Washington Post Article On Freshmen Admitted Under New Admissions Process

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Anonymous wrote:Congrats to these kids. There are always good kids who don't make it. Question was never about minorities in the school. It was about purging one minority for the other to assuage guilt for the majority while also helping the majority. There were better ways of doing it without cruelly targeting just one group, with intent. which is why the court said the new process was not legal.

Good is not the best. It's a magnet school not a diversity inclusive job

Under the SB’s new “scoring rubric” (which they kept confidential/ hidden from parents),

-1/4 of TJ admissions is based on actual math talent. 1/4 is based on GPA and 50% of the application is based on non academic criteria.

GPA doesn't count towards math talent?

Not really. An A in M7H earns a higher score in the TJ evaluations than an A- in Algebra II, since there is no extra weighting based on the difficulty of the class.

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Sad it's not the best anymore, we'll see what the sols show in a year

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Congrats to these kids. There are always good kids who don't make it. Question was never about minorities in the school. It was about purging one minority for the other to assuage guilt for the majority while also helping the majority. There were better ways of doing it without cruelly targeting just one group, with intent. which is why the court said the new process was not legal.

Good is not the best. It's a magnet school not a diversity inclusive job

Under the SB’s new “scoring rubric” (which they kept confidential/ hidden from parents),

-1/4 of TJ admissions is based on actual math talent. 1/4 is based on GPA and 50% of the application is based on non academic criteria.

Nothing is based on actual math talent. The problem solving essay was a pretty trivial science explanation that had nothing whatsoever to do with math. No bonus points are given for being in higher level math classes or excelling at high level math contests. If you ignore experience factors, the points awarded for GPA range from 262.5 - 300. So, a kid with a 4.0 only earns 37.5 more points than a kid with a 3.5. Each of the two essays spans from 60-300 points, meaning that a kid with a perfect essay would earn 240 points more than a kid with a very poor one. If you look at effective score range, GPA is only worth 37.5/517.5 = 7.25% of the total points. The essays are worth 92.75% of the score range.

The 90 points for being ED are worth 2.4 times the value for having a 4.0 vs. a 3.5.

How do you know?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Congrats to these kids. There are always good kids who don't make it. Question was never about minorities in the school. It was about purging one minority for the other to assuage guilt for the majority while also helping the majority. There were better ways of doing it without cruelly targeting just one group, with intent. which is why the court said the new process was not legal.

Good is not the best. It's a magnet school not a diversity inclusive job

Under the SB’s new “scoring rubric” (which they kept confidential/ hidden from parents),

-1/4 of TJ admissions is based on actual math talent. 1/4 is based on GPA and 50% of the application is based on non academic criteria.

GPA doesn't count towards math talent?

Not really. An A in M7H earns a higher score in the TJ evaluations than an A- in Algebra II, since there is no extra weighting based on the difficulty of the class.

Do any kids applying to TJ get less than an A in any math class? I assumed they all got As in math/science.

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Anonymous wrote:Sad it's not the best anymore, we'll see what the sols show in a year

It's still "the best". Even though some entitled kids didn't get in.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Congrats to these kids. There are always good kids who don't make it. Question was never about minorities in the school. It was about purging one minority for the other to assuage guilt for the majority while also helping the majority. There were better ways of doing it without cruelly targeting just one group, with intent. which is why the court said the new process was not legal.

Good is not the best. It's a magnet school not a diversity inclusive job

Under the SB’s new “scoring rubric” (which they kept confidential/ hidden from parents),

-1/4 of TJ admissions is based on actual math talent. 1/4 is based on GPA and 50% of the application is based on non academic criteria.

GPA doesn't count towards math talent?

Not really. An A in M7H earns a higher score in the TJ evaluations than an A- in Algebra II, since there is no extra weighting based on the difficulty of the class.

Do any kids applying to TJ get less than an A in any math class? I assumed they all got As in math/science.

Why would you assume that? Kids are only required to have a 3.5 core GPA to apply. There is no reason to imagine that kids who earned B+ or A- grades in a math or a science class wouldn't apply. In the new system, having Bs in your math classes wouldn't even hurt your chances for admissions very much.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Congrats to these kids. There are always good kids who don't make it. Question was never about minorities in the school. It was about purging one minority for the other to assuage guilt for the majority while also helping the majority. There were better ways of doing it without cruelly targeting just one group, with intent. which is why the court said the new process was not legal.

Good is not the best. It's a magnet school not a diversity inclusive job

Under the SB’s new “scoring rubric” (which they kept confidential/ hidden from parents),

-1/4 of TJ admissions is based on actual math talent. 1/4 is based on GPA and 50% of the application is based on non academic criteria.

GPA doesn't count towards math talent?

Not really. An A in M7H earns a higher score in the TJ evaluations than an A- in Algebra II, since there is no extra weighting based on the difficulty of the class.

Do any kids applying to TJ get less than an A in any math class? I assumed they all got As in math/science.

Why would you assume that? Kids are only required to have a 3.5 core GPA to apply. There is no reason to imagine that kids who earned B+ or A- grades in a math or a science class wouldn't apply. In the new system, having Bs in your math classes wouldn't even hurt your chances for admissions very much.

I assume the "best STEM kids" would all get As in math/science.

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Anonymous wrote:Congrats to these kids. There are always good kids who don't make it. Question was never about minorities in the school. It was about purging one minority for the other to assuage guilt for the majority while also helping the majority. There were better ways of doing it without cruelly targeting just one group, with intent. which is why the court said the new process was not legal.

Good is not the best. It's a magnet school not a diversity inclusive job

Under the SB’s new “scoring rubric” (which they kept confidential/ hidden from parents),

-1/4 of TJ admissions is based on actual math talent. 1/4 is based on GPA and 50% of the application is based on non academic criteria.

GPA doesn't count towards math talent?

Not really. An A in M7H earns a higher score in the TJ evaluations than an A- in Algebra II, since there is no extra weighting based on the difficulty of the class.

Do any kids applying to TJ get less than an A in any math class? I assumed they all got As in math/science.

Why would you assume that? Kids are only required to have a 3.5 core GPA to apply. There is no reason to imagine that kids who earned B+ or A- grades in a math or a science class wouldn't apply. In the new system, having Bs in your math classes wouldn't even hurt your chances for admissions very much.

As long as they meet the eligibility criteria they can apply. GPA counts a lot and so does SPS and problem solving essay.
My son got in from Longfellow with a 4.0 GPA and he was also involved in science competitions and made it to Nationals. He incorporated it into answering SPS questions. Unless the kid communicates what he has done, the review committee has no way of knowing what he has done.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Congrats to these kids. There are always good kids who don't make it. Question was never about minorities in the school. It was about purging one minority for the other to assuage guilt for the majority while also helping the majority. There were better ways of doing it without cruelly targeting just one group, with intent. which is why the court said the new process was not legal.

Good is not the best. It's a magnet school not a diversity inclusive job

Under the SB’s new “scoring rubric” (which they kept confidential/ hidden from parents),

-1/4 of TJ admissions is based on actual math talent. 1/4 is based on GPA and 50% of the application is based on non academic criteria.

Nothing is based on actual math talent. The problem solving essay was a pretty trivial science explanation that had nothing whatsoever to do with math. No bonus points are given for being in higher level math classes or excelling at high level math contests. If you ignore experience factors, the points awarded for GPA range from 262.5 - 300. So, a kid with a 4.0 only earns 37.5 more points than a kid with a 3.5. Each of the two essays spans from 60-300 points, meaning that a kid with a perfect essay would earn 240 points more than a kid with a very poor one. If you look at effective score range, GPA is only worth 37.5/517.5 = 7.25% of the total points. The essays are worth 92.75% of the score range.

The 90 points for being ED are worth 2.4 times the value for having a 4.0 vs. a 3.5.

How do you know?

The poster just explained how it is known.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Congrats to these kids. There are always good kids who don't make it. Question was never about minorities in the school. It was about purging one minority for the other to assuage guilt for the majority while also helping the majority. There were better ways of doing it without cruelly targeting just one group, with intent. which is why the court said the new process was not legal.

Good is not the best. It's a magnet school not a diversity inclusive job

Under the SB’s new “scoring rubric” (which they kept confidential/ hidden from parents),

-1/4 of TJ admissions is based on actual math talent. 1/4 is based on GPA and 50% of the application is based on non academic criteria.

Nothing is based on actual math talent. The problem solving essay was a pretty trivial science explanation that had nothing whatsoever to do with math. No bonus points are given for being in higher level math classes or excelling at high level math contests. If you ignore experience factors, the points awarded for GPA range from 262.5 - 300. So, a kid with a 4.0 only earns 37.5 more points than a kid with a 3.5. Each of the two essays spans from 60-300 points, meaning that a kid with a perfect essay would earn 240 points more than a kid with a very poor one. If you look at effective score range, GPA is only worth 37.5/517.5 = 7.25% of the total points. The essays are worth 92.75% of the score range.

The 90 points for being ED are worth 2.4 times the value for having a 4.0 vs. a 3.5.

How do you know?

The poster just explained how it is known.

How do people know the topic of the math/science essay?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Congrats to these kids. There are always good kids who don't make it. Question was never about minorities in the school. It was about purging one minority for the other to assuage guilt for the majority while also helping the majority. There were better ways of doing it without cruelly targeting just one group, with intent. which is why the court said the new process was not legal.

Good is not the best. It's a magnet school not a diversity inclusive job

Under the SB’s new “scoring rubric” (which they kept confidential/ hidden from parents),

-1/4 of TJ admissions is based on actual math talent. 1/4 is based on GPA and 50% of the application is based on non academic criteria.

Nothing is based on actual math talent. The problem solving essay was a pretty trivial science explanation that had nothing whatsoever to do with math. No bonus points are given for being in higher level math classes or excelling at high level math contests. If you ignore experience factors, the points awarded for GPA range from 262.5 - 300. So, a kid with a 4.0 only earns 37.5 more points than a kid with a 3.5. Each of the two essays spans from 60-300 points, meaning that a kid with a perfect essay would earn 240 points more than a kid with a very poor one. If you look at effective score range, GPA is only worth 37.5/517.5 = 7.25% of the total points. The essays are worth 92.75% of the score range.

The 90 points for being ED are worth 2.4 times the value for having a 4.0 vs. a 3.5.

How do you know?

The poster just explained how it is known.

How do people know the topic of the math/science essay?

Their kids told them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Congrats to these kids. There are always good kids who don't make it. Question was never about minorities in the school. It was about purging one minority for the other to assuage guilt for the majority while also helping the majority. There were better ways of doing it without cruelly targeting just one group, with intent. which is why the court said the new process was not legal.

Good is not the best. It's a magnet school not a diversity inclusive job

Under the SB’s new “scoring rubric” (which they kept confidential/ hidden from parents),

-1/4 of TJ admissions is based on actual math talent. 1/4 is based on GPA and 50% of the application is based on non academic criteria.

Nothing is based on actual math talent. The problem solving essay was a pretty trivial science explanation that had nothing whatsoever to do with math. No bonus points are given for being in higher level math classes or excelling at high level math contests. If you ignore experience factors, the points awarded for GPA range from 262.5 - 300. So, a kid with a 4.0 only earns 37.5 more points than a kid with a 3.5. Each of the two essays spans from 60-300 points, meaning that a kid with a perfect essay would earn 240 points more than a kid with a very poor one. If you look at effective score range, GPA is only worth 37.5/517.5 = 7.25% of the total points. The essays are worth 92.75% of the score range.

The 90 points for being ED are worth 2.4 times the value for having a 4.0 vs. a 3.5.

How do you know?

The poster just explained how it is known.

How do people know the topic of the math/science essay?

Took the test for DC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sad it's not the best anymore, we'll see what the sols show in a year

It's still "the best". Even though some entitled kids didn't get in.

#wokie

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sad it's not the best anymore, we'll see what the sols show in a year

It's still "the best". Even though some entitled kids didn't get in.

Remains to be seen. And calling kids “entitled” is Maoist BS so don’t be surprised when people get tired of your class warfare.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sad it's not the best anymore, we'll see what the sols show in a year

It's still "the best". Even though some entitled kids didn't get in.

Remains to be seen. And calling kids “entitled” is Maoist BS so don’t be surprised when people get tired of your class warfare.

Since when is rigous studying and supporting parents sacrificing for extra education entitled? Those kids earned it. Entitled is getting 50% CREDIT as per the new rules for being the right minority and poverty level. No matter how hard you study and try you can't change your race, maybe in the future we have some gene splicing but not now.