY too long in the US. They used to be 2 years for most crimes and now we have people locked away for 25+ years.

Well the victim’s “sentence” was losing her entire life. Her family will live with this pain way beyond 3.5 years. It’s absurd how we treat people who choose to drink and drive with such kid gloves. Why should they get to go on and live out the rest of their lives as if nothing happened?

Long imprisonments won't bring anyone back.

Neither will a short imprisonment if you don’t want to go to jail don’t break the law. Plus, long sentences may act as deterrent for the next loser who makes a choice to drink and drive.

Long sentences clearly don’t deter crime, otherwise we’d have empty jails.

Long sentences keep dangerous people away from the rest of us. If all it does is keep selfish idiots off the road and away from innocent people I’m cool with that.

Welp, you're paying for it. It's insanely costly to keep people in prison. It isn't as if someone who drove drunk can't be a responsible member of society. They're not some malicious psychopath serial killer, thirsting for blood.

I think DUI murderers are psychopaths and they will happily murder again if given the chance. I support very long sentences for DUIs, so they don’t kill again.

yet the data does not bear out.

[Anonymous]

Brock Turner got 6 months in prison for raping and sodomizing an unconscious woman with a dirty, needle covered pine branch on the ground behind a dumpster, and that was hardly the only time a rapist got a slap on the wrist. This DUI sentence may be inadequate, but at least it shows the crime was taken seriously.

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Driving under the influence is way too common in the US. It’s crazy how many people have several drinks at some backyard bbq in their multimillion dollar homes and then get in the car with their kids. This country simply doesn’t take drunk driving seriously.

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As an alcoholic in recovery for over 20 years, I can sincerely tell you that half of you totally don't get it. Alcoholics will do this again and again until they get long term sobriety. Same and worse with drug addicts. I've been there. Addicts are unable to care about their actions when in the grips of the disease. It's a disease that tells you that you don't have a problem.

Please watch some YouTube videos of dui arrests. See the speed and danger, and how messed up the drivers are. Often with kids in the back seat. It is eye opening. And scary as all get out.

Than attend a funeral for kids hit by an intoxicated driver. Maybe then all your misplaced sympathy and equity concern will turn rightfully towards the victims.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly I think our sentences are WAY too long in the US. They used to be 2 years for most crimes and now we have people locked away for 25+ years.

Well the victim’s “sentence” was losing her entire life. Her family will live with this pain way beyond 3.5 years. It’s absurd how we treat people who choose to drink and drive with such kid gloves. Why should they get to go on and live out the rest of their lives as if nothing happened?

Long imprisonments won't bring anyone back.

Neither will a short imprisonment if you don’t want to go to jail don’t break the law. Plus, long sentences may act as deterrent for the next loser who makes a choice to drink and drive.

Long sentences clearly don’t deter crime, otherwise we’d have empty jails.

Long sentences keep dangerous people away from the rest of us. If all it does is keep selfish idiots off the road and away from innocent people I’m cool with that.

Welp, you're paying for it. It's insanely costly to keep people in prison. It isn't as if someone who drove drunk can't be a responsible member of society. They're not some malicious psychopath serial killer, thirsting for blood.

I think DUI murderers are psychopaths and they will happily murder again if given the chance. I support very long sentences for DUIs, so they don’t kill again.

yet the data does not bear out.

Wrong. The re-offense rates for DUIs are extremely high. The data does in fact bear out the fact they will re-offend. Imprisoning them for long periods stops re-offense for long periods.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As an alcoholic in recovery for over 20 years, I can sincerely tell you that half of you totally don't get it. Alcoholics will do this again and again until they get long term sobriety. Same and worse with drug addicts. I've been there. Addicts are unable to care about their actions when in the grips of the disease. It's a disease that tells you that you don't have a problem.

Please watch some YouTube videos of dui arrests. See the speed and danger, and how messed up the drivers are. Often with kids in the back seat. It is eye opening. And scary as all get out.

Than attend a funeral for kids hit by an intoxicated driver. Maybe then all your misplaced sympathy and equity concern will turn rightfully towards the victims.

I think the poster who is arguing for light sentences is clearly an alcoholic.

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The answer is that people who kill others in a DUI are often white people.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is this only about DUIs? How about if a distracted driver is texting on their phone? Exactly the same disregard and negligence as an inebriated driver. Should people who choose to use devices while driving also be sentenced to much much longer sentences?

Straw man and not applicable to the topic at all.

It's totally applicable. Studies show that texting and driving is as dangerous as drunk driving. But because YOU do it, it's okay, amirite, Mom?

NP. I’m assuming you are a drunkard worried about conviction or married to one who is your meal ticket.

But from my point of view, if it can be conclusively proven that driver distraction killed someone, and there is as much evidence on re-offense rates for driver distraction as there is for DUIs, I would support long sentences for driver distraction too.

Okay, sweetie, here you go: https://www.conradattorneys.com/blog/is-distracted-driving-more-hazardous-than-drink-driving/#:~:text=The%20National%20Highway%20Traffic%20Safety,road%20for%20about%20five%20seconds.

A study by Car and Driver magazine showed that texting and driving is significantly more hazardous than driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol. The study analyzed and compared the length of time it took drivers to react when sober, legally intoxicated (0.08 BAC), sending a text, and reading an email.

The results showed that texting affected the driver’s reaction time the most. As opposed to driving while sober and undistracted, when intoxicated the driver traveled four additional feet before braking, 36 additional feet while reading an email, and 70 more feet when texting.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) reports that driving while texting is six times more dangerous than driving drunk. Reading or sending a text takes your eyes off the road for about five seconds. Although it might not seem like a lot, at 55 mph, it’s the same as driving the length of an entire football field with your eyes closed.

I said data regarding re-offense rates, moron. And stop drinking. Clearly it’s impairing your cognitive abilities.

Uh, this wasn't a response to your post. This was a response to a request for whether it can be conclusively proven that distracted driving kills people. Since it has been found to be 6 times more dangerous than drunk driving, it has been conclusively proven.

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DUIs, minors who kill, mental health excuses. There are a lot of ways killers escape justice. I guess that is why 2nd amendement adherent, militias and vigilantism is on the rise in this country. If my family got injured in any way and the person got away, I don't think I can let that go away. An eye for an eye.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly I think our sentences are WAY too long in the US. They used to be 2 years for most crimes and now we have people locked away for 25+ years.

Well the victim’s “sentence” was losing her entire life. Her family will live with this pain way beyond 3.5 years. It’s absurd how we treat people who choose to drink and drive with such kid gloves. Why should they get to go on and live out the rest of their lives as if nothing happened?

Long imprisonments won't bring anyone back.

Neither will a short imprisonment if you don’t want to go to jail don’t break the law. Plus, long sentences may act as deterrent for the next loser who makes a choice to drink and drive.

Long sentences clearly don’t deter crime, otherwise we’d have empty jails.

Long sentences keep dangerous people away from the rest of us. If all it does is keep selfish idiots off the road and away from innocent people I’m cool with that.

Welp, you're paying for it. It's insanely costly to keep people in prison. It isn't as if someone who drove drunk can't be a responsible member of society. They're not some malicious psychopath serial killer, thirsting for blood.

I think DUI murderers are psychopaths and they will happily murder again if given the chance. I support very long sentences for DUIs, so they don’t kill again.

yet the data does not bear out.

Wrong. The re-offense rates for DUIs are extremely high. The data does in fact bear out the fact they will re-offend. Imprisoning them for long periods stops re-offense for long periods.

Post your data. Otherwise, who TF are you and why should we trust what you say?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sentences should have to do with one thing but only: the threat that a person poses by remaining in society.

Having to live with the guilt of having killed someone is usually a big enough deterrent to doing it again.

For those who lack remorse, self control, or have other issues making them a continued danger to society, they need to be locked up for many years. Maybe forever.

I feel the same way about bail. There should be no such thing as getting bailed out of jail. They are either safe to release, or not. No amount of bail matters, and it’s also not equitable.

For DUIs the bolded isn’t true at all. DUIs have a huge recidivism rate.

They are psychopaths for the most part.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly I think our sentences are WAY too long in the US. They used to be 2 years for most crimes and now we have people locked away for 25+ years.

Well the victim’s “sentence” was losing her entire life. Her family will live with this pain way beyond 3.5 years. It’s absurd how we treat people who choose to drink and drive with such kid gloves. Why should they get to go on and live out the rest of their lives as if nothing happened?

Long imprisonments won't bring anyone back.

Neither will a short imprisonment if you don’t want to go to jail don’t break the law. Plus, long sentences may act as deterrent for the next loser who makes a choice to drink and drive.

Long sentences clearly don’t deter crime, otherwise we’d have empty jails.

Long sentences keep dangerous people away from the rest of us. If all it does is keep selfish idiots off the road and away from innocent people I’m cool with that.

Welp, you're paying for it. It's insanely costly to keep people in prison. It isn't as if someone who drove drunk can't be a responsible member of society. They're not some malicious psychopath serial killer, thirsting for blood.

I think DUI murderers are psychopaths and they will happily murder again if given the chance. I support very long sentences for DUIs, so they don’t kill again.

yet the data does not bear out.

Wrong. The re-offense rates for DUIs are extremely high. The data does in fact bear out the fact they will re-offend. Imprisoning them for long periods stops re-offense for long periods.

Post your data. Otherwise, who TF are you and why should we trust what you say?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2853607/

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly I think our sentences are WAY too long in the US. They used to be 2 years for most crimes and now we have people locked away for 25+ years.

Well the victim’s “sentence” was losing her entire life. Her family will live with this pain way beyond 3.5 years. It’s absurd how we treat people who choose to drink and drive with such kid gloves. Why should they get to go on and live out the rest of their lives as if nothing happened?

Long imprisonments won't bring anyone back.

Neither will a short imprisonment if you don’t want to go to jail don’t break the law. Plus, long sentences may act as deterrent for the next loser who makes a choice to drink and drive.

Long sentences clearly don’t deter crime, otherwise we’d have empty jails.

Long sentences keep dangerous people away from the rest of us. If all it does is keep selfish idiots off the road and away from innocent people I’m cool with that.

Welp, you're paying for it. It's insanely costly to keep people in prison. It isn't as if someone who drove drunk can't be a responsible member of society. They're not some malicious psychopath serial killer, thirsting for blood.

I think DUI murderers are psychopaths and they will happily murder again if given the chance. I support very long sentences for DUIs, so they don’t kill again.

yet the data does not bear out.

Wrong. The re-offense rates for DUIs are extremely high. The data does in fact bear out the fact they will re-offend. Imprisoning them for long periods stops re-offense for long periods.

Post your data. Otherwise, who TF are you and why should we trust what you say?

https://www.nhtsa.gov/sites/nhtsa.gov/files/documents/811991-dwi_recidivism_in_usa-tsf-rn.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly I think our sentences are WAY too long in the US. They used to be 2 years for most crimes and now we have people locked away for 25+ years.

Well the victim’s “sentence” was losing her entire life. Her family will live with this pain way beyond 3.5 years. It’s absurd how we treat people who choose to drink and drive with such kid gloves. Why should they get to go on and live out the rest of their lives as if nothing happened?

Long imprisonments won't bring anyone back.

Neither will a short imprisonment if you don’t want to go to jail don’t break the law. Plus, long sentences may act as deterrent for the next loser who makes a choice to drink and drive.

Long sentences clearly don’t deter crime, otherwise we’d have empty jails.

It doesn’t deter ALL crime, but it absolutely deters some, if not the most.

That's not a position any data supports, including high quality data from countries with much shorter sentences.

I am an immigrant from the country where murderers and pedophiles can get 10, 15 years. Do you really believe that once they are free, they are law abiding citizens? Many kill again including child rapists. Just in my home city I know many cases where people committed heinous crimes once they got free from prison. One of the reasons I immigrated to USA is because I got tired of living in a corrupted, high crime, poor country. And now I am being lectured by a privileged American telling me that murderers would not commit another crime after they murdered someone because “ data doesn’t support it”? This is too funny.

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Anonymous wrote:A second DUI should be life imprisonment with absolutely no possibility of parole.

In VA, it's not even a felony until the 3rd one. Crazy.