WSJ article on your child's chances of getting into an IVY are slim

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Three paragraphs summarily explain her rejections. Twenty years ago, she wouldn't have applied to these top-tier colleges and accumulated a hoard of rejections. Twenty years ago, she would have been happy to matriculate at UT or ASU.

1. Ms. Younger wrote in the applications about her history of depression and anxiety to explain the two B’s she earned during her sophomore year.

2. Ms. Younger’s father attended the University of Oklahoma and her mother went to Montclair State University in New Jersey. She has no connection to the faculty or alumni at any elite school, nor did she hire a test-preparation coach or a private college counselor.

3. Her school serves McKinney, Texas, a fast-growing suburb 30 miles outside of Dallas. In a given year, about half of the school’s graduates enroll at four-year colleges; most attend public universities in Texas, Dr. Cranmore said. He recalls two McKinney graduates enrolling at Yale and one at Princeton over the past decade.

Not sure what you’re really trying to say here but all what I bolded should have made her more desirable to top schools for good reason, not less.

I don't think so. There are even more underprivileged with more outstanding credentials. She preformed and directed plays but I think to get into the lost she wanted to have to have win signiricant awards and written the plays yourself.

That list of schools is ridiculous. Anyone that feels slighted over any rejection at that level is delusional in the first place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Gotta feel a bit bad for Arizona. They give this girl an academic scholarship and she's still mad enough to go public with the unfairness of her not getting into an Ivy.

Meanwhile, WSJ uses her for their white grievance narrative.

Girl, this article was a mistake. When you apply for Wharton or HBS, they are going to Google this article.

+100 First think I think of every time WSJ mentions how it “used to be easier” to get into top colleges and the like.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Three paragraphs summarily explain her rejections. Twenty years ago, she wouldn't have applied to these top-tier colleges and accumulated a hoard of rejections. Twenty years ago, she would have been happy to matriculate at UT or ASU.

1. Ms. Younger wrote in the applications about her history of depression and anxiety to explain the two B’s she earned during her sophomore year.

2. Ms. Younger’s father attended the University of Oklahoma and her mother went to Montclair State University in New Jersey. She has no connection to the faculty or alumni at any elite school, nor did she hire a test-preparation coach or a private college counselor.

3. Her school serves McKinney, Texas, a fast-growing suburb 30 miles outside of Dallas. In a given year, about half of the school’s graduates enroll at four-year colleges; most attend public universities in Texas, Dr. Cranmore said. He recalls two McKinney graduates enrolling at Yale and one at Princeton over the past decade.

Not sure what you’re really trying to say here but all what I bolded should have made her more desirable to top schools for good reason, not less.

I don't think so. There are even more underprivileged with more outstanding credentials. She preformed and directed plays but I think to get into the lost she wanted to have to have win signiricant awards and written the plays yourself.

That list of schools is ridiculous. Anyone that feels slighted over any rejection at that level is delusional in the first place.

Oh come on, every kid feels sad at first getting rejected.

[Anonymous]

This paragraph explains how white students can actually snare an admit to these colleges. Read it slowly for complete understanding. And stop pointing fingers at other groups.

4. Nearly half of white students admitted to Harvard between 2009 and 2014 were recruited athletes, legacy students, children of faculty and staff, or on the dean’s interest list—applicants whose parents or relatives have donated to Harvard, according to a 2019 study published in the National Bureau of Economic Research.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Three paragraphs summarily explain her rejections. Twenty years ago, she wouldn't have applied to these top-tier colleges and accumulated a hoard of rejections. Twenty years ago, she would have been happy to matriculate at UT or ASU.

1. Ms. Younger wrote in the applications about her history of depression and anxiety to explain the two B’s she earned during her sophomore year.

2. Ms. Younger’s father attended the University of Oklahoma and her mother went to Montclair State University in New Jersey. She has no connection to the faculty or alumni at any elite school, nor did she hire a test-preparation coach or a private college counselor.

3. Her school serves McKinney, Texas, a fast-growing suburb 30 miles outside of Dallas. In a given year, about half of the school’s graduates enroll at four-year colleges; most attend public universities in Texas, Dr. Cranmore said. He recalls two McKinney graduates enrolling at Yale and one at Princeton over the past decade.

So she should have known her place. Got it.

More medication and harder work and less sleep. The lesson is that you can't afford two Bs

There is nothing wrong with two B's and there are non-hooked kids at elite institutions with one or two B's. The issue is she disclosed a mental illness to justify the B's. I don't agree with discriminating against people with mental illnesses but not surprised she didn't get it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Three paragraphs summarily explain her rejections. Twenty years ago, she wouldn't have applied to these top-tier colleges and accumulated a hoard of rejections. Twenty years ago, she would have been happy to matriculate at UT or ASU.

1. Ms. Younger wrote in the applications about her history of depression and anxiety to explain the two B’s she earned during her sophomore year.

2. Ms. Younger’s father attended the University of Oklahoma and her mother went to Montclair State University in New Jersey. She has no connection to the faculty or alumni at any elite school, nor did she hire a test-preparation coach or a private college counselor.

3. Her school serves McKinney, Texas, a fast-growing suburb 30 miles outside of Dallas. In a given year, about half of the school’s graduates enroll at four-year colleges; most attend public universities in Texas, Dr. Cranmore said. He recalls two McKinney graduates enrolling at Yale and one at Princeton over the past decade.

Not sure what you’re really trying to say here but all what I bolded should have made her more desirable to top schools for good reason, not less.

I don't think so. There are even more underprivileged with more outstanding credentials. She preformed and directed plays but I think to get into the lost she wanted to have to have win signiricant awards and written the plays yourself.

That list of schools is ridiculous. Anyone that feels slighted over any rejection at that level is delusional in the first place.

With those stats and ECs, she would be in if she had taken a DNA test and realized she was a URM

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Three paragraphs summarily explain her rejections. Twenty years ago, she wouldn't have applied to these top-tier colleges and accumulated a hoard of rejections. Twenty years ago, she would have been happy to matriculate at UT or ASU.

1. Ms. Younger wrote in the applications about her history of depression and anxiety to explain the two B’s she earned during her sophomore year.

2. Ms. Younger’s father attended the University of Oklahoma and her mother went to Montclair State University in New Jersey. She has no connection to the faculty or alumni at any elite school, nor did she hire a test-preparation coach or a private college counselor.

3. Her school serves McKinney, Texas, a fast-growing suburb 30 miles outside of Dallas. In a given year, about half of the school’s graduates enroll at four-year colleges; most attend public universities in Texas, Dr. Cranmore said. He recalls two McKinney graduates enrolling at Yale and one at Princeton over the past decade.

So she should have known her place. Got it.

Apparently, that is the message sent many times over!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This paragraph explains how white students can actually snare an admit to these colleges. Read it slowly for complete understanding. And stop pointing fingers at other groups.

4. Nearly half of white students admitted to Harvard between 2009 and 2014 were recruited athletes, legacy students, children of faculty and staff, or on the dean’s interest list—applicants whose parents or relatives have donated to Harvard, according to a 2019 study published in the National Bureau of Economic Research.

Reminds me of how Tucker Carlson sent 4 kids to boarding school them UVa (that’s difficult to find online but I know at least the son recently graduated from there). Meanwhile he rails against “affirmative action” and “Marxist colleges.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Three paragraphs summarily explain her rejections. Twenty years ago, she wouldn't have applied to these top-tier colleges and accumulated a hoard of rejections. Twenty years ago, she would have been happy to matriculate at UT or ASU.

1. Ms. Younger wrote in the applications about her history of depression and anxiety to explain the two B’s she earned during her sophomore year.

2. Ms. Younger’s father attended the University of Oklahoma and her mother went to Montclair State University in New Jersey. She has no connection to the faculty or alumni at any elite school, nor did she hire a test-preparation coach or a private college counselor.

3. Her school serves McKinney, Texas, a fast-growing suburb 30 miles outside of Dallas. In a given year, about half of the school’s graduates enroll at four-year colleges; most attend public universities in Texas, Dr. Cranmore said. He recalls two McKinney graduates enrolling at Yale and one at Princeton over the past decade.

So she should have known her place. Got it.

More medication and harder work and less sleep. The lesson is that you can't afford two Bs

There is nothing wrong with two B's and there are non-hooked kids at elite institutions with one or two B's. The issue is she disclosed a mental illness to justify the B's. I don't agree with discriminating against people with mental illnesses but not surprised she didn't get it.

A white, none first gen kid from a public school with no history of sending kids to those schools is going to have to be perfect, she got Bs at a random school none of these colleges have dealt with not Bs at Exeter

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Three paragraphs summarily explain her rejections. Twenty years ago, she wouldn't have applied to these top-tier colleges and accumulated a hoard of rejections. Twenty years ago, she would have been happy to matriculate at UT or ASU.

1. Ms. Younger wrote in the applications about her history of depression and anxiety to explain the two B’s she earned during her sophomore year.

2. Ms. Younger’s father attended the University of Oklahoma and her mother went to Montclair State University in New Jersey. She has no connection to the faculty or alumni at any elite school, nor did she hire a test-preparation coach or a private college counselor.

3. Her school serves McKinney, Texas, a fast-growing suburb 30 miles outside of Dallas. In a given year, about half of the school’s graduates enroll at four-year colleges; most attend public universities in Texas, Dr. Cranmore said. He recalls two McKinney graduates enrolling at Yale and one at Princeton over the past decade.

Not sure what you’re really trying to say here but all what I bolded should have made her more desirable to top schools for good reason, not less.

I don't think so. There are even more underprivileged with more outstanding credentials. She preformed and directed plays but I think to get into the lost she wanted to have to have win signiricant awards and written the plays yourself.

That list of schools is ridiculous. Anyone that feels slighted over any rejection at that level is delusional in the first place.

With those stats and ECs, she would be in if she had taken a DNA test and realized she was a URM

But she’s not, and has not faced the challenges a URM has. Hopefully one day you’ll understand that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Three paragraphs summarily explain her rejections. Twenty years ago, she wouldn't have applied to these top-tier colleges and accumulated a hoard of rejections. Twenty years ago, she would have been happy to matriculate at UT or ASU.

1. Ms. Younger wrote in the applications about her history of depression and anxiety to explain the two B’s she earned during her sophomore year.

2. Ms. Younger’s father attended the University of Oklahoma and her mother went to Montclair State University in New Jersey. She has no connection to the faculty or alumni at any elite school, nor did she hire a test-preparation coach or a private college counselor.

3. Her school serves McKinney, Texas, a fast-growing suburb 30 miles outside of Dallas. In a given year, about half of the school’s graduates enroll at four-year colleges; most attend public universities in Texas, Dr. Cranmore said. He recalls two McKinney graduates enrolling at Yale and one at Princeton over the past decade.

So she should have known her place. Got it.

More medication and harder work and less sleep. The lesson is that you can't afford two Bs

There is nothing wrong with two B's and there are non-hooked kids at elite institutions with one or two B's. The issue is she disclosed a mental illness to justify the B's. I don't agree with discriminating against people with mental illnesses but not surprised she didn't get it.

A white, none first gen kid from a public school with no history of sending kids to those schools is going to have to be perfect, she got Bs at a random school none of these colleges have dealt with not Bs at Exeter

Tell that to DCUM who thinks all you have to do to go to an Ivy is move to an exburban school in the rest of the country and get a high sat, then voila!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This paragraph explains how white students can actually snare an admit to these colleges. Read it slowly for complete understanding. And stop pointing fingers at other groups.

4. Nearly half of white students admitted to Harvard between 2009 and 2014 were recruited athletes, legacy students, children of faculty and staff, or on the dean’s interest list—applicants whose parents or relatives have donated to Harvard, according to a 2019 study published in the National Bureau of Economic Research.

Reminds me of how Tucker Carlson sent 4 kids to boarding school them UVa (that’s difficult to find online but I know at least the son recently graduated from there). Meanwhile he rails against “affirmative action” and “Marxist colleges.”

Oh how so many elite GOP politicians came from the Ivy League, and the desperate strings they pull to get their own kids into Harvard, U Penn, etc.

It's kinda funny watching WSJ - the newspaper by and for Ivy League bankers - eat their own institutions of privilege.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Three paragraphs summarily explain her rejections. Twenty years ago, she wouldn't have applied to these top-tier colleges and accumulated a hoard of rejections. Twenty years ago, she would have been happy to matriculate at UT or ASU.

1. Ms. Younger wrote in the applications about her history of depression and anxiety to explain the two B’s she earned during her sophomore year.

2. Ms. Younger’s father attended the University of Oklahoma and her mother went to Montclair State University in New Jersey. She has no connection to the faculty or alumni at any elite school, nor did she hire a test-preparation coach or a private college counselor.

3. Her school serves McKinney, Texas, a fast-growing suburb 30 miles outside of Dallas. In a given year, about half of the school’s graduates enroll at four-year colleges; most attend public universities in Texas, Dr. Cranmore said. He recalls two McKinney graduates enrolling at Yale and one at Princeton over the past decade.

Not sure what you’re really trying to say here but all what I bolded should have made her more desirable to top schools for good reason, not less.

I don't think so. There are even more underprivileged with more outstanding credentials. She preformed and directed plays but I think to get into the lost she wanted to have to have win signiricant awards and written the plays yourself.

That list of schools is ridiculous. Anyone that feels slighted over any rejection at that level is delusional in the first place.

With those stats and ECs, she would be in if she had taken a DNA test and realized she was a URM

With those stats and ECs, she would be in if she: (why didn't you continue....???)

(1) were a great athlete.
(2) were a daughter or granddaughter of an alum.
(3) were wealthy with check-writing-hall-naming-potential.[i]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Three paragraphs summarily explain her rejections. Twenty years ago, she wouldn't have applied to these top-tier colleges and accumulated a hoard of rejections. Twenty years ago, she would have been happy to matriculate at UT or ASU.

1. Ms. Younger wrote in the applications about her history of depression and anxiety to explain the two B’s she earned during her sophomore year.

2. Ms. Younger’s father attended the University of Oklahoma and her mother went to Montclair State University in New Jersey. She has no connection to the faculty or alumni at any elite school, nor did she hire a test-preparation coach or a private college counselor.

3. Her school serves McKinney, Texas, a fast-growing suburb 30 miles outside of Dallas. In a given year, about half of the school’s graduates enroll at four-year colleges; most attend public universities in Texas, Dr. Cranmore said. He recalls two McKinney graduates enrolling at Yale and one at Princeton over the past decade.

Not sure what you’re really trying to say here but all what I bolded should have made her more desirable to top schools for good reason, not less.

I don't think so. There are even more underprivileged with more outstanding credentials. She preformed and directed plays but I think to get into the lost she wanted to have to have win signiricant awards and written the plays yourself.

That list of schools is ridiculous. Anyone that feels slighted over any rejection at that level is delusional in the first place.

With those stats and ECs, she would be in if she had taken a DNA test and realized she was a URM

With those stats and ECs, she would be in if she: (why didn't you continue....???)

(1) were a great athlete.
(2) were a daughter or granddaughter of an alum.
(3) were wealthy with check-writing-hall-naming-potential.[i]

She didn't have time in her schedule to be a recruited athlete, but yes, she could have been rich and fine. The easier thing is to find a great grand parent from Latin America or Spain

[Anonymous]

Things may have changed a lot since the pandemic, but the odds just didn't seem very daunting for my DD and her peers. DD's friends spanned a number of local public and private high schools and they were all very strong academically since middle school (no recruited athletes). All took the hardest courses available and scored really well on the tests. They were also the active, loud, pushy students who knew how to win over teachers (who write the recs) and reinvigorate the ECs they ran. The ones who got their first choice or multiple Ivy admits were the ones who did the free competitive summer programs (RSI, NSLI-Y, TASP) . The legacy who applied early were about 50/50, but not too many admissions in the RD round (most of DD's set were legacy at one of the Ivies). And, not everyone with an Ivy admit chose the school. Many preferred the SLACs or a women's college. It's just college - lots of places to get a great education in a kids preferred environment.