Would you send an atheist/non religious student to a Catholic university?

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Anonymous wrote:An increasingly progressive Jesuit University has a large Muslim prayer space and inaugurated it’s first woman President this month. She’s already reversed some of the old school rules. Both female and male students are hyped. Students are now allowed to have overnight guests. The previous President is a Jesuit and an amazing person. Also fairly progressive. He retired. Students gave him an incredible send off. They honor him with a meme account on social media.

Most students are not religious, but still visit the University Chapel because it’s beautiful. That being said, “Campus Ministry welcomes students of many different faith traditions as well as students of no faith tradition. We collaborate with students of the many faith-based student clubs, such as the Christian Fellowship, the Jewish Student Organization, the Muslim Student Association, and the Orthodox Christian Fellowship. Without question, one’s faith is a great gift of God that must be respected and nourished. We encourage students to learn more about their own faith tradition by examining its teachings and values in an academic yet very personal way. We work with individuals and student groups to offer Interfaith programming that help students learn from one another about their various traditions. We abide by the principles of religious freedom that protect the rights of individuals to practice their own religion and not to be unduly harassed by members of another religion. In this way, we wish to safeguard the freedom of all our students. We welcome all of our students and hope that the richness of spiritual and religious traditions is a blessing to all of us.”

As far as birth control, this school doesn’t provide condoms! I’m sure this will change soon, although campus is urban with access to everything. Most colleges offer Aetna for health insurance. Not sure if non catholic colleges offer birth control pills or Plan B through the health office. Student government is very active, well supported, and have accomplished quite a lot.

It is not progressive to allow others freedom of religion. It’s also NOT PROGRESSIVE to have a women president.

Birth control - yes, plan b no

https://www.aetnastudenthealth.com/schools/2021_Advanced_Control_Plan_Aetna_.pdf

Here is an example how other schools deal with it… free condoms, tampons, dental dams, EDUCATION , etc.

https://www.bu.edu/cgsa/resources/health-2/

Then please do not apply to the Catholic colleges which don't give away condoms. You'll be fine and we'll have less competition.

Exactly. DD will skip ND more because of the lack of abortion care in the state. But she can find a CVS and a health provider in Boston just fine. If your DD can’t, then I wouldn’t apply.

Great! My DD really wants ND and she is pro life. So we are glad you are choosing another school.

we're all pro life
no one's anti-life

Well I guess it depends on how you define life then. I'll leave it at that.

On DCUM, a fetus isn’t viable until it is admitted to one of the "Big 3”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:An increasingly progressive Jesuit University has a large Muslim prayer space and inaugurated it’s first woman President this month. She’s already reversed some of the old school rules. Both female and male students are hyped. Students are now allowed to have overnight guests. The previous President is a Jesuit and an amazing person. Also fairly progressive. He retired. Students gave him an incredible send off. They honor him with a meme account on social media.

Most students are not religious, but still visit the University Chapel because it’s beautiful. That being said, “Campus Ministry welcomes students of many different faith traditions as well as students of no faith tradition. We collaborate with students of the many faith-based student clubs, such as the Christian Fellowship, the Jewish Student Organization, the Muslim Student Association, and the Orthodox Christian Fellowship. Without question, one’s faith is a great gift of God that must be respected and nourished. We encourage students to learn more about their own faith tradition by examining its teachings and values in an academic yet very personal way. We work with individuals and student groups to offer Interfaith programming that help students learn from one another about their various traditions. We abide by the principles of religious freedom that protect the rights of individuals to practice their own religion and not to be unduly harassed by members of another religion. In this way, we wish to safeguard the freedom of all our students. We welcome all of our students and hope that the richness of spiritual and religious traditions is a blessing to all of us.”

As far as birth control, this school doesn’t provide condoms! I’m sure this will change soon, although campus is urban with access to everything. Most colleges offer Aetna for health insurance. Not sure if non catholic colleges offer birth control pills or Plan B through the health office. Student government is very active, well supported, and have accomplished quite a lot.

It is not progressive to allow others freedom of religion. It’s also NOT PROGRESSIVE to have a women president.

Birth control - yes, plan b no

https://www.aetnastudenthealth.com/schools/2021_Advanced_Control_Plan_Aetna_.pdf

Here is an example how other schools deal with it… free condoms, tampons, dental dams, EDUCATION , etc.

https://www.bu.edu/cgsa/resources/health-2/

Then please do not apply to the Catholic colleges which don't give away condoms. You'll be fine and we'll have less competition.

Exactly. DD will skip ND more because of the lack of abortion care in the state. But she can find a CVS and a health provider in Boston just fine. If your DD can’t, then I wouldn’t apply.

Great! My DD really wants ND and she is pro life. So we are glad you are choosing another school.

Then she would support women getting healthcare they need.

If She is pro forced birth, ND is great. Go death penalty!

Lou holtz the patron saint if ND is a racist.

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Anonymous wrote:An increasingly progressive Jesuit University has a large Muslim prayer space and inaugurated it’s first woman President this month. She’s already reversed some of the old school rules. Both female and male students are hyped. Students are now allowed to have overnight guests. The previous President is a Jesuit and an amazing person. Also fairly progressive. He retired. Students gave him an incredible send off. They honor him with a meme account on social media.

Most students are not religious, but still visit the University Chapel because it’s beautiful. That being said, “Campus Ministry welcomes students of many different faith traditions as well as students of no faith tradition. We collaborate with students of the many faith-based student clubs, such as the Christian Fellowship, the Jewish Student Organization, the Muslim Student Association, and the Orthodox Christian Fellowship. Without question, one’s faith is a great gift of God that must be respected and nourished. We encourage students to learn more about their own faith tradition by examining its teachings and values in an academic yet very personal way. We work with individuals and student groups to offer Interfaith programming that help students learn from one another about their various traditions. We abide by the principles of religious freedom that protect the rights of individuals to practice their own religion and not to be unduly harassed by members of another religion. In this way, we wish to safeguard the freedom of all our students. We welcome all of our students and hope that the richness of spiritual and religious traditions is a blessing to all of us.”

As far as birth control, this school doesn’t provide condoms! I’m sure this will change soon, although campus is urban with access to everything. Most colleges offer Aetna for health insurance. Not sure if non catholic colleges offer birth control pills or Plan B through the health office. Student government is very active, well supported, and have accomplished quite a lot.

It is not progressive to allow others freedom of religion. It’s also NOT PROGRESSIVE to have a women president.

Birth control - yes, plan b no

https://www.aetnastudenthealth.com/schools/2021_Advanced_Control_Plan_Aetna_.pdf

Here is an example how other schools deal with it… free condoms, tampons, dental dams, EDUCATION , etc.

https://www.bu.edu/cgsa/resources/health-2/

Then please do not apply to the Catholic colleges which don't give away condoms. You'll be fine and we'll have less competition.

Exactly. DD will skip ND more because of the lack of abortion care in the state. But she can find a CVS and a health provider in Boston just fine. If your DD can’t, then I wouldn’t apply.

Great! My DD really wants ND and she is pro life. So we are glad you are choosing another school.

Then she would support women getting healthcare they need.

If She is pro forced birth, ND is great. Go death penalty!

Lou holtz the patron saint if ND is a racist.

You can disagree with the Catholic church's stance on abortion, but the rest of your post is inaccurate drivel

Notre Dame has a lot of very active anti-death penalty activities on campus, given that being against the death penalty is a fundamental pillar of being pro-life. Per the Catechism: "the Church teaches, in the light of the Gospel, that “the death penalty is inadmissible because it is an attack on the inviolability and dignity of the person”, and she works with determination for its abolition worldwide."

As for MAGA idiot Lou Holtz, this was the President of ND's statement after Lou spoke for Trump and against Biden:
"While Coach Lou Holtz is a former coach at Notre Dame, his use of the University’s name at the Republican National Convention must not be taken to imply that the University endorses his views, any candidate or any political party," Jenkins said.
And Holtz's attack on former Vice President Biden's faith drew a rebuke from Jenkins.
"Moreover, we Catholics should remind ourselves that while we may judge the objective moral quality of another’s actions, we must never question the sincerity of another’s faith, which is due to the mysterious working of grace in that person’s heart," Jenkins said.


I know a lot of people want to assume Catholics are simply right-wing conservatives (and for sure - some are!) but the complexity of Catholic social teaching, especially as implemented in colleges, is far more complex than any political party.

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Anti-death penalty is about the only stance of the Church that I agree with

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Anonymous wrote:Depends on what school. Georgetown? Yes. Notes Dame? No

Yes, I think it depends on the school. I was at Georgetown in the 70s - a long time ago - so take this story with a grain of salt. But I went there to study in what was then a separate language school (which seemed so cool at the time) and I was an atheist. I ended up moving to the College and majoring in theology (a required course at GU along with philosophy) because I learned that religion was really about creating cultural symbols to understand and get closer to a feeling of sacredness. (My theology profs were pretty progressive!) I realized that I had assumed I was an atheist because I didn't fit into any mainstream religions. So, still not a Christian, but not an atheist either. But yes I don't know if I would encourage my kid to go to a different Catholic school.

[Anonymous]

Of course I would send my child to a Catholic college.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:An increasingly progressive Jesuit University has a large Muslim prayer space and inaugurated it’s first woman President this month. She’s already reversed some of the old school rules. Both female and male students are hyped. Students are now allowed to have overnight guests. The previous President is a Jesuit and an amazing person. Also fairly progressive. He retired. Students gave him an incredible send off. They honor him with a meme account on social media.

Most students are not religious, but still visit the University Chapel because it’s beautiful. That being said, “Campus Ministry welcomes students of many different faith traditions as well as students of no faith tradition. We collaborate with students of the many faith-based student clubs, such as the Christian Fellowship, the Jewish Student Organization, the Muslim Student Association, and the Orthodox Christian Fellowship. Without question, one’s faith is a great gift of God that must be respected and nourished. We encourage students to learn more about their own faith tradition by examining its teachings and values in an academic yet very personal way. We work with individuals and student groups to offer Interfaith programming that help students learn from one another about their various traditions. We abide by the principles of religious freedom that protect the rights of individuals to practice their own religion and not to be unduly harassed by members of another religion. In this way, we wish to safeguard the freedom of all our students. We welcome all of our students and hope that the richness of spiritual and religious traditions is a blessing to all of us.”

As far as birth control, this school doesn’t provide condoms! I’m sure this will change soon, although campus is urban with access to everything. Most colleges offer Aetna for health insurance. Not sure if non catholic colleges offer birth control pills or Plan B through the health office. Student government is very active, well supported, and have accomplished quite a lot.

It is not progressive to allow others freedom of religion. It’s also NOT PROGRESSIVE to have a women president.

Birth control - yes, plan b no

https://www.aetnastudenthealth.com/schools/2021_Advanced_Control_Plan_Aetna_.pdf

Here is an example how other schools deal with it… free condoms, tampons, dental dams, EDUCATION , etc.

https://www.bu.edu/cgsa/resources/health-2/

Then please do not apply to the Catholic colleges which don't give away condoms. You'll be fine and we'll have less competition.

Exactly. DD will skip ND more because of the lack of abortion care in the state. But she can find a CVS and a health provider in Boston just fine. If your DD can’t, then I wouldn’t apply.

Great! My DD really wants ND and she is pro life. So we are glad you are choosing another school.

Then she would support women getting healthcare they need.

If She is pro forced birth, ND is great. Go death penalty!

Lou holtz the patron saint if ND is a racist.

You can disagree with the Catholic church's stance on abortion, but the rest of your post is inaccurate drivel

Notre Dame has a lot of very active anti-death penalty activities on campus, given that being against the death penalty is a fundamental pillar of being pro-life. Per the Catechism: "the Church teaches, in the light of the Gospel, that “the death penalty is inadmissible because it is an attack on the inviolability and dignity of the person”, and she works with determination for its abolition worldwide."

As for MAGA idiot Lou Holtz, this was the President of ND's statement after Lou spoke for Trump and against Biden:
"While Coach Lou Holtz is a former coach at Notre Dame, his use of the University’s name at the Republican National Convention must not be taken to imply that the University endorses his views, any candidate or any political party," Jenkins said.
And Holtz's attack on former Vice President Biden's faith drew a rebuke from Jenkins.
"Moreover, we Catholics should remind ourselves that while we may judge the objective moral quality of another’s actions, we must never question the sincerity of another’s faith, which is due to the mysterious working of grace in that person’s heart," Jenkins said.


I know a lot of people want to assume Catholics are simply right-wing conservatives (and for sure - some are!) but the complexity of Catholic social teaching, especially as implemented in colleges, is far more complex than any political party.

This is so very accurate...thank you for taking the time to write this. I hope those who were bashing our faith are reading.

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Anonymous wrote:An increasingly progressive Jesuit University has a large Muslim prayer space and inaugurated it’s first woman President this month. She’s already reversed some of the old school rules. Both female and male students are hyped. Students are now allowed to have overnight guests. The previous President is a Jesuit and an amazing person. Also fairly progressive. He retired. Students gave him an incredible send off. They honor him with a meme account on social media.

Most students are not religious, but still visit the University Chapel because it’s beautiful. That being said, “Campus Ministry welcomes students of many different faith traditions as well as students of no faith tradition. We collaborate with students of the many faith-based student clubs, such as the Christian Fellowship, the Jewish Student Organization, the Muslim Student Association, and the Orthodox Christian Fellowship. Without question, one’s faith is a great gift of God that must be respected and nourished. We encourage students to learn more about their own faith tradition by examining its teachings and values in an academic yet very personal way. We work with individuals and student groups to offer Interfaith programming that help students learn from one another about their various traditions. We abide by the principles of religious freedom that protect the rights of individuals to practice their own religion and not to be unduly harassed by members of another religion. In this way, we wish to safeguard the freedom of all our students. We welcome all of our students and hope that the richness of spiritual and religious traditions is a blessing to all of us.”

As far as birth control, this school doesn’t provide condoms! I’m sure this will change soon, although campus is urban with access to everything. Most colleges offer Aetna for health insurance. Not sure if non catholic colleges offer birth control pills or Plan B through the health office. Student government is very active, well supported, and have accomplished quite a lot.

It is not progressive to allow others freedom of religion. It’s also NOT PROGRESSIVE to have a women president.

Birth control - yes, plan b no

https://www.aetnastudenthealth.com/schools/2021_Advanced_Control_Plan_Aetna_.pdf

Here is an example how other schools deal with it… free condoms, tampons, dental dams, EDUCATION , etc.

https://www.bu.edu/cgsa/resources/health-2/

Then please do not apply to the Catholic colleges which don't give away condoms. You'll be fine and we'll have less competition.

Exactly. DD will skip ND more because of the lack of abortion care in the state. But she can find a CVS and a health provider in Boston just fine. If your DD can’t, then I wouldn’t apply.

Great! My DD really wants ND and she is pro life. So we are glad you are choosing another school.

we're all pro life
no one's anti-life

Well I guess it depends on how you define life then. I'll leave it at that.

On DCUM, a fetus isn’t viable until it is admitted to one of the "Big 3”

I really must learn to set down my coffee cup before reading DCUM

[Anonymous]

So many people who bash Catholicism and Catholic schools simply don't know anything about it, and they prove it over and over again in these threads with massive amounts is misinformation.

If you are under the impression, for example, that ACB is representative of Catholic women generally, you have no clue what you are talking about.

If you think a former football coach speaks for all Catholics and has a more accurate "Catholic position" than all the Democrat Catholics in government right now, you have no idea what you are talking about.

You probably also didn't know that Catholic Democrats in government outnumber Republican Catholics more than 2:1. Catholicism is not a political party.

You probably also mistakenly think Catholics are creationists and Biblical literalists, and didn't know the the Big Bang theory was first articulated and taught by a Catholic priest.

Or you believe the entirety of Catholicism is the the incredibly difficult and divisive theological debate about human sexual morality and the definition and role of sin in human life, which has been debated since time began and will continue to be debated for eternity. And you probably don't realize that the discussion continues within the Church as well as outside of it.

[Anonymous]

Thing is, how do you know the college won’t go ahead and bill your insurance (read: parents’ insurance) ? This was my massive issue at UIUC in the 1990s. I hope things have changed with HIPPA in place!

Things have changed in the last two decades. HIPPA is strictly adhered to unless student and parents/guardians have notarized documents assigning them as medical proxies et al. Not sure how college health offices manage billing, but it is 2022. Parents generally expect their young adults are having sex or trying to have sex in college and using protection and bc. Maybe the strict conservative sectors (all religions not just Catholic) follow different protocol, but these are adult children who make the decision to abstain or not. Students at Jesuit institutions in blue states aren’t facing the dilemma that’s happening in red states. I completely understand why students aren’t applying to red state colleges, let alone Catholic colleges, in this current environment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:An increasingly progressive Jesuit University has a large Muslim prayer space and inaugurated it’s first woman President this month. She’s already reversed some of the old school rules. Both female and male students are hyped. Students are now allowed to have overnight guests. The previous President is a Jesuit and an amazing person. Also fairly progressive. He retired. Students gave him an incredible send off. They honor him with a meme account on social media.

Most students are not religious, but still visit the University Chapel because it’s beautiful. That being said, “Campus Ministry welcomes students of many different faith traditions as well as students of no faith tradition. We collaborate with students of the many faith-based student clubs, such as the Christian Fellowship, the Jewish Student Organization, the Muslim Student Association, and the Orthodox Christian Fellowship. Without question, one’s faith is a great gift of God that must be respected and nourished. We encourage students to learn more about their own faith tradition by examining its teachings and values in an academic yet very personal way. We work with individuals and student groups to offer Interfaith programming that help students learn from one another about their various traditions. We abide by the principles of religious freedom that protect the rights of individuals to practice their own religion and not to be unduly harassed by members of another religion. In this way, we wish to safeguard the freedom of all our students. We welcome all of our students and hope that the richness of spiritual and religious traditions is a blessing to all of us.”

As far as birth control, this school doesn’t provide condoms! I’m sure this will change soon, although campus is urban with access to everything. Most colleges offer Aetna for health insurance. Not sure if non catholic colleges offer birth control pills or Plan B through the health office. Student government is very active, well supported, and have accomplished quite a lot.

It is not progressive to allow others freedom of religion. It’s also NOT PROGRESSIVE to have a women president.

Birth control - yes, plan b no

https://www.aetnastudenthealth.com/schools/2021_Advanced_Control_Plan_Aetna_.pdf

Here is an example how other schools deal with it… free condoms, tampons, dental dams, EDUCATION , etc.

https://www.bu.edu/cgsa/resources/health-2/

Then please do not apply to the Catholic colleges which don't give away condoms. You'll be fine and we'll have less competition.

Exactly. DD will skip ND more because of the lack of abortion care in the state. But she can find a CVS and a health provider in Boston just fine. If your DD can’t, then I wouldn’t apply.

Great! My DD really wants ND and she is pro life. So we are glad you are choosing another school.

we're all pro life
no one's anti-life

Well I guess it depends on how you define life then. I'll leave it at that.

Yes it does. I don't force you or your DD to agree with my definition and I want the same respect from you and your Dad for me and my family.

[Anonymous]

...same respect from you and your DD*.....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So many people who bash Catholicism and Catholic schools simply don't know anything about it, and they prove it over and over again in these threads with massive amounts is misinformation.

If you are under the impression, for example, that ACB is representative of Catholic women generally, you have no clue what you are talking about.

If you think a former football coach speaks for all Catholics and has a more accurate "Catholic position" than all the Democrat Catholics in government right now, you have no idea what you are talking about.

You probably also didn't know that Catholic Democrats in government outnumber Republican Catholics more than 2:1. Catholicism is not a political party.

You probably also mistakenly think Catholics are creationists and Biblical literalists, and didn't know the the Big Bang theory was first articulated and taught by a Catholic priest.

Or you believe the entirety of Catholicism is the the incredibly difficult and divisive theological debate about human sexual morality and the definition and role of sin in human life, which has been debated since time began and will continue to be debated for eternity. And you probably don't realize that the discussion continues within the Church as well as outside of it.

Such a long post listing multiple ways known Catholics are terrible, add in degrades-long known sex abuse and known position of abortion and contraception, and you’ve provided absolutely zero information. It’s like you’re writing for the opposing team.

[Anonymous]

There are two different issues being discussed here at the same time: 1) the teachings of the Catholic Church on reproductive health and related matters; and 2) access to reproductive health care at campus health centers. The two things overlap at a Catholic institution when the contents of category 1) encounter the clientele of category 2).

Let's back up one step here and think through the general qualities of campus health centers. Mileage varies significantly: there is a big, huge difference between what is available on a large, wealthy campus that includes (for example) a teaching hospital or medical school and what is available on the campus of a small, cash-strapped liberal-arts college.

If your student will probably never want or need whatever their campus health center can provide ( = they will use parents' insurance, or they will see providers off campus, or both), then whatever that health center offers is largely immaterial to college choice except when it comes to dire emergencies or personal beliefs.

If your student will depend even in part on the campus health center, this matters in a completely different way. And reproductive care then becomes one piece of a larger puzzle: is that health center a comprehensive enough place to care for all of your student's important health needs? If a student will have to leave campus anyway to get (for example) more complex allergy treatment or the right psychiatrist, then they might also find it OK to leave for reproductive care that reaches beyond the boundaries of the teaching of the Catholic Church. Or they might not.

[Anonymous]

My favorite philosophy professor was an atheist with two degrees from Jesuit institutions. He said he was more challenged to think by Jesuits than he had been by public schools.