For those of you who were so scared of the CRT bogeyman

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t it boogie man?

Someone asked the same thing earlier. Apparently "classically trained" people realize that the British use one "o".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/07/09/controversy-teachers-dumbest-colleges/

“Hillsdale College — which Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas called “a shining city on a hill” and which hired his activist wife, Ginni Thomas, to help establish a full-time presence in the nation’s capital — has became an important force in that movement under the leadership of Arnn, who has allied himself with former president Donald Trump. The college has helped launch dozens of “classical” charter schools across the country (Hillsdale doesn’t own or operate the schools but trains faculty and staff and shares curriculum) — and, now, at Lee’s invitation, Hillsdale is helping to open at least 50 charter schools in Tennessee. Charter schools are publicly funded but privately operated.”

“The charter schools use a Hillsdale K-12 curriculum that is centered on Western civilization and designed to help “students acquire a mature love for America.” A Hillsdale K-12 civics and U.S. history curriculum released last year extols conservative values, attacks progressive ones and distorts civil rights history, saying, for example: “The civil rights movement was almost immediately turned into programs that ran counter to the lofty ideals of the Founders.” Hillsdale College itself offers a “classical liberal arts core” to its students; the website lists more than 30 authors and thinkers that students will encounter — nearly all of them White men”

While there is still not a single K-12 school that teaches CRT, conservatives are openly attacking education and rewriting history. On one hand, I’m impressed they were able to make Dems out as CRT monsters while they were the ones doing the actual manipulating of history. On the other, I’m so embarrassed for my friends and fellow voters in VA that fell for it.

You’re awfully grumpy about mere alternatives to government school.

If you’re so grumpy about the race and sex of the authors and thinkers they are using, you should similarly be grumpy that so many people from around the world keep validating the worth of countries founded by people of that same race and sex by constantly moving to those places and raising families in them.

Chill out, most kids in America (founded by white males) go to government schools (the father of which is a white male) are taught in English (grammatical structure formalized by white males)

You can’t get away from white male foundational structure in America.chill out.

Not for long.

White men are so 20th century.

You can’t change who founded the country,

Ironically the much-maligned (rightfully criticized) men who founded it enshrined thoughts of judging people as individuals and not members of groups, laying the groundwork and principles that make it a place where people of all colors countries races and religions come to for the purpose of leading a better life, assured equality under the law.

Try going to any number of (particularly) non Western countries and see how far you get thinking you have the same rights privileges and respect as the foundational populations that have been there for centuries.

It’s more than a little ironic that argument against the legitimacy of racism works so well against white westerners (most racist and terrible people ever supposedly) such that they would allow the peoples they hate so much and view as so inferior the same rights to own land and businesses, wield political power and immigrate in such numbers that white people have been predicted to be a minority for decades, indeed they may already be in the under 35 age group.

[Anonymous]

Anyway, no matter how multi ethnic America is and gets there’s no changing who founded it.

The best the “white people are out of style” folk can do is completely destroy the country down to the roots, no more constitution no more bill of rights


And then Build Back Better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anyway, no matter how multi ethnic America is and gets there’s no changing who founded it.

The best the “white people are out of style” folk can do is completely destroy the country down to the roots, no more constitution no more bill of rights


And then Build Back Better.

Perhaps these folks could organize and found a commune type of situation with their belief systems. It would be an enlightening experiment and I would love to see the outcomes. But, I suspect this would never happen because they are more interested in tearing things down rather than create something meaningful. If anyone knows of any such studies, please share.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Question for you, OP:

- is Kendi a CRT activist, or not?

Simple question, OP. Is he or is he not?

DP
Who is Kendi?

ES Teacher

Ibram X. Kendi is an author and professor whose work is prominent in how progressives view racism today. He is a leader in the Anti-racism movement, and his work is influential in DEI thought and initiatives. He authored the book "Stamped from the Beginning" which is read in some schools.

According to Kendi there is no such thing as a non-racist. You are either a racist or an anti-racist. There is no middle ground. You are either actively confronting racial inequality or allowing it to exist through action or inaction. You are a racist by doing nothing.

Kendi defines racism as any policy that creates inequitable outcomes between people of different skin colors. For example, magnet school admissions policies are racist when black and Latino/Hispanic students are underrepresented. Kendi would say you are a racist if you do not work to change admission policies that lead to black and Latino/Hispanic underrepresentation. On the other hand, affirmative action in college admissions is anti-racist in that it is designed to remedy past racial discrimination.

[Anonymous]

Maga morons

CRT not taught in one classroom in the US. All those who voted for Youngkin for this issue. You are so stupid.

Everyone can go online and find your curriculum you should have done this before voting it literally takes 5 min.

We all know MAGA is stupid. The dumbing down of America lining the pockets of the GOP like Betsey DeVos.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok so this is really I Hate Youngkin thread that OP started.

Ok half a year down and 3.5 to go. If he is lucky at least one thing he campaigned on besides masks will actually be passed in that time frame. And while he might make headway on charter schools, don’t worry, parents in Alex and Arl can still continue to send their kids to sub par schools for years. Especially Alexandria. My kid was in K when they started the whole we need a new high school! Now my kid is in high school - new. high school is not even close LOL!

Given what a complete disaster the democrats have been in running NOVA schools, no one can blame any Virginia parent for voting R last election.

The thing is: Virginia democrats seemed to have learned nothing from the last election.

Just look at OP, who created a thread just to defend CRT and CRT-like indoctrination in local public schools.

You go right on doing what your doing, OP.

The issue wasn't so much CRT but changes in policy like TJ admission, where the BOE got rid of loopholes that some were using to game admission. This was apparently unpopular with some groups because it provided admission for more low-income and students of color . Hard to believe this is still true in 2022 but it does.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Question for you, OP:

- is Kendi a CRT activist, or not?

Simple question, OP. Is he or is he not?

DP
Who is Kendi?

ES Teacher

Ibram X. Kendi is an author and professor whose work is prominent in how progressives view racism today. He is a leader in the Anti-racism movement, and his work is influential in DEI thought and initiatives. He authored the book "Stamped from the Beginning" which is read in some schools.

According to Kendi there is no such thing as a non-racist. You are either a racist or an anti-racist. There is no middle ground. You are either actively confronting racial inequality or allowing it to exist through action or inaction. You are a racist by doing nothing.

Kendi defines racism as any policy that creates inequitable outcomes between people of different skin colors. For example, magnet school admissions policies are racist when black and Latino/Hispanic students are underrepresented. Kendi would say you are a racist if you do not work to change admission policies that lead to black and Latino/Hispanic underrepresentation. On the other hand, affirmative action in college admissions is anti-racist in that it is designed to remedy past racial discrimination.

Can we please stop citing this idiot

[Anonymous]

The CRT debate ignores the bonehead factor.

I think the whole debate over what CRT is/isn’t and whether or not it’s taught in a school is beside the point. I think people are defining CRT differently, and the conversation would be a lot more productive if both sides stopped using the term Critical Race Theory and its acronym altogether.

I don’t claim to be an expert on CRT, and I ‘m not going to debate its pros and cons. What I do know is that human beings all along the political spectrum are fallible creatures and we all have our bonehead moments. Long before CRT was first developed, parents have had problems from time to time about what their children were being taught, especially when it concerned sensitive/controversial topics, including, but not limited to, race. Sometimes, it was because the teachers were being good teachers and the parents were being hypersensitive, sometimes it was because the teacher was teaching something that everyone else agreed was way out of line, and other times it was a well-meaning teacher earnestly trying to teach an important lesson, but being a bonehead and doing it in an extremely ill-advised manner.

I have a lot of respect for teachers. I think they play a vital role with inadequate support and often in the face of opposition from their administrations, the parents, and the kids. Most of them do remarkably well considering the scald of their challenge. That being said, as human beings, they are probe to the bonehead factor. Even if you suppose that CRT is the most perfect theory, and that no K-12 curriculum would officially include it, leaving it for higher education, that doesn’t mean that a teacher somewhere, sometime, isn’t a bonehead and teaches their class something egregious and either incorrectly calls it CRT, or parents trying to complain about an awful lesson decide it must be that awful CRT stuff that people are complaining about. Debating whether it was CRT is completely beside the point, inhibits resolution of the actual problem (whether a specific lesson was objectionable and needs to be changed or if it was great and parents need to understand why the school backs that particular lesson), and leaves all sides feeling aggrieved.

Let’s stop arguing about CRT in the classroom. Official policies and curriculum are also beside the point. In life, what should happen isn’t always what actually takes place. In each case where a concern is raised, we should focus on the actual content, which is the only thing that really matters. Is the material a specific teacher teaches appropriate, and is it taught in an appropriate manner? If a review affirms it, then we can move on. If a review finds there was a problem, let’s fix it and move on. Either way, labels are an unnecessary distraction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The CRT debate ignores the bonehead factor.

I think the whole debate over what CRT is/isn’t and whether or not it’s taught in a school is beside the point. I think people are defining CRT differently, and the conversation would be a lot more productive if both sides stopped using the term Critical Race Theory and its acronym altogether.

I don’t claim to be an expert on CRT, and I ‘m not going to debate its pros and cons. What I do know is that human beings all along the political spectrum are fallible creatures and we all have our bonehead moments. Long before CRT was first developed, parents have had problems from time to time about what their children were being taught, especially when it concerned sensitive/controversial topics, including, but not limited to, race. Sometimes, it was because the teachers were being good teachers and the parents were being hypersensitive, sometimes it was because the teacher was teaching something that everyone else agreed was way out of line, and other times it was a well-meaning teacher earnestly trying to teach an important lesson, but being a bonehead and doing it in an extremely ill-advised manner.

I have a lot of respect for teachers. I think they play a vital role with inadequate support and often in the face of opposition from their administrations, the parents, and the kids. Most of them do remarkably well considering the scald of their challenge. That being said, as human beings, they are probe to the bonehead factor. Even if you suppose that CRT is the most perfect theory, and that no K-12 curriculum would officially include it, leaving it for higher education, that doesn’t mean that a teacher somewhere, sometime, isn’t a bonehead and teaches their class something egregious and either incorrectly calls it CRT, or parents trying to complain about an awful lesson decide it must be that awful CRT stuff that people are complaining about. Debating whether it was CRT is completely beside the point, inhibits resolution of the actual problem (whether a specific lesson was objectionable and needs to be changed or if it was great and parents need to understand why the school backs that particular lesson), and leaves all sides feeling aggrieved.

Let’s stop arguing about CRT in the classroom. Official policies and curriculum are also beside the point. In life, what should happen isn’t always what actually takes place. In each case where a concern is raised, we should focus on the actual content, which is the only thing that really matters. Is the material a specific teacher teaches appropriate, and is it taught in an appropriate manner? If a review affirms it, then we can move on. If a review finds there was a problem, let’s fix it and move on. Either way, labels are an unnecessary distraction.

I think CRT was used as an effort to dodge the linguistic pitfalls of criticizing "anti-racism." "Anti-racism" as articulated by Prof. Kendi, above, is problematic in some respects -- or at least open to some good faith criticism. But it's name is designed to paint any critics as, pretty much by definition, racists. So, to level criticisms at "anti-racism" it's easier to just call it "Critical Race Theory" and let anti-racist advocates get bogged down in ineffectual complaints about how it's "not really CRT."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok so this is really I Hate Youngkin thread that OP started.

Ok half a year down and 3.5 to go. If he is lucky at least one thing he campaigned on besides masks will actually be passed in that time frame. And while he might make headway on charter schools, don’t worry, parents in Alex and Arl can still continue to send their kids to sub par schools for years. Especially Alexandria. My kid was in K when they started the whole we need a new high school! Now my kid is in high school - new. high school is not even close LOL!

Given what a complete disaster the democrats have been in running NOVA schools, no one can blame any Virginia parent for voting R last election.

The thing is: Virginia democrats seemed to have learned nothing from the last election.

Just look at OP, who created a thread just to defend CRT and CRT-like indoctrination in local public schools.

You go right on doing what your doing, OP.

The issue wasn't so much CRT but changes in policy like TJ admission, where the BOE got rid of loopholes that some were using to game admission. This was apparently unpopular with some groups because it provided admission for more low-income and students of color . Hard to believe this is still true in 2022 but it does.

Loopholes? That's a weird way of framing it. The median incoming TJ student was taking geometry in 8th grade and had a 4.0 GPA. Incoming classes generally averaged a 3.9 GPA while taking advanced coursework. People like to focus on the test, but ignore that incoming TJ freshmen had excellent academic records as well.

It was rare for low income students to be taking Geometry in 8th grade while maintaining a near 4.0 GPA. They were shut out, test or no test.

A decision was made to broaden access to TJ. Now, a 3.5 GPA is worth just as much as a 4.0 GPA, and the admissions process doesn't care whether you took geometry or not. I understand why the changes were made, but for some reason many pro reform people feel a need to belittle students admitted under the old process. There's no need for that. They were excellent students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok so this is really I Hate Youngkin thread that OP started.

Ok half a year down and 3.5 to go. If he is lucky at least one thing he campaigned on besides masks will actually be passed in that time frame. And while he might make headway on charter schools, don’t worry, parents in Alex and Arl can still continue to send their kids to sub par schools for years. Especially Alexandria. My kid was in K when they started the whole we need a new high school! Now my kid is in high school - new. high school is not even close LOL!

Given what a complete disaster the democrats have been in running NOVA schools, no one can blame any Virginia parent for voting R last election.

The thing is: Virginia democrats seemed to have learned nothing from the last election.

Just look at OP, who created a thread just to defend CRT and CRT-like indoctrination in local public schools.

You go right on doing what your doing, OP.

The issue wasn't so much CRT but changes in policy like TJ admission, where the BOE got rid of loopholes that some were using to game admission. This was apparently unpopular with some groups because it provided admission for more low-income and students of color . Hard to believe this is still true in 2022 but it does.

Loopholes? That's a weird way of framing it. The median incoming TJ student was taking geometry in 8th grade and had a 4.0 GPA. Incoming classes generally averaged a 3.9 GPA while taking advanced coursework. People like to focus on the test, but ignore that incoming TJ freshmen had excellent academic records as well.

It was rare for low income students to be taking Geometry in 8th grade while maintaining a near 4.0 GPA. They were shut out, test or no test.

A decision was made to broaden access to TJ. Now, a 3.5 GPA is worth just as much as a 4.0 GPA, and the admissions process doesn't care whether you took geometry or not. I understand why the changes were made, but for some reason many pro reform people feel a need to belittle students admitted under the old process. There's no need for that. They were excellent students.

Almost all kids admitted had a 4.0 so not relevant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok so this is really I Hate Youngkin thread that OP started.

Ok half a year down and 3.5 to go. If he is lucky at least one thing he campaigned on besides masks will actually be passed in that time frame. And while he might make headway on charter schools, don’t worry, parents in Alex and Arl can still continue to send their kids to sub par schools for years. Especially Alexandria. My kid was in K when they started the whole we need a new high school! Now my kid is in high school - new. high school is not even close LOL!

Given what a complete disaster the democrats have been in running NOVA schools, no one can blame any Virginia parent for voting R last election.

The thing is: Virginia democrats seemed to have learned nothing from the last election.

Just look at OP, who created a thread just to defend CRT and CRT-like indoctrination in local public schools.

You go right on doing what your doing, OP.

The issue wasn't so much CRT but changes in policy like TJ admission, where the BOE got rid of loopholes that some were using to game admission. This was apparently unpopular with some groups because it provided admission for more low-income and students of color . Hard to believe this is still true in 2022 but it does.

Loopholes? That's a weird way of framing it. The median incoming TJ student was taking geometry in 8th grade and had a 4.0 GPA. Incoming classes generally averaged a 3.9 GPA while taking advanced coursework. People like to focus on the test, but ignore that incoming TJ freshmen had excellent academic records as well.

It was rare for low income students to be taking Geometry in 8th grade while maintaining a near 4.0 GPA. They were shut out, test or no test.

A decision was made to broaden access to TJ. Now, a 3.5 GPA is worth just as much as a 4.0 GPA, and the admissions process doesn't care whether you took geometry or not. I understand why the changes were made, but for some reason many pro reform people feel a need to belittle students admitted under the old process. There's no need for that. They were excellent students.

Anti Asian animus was behind it.

Unfortunate for its own sake. Politically, it was a mistake that pushed Asian Americans and anyone put off by the blatant racism to take a more serious look at republicans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok so this is really I Hate Youngkin thread that OP started.

Ok half a year down and 3.5 to go. If he is lucky at least one thing he campaigned on besides masks will actually be passed in that time frame. And while he might make headway on charter schools, don’t worry, parents in Alex and Arl can still continue to send their kids to sub par schools for years. Especially Alexandria. My kid was in K when they started the whole we need a new high school! Now my kid is in high school - new. high school is not even close LOL!

Given what a complete disaster the democrats have been in running NOVA schools, no one can blame any Virginia parent for voting R last election.

The thing is: Virginia democrats seemed to have learned nothing from the last election.

Just look at OP, who created a thread just to defend CRT and CRT-like indoctrination in local public schools.

You go right on doing what your doing, OP.

The issue wasn't so much CRT but changes in policy like TJ admission, where the BOE got rid of loopholes that some were using to game admission. This was apparently unpopular with some groups because it provided admission for more low-income and students of color . Hard to believe this is still true in 2022 but it does.

Loopholes? That's a weird way of framing it. The median incoming TJ student was taking geometry in 8th grade and had a 4.0 GPA. Incoming classes generally averaged a 3.9 GPA while taking advanced coursework. People like to focus on the test, but ignore that incoming TJ freshmen had excellent academic records as well.

It was rare for low income students to be taking Geometry in 8th grade while maintaining a near 4.0 GPA. They were shut out, test or no test.

A decision was made to broaden access to TJ. Now, a 3.5 GPA is worth just as much as a 4.0 GPA, and the admissions process doesn't care whether you took geometry or not. I understand why the changes were made, but for some reason many pro reform people feel a need to belittle students admitted under the old process. There's no need for that. They were excellent students.

Anti Asian animus was behind it.

Unfortunate for its own sake. Politically, it was a mistake that pushed Asian Americans and anyone put off by the blatant racism to take a more serious look at republicans.

No, it wasn't.

The issue was that there was a very limited range of diversity. TJ wasn't representative of the community. The vast majority of admitted TJ students were from a handful of affluent middle schools and from a limited range of backgrounds.

0.6% low income
7% ell
7% black
11% hispanic

And after the changes, those affluent middle schools still dominate -- just not quite as much as before.

Shrieking about "racism" is disingenuous, at best.

And who was shrieking about racism? Mouthpieces of the GOP. Driving wedge issues to win votes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ok so this is really I Hate Youngkin thread that OP started.

Ok half a year down and 3.5 to go. If he is lucky at least one thing he campaigned on besides masks will actually be passed in that time frame. And while he might make headway on charter schools, don’t worry, parents in Alex and Arl can still continue to send their kids to sub par schools for years. Especially Alexandria. My kid was in K when they started the whole we need a new high school! Now my kid is in high school - new. high school is not even close LOL!

Given what a complete disaster the democrats have been in running NOVA schools, no one can blame any Virginia parent for voting R last election.

The thing is: Virginia democrats seemed to have learned nothing from the last election.

Just look at OP, who created a thread just to defend CRT and CRT-like indoctrination in local public schools.

You go right on doing what your doing, OP.

The issue wasn't so much CRT but changes in policy like TJ admission, where the BOE got rid of loopholes that some were using to game admission. This was apparently unpopular with some groups because it provided admission for more low-income and students of color . Hard to believe this is still true in 2022 but it does.

Loopholes? That's a weird way of framing it. The median incoming TJ student was taking geometry in 8th grade and had a 4.0 GPA. Incoming classes generally averaged a 3.9 GPA while taking advanced coursework. People like to focus on the test, but ignore that incoming TJ freshmen had excellent academic records as well.

It was rare for low income students to be taking Geometry in 8th grade while maintaining a near 4.0 GPA. They were shut out, test or no test.

A decision was made to broaden access to TJ. Now, a 3.5 GPA is worth just as much as a 4.0 GPA, and the admissions process doesn't care whether you took geometry or not. I understand why the changes were made, but for some reason many pro reform people feel a need to belittle students admitted under the old process. There's no need for that. They were excellent students.

Anti Asian animus was behind it.

Unfortunate for its own sake. Politically, it was a mistake that pushed Asian Americans and anyone put off by the blatant racism to take a more serious look at republicans.

No, it wasn't.

The issue was that there was a very limited range of diversity. TJ wasn't representative of the community. The vast majority of admitted TJ students were from a handful of affluent middle schools and from a limited range of backgrounds.

0.6% low income
7% ell
7% black
11% hispanic

And after the changes, those affluent middle schools still dominate -- just not quite as much as before.

Shrieking about "racism" is disingenuous, at best.

And who was shrieking about racism? Mouthpieces of the GOP. Driving wedge issues to win votes.

I saw that TJ's latest class was still 60% Asian, so I can't imagine how that discriminates against Asians.