How religious are catholic universities?

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Anonymous wrote:I think it's interesting that so many posters make a big deal out of single sex dorms while at the same time complaining on other threads that colleges aren't doing enough to protect women students. You'd think they'd WANT single sex dorms.

No we want men to be taught not to rape.

Are you saying if Catholic men are not locked away from women they rape them?

Just stop. That's not the point and you know it.

No I don’t know the point. You said if there are coed dorms in Catholic colleges women will be raped.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My experience is with Jesuit schools (think BC, Georgetown, Loyola's). I am not Catholic and not religious. Many classmates were Catholic but they weren't particularly religious. Some went to mass on Sundays, but I would say most did not.

My day to day in the class was not impacted by religion or Jesuits. I had 2 Jesuit teachers my entire time there....and they were both amazing.

As an institution, I'd say the messaging from Jesuits was mostly about having a strong supportive school community, to seek and support love of learning, the importance to give back to society, and how knowledge helps to do that. These were all good messages for young adults. I later went to a top-5 school for grad school and was appalled by lack of any such messaging to the undergrads at that school. It could see a real difference in the kind of people/students they were becoming.

Four courses, there was a theology class requirement (along with other liberal arts core, like science, philosophy, english, world history etc). However, most of the theology courses could have been listed as a pure history or pure philosophy class and the options included non-Christian religions.

I am also female and had no problems getting appropriate reproductive care at a clinic right off campus. This was never an issue for anyone I know.

I loved my undergrad, loved the Jesuits, and would never trade it for another experience.

My son's Jesuit HS also has this as the primary message: helping others, loving others, inclusivity. They practice it just don't preach it and help communities at home and all around the US/World. They kids really care for one another.

We are culturally Catholic and my kids didn't attend church regularly prior. The messaging about tolerance and giving back when you are fortunate has been very good.

Ditto

But in practice my classmates don’t want to feed the poor, house the homeless, protect womens health, treat immigrants with respect, respect LGBT people, etc

Mine do..... (Boston College)

We’ll that’s interesting because some of my classmates went to Bc. Also I know a LGBT person who transferred to BU due to discrimination at Bc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's interesting that so many posters make a big deal out of single sex dorms while at the same time complaining on other threads that colleges aren't doing enough to protect women students. You'd think they'd WANT single sex dorms.

No we want men to be taught not to rape.

Are you saying if Catholic men are not locked away from women they rape them?

Just stop. That's not the point and you know it.

Catholic or not, increases the chance.

Stepping fully aside from the Catholic angle on this...

Are there studies that show co-ed dorms increase the chances of female residents being raped? I mean, sure, if you prefer to live with all women (or all men) in an environment that has gatekeepers at the entry to get permission for opposite sex visitors - then - seek that out. Never once in my life did I feel that the presence of men living in the same building as me put me at risk of being raped.

https://www.ajc.com/blog/get-schooled/what-colleges-don-tell-you-most-campus-sexual-assaults-happen-dorms-freshmen-particularly-vulnerable/m5tAoP8fMFKchPZbRSHM3K/

"What colleges don't tell you: Most campus sexual assaults happen in dorms; freshmen particularly vulnerable"

Of course it could still happen for separate dorms, but I can only imagine it creases the odd

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's interesting that so many posters make a big deal out of single sex dorms while at the same time complaining on other threads that colleges aren't doing enough to protect women students. You'd think they'd WANT single sex dorms.

No we want men to be taught not to rape.

Are you saying if Catholic men are not locked away from women they rape them?

Just stop. That's not the point and you know it.

No I don’t know the point. You said if there are coed dorms in Catholic colleges women will be raped.

not pp but bi you have reaading compreshension issue

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's interesting that so many posters make a big deal out of single sex dorms while at the same time complaining on other threads that colleges aren't doing enough to protect women students. You'd think they'd WANT single sex dorms.

No we want men to be taught not to rape.

Are you saying if Catholic men are not locked away from women they rape them?

Just stop. That's not the point and you know it.

No I don’t know the point. You said if there are coed dorms in Catholic colleges women will be raped.

not pp but bi you have reaading compreshension issue

She said people at Catholic colleges are weird to want coed dorms because girls will be raped.

If she did not say that what did she say.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's interesting that so many posters make a big deal out of single sex dorms while at the same time complaining on other threads that colleges aren't doing enough to protect women students. You'd think they'd WANT single sex dorms.

No we want men to be taught not to rape.

Are you saying if Catholic men are not locked away from women they rape them?

Just stop. That's not the point and you know it.

Catholic or not, increases the chance.

Stepping fully aside from the Catholic angle on this...

Are there studies that show co-ed dorms increase the chances of female residents being raped? I mean, sure, if you prefer to live with all women (or all men) in an environment that has gatekeepers at the entry to get permission for opposite sex visitors - then - seek that out. Never once in my life did I feel that the presence of men living in the same building as me put me at risk of being raped.

https://www.ajc.com/blog/get-schooled/what-colleges-don-tell-you-most-campus-sexual-assaults-happen-dorms-freshmen-particularly-vulnerable/m5tAoP8fMFKchPZbRSHM3K/

"What colleges don't tell you: Most campus sexual assaults happen in dorms; freshmen particularly vulnerable"

Of course it could still happen for separate dorms, but I can only imagine it creases the odd

No you can’t extrapolate that conclusion

What we know is that rapist target freshman

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's interesting that so many posters make a big deal out of single sex dorms while at the same time complaining on other threads that colleges aren't doing enough to protect women students. You'd think they'd WANT single sex dorms.

No we want men to be taught not to rape.

Are you saying if Catholic men are not locked away from women they rape them?

Just stop. That's not the point and you know it.

Catholic or not, increases the chance.

Stepping fully aside from the Catholic angle on this...

Are there studies that show co-ed dorms increase the chances of female residents being raped? I mean, sure, if you prefer to live with all women (or all men) in an environment that has gatekeepers at the entry to get permission for opposite sex visitors - then - seek that out. Never once in my life did I feel that the presence of men living in the same building as me put me at risk of being raped.

https://www.ajc.com/blog/get-schooled/what-colleges-don-tell-you-most-campus-sexual-assaults-happen-dorms-freshmen-particularly-vulnerable/m5tAoP8fMFKchPZbRSHM3K/

"What colleges don't tell you: Most campus sexual assaults happen in dorms; freshmen particularly vulnerable"

Of course it could still happen for separate dorms, but I can only imagine it creases the odd

No you can’t extrapolate that conclusion

What we know is that rapist target freshman

and also we know most happen in [b]dorms[/]

[Anonymous]

Georgetown is very open-minded. Also extremely selective

[Anonymous]

My daughter goes to ND this Fall, and single sex dorm is the least of the compalint lol

[Anonymous]

College Crime Rankings: Violence Against Women Act Offenses on Campuses - 2019

https://data.tcpalm.com/crimes-on-campus/violence-against-women-act-offences/us/00/2019/#csstable

This is straight incident counts(not per capita), but anyways all 4 major Catholic schools - ND, GT, BC, and Villanova are outside of 100
GT has some rape numbers though.

They are also pretty low on hate crime against gays religion etc. although there might be a factor that those crowds didn't choose those schools in the first place.

https://data.tcpalm.com/crimes-on-campus/hate-crime-bias/us/00/2019/#csstable

Overall these schools are great choices

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's interesting that so many posters make a big deal out of single sex dorms while at the same time complaining on other threads that colleges aren't doing enough to protect women students. You'd think they'd WANT single sex dorms.

No we want men to be taught not to rape.

Are you saying if Catholic men are not locked away from women they rape them?

Just stop. That's not the point and you know it.

Catholic or not, increases the chance.

Stepping fully aside from the Catholic angle on this...

Are there studies that show co-ed dorms increase the chances of female residents being raped? I mean, sure, if you prefer to live with all women (or all men) in an environment that has gatekeepers at the entry to get permission for opposite sex visitors - then - seek that out. Never once in my life did I feel that the presence of men living in the same building as me put me at risk of being raped.

https://www.ajc.com/blog/get-schooled/what-colleges-don-tell-you-most-campus-sexual-assaults-happen-dorms-freshmen-particularly-vulnerable/m5tAoP8fMFKchPZbRSHM3K/

"What colleges don't tell you: Most campus sexual assaults happen in dorms; freshmen particularly vulnerable"

Of course it could still happen for separate dorms, but I can only imagine it creases the odd

No you can’t extrapolate that conclusion

What we know is that rapist target freshman

and also we know most happen in [b]dorms[/]

Most Freshman live in a dorm .. it’s not the form, it’s predators knowing an easy mark

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:College Crime Rankings: Violence Against Women Act Offenses on Campuses - 2019

https://data.tcpalm.com/crimes-on-campus/violence-against-women-act-offences/us/00/2019/#csstable

This is straight incident counts(not per capita), but anyways all 4 major Catholic schools - ND, GT, BC, and Villanova are outside of 100
GT has some rape numbers though.

They are also pretty low on hate crime against gays religion etc. although there might be a factor that those crowds didn't choose those schools in the first place.

https://data.tcpalm.com/crimes-on-campus/hate-crime-bias/us/00/2019/#csstable

Overall these schools are great choices

Violence against women

Villanova 5/7000 = .0007
Penn state 68/95000 = .0007

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My experience is with Jesuit schools (think BC, Georgetown, Loyola's). I am not Catholic and not religious. Many classmates were Catholic but they weren't particularly religious. Some went to mass on Sundays, but I would say most did not.

My day to day in the class was not impacted by religion or Jesuits. I had 2 Jesuit teachers my entire time there....and they were both amazing.

As an institution, I'd say the messaging from Jesuits was mostly about having a strong supportive school community, to seek and support love of learning, the importance to give back to society, and how knowledge helps to do that. These were all good messages for young adults. I later went to a top-5 school for grad school and was appalled by lack of any such messaging to the undergrads at that school. It could see a real difference in the kind of people/students they were becoming.

Four courses, there was a theology class requirement (along with other liberal arts core, like science, philosophy, english, world history etc). However, most of the theology courses could have been listed as a pure history or pure philosophy class and the options included non-Christian religions.

I am also female and had no problems getting appropriate reproductive care at a clinic right off campus. This was never an issue for anyone I know.

I loved my undergrad, loved the Jesuits, and would never trade it for another experience.

My son's Jesuit HS also has this as the primary message: helping others, loving others, inclusivity. They practice it just don't preach it and help communities at home and all around the US/World. They kids really care for one another.

We are culturally Catholic and my kids didn't attend church regularly prior. The messaging about tolerance and giving back when you are fortunate has been very good.

Ditto

But in practice my classmates don’t want to feed the poor, house the homeless, protect womens health, treat immigrants with respect, respect LGBT people, etc

Mine do..... (Boston College)

We’ll that’s interesting because some of my classmates went to Bc. Also I know a LGBT person who transferred to BU due to discrimination at Bc.

Maybe it's my choice in friends? Everyone I know cared about giving back and the friends I am still in touch with still give back in significant ways (more than most other people I know).

It is true that BC was not a very diverse place when I was there (90s) but I never found it to be discriminatory. I say this with open eyes, as I came from a diverse background. The lack of diversity was very apparent to me visually when I arrived. Lack of financial diversity was also apparent (but classmates didn't sort by haves and have-nots). Teachings and lessons were always inclusive. It's a very inclusive community.

As for LGBT, I can't say as much. So much has changed over time and LGBT was far less on the horizon in both environments at that time (racial/ethnic diverse home and at BC). But I had a close LGBT male friend who was welcomed at BC. Did not know of any women.

I think this lack of diversity is not just a BC phenomenon...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:College Crime Rankings: Violence Against Women Act Offenses on Campuses - 2019

https://data.tcpalm.com/crimes-on-campus/violence-against-women-act-offences/us/00/2019/#csstable

This is straight incident counts(not per capita), but anyways all 4 major Catholic schools - ND, GT, BC, and Villanova are outside of 100
GT has some rape numbers though.

They are also pretty low on hate crime against gays religion etc. although there might be a factor that those crowds didn't choose those schools in the first place.

https://data.tcpalm.com/crimes-on-campus/hate-crime-bias/us/00/2019/#csstable

Overall these schools are great choices

Violence against women

Villanova 5/7000 = .0007
Penn state 68/95000 = .0007

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Any particular reason why you used only undergraduate number for Villanova and total number undergrad + grad for Penn State

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most will have a lot of culturally Catholic students, and a fair number of religious students.

Most will have a Church somewhere on campus and some people will go there once a week, a very small minority may go daily, lots won't go at all. College tends to be a big phase of Catholic rebellion.

Most will have religious artwork in various places.

Most will require that you take a core that includes at least some theology classes. This is a good thing IMO, as most people argue about or judge religions without any basis in understanding what religion even is; even an atheist needs to actually understand what it is that they are against. And in fact, most Catholic kids, particularly those who did not attend a Catholic high school have a very juvenile understanding of their own religion and benefit tremendously from deeper learning about the history and philosophy. So a good philosophy or history based theology course will be most interesting and useful, to many and is also useful if you are prelaw, as a lot of common law is based on the same moral philosophy as many religions. Notably, most universities offer similar courses, but don't require them of all students.

Birth control on campus: some have it, many don't, so be prepared. IME: You are also likely to encounter more virgins that in other places, so make sure your child expects this if they are sexually active (also a small number of kids who may be judgmental about it); also more kids who have little to no sex ed beyond Theology of the Body, if even that, so be 10x more cautious about things like consent and birth control -- this goes for all genders and orientations. Don't assume the other person is savvy in any way. And see also, Catholic rebellion above.

Other than that, it's just college, like anywhere else. Live in a dorm, get your first apartment, study all day, party all night, road trip to sporting events, tail gate on the weekends, etc.

This post rings pretty true based on my experience at a Jesuit university, though that was over 20 years ago now. What you'll notice is that, not surprisingly, a lot of students are coming from Catholic high schools, and in many cases, this means all-boys high schools or all girls high schools. Several of the students may know each other from Catholic grade schools and high schools, or at least will know someone who went to the school. Example, students coming from Chicago most likely attended X or Y high school, etc. This doesn't mean your student will feel left out, as people are still coming from all over.