Would you send an atheist/non religious student to a Catholic university?

[Anonymous]

I will never understand the constant obsession with getting the perceived benefits of a Catholic education while attempting to avoid even the barest hint of religious influence, or even demanding that such influences be removed.

Catholic schools are Catholic. Period. Full stop. They may present themselves as more or less influenced by Catholic tradition, or at this or that point on what some people perceive to be the “spectrum” of Catholic belief, but underlying all of it is the philosophical, theological, spiritual and cultural influence of the Catholic faith.

If a person finds the Faith and/or the expression or influence thereof abhorrent or even distasteful, they should go somewhere that is not Catholic. It is pointless for them to go into an environment where their close-minded sensibilities will be constantly assaulted by objective truths they are unable or refuse to digest.

Catholicism is not (despite the grave misunderstanding of many of its putative practitioners) a buffet. Is is a coherent body of belief exegeted over millennia. The vast majority of its detractors don’t have the slightest idea about what they are attacking, but can’t fathom investigating further and finding out they are wrong.

If somebody wants to go to a university to have their existing anti-religious beliefs accepted without question and reinforced, a Catholic college is no place for them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.ncregister.com/cna/catholic-university-of-america-unintentional-abortion-coverage-for-students-was-not-used

Catholic University apologized for erroneously providing health care coverage for abortions in the case of rape or incest, or in the event the mother's life was endangered.

They promise to change that.

Where do jesuits fall on this?

Or the usage of birth control?

Birth control is not available at most Jesuit university student health services. So yes, if your kid attends, you need to expect to go off campus for that. Beyond that and there being a cross on the wall in dorms/buildings, you don't really see that much Religious aspects at the school

As a Jesuit once observed to me: “no, we don’t provide birth control; we don’t provide Buicks either.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why do you refuse to accept that these schools are affiliated with the Church as a whole?

You can't completely separate the two. There are different levels, yes, but Jesuit is still affiliated with the Church.

You may not see it so much in the academics, but there are still going to things that pop up that are based in religious beliefs that might affect student life. Whether those are enough to turn someone away, that is their call.

They are not permitted to acknowledge this. But it's fine.

I'm entitled to my choice and how I spend my money, regardless of what other people think of it. People just don't like it when they are reminded of certain things: gender inequality, history of pedophilia, to name just two.

Those who want to go are free to do so. But, some of the hysterical ones and name-callers are just another example of why I wont support it. Preaching the value of Christian education while acting that way . . . no thank you. I've seen enough of that to know that, even with the plenty of well-intentioned, good people who are Christian that I know, the ones that aren't and who use their religion as a weapon are enough to turn me off. They speak for the rest of them, or at the very least, drown them out.

OK, the bolded is where you offensively cross the line from the stating your opinion about colleges to bigotry and misinformation. Can't you see that?

Misinformation? I was told AT PRE CANA that I was not permitted to be a "cafeteria catholic" and that adherence to Catholic teaching and the hierarchy of the Church and its rules was required. This was an explicit statement made to my face less than 20 years ago. Blind acceptance was required.

So, no, it's not misinformation.

[Anonymous]

hey, 12:25 - many of us who aren't planning to send our kids to catholic colleges, no matter how catholic-lite, are former catholics and/or products of catholic schools ourselves

For example, I was born into a catholic family (my parents have since declared themselves atheists and my grandma stopped giving money to the church after the pedophilia scandal came out), was baptized and went through communion. I attended CCD classes for many years. I attended a Catholic HS, although it was NOT for the religion but the academics.

My child and I have decided to avoid religious colleges for any number of reasons. That is our choice.

And I'm not demanding the colleges change. We're choosing not to consider them as they are who they are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I will never understand the constant obsession with getting the perceived benefits of a Catholic education while attempting to avoid even the barest hint of religious influence, or even demanding that such influences be removed.

Catholic schools are Catholic. Period. Full stop. They may present themselves as more or less influenced by Catholic tradition, or at this or that point on what some people perceive to be the “spectrum” of Catholic belief, but underlying all of it is the philosophical, theological, spiritual and cultural influence of the Catholic faith.

If a person finds the Faith and/or the expression or influence thereof abhorrent or even distasteful, they should go somewhere that is not Catholic. It is pointless for them to go into an environment where their close-minded sensibilities will be constantly assaulted by objective truths they are unable or refuse to digest.

Catholicism is not (despite the grave misunderstanding of many of its putative practitioners) a buffet. Is is a coherent body of belief exegeted over millennia. The vast majority of its detractors don’t have the slightest idea about what they are attacking, but can’t fathom investigating further and finding out they are wrong.

If somebody wants to go to a university to have their existing anti-religious beliefs accepted without question and reinforced, a Catholic college is no place for them.

As a buffet Catholic, and DS having Boston College very high on his college list, I disagree with much of what you've written and find your post to be out of touch with reality.
As an example, Boston College, at the info/tour, tried very hard to be inclusive of every kid, faith, race, etc etc. A Jewish student led the student panel and he only mentioned his faith when a parent specifically asked if non-Catholics would feel excluded. A large percentage of the more popular Jesuit colleges are filled with non-Catholics and pick-n-choose Catholics like my family.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.ncregister.com/cna/catholic-university-of-america-unintentional-abortion-coverage-for-students-was-not-used

Catholic University apologized for erroneously providing health care coverage for abortions in the case of rape or incest, or in the event the mother's life was endangered.

They promise to change that.

Where do jesuits fall on this?

Or the usage of birth control?

Birth control is not available at most Jesuit university student health services. So yes, if your kid attends, you need to expect to go off campus for that. Beyond that and there being a cross on the wall in dorms/buildings, you don't really see that much Religious aspects at the school

As a Jesuit once observed to me: “no, we don’t provide birth control; we don’t provide Buicks either.”

So essentially, a Jesuit compared healthcare to a brand of automobile.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do you refuse to accept that these schools are affiliated with the Church as a whole?

You can't completely separate the two. There are different levels, yes, but Jesuit is still affiliated with the Church.

You may not see it so much in the academics, but there are still going to things that pop up that are based in religious beliefs that might affect student life. Whether those are enough to turn someone away, that is their call.

They are not permitted to acknowledge this. But it's fine.

I'm entitled to my choice and how I spend my money, regardless of what other people think of it. People just don't like it when they are reminded of certain things: gender inequality, history of pedophilia, to name just two.

Those who want to go are free to do so. But, some of the hysterical ones and name-callers are just another example of why I wont support it. Preaching the value of Christian education while acting that way . . . no thank you. I've seen enough of that to know that, even with the plenty of well-intentioned, good people who are Christian that I know, the ones that aren't and who use their religion as a weapon are enough to turn me off. They speak for the rest of them, or at the very least, drown them out.

OK, the bolded is where you offensively cross the line from the stating your opinion about colleges to bigotry and misinformation. Can't you see that?

Misinformation? I was told AT PRE CANA that I was not permitted to be a "cafeteria catholic" and that adherence to Catholic teaching and the hierarchy of the Church and its rules was required. This was an explicit statement made to my face less than 20 years ago. Blind acceptance was required.

So, no, it's not misinformation.

That doesn't seem related to your allegation that there is something Catholics are "not permitted to acknowledge." Which is straight up bogus nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will never understand the constant obsession with getting the perceived benefits of a Catholic education while attempting to avoid even the barest hint of religious influence, or even demanding that such influences be removed.

Catholic schools are Catholic. Period. Full stop. They may present themselves as more or less influenced by Catholic tradition, or at this or that point on what some people perceive to be the “spectrum” of Catholic belief, but underlying all of it is the philosophical, theological, spiritual and cultural influence of the Catholic faith.

If a person finds the Faith and/or the expression or influence thereof abhorrent or even distasteful, they should go somewhere that is not Catholic. It is pointless for them to go into an environment where their close-minded sensibilities will be constantly assaulted by objective truths they are unable or refuse to digest.

Catholicism is not (despite the grave misunderstanding of many of its putative practitioners) a buffet. Is is a coherent body of belief exegeted over millennia. The vast majority of its detractors don’t have the slightest idea about what they are attacking, but can’t fathom investigating further and finding out they are wrong.

If somebody wants to go to a university to have their existing anti-religious beliefs accepted without question and reinforced, a Catholic college is no place for them.

As a buffet Catholic, and DS having Boston College very high on his college list, I disagree with much of what you've written and find your post to be out of touch with reality.
As an example, Boston College, at the info/tour, tried very hard to be inclusive of every kid, faith, race, etc etc. A Jewish student led the student panel and he only mentioned his faith when a parent specifically asked if non-Catholics would feel excluded. A large percentage of the more popular Jesuit colleges are filled with non-Catholics and pick-n-choose Catholics like my family.

As are many Catholic colleges and schools generally. They exist to teach because they are Catholic, not because the students are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will never understand the constant obsession with getting the perceived benefits of a Catholic education while attempting to avoid even the barest hint of religious influence, or even demanding that such influences be removed.

Catholic schools are Catholic. Period. Full stop. They may present themselves as more or less influenced by Catholic tradition, or at this or that point on what some people perceive to be the “spectrum” of Catholic belief, but underlying all of it is the philosophical, theological, spiritual and cultural influence of the Catholic faith.

If a person finds the Faith and/or the expression or influence thereof abhorrent or even distasteful, they should go somewhere that is not Catholic. It is pointless for them to go into an environment where their close-minded sensibilities will be constantly assaulted by objective truths they are unable or refuse to digest.

Catholicism is not (despite the grave misunderstanding of many of its putative practitioners) a buffet. Is is a coherent body of belief exegeted over millennia. The vast majority of its detractors don’t have the slightest idea about what they are attacking, but can’t fathom investigating further and finding out they are wrong.

If somebody wants to go to a university to have their existing anti-religious beliefs accepted without question and reinforced, a Catholic college is no place for them.

As a buffet Catholic, and DS having Boston College very high on his college list, I disagree with much of what you've written and find your post to be out of touch with reality.
As an example, Boston College, at the info/tour, tried very hard to be inclusive of every kid, faith, race, etc etc. A Jewish student led the student panel and he only mentioned his faith when a parent specifically asked if non-Catholics would feel excluded. A large percentage of the more popular Jesuit colleges are filled with non-Catholics and pick-n-choose Catholics like my family.

As are many Catholic colleges and schools generally. They exist to teach because they are Catholic, not because the students are.

Catholic colleges "exist to teach because they are Catholic"? My 16 yrs of Catholic education are failing me because I have no idea what this means.

[Anonymous]

I’m the “catholic only when it benefits me” but the Catholic atrocities happened 2 minutes ago. Probably currently.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will never understand the constant obsession with getting the perceived benefits of a Catholic education while attempting to avoid even the barest hint of religious influence, or even demanding that such influences be removed.

Catholic schools are Catholic. Period. Full stop. They may present themselves as more or less influenced by Catholic tradition, or at this or that point on what some people perceive to be the “spectrum” of Catholic belief, but underlying all of it is the philosophical, theological, spiritual and cultural influence of the Catholic faith.

If a person finds the Faith and/or the expression or influence thereof abhorrent or even distasteful, they should go somewhere that is not Catholic. It is pointless for them to go into an environment where their close-minded sensibilities will be constantly assaulted by objective truths they are unable or refuse to digest.

Catholicism is not (despite the grave misunderstanding of many of its putative practitioners) a buffet. Is is a coherent body of belief exegeted over millennia. The vast majority of its detractors don’t have the slightest idea about what they are attacking, but can’t fathom investigating further and finding out they are wrong.

If somebody wants to go to a university to have their existing anti-religious beliefs accepted without question and reinforced, a Catholic college is no place for them.

As a buffet Catholic, and DS having Boston College very high on his college list, I disagree with much of what you've written and find your post to be out of touch with reality.
As an example, Boston College, at the info/tour, tried very hard to be inclusive of every kid, faith, race, etc etc. A Jewish student led the student panel and he only mentioned his faith when a parent specifically asked if non-Catholics would feel excluded. A large percentage of the more popular Jesuit colleges are filled with non-Catholics and pick-n-choose Catholics like my family.

You don’t comprehend the subtleties.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will never understand the constant obsession with getting the perceived benefits of a Catholic education while attempting to avoid even the barest hint of religious influence, or even demanding that such influences be removed.

Catholic schools are Catholic. Period. Full stop. They may present themselves as more or less influenced by Catholic tradition, or at this or that point on what some people perceive to be the “spectrum” of Catholic belief, but underlying all of it is the philosophical, theological, spiritual and cultural influence of the Catholic faith.

If a person finds the Faith and/or the expression or influence thereof abhorrent or even distasteful, they should go somewhere that is not Catholic. It is pointless for them to go into an environment where their close-minded sensibilities will be constantly assaulted by objective truths they are unable or refuse to digest.

Catholicism is not (despite the grave misunderstanding of many of its putative practitioners) a buffet. Is is a coherent body of belief exegeted over millennia. The vast majority of its detractors don’t have the slightest idea about what they are attacking, but can’t fathom investigating further and finding out they are wrong.

If somebody wants to go to a university to have their existing anti-religious beliefs accepted without question and reinforced, a Catholic college is no place for them.

As a buffet Catholic, and DS having Boston College very high on his college list, I disagree with much of what you've written and find your post to be out of touch with reality.
As an example, Boston College, at the info/tour, tried very hard to be inclusive of every kid, faith, race, etc etc. A Jewish student led the student panel and he only mentioned his faith when a parent specifically asked if non-Catholics would feel excluded. A large percentage of the more popular Jesuit colleges are filled with non-Catholics and pick-n-choose Catholics like my family.

You don’t comprehend the subtleties.

Like what?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.ncregister.com/cna/catholic-university-of-america-unintentional-abortion-coverage-for-students-was-not-used

Catholic University apologized for erroneously providing health care coverage for abortions in the case of rape or incest, or in the event the mother's life was endangered.

They promise to change that.

Where do jesuits fall on this?

Or the usage of birth control?

Birth control is not available at most Jesuit university student health services. So yes, if your kid attends, you need to expect to go off campus for that. Beyond that and there being a cross on the wall in dorms/buildings, you don't really see that much Religious aspects at the school

As a Jesuit once observed to me: “no, we don’t provide birth control; we don’t provide Buicks either.”

So essentially, a Jesuit compared healthcare to a brand of automobile.

Most Jesuit universities are in areas with a Planned Parenthood within 3-4 blocks---why? because most Jesuit universities are in some of the "needier" areas of the city, that's the whole premise is to be in the areas that need their service the most. So there are plenty of options available for kids to get birth control, as well as regular healthcare. Most are in medium to large cities, so there are easy options with regular medical facilities within 1 mile. Don't know about you, but I rarely used student health services on my campus and neither have either of my kids, as it's damn near impossible to get an appt when you need it. So plenty of options for kids, from PP (if you don't have good insurance) to regular medical centers that take your insurance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.ncregister.com/cna/catholic-university-of-america-unintentional-abortion-coverage-for-students-was-not-used

Catholic University apologized for erroneously providing health care coverage for abortions in the case of rape or incest, or in the event the mother's life was endangered.

They promise to change that.

Where do jesuits fall on this?

Or the usage of birth control?

Birth control is not available at most Jesuit university student health services. So yes, if your kid attends, you need to expect to go off campus for that. Beyond that and there being a cross on the wall in dorms/buildings, you don't really see that much Religious aspects at the school

As a Jesuit once observed to me: “no, we don’t provide birth control; we don’t provide Buicks either.”

So essentially, a Jesuit compared healthcare to a brand of automobile.

Most Jesuit universities are in areas with a Planned Parenthood within 3-4 blocks---why? because most Jesuit universities are in some of the "needier" areas of the city, that's the whole premise is to be in the areas that need their service the most. So there are plenty of options available for kids to get birth control, as well as regular healthcare. Most are in medium to large cities, so there are easy options with regular medical facilities within 1 mile. Don't know about you, but I rarely used student health services on my campus and neither have either of my kids, as it's damn near impossible to get an appt when you need it. So plenty of options for kids, from PP (if you don't have good insurance) to regular medical centers that take your insurance.

Ok. But they don't give out birth control because it is sinful. That is not the reason they are not giving out buicks. Not a sin to drive a Buick as far as I know.

[Anonymous]

I don't need DD's college to provide birth control, because our insurance company will mail it to her or send it to a local CVS. I don't see lack of birth control at the school to be an issue. Now if DD needed the morning after pill or an early abortion and that wasn't available to her by a local doc or in the nearby hospital, that's a problem. And that's why BC is on the list but not UT or UF of UA or any other red state school.