Where you go to college doesn’t matter. What you do when you get there does!

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Sorry, but I've personally witnessed job candidates have doors open at the sight of the Ivy name on their resume. In multiple different fields.

The brand value is real, and wishing it weren't so doesn't change reality.

+1

These anecdotes are so dumb to support a subject line like OP's. Logical reasoning failure.

And you're basing your opinion on what data?

I think they’re basing it on OPs stupid post. That’s all the data you need for that conclusion.

[Anonymous]

What you do matters more but so does where you do it. In some cases, T20 gives you a boost, in other you are a big fish in a T100 and get boosted that way. You get to grab a scholarship or internship you couldn't have if you were among lots of high achieving peers.

[Anonymous]

I agree. There are students who go to less prestigious colleges and graduate in 4 years, while conversely, a tiny minority of students at prestigious colleges fail to graduate in 4 years. However, the fact remains that students at top universities are more likely to graduate in 4 years than those at lesser colleges.

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I will say I do think students are not usually well served by going to a super top college and being pre-med. That said, if they were going to drop out of the pre-med track regardless, they are better off dropping pre-med at a super prestigious school.

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Example 2: A neighbor’s daughter is currently a senior at Princeton majoring in Comparative Literature. I would never let my kid major in that. Last winter, I told her that her daughter absolutely needs to find a summer internship before her senior year of college if she wants any hope of being employed after graduation. The mom told me that her daughter didn’t intern—she worked as a summer camp counselor instead. Not surprisingly, she is in February of her senior year of college and still doesn’t have a job offer after graduation.

Seniors in college have job offers by February? Geez.

Not only that, but they make sure the curtain twitcher down the road from mom is the first to know about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Sorry, but I've personally witnessed job candidates have doors open at the sight of the Ivy name on their resume. In multiple different fields.

The brand value is real, and wishing it weren't so doesn't change reality.

+1

These anecdotes are so dumb to support a subject line like OP's. Logical reasoning failure.

And you're basing your opinion on what data?

I think they’re basing it on OPs stupid post. That’s all the data you need for that conclusion.

Not a very scientific outlook, which will lead to a 'garbage in, garbage out' conclusion.

Any company that's hiring simply because someone attended a specific college is not going to be around long.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree. There are students who go to less prestigious colleges and graduate in 4 years, while conversely, a tiny minority of students at prestigious colleges fail to graduate in 4 years. However, the fact remains that students at top universities are more likely to graduate in 4 years than those at lesser colleges.

Because they are more capable, wealthy, well-supported students on average.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I will say I do think students are not usually well served by going to a super top college and being pre-med. That said, if they were going to drop out of the pre-med track regardless, they are better off dropping pre-med at a super prestigious school.

Do you really believe that's true for all of the millions of students in US colleges?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I will say I do think students are not usually well served by going to a super top college and being pre-med. That said, if they were going to drop out of the pre-med track regardless, they are better off dropping pre-med at a super prestigious school.

Do you really believe that's true for all of the millions of students in US colleges?

Most of the millions of students are not pre-med. I do think that pre-meds are usually better off not going to the most competitive college they can get into because that makes it more likely they will get weeded out of the pre-med track. Just think, some kids are inevitably weeded out of pre-med at MIT and Cal Tech. Likely those kids would have stayed pre-med at Virginia Tech and now they would be doctors and no one would care where they went to college. It's like that old joke:
Question: what do you call the person who finished last in their med school class?
Answer: Doctor

It is a bit of a gamble though because some kids would have been weeded out of pre-med (or just changed their minds) no matter where they went.

[Anonymous]

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Example 2: A neighbor’s daughter is currently a senior at Princeton majoring in Comparative Literature. I would never let my kid major in that. Last winter, I told her that her daughter absolutely needs to find a summer internship before her senior year of college if she wants any hope of being employed after graduation. The mom told me that her daughter didn’t intern—she worked as a summer camp counselor instead. Not surprisingly, she is in February of her senior year of college and still doesn’t have a job offer after graduation.

Although I agree an internship would be preferable to the camp counselor job which seems to have not connection to her education and abilities, maybe she will apply to PhD programs in Comp Lit and be happy and successful in academia someday. I think you should stop being so judgy of other people's kids.
Also, the MIT grad could also get into a variety of grad programs, do well in them I am sure, and then apply to Med school again. Life is long.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will say I do think students are not usually well served by going to a super top college and being pre-med. That said, if they were going to drop out of the pre-med track regardless, they are better off dropping pre-med at a super prestigious school.

Do you really believe that's true for all of the millions of students in US colleges?

Most of the millions of students are not pre-med. I do think that pre-meds are usually better off not going to the most competitive college they can get into because that makes it more likely they will get weeded out of the pre-med track. Just think, some kids are inevitably weeded out of pre-med at MIT and Cal Tech. Likely those kids would have stayed pre-med at Virginia Tech and now they would be doctors and no one would care where they went to college. It's like that old joke:
Question: what do you call the person who finished last in their med school class?
Answer: Doctor

It is a bit of a gamble though because some kids would have been weeded out of pre-med (or just changed their minds) no matter where they went.

excellent point and a good reminded to know where your doctor went to undergrad....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I genuinely don’t understand the obsession on this board over the Ivies and prestige. Where you go to college doesn’t matter. It’s what you do when you get there that matters most!

I live in a suburb of the DMV that is “DCUM MC” (most families around me have a HHI ~$300-400k — enough for the upper middle class basics, but not enough for our kids to take rely on us when they’re adults). I’ve seen SO many kids go to elite schools and then flail after graduation because they made the wrong moves in college.

Example 1: A neighbor’s son graduated from MIT recently as a Bio major. He had a low GPA due to MIT’s intense, tough courses. Got shut out of every med school he applied to and now is working a minimum wage lab tech job.

Example 2: A

So, pray tell, where did you go to college and what do you do? It must be an unbelievable success story for you to be so self-righteous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will say I do think students are not usually well served by going to a super top college and being pre-med. That said, if they were going to drop out of the pre-med track regardless, they are better off dropping pre-med at a super prestigious school.

Do you really believe that's true for all of the millions of students in US colleges?

Most of the millions of students are not pre-med. I do think that pre-meds are usually better off not going to the most competitive college they can get into because that makes it more likely they will get weeded out of the pre-med track. Just think, some kids are inevitably weeded out of pre-med at MIT and Cal Tech. Likely those kids would have stayed pre-med at Virginia Tech and now they would be doctors and no one would care where they went to college. It's like that old joke:
Question: what do you call the person who finished last in their med school class?
Answer: Doctor

It is a bit of a gamble though because some kids would have been weeded out of pre-med (or just changed their minds) no matter where they went.

excellent point and a good reminded to know where your doctor went to undergrad....

No, who cares. If they didn’t go to a Third World medical school, and they passed their boards, you’re good.

[Anonymous]

It matters as far as assortative mating goes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It matters as far as assortative mating goes.

What’s wrong with a Banneker Key scholar from UMD marrying another Banneker Key scholar?