Alito jokes about foreign reaction to his Dobbs decision

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Anonymous wrote:Context matters. Instead of simply reading the article go to the primary source.
Watch the speech. It was funny, self deprecating and intelligent regardless of one’s political views.
Understanding your adversary’s viewpoint and arguments is invaluable.
Such a lack of intellectual curiosity on DCUM.

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This is true of liberals in general today. Or, I should say, "leftists." Because these people are not at all liberal in the traditional sense of the word.
They protest, shout down, and cancel conservative speakers in law schools, med schools, and universities in general. The mere presence of an opposing view on issues is now viewed as harmful under the new rules that have taken hold of higher education.

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I watched the entire thing. What an intelligent - and brave - person.

I am unaware of any liberal effort to dictate the teaching of certain topics, or to ban and remove books from public libraries.

Best meme ever:

Who is opposed to anyone learning about the Civil Rights movement? You realize it's taught in all schools, right? And why on earth are you veering so far off-topic?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:At the end of the day religious people are always going to feel strange having to cope with cognitive dissonance. They buy into weird stuff. Like Bronze Age stuff. A talking bush. A flood killing everyone and an arc with a bunch of animals. They have to lie to themselves to believe it. Or they get indoctrinated at birth and it’s easier to believe.

These people now control the Supreme Court.

It’s still irrational. They are not acting out of neutrality in these cases.

Please tell me you understand that 99% of religious people do not think any of the things you list are literal, especially Catholics and Episcopalians and Jews. If you are are basing your argument against an opposing point of view on a gross misunderstanding, you already lost. Please educate yourself so you can actually be a force for good in these debates. As soon as you say something ignorant like "ooh they believe a burning bush talked," you are dismissed as an ignoramus.

Oh, okay. That makes sense. For a second I thought they might believe in some fantastical sht, but your anecdotal evidence, 99% statistic, and assuming I am “grossly misunderstanding” everything clears it all up.

So you don’t believe Jesus is the son of God who died for our sins? Was there a flood? Or is that a story? Did Cane kill able? Was water tuned into wine?

What sensible part of it all am I grossly misunderstanding? That’s always the argument when someone says anything critical about religion; “you have no idea! You can’t begin to image what it’s about as a non-believer. You’re not qualified to talk about it!!!!”

Actually, we all are. Your Christian beliefs, and those of the ones on the Supreme Court, have clearly been shown to affect agnostics, non-believers and even the believers of other religions. Like Jewish people, who don’t believe abortion is a sin, but that the mothers life takes precedence.

Studies have shown that many atheists understand the Bible better than Christians.

At the end of the day, this impetus to blur or end line between church and state is only exacerbating a widening chasm. Religious folks are simply scared of losing power and have packed the court, or fallen for Christian nationalism, or are generally much more active in their attempts these days to foist their particular religion upon everyone else. Look at abortion. This is a religiously motivated thing they have done. Now women can’t get proper health care. Little girls like that 10 year old who had to feel Indiana are in jeopardy.

You are are arguing with someone who agrees with you on these issues, but who also can tell you are arguing from a place of weakness and ignorance about the religions you are screeching about. It doesn't help when you are objectivly wrong and mocking in your tone at the same time. Yes, Genesis, the burning bush, and flood are stories. Most of the bible is. Some of it is poetry. Some of it is attempts to recount genealogy and history, which in itself included a retelling of stories. Some of it is letters. All of it is translation upon translation. The number of religious sects who are Bible literalists is minisicule and not at all mainstream. This is the primary fallacy of so many people who mock religions: to assume everyone is a biblical literalist. When you attack by saying "they buy into weird stuff," you are the one being a literalist, and you are the one who sounds ignorant. Theology is the study of what is available, while people search for truths and insight into life and how best to live. It is much debated within and among religions and constantly evolving. At its very base, it's philosophy at its highest intellectual level coupled with the belief that there is a reason for existence.

Well said. But there's no way the PP has the bandwidth to comprehend your rational words. No way at all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:+100
This is true of liberals in general today. Or, I should say, "leftists." Because these people are not at all liberal in the traditional sense of the word.
They protest, shout down, and cancel conservative speakers in law schools, med schools, and universities in general. The mere presence of an opposing view on issues is now viewed as harmful under the new rules that have taken hold of higher education.

Just a tip: Every time I hear one of you use the word "leftist" and broadly painting everyone to the left of you with fringe behavior like that of some isolated incident on some campus somewhere I immediately picture you as an unhinged person frothing at the mouth needing psychiatric intervention. No better than those who call everyone "Nazi" at the drop of a hat.

Dial it down.

DP. And do you tell your fellow liberals to "dial it down" when they froth at the mouth, ranting about the GOP being a bunch of "Nazis"? Almost every single thread on this forum devolves into that - I don't recall ever seeing you pop up to tell them to dial it down. Until you're willing to call out the idiot name callers in your own party, you can take a seat along with your fellow hypocrites. Just a tip.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Context matters. Instead of simply reading the article go to the primary source.
Watch the speech. It was funny, self deprecating and intelligent regardless of one’s political views.
Understanding your adversary’s viewpoint and arguments is invaluable.
Such a lack of intellectual curiosity on DCUM.

+100
This is true of liberals in general today. Or, I should say, "leftists." Because these people are not at all liberal in the traditional sense of the word.
They protest, shout down, and cancel conservative speakers in law schools, med schools, and universities in general. The mere presence of an opposing view on issues is now viewed as harmful under the new rules that have taken hold of higher education.

+200
I watched the entire thing. What an intelligent - and brave - person.

I am unaware of any liberal effort to dictate the teaching of certain topics, or to ban and remove books from public libraries.

Is this satire? YLS ring any bells?

You could go to virtually any university and find examples of conservative professors being marginalized for the way they teach certain topics. In many cases, those conservative professors never get a foot in the door to teach.

Yes - something that is abhorrent and needs to change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Context matters. Instead of simply reading the article go to the primary source.
Watch the speech. It was funny, self deprecating and intelligent regardless of one’s political views.
Understanding your adversary’s viewpoint and arguments is invaluable.
Such a lack of intellectual curiosity on DCUM.

+100
This is true of liberals in general today. Or, I should say, "leftists." Because these people are not at all liberal in the traditional sense of the word.
They protest, shout down, and cancel conservative speakers in law schools, med schools, and universities in general. The mere presence of an opposing view on issues is now viewed as harmful under the new rules that have taken hold of higher education.

+200
I watched the entire thing. What an intelligent - and brave - person.

I am unaware of any liberal effort to dictate the teaching of certain topics, or to ban and remove books from public libraries.

Is this satire? YLS ring any bells?

You could go to virtually any university and find examples of conservative professors being marginalized for the way they teach certain topics. In many cases, those conservative professors never get a foot in the door to teach.

Yes - something that is abhorrent and needs to change.

Examples?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Context matters. Instead of simply reading the article go to the primary source.
Watch the speech. It was funny, self deprecating and intelligent regardless of one’s political views.
Understanding your adversary’s viewpoint and arguments is invaluable.
Such a lack of intellectual curiosity on DCUM.

+100
This is true of liberals in general today. Or, I should say, "leftists." Because these people are not at all liberal in the traditional sense of the word.
They protest, shout down, and cancel conservative speakers in law schools, med schools, and universities in general. The mere presence of an opposing view on issues is now viewed as harmful under the new rules that have taken hold of higher education.

+200
I watched the entire thing. What an intelligent - and brave - person.

I am unaware of any liberal effort to dictate the teaching of certain topics, or to ban and remove books from public libraries.

Is this satire? YLS ring any bells?

You could go to virtually any university and find examples of conservative professors being marginalized for the way they teach certain topics. In many cases, those conservative professors never get a foot in the door to teach.

But this isn’t “liberals” or “leftists” trying to to ban conservative thinking through the engine of the state legislature- it is just people deciding that certain behaviors and actions are not acceptable or what they want. If I am a student at a university and I don’t want someone who has said something racist teaching there I should be entitled to express that opinion. I think sometimes students take things too far but that is my opinion and is up for the administration to decide on how it wants its school to be run

I don’t think I have ever heard anyone who rails against cancel culture expressing distaste of the way that Liberty University or other theologically-based universities are run or the fact that the lean right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Context matters. Instead of simply reading the article go to the primary source.
Watch the speech. It was funny, self deprecating and intelligent regardless of one’s political views.
Understanding your adversary’s viewpoint and arguments is invaluable.
Such a lack of intellectual curiosity on DCUM.

You’re judging “lack of intellectual curiosity” while defending the guy who wants to control women with a storybook about a magical sky man and his zombie “son?”

No. I’m not because news flash- THE DOBBS DECISION HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION.
Everyone needs to get a grip and argue their position on the legal/constitutional merits.
Disagree but don’t be disagreeable.

It’s all about religion.

And to the person worrying about Christians becoming hated…why yes, they are already.

DP. If you actually think Dobbs had anything to do with religion, you're more ignorant than previously thought.

Forced birthers like you have lost touch with reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Context matters. Instead of simply reading the article go to the primary source.
Watch the speech. It was funny, self deprecating and intelligent regardless of one’s political views.
Understanding your adversary’s viewpoint and arguments is invaluable.
Such a lack of intellectual curiosity on DCUM.

You’re judging “lack of intellectual curiosity” while defending the guy who wants to control women with a storybook about a magical sky man and his zombie “son?”

No. I’m not because news flash- THE DOBBS DECISION HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION.
Everyone needs to get a grip and argue their position on the legal/constitutional merits.
Disagree but don’t be disagreeable.

It’s all about religion.

And to the person worrying about Christians becoming hated…why yes, they are already.

DP. If you actually think Dobbs had anything to do with religion, you're more ignorant than previously thought.

It’s about ramming “Christian” beliefs down our throats. That’s why Alito and ACB are on the court. Same thing with the Kennedy case, if that football coach had been Muslim, they would have laughed him out of the Court.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Context matters. Instead of simply reading the article go to the primary source.
Watch the speech. It was funny, self deprecating and intelligent regardless of one’s political views.
Understanding your adversary’s viewpoint and arguments is invaluable.
Such a lack of intellectual curiosity on DCUM.

You’re judging “lack of intellectual curiosity” while defending the guy who wants to control women with a storybook about a magical sky man and his zombie “son?”

No. I’m not because news flash- THE DOBBS DECISION HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION.
Everyone needs to get a grip and argue their position on the legal/constitutional merits.
Disagree but don’t be disagreeable.

It’s all about religion.

And to the person worrying about Christians becoming hated…why yes, they are already.

DP. If you actually think Dobbs had anything to do with religion, you're more ignorant than previously thought.

It’s about ramming “Christian” beliefs down our throats. That’s why Alito and ACB are on the court. Same thing with the Kennedy case, if that football coach had been Muslim, they would have laughed him out of the Court.

The forced birthers believe that everyone should be Christianist like they are. They believe that their religion is the default and any deviation from that is aberrant, so forcing people to live by their rules isn’t religious. They’re wrong, of course, but that’s what they believe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Context matters. Instead of simply reading the article go to the primary source.
Watch the speech. It was funny, self deprecating and intelligent regardless of one’s political views.
Understanding your adversary’s viewpoint and arguments is invaluable.
Such a lack of intellectual curiosity on DCUM.

+100
This is true of liberals in general today. Or, I should say, "leftists." Because these people are not at all liberal in the traditional sense of the word.
They protest, shout down, and cancel conservative speakers in law schools, med schools, and universities in general. The mere presence of an opposing view on issues is now viewed as harmful under the new rules that have taken hold of higher education.

+200
I watched the entire thing. What an intelligent - and brave - person.

I am unaware of any liberal effort to dictate the teaching of certain topics, or to ban and remove books from public libraries.

Best meme ever:

Who is opposed to anyone learning about the Civil Rights movement? You realize it's taught in all schools, right? And why on earth are you veering so far off-topic?

Florida and Texas and Virginia want to teach it from the white point of view: Racial discrimination ended in the 1960s. No Black perspective allowed.

[Anonymous]

I pray that those who are anti abortion will have all that they deserve.

However the Fates decide that.....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I pray that those who are anti abortion will have all that they deserve.

However the Fates decide that.....

Me too. May they reap what they sow.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am listening to the whole speech.

I am stunned at 23:00 when he makes a reference to Moloch and say that no society today would tolerate the sacrifice of its children. When we do that all the time. Unbelievable.

https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2012/12/15/our-moloch/

Can we please stop pretending that these people are better than us. Please.

Some societies literally used to sacrifice children

"The screams of children have been edited out."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:+100
This is true of liberals in general today. Or, I should say, "leftists." Because these people are not at all liberal in the traditional sense of the word.
They protest, shout down, and cancel conservative speakers in law schools, med schools, and universities in general. The mere presence of an opposing view on issues is now viewed as harmful under the new rules that have taken hold of higher education.

Just a tip: Every time I hear one of you use the word "leftist" and broadly painting everyone to the left of you with fringe behavior like that of some isolated incident on some campus somewhere I immediately picture you as an unhinged person frothing at the mouth needing psychiatric intervention. No better than those who call everyone "Nazi" at the drop of a hat.

Dial it down.

DP. And do you tell your fellow liberals to "dial it down" when they froth at the mouth, ranting about the GOP being a bunch of "Nazis"? Almost every single thread on this forum devolves into that - I don't recall ever seeing you pop up to tell them to dial it down. Until you're willing to call out the idiot name callers in your own party, you can take a seat along with your fellow hypocrites. Just a tip.

Every thread? Not every thread I'm on. Not even remotely. But maybe every thread you're on - because in large part of your own vicious, divisive and hyperbolic language that perhaps actually does make you look like some kind of a Nazi?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Context matters. Instead of simply reading the article go to the primary source.
Watch the speech. It was funny, self deprecating and intelligent regardless of one’s political views.
Understanding your adversary’s viewpoint and arguments is invaluable.
Such a lack of intellectual curiosity on DCUM.

+100
This is true of liberals in general today. Or, I should say, "leftists." Because these people are not at all liberal in the traditional sense of the word.
They protest, shout down, and cancel conservative speakers in law schools, med schools, and universities in general. The mere presence of an opposing view on issues is now viewed as harmful under the new rules that have taken hold of higher education.

+200
I watched the entire thing. What an intelligent - and brave - person.

I am unaware of any liberal effort to dictate the teaching of certain topics, or to ban and remove books from public libraries.

Is this satire? YLS ring any bells?

You could go to virtually any university and find examples of conservative professors being marginalized for the way they teach certain topics. In many cases, those conservative professors never get a foot in the door to teach.

But this isn’t “liberals” or “leftists” trying to to ban conservative thinking through the engine of the state legislature- it is just people deciding that certain behaviors and actions are not acceptable or what they want. If I am a student at a university and I don’t want someone who has said something racist teaching there I should be entitled to express that opinion. I think sometimes students take things too far but that is my opinion and is up for the administration to decide on how it wants its school to be run

I don’t think I have ever heard anyone who rails against cancel culture expressing distaste of the way that Liberty University or other theologically-based universities are run or the fact that the lean right.

Exactly this. Along with the fact that there are very few conservatives who even go into university teaching in the first place. No surprise either, as conservatives these days attack education, attack higher degrees, and attack universities. Why would any conservative *want* to go into a field that his conservative compatriots demonize nonstop?