Wisconsin vs. Michigan

[Anonymous]

They are so similar DC says Wisconsin is second choice for everyone who wanted Michigan as first choice. As a parent, Wisconsin campus and weather are more appealing but not my call.

The political troll in the college forum needs to pay attention in class and put the phone away.

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Anonymous wrote:Nazi vs Athlete Abuse.

You’re thinking of MSU.

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Anonymous wrote:They are so similar DC says Wisconsin is second choice for everyone who wanted Michigan as first choice. As a parent, Wisconsin campus and weather are more appealing but not my call.

The political troll in the college forum needs to pay attention in class and put the phone away.

Agree. My DC is at UM, and all of DC's friends who didn't get in now at Wisconsin. I love both campuses, but Wisconsin way colder. I will definitely encourage my younger DC who likely won't get in to UM to look at Wisconsin.

I people who have rowed for UM the past 25 years. A very good program, and I haven't heard complaints about access.

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Anonymous wrote:If you're a rich out of state applicant, you probably apply to both, plus maybe Indiana and George Washington, then go to the highest ranked one you get into. And/or the one you have family or friend ties to. Let's be honest, they're both gigantic rah-rah paint-your-face sportball degree mills, where rich out of state kids go to do a lot of tailgating, drinking, drugs and hooking up in Greek life. Then graduate and speed to the airport and never visit either flyover state again.

What are the best, let's say 5 colleges to attend, in your opinion?

An at least somewhat selective private college your teen feels most comfortable at. Public universities are a joke for undergrad. Of course some successful students come out of publics, it's hard not to have SOME successful grinds out of 20,000 to 50,000 plus undergraduate students. But it's not an ideal ethos and the administration does not give a rat's ass about your child. And I mean that in the most literal sense; nobody at a mega U cares if your kid dies, is raped, overdoses, stops showing up to class, fails out.

Said the person who has never sat through a weeder class at a flagship university.

In all seriousness, I attended a small LAC (2,000 students) and later transferred to state uni (17,000 students). At both schools, a student passed away while I was attending. When it happened at the LAC, there was at least one vigil that the entire student body voluntarily attended, multiple emails, funeral info, a mass, and more. Kids cried for weeks. When it happened at the big state U, there was one template email announcing the death. And that was it. Never heard a thing about it again from anyone. No vigil.

If this is the threshold for choosing a school....

Big schools treat their students like cattle to be herded through instead of nurtured.

18-22 year olds don't need to be nurtured.

DP and what? Sure they do. College is an important developmental period - why wouldn't young adults need nurturing and support as they move through it?

18 year olds are functional adults. If they cannot mage getting through classes and getting food at a cafeteria line as an 18 year old and then an apartment as a 19-21 year old, then maybe they should just keep living at home. What kind of nurturing does an 18 year old truck driver or 18 year old nurse assistant or grocery store clerk require?

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Anonymous wrote:If you're a rich out of state applicant, you probably apply to both, plus maybe Indiana and George Washington, then go to the highest ranked one you get into. And/or the one you have family or friend ties to. Let's be honest, they're both gigantic rah-rah paint-your-face sportball degree mills, where rich out of state kids go to do a lot of tailgating, drinking, drugs and hooking up in Greek life. Then graduate and speed to the airport and never visit either flyover state again.

What are the best, let's say 5 colleges to attend, in your opinion?

An at least somewhat selective private college your teen feels most comfortable at. Public universities are a joke for undergrad. Of course some successful students come out of publics, it's hard not to have SOME successful grinds out of 20,000 to 50,000 plus undergraduate students. But it's not an ideal ethos and the administration does not give a rat's ass about your child. And I mean that in the most literal sense; nobody at a mega U cares if your kid dies, is raped, overdoses, stops showing up to class, fails out.[/quote

Said the person who has never sat through a weeder class at a flagship university.

In all seriousness, I attended a small LAC (2,000 students) and later transferred to state uni (17,000 students). At both schools, a student passed away while I was attending. When it happened at the LAC, there was at least one vigil that the entire student body voluntarily attended, multiple emails, funeral info, a mass, and more. Kids cried for weeks. When it happened at the big state U, there was one template email announcing the death. And that was it. Never heard a thing about it again from anyone. No vigil.

If this is the threshold for choosing a school....

Big schools treat their students like cattle to be herded through instead of nurtured.

18-22 year olds don't need to be nurtured.

DP and what? Sure they do. College is an important developmental period - why wouldn't young adults need nurturing and support as they move through it?

18 year olds are functional adults. If they cannot mage getting through classes and getting food at a cafeteria line as an 18 year old and then an apartment as a 19-21 year old, then maybe they should just keep living at home. What kind of nurturing does an 18 year old truck driver or 18 year old nurse assistant or grocery store clerk require?

So true!

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Anonymous wrote:If you're a rich out of state applicant, you probably apply to both, plus maybe Indiana and George Washington, then go to the highest ranked one you get into. And/or the one you have family or friend ties to. Let's be honest, they're both gigantic rah-rah paint-your-face sportball degree mills, where rich out of state kids go to do a lot of tailgating, drinking, drugs and hooking up in Greek life. Then graduate and speed to the airport and never visit either flyover state again.

What are the best, let's say 5 colleges to attend, in your opinion?

An at least somewhat selective private college your teen feels most comfortable at. Public universities are a joke for undergrad. Of course some successful students come out of publics, it's hard not to have SOME successful grinds out of 20,000 to 50,000 plus undergraduate students. But it's not an ideal ethos and the administration does not give a rat's ass about your child. And I mean that in the most literal sense; nobody at a mega U cares if your kid dies, is raped, overdoses, stops showing up to class, fails out.

Said the person who has never sat through a weeder class at a flagship university.

In all seriousness, I attended a small LAC (2,000 students) and later transferred to state uni (17,000 students). At both schools, a student passed away while I was attending. When it happened at the LAC, there was at least one vigil that the entire student body voluntarily attended, multiple emails, funeral info, a mass, and more. Kids cried for weeks. When it happened at the big state U, there was one template email announcing the death. And that was it. Never heard a thing about it again from anyone. No vigil.

If this is the threshold for choosing a school....

Big schools treat their students like cattle to be herded through instead of nurtured.

18-22 year olds don't need to be nurtured.

DP and what? Sure they do. College is an important developmental period - why wouldn't young adults need nurturing and support as they move through it?

18 year olds are functional adults. If they cannot mage getting through classes and getting food at a cafeteria line as an 18 year old and then an apartment as a 19-21 year old, then maybe they should just keep living at home. What kind of nurturing does an 18 year old truck driver or 18 year old nurse assistant or grocery store clerk require?

Nurture means to care for and encourage the growth and development. People whether they are 18 or 30 or 70 go to college purposefully to grow and develop. The role of professors and the school are to nurture their development--so of course you should consider whether the school is doing that--are they encouraging the growth and development of their students. Somebody who is a grocery store clerk is doing it to make money--they may want to be nurtured to become a manager or maybe not. A good workplace will nurture people into higher skills and roles. That's what managers get paid for.

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The role of a preofessor is to nurture development?

No, that is an elementary school teacher. A professor is writing, doing research in a lab and sharing knowledge of their discipline with their students.

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Anonymous wrote:The role of a preofessor is to nurture development?

No, that is an elementary school teacher. A professor is writing, doing research in a lab and sharing knowledge of their discipline with their students.

Growth and development for a college student = learning to be a researcher when you are not yet one. I'm a prof who runs a lab; I nurture my students. I can't just give them knowledge; I nurture their understanding. It takes care and effort. It's not the same as nurturing a young child. of course, but I don't just run my lab and hand out a textbook and hope students absorb what they need to know to become scientists. Why would I get paid for that? I try to figure out what they currently understand and are capable of and try to move them to the next level of understanding. Nurturing does not mean coddling.

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Anonymous wrote:The role of a preofessor is to nurture development?

No, that is an elementary school teacher. A professor is writing, doing research in a lab and sharing knowledge of their discipline with their students.

LOL - you have no understanding of academia (or how people learn), do you?

[Anonymous]

Which one is easier to get to? If you are from the dmv, you will be flying. So I would think about how long it takes to get to campus from the airport, how many flights there are, and how cheap the flights are.

I have no experience with Midwestern schools, but I think it's definitely something to consider.

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Madison is a two hop trip, Michigan is a direct from DCA, but Ann Arbor is further from the airport than the UW campus from the MSN airport.

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Anonymous wrote:If you're a rich out of state applicant, you probably apply to both, plus maybe Indiana and George Washington, then go to the highest ranked one you get into. And/or the one you have family or friend ties to. Let's be honest, they're both gigantic rah-rah paint-your-face sportball degree mills, where rich out of state kids go to do a lot of tailgating, drinking, drugs and hooking up in Greek life. Then graduate and speed to the airport and never visit either flyover state again.

What are the best, let's say 5 colleges to attend, in your opinion?

An at least somewhat selective private college your teen feels most comfortable at. Public universities are a joke for undergrad. Of course some successful students come out of publics, it's hard not to have SOME successful grinds out of 20,000 to 50,000 plus undergraduate students. But it's not an ideal ethos and the administration does not give a rat's ass about your child. And I mean that in the most literal sense; nobody at a mega U cares if your kid dies, is raped, overdoses, stops showing up to class, fails out.

You are so off base and narrow minded. I had an amazing undergrad education at Michigan, never went to a football game, wasn’t Greek, and had tons of friends from many different schools there in addition to Arts and Sciences - Engineering, Art, Architecture, Social Work. The extracurricular opportunities and the mix of students is incredible there. I loved most of my professors. And I went on to Harvard for law school. As for the administration, it’s false that no one cares about students who are suffering. On the other hand, it’s true that the school doesn’t coddle or engage in a lot of handholding. I count that as a plus. These students are adults and it’s good for them to learn how to be independent and advocate for themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:Which one is easier to get to? If you are from the dmv, you will be flying. So I would think about how long it takes to get to campus from the airport, how many flights there are, and how cheap the flights are.

I have no experience with Midwestern schools, but I think it's definitely something to consider.

Ann Arbor is a 7.5 hour drive. Flying to Detroit is a short, generally inexpensive flight, and it's about 40 minutes to Ann Arbor from the airport. We often drove it, and it was an easy drive.

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WISCONSIN HAS A BETTER PARTY SCENE

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Anonymous wrote:If you're a rich out of state applicant, you probably apply to both, plus maybe Indiana and George Washington, then go to the highest ranked one you get into. And/or the one you have family or friend ties to. Let's be honest, they're both gigantic rah-rah paint-your-face sportball degree mills, where rich out of state kids go to do a lot of tailgating, drinking, drugs and hooking up in Greek life. Then graduate and speed to the airport and never visit either flyover state again.

What are the best, let's say 5 colleges to attend, in your opinion?

An at least somewhat selective private college your teen feels most comfortable at. Public universities are a joke for undergrad. Of course some successful students come out of publics, it's hard not to have SOME successful grinds out of 20,000 to 50,000 plus undergraduate students. But it's not an ideal ethos and the administration does not give a rat's ass about your child. And I mean that in the most literal sense; nobody at a mega U cares if your kid dies, is raped, overdoses, stops showing up to class, fails out.

You are so off base and narrow minded. I had an amazing undergrad education at Michigan, never went to a football game, wasn’t Greek, and had tons of friends from many different schools there in addition to Arts and Sciences - Engineering, Art, Architecture, Social Work. The extracurricular opportunities and the mix of students is incredible there. I loved most of my professors. And I went on to Harvard for law school. As for the administration, it’s false that no one cares about students who are suffering. On the other hand, it’s true that the school doesn’t coddle or engage in a lot of handholding. I count that as a plus. These students are adults and it’s good for them to learn how to be independent and advocate for themselves.

My DC had a health issue one year at UM and the school and professors were not only very accommodating but his advisor checked in regularly.