How religious are catholic universities?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If a school has a dramatically different number for something than allllll of it's peers, you have to question how the number is being gathered.

Here is a report from 2020.

It’s not good for ND

https://ndsmcobserver.com/2021/03/notre-dame-releases-results-of-2020-campus-climate-survey/

Imagine what is like for other schools

At ND …

Out of the students who had experienced non‐consensual sexual intercourse, 6% reported the assault to the University.

RAAIN stats…. For college students

Only 20% of female student victims, age 18-24, report to law enforcement.1

https://www.rainn.org/statistics/campus-sexual-violence

Reporting is way lower at ND.

So according to the two sources,

18% of Notre Dame girls experienced non-consential sexual contact while the national average is 26.4%.
(Among undergraduate students, 26.4% of females and 6.8% of males experience rape or sexual assault through physical force, violence, or incapacitation)

So Notre Dame is way lower than the national average.
18% vs 26.4%

You realize it’s low because they don’t report.

Critical thinking please

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If a school has a dramatically different number for something than allllll of it's peers, you have to question how the number is being gathered.

Here is a report from 2020.

It’s not good for ND

https://ndsmcobserver.com/2021/03/notre-dame-releases-results-of-2020-campus-climate-survey/

Imagine what is like for other schools

At ND …

Out of the students who had experienced non‐consensual sexual intercourse, 6% reported the assault to the University.

RAAIN stats…. For college students

Only 20% of female student victims, age 18-24, report to law enforcement.1

https://www.rainn.org/statistics/campus-sexual-violence

Reporting is way lower at ND.

So according to the two sources,

18% of Notre Dame girls experienced non-consential sexual contact while the national average is 26.4%.
(Among undergraduate students, 26.4% of females and 6.8% of males experience rape or sexual assault through physical force, violence, or incapacitation)

So Notre Dame is way lower than the national average.
18% vs 26.4%

You realize it’s low because they don’t report.

Critical thinking please

+1 Lots of shame and blow back in reporting. This isn't new or unusual.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My experience is with Jesuit schools (think BC, Georgetown, Loyola's). I am not Catholic and not religious. Many classmates were Catholic but they weren't particularly religious. Some went to mass on Sundays, but I would say most did not.

My day to day in the class was not impacted by religion or Jesuits. I had 2 Jesuit teachers my entire time there....and they were both amazing.

As an institution, I'd say the messaging from Jesuits was mostly about having a strong supportive school community, to seek and support love of learning, the importance to give back to society, and how knowledge helps to do that. These were all good messages for young adults. I later went to a top-5 school for grad school and was appalled by lack of any such messaging to the undergrads at that school. It could see a real difference in the kind of people/students they were becoming.

Four courses, there was a theology class requirement (along with other liberal arts core, like science, philosophy, english, world history etc). However, most of the theology courses could have been listed as a pure history or pure philosophy class and the options included non-Christian religions.

I am also female and had no problems getting appropriate reproductive care at a clinic right off campus. This was never an issue for anyone I know.

I loved my undergrad, loved the Jesuits, and would never trade it for another experience.

My son's Jesuit HS also has this as the primary message: helping others, loving others, inclusivity. They practice it just don't preach it and help communities at home and all around the US/World. They kids really care for one another.

We are culturally Catholic and my kids didn't attend church regularly prior. The messaging about tolerance and giving back when you are fortunate has been very good.

Ditto

But in practice my classmates don’t want to feed the poor, house the homeless, protect womens health, treat immigrants with respect, respect LGBT people, etc

Mine do..... (Boston College)

My son's Jesuit HS does as well. They have diaper drives. They have LBGQT presence and acceptance on campus. They feed the homeless every.single.day at lunch time. They have countless trips to impoverished areas, building homes, feeding homeless, outreach, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If a school has a dramatically different number for something than allllll of it's peers, you have to question how the number is being gathered.

Here is a report from 2020.

It’s not good for ND

https://ndsmcobserver.com/2021/03/notre-dame-releases-results-of-2020-campus-climate-survey/

Imagine what is like for other schools

At ND …

Out of the students who had experienced non‐consensual sexual intercourse, 6% reported the assault to the University.

RAAIN stats…. For college students

Only 20% of female student victims, age 18-24, report to law enforcement.1

https://www.rainn.org/statistics/campus-sexual-violence

Reporting is way lower at ND.

So according to the two sources,

18% of Notre Dame girls experienced non-consential sexual contact while the national average is 26.4%.
(Among undergraduate students, 26.4% of females and 6.8% of males experience rape or sexual assault through physical force, violence, or incapacitation)

So Notre Dame is way lower than the national average.
18% vs 26.4%

But only 6% report compared to 20% nationally, so increase those who admit it it in a survey by 14% and you are closer to a real number. Most women actually traumatized by sexual assault would not even admit it in an anonymous survey.

[Anonymous]

I'm the PP who brought up needing to dig deeper into reported rape statistics. I wasn't meaning this to be particular issue to Notre Dame or to religious colleges, but rather in response to the poster who used them to feel her daughter was "safer" at a school that reported fewer rapes. I wanted to make a general point that when looking at colleges lower reported rape statistics don't necessarily indicate lower rape incidence--and sometimes can even be indicative of a less supportive environment to report rape. Whatever college you are looking at --religious or not, co-ed dorms or not--I think this is something that warrants digging deeper into.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My friends who went to Catholic colleges in the 90s had limits on boys and girls mixing in the dorm or in each other’s dorm rooms enforced by dorm mother clergy. That was way different than in my private liberal arts school with zero limits.

That was 30+ years ago, for pete's sake. Not relevant today.

Notre Dame still has parietals. (No people in opposite-sex dorms after midnight weeknights and 2am weekends)
https://dulac.nd.edu/community-standards/standards/parietals/

I don't think that's a really big deal breaker for most people, but it is a reality.
(plenty of other places, including obviously off-campus apartments, to fraternize as you wish, and I loved that there was a semi-enforced quiet time in the dorms.)

I'd view that as a feature not a bug.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My experience is with Jesuit schools (think BC, Georgetown, Loyola's). I am not Catholic and not religious. Many classmates were Catholic but they weren't particularly religious. Some went to mass on Sundays, but I would say most did not.

My day to day in the class was not impacted by religion or Jesuits. I had 2 Jesuit teachers my entire time there....and they were both amazing.

As an institution, I'd say the messaging from Jesuits was mostly about having a strong supportive school community, to seek and support love of learning, the importance to give back to society, and how knowledge helps to do that. These were all good messages for young adults. I later went to a top-5 school for grad school and was appalled by lack of any such messaging to the undergrads at that school. It could see a real difference in the kind of people/students they were becoming.

Four courses, there was a theology class requirement (along with other liberal arts core, like science, philosophy, english, world history etc). However, most of the theology courses could have been listed as a pure history or pure philosophy class and the options included non-Christian religions.

I am also female and had no problems getting appropriate reproductive care at a clinic right off campus. This was never an issue for anyone I know.

I loved my undergrad, loved the Jesuits, and would never trade it for another experience.

My son's Jesuit HS also has this as the primary message: helping others, loving others, inclusivity. They practice it just don't preach it and help communities at home and all around the US/World. They kids really care for one another.

We are culturally Catholic and my kids didn't attend church regularly prior. The messaging about tolerance and giving back when you are fortunate has been very good.

Ditto

But in practice my classmates don’t want to feed the poor, house the homeless, protect womens health, treat immigrants with respect, respect LGBT people, etc

Mine do..... (Boston College)

My son's Jesuit HS does as well. They have diaper drives. They have LBGQT presence and acceptance on campus. They feed the homeless every.single.day at lunch time. They have countless trips to impoverished areas, building homes, feeding homeless, outreach, etc.

YEP