Wisconsin vs. Michigan

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Yes, the UW women's team was as highly regarded then and now.

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Anonymous wrote:If you're a rich out of state applicant, you probably apply to both, plus maybe Indiana and George Washington, then go to the highest ranked one you get into. And/or the one you have family or friend ties to. Let's be honest, they're both gigantic rah-rah paint-your-face sportball degree mills, where rich out of state kids go to do a lot of tailgating, drinking, drugs and hooking up in Greek life. Then graduate and speed to the airport and never visit either flyover state again.

What are the best, let's say 5 colleges to attend, in your opinion?

An at least somewhat selective private college your teen feels most comfortable at. Public universities are a joke for undergrad. Of course some successful students come out of publics, it's hard not to have SOME successful grinds out of 20,000 to 50,000 plus undergraduate students. But it's not an ideal ethos and the administration does not give a rat's ass about your child. And I mean that in the most literal sense; nobody at a mega U cares if your kid dies, is raped, overdoses, stops showing up to class, fails out.

Said the person who has never sat through a weeder class at a flagship university.

In all seriousness, I attended a small LAC (2,000 students) and later transferred to state uni (17,000 students). At both schools, a student passed away while I was attending. When it happened at the LAC, there was at least one vigil that the entire student body voluntarily attended, multiple emails, funeral info, a mass, and more. Kids cried for weeks. When it happened at the big state U, there was one template email announcing the death. And that was it. Never heard a thing about it again from anyone. No vigil.

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Anonymous wrote:If you're a rich out of state applicant, you probably apply to both, plus maybe Indiana and George Washington, then go to the highest ranked one you get into. And/or the one you have family or friend ties to. Let's be honest, they're both gigantic rah-rah paint-your-face sportball degree mills, where rich out of state kids go to do a lot of tailgating, drinking, drugs and hooking up in Greek life. Then graduate and speed to the airport and never visit either flyover state again.

What are the best, let's say 5 colleges to attend, in your opinion?

An at least somewhat selective private college your teen feels most comfortable at. Public universities are a joke for undergrad. Of course some successful students come out of publics, it's hard not to have SOME successful grinds out of 20,000 to 50,000 plus undergraduate students. But it's not an ideal ethos and the administration does not give a rat's ass about your child. And I mean that in the most literal sense; nobody at a mega U cares if your kid dies, is raped, overdoses, stops showing up to class, fails out.

Your 18+ “child” will be just fine. FERPA is here to stay.

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Anonymous wrote:If you're a rich out of state applicant, you probably apply to both, plus maybe Indiana and George Washington, then go to the highest ranked one you get into. And/or the one you have family or friend ties to. Let's be honest, they're both gigantic rah-rah paint-your-face sportball degree mills, where rich out of state kids go to do a lot of tailgating, drinking, drugs and hooking up in Greek life. Then graduate and speed to the airport and never visit either flyover state again.

What are the best, let's say 5 colleges to attend, in your opinion?

An at least somewhat selective private college your teen feels most comfortable at. Public universities are a joke for undergrad. Of course some successful students come out of publics, it's hard not to have SOME successful grinds out of 20,000 to 50,000 plus undergraduate students. But it's not an ideal ethos and the administration does not give a rat's ass about your child. And I mean that in the most literal sense; nobody at a mega U cares if your kid dies, is raped, overdoses, stops showing up to class, fails out.

Said the person who has never sat through a weeder class at a flagship university.

In all seriousness, I attended a small LAC (2,000 students) and later transferred to state uni (17,000 students). At both schools, a student passed away while I was attending. When it happened at the LAC, there was at least one vigil that the entire student body voluntarily attended, multiple emails, funeral info, a mass, and more. Kids cried for weeks. When it happened at the big state U, there was one template email announcing the death. And that was it. Never heard a thing about it again from anyone. No vigil.

If this is the threshold for choosing a school....

[Anonymous]

^^^I mean, right?..

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Anonymous wrote:If you're a rich out of state applicant, you probably apply to both, plus maybe Indiana and George Washington, then go to the highest ranked one you get into. And/or the one you have family or friend ties to. Let's be honest, they're both gigantic rah-rah paint-your-face sportball degree mills, where rich out of state kids go to do a lot of tailgating, drinking, drugs and hooking up in Greek life. Then graduate and speed to the airport and never visit either flyover state again.

What are the best, let's say 5 colleges to attend, in your opinion?

An at least somewhat selective private college your teen feels most comfortable at. Public universities are a joke for undergrad. Of course some successful students come out of publics, it's hard not to have SOME successful grinds out of 20,000 to 50,000 plus undergraduate students. But it's not an ideal ethos and the administration does not give a rat's ass about your child. And I mean that in the most literal sense; nobody at a mega U cares if your kid dies, is raped, overdoses, stops showing up to class, fails out.

Said the person who has never sat through a weeder class at a flagship university.

In all seriousness, I attended a small LAC (2,000 students) and later transferred to state uni (17,000 students). At both schools, a student passed away while I was attending. When it happened at the LAC, there was at least one vigil that the entire student body voluntarily attended, multiple emails, funeral info, a mass, and more. Kids cried for weeks. When it happened at the big state U, there was one template email announcing the death. And that was it. Never heard a thing about it again from anyone. No vigil.

If this is the threshold for choosing a school....

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[Anonymous]

When do Michigan and Wisconsin RD notifications come out. My DD was deferred at each. Holding out hope for either of these.

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Anonymous wrote:When do Michigan and Wisconsin RD notifications come out. My DD was deferred at each. Holding out hope for either of these.

Michigan is Friday. Not sure about Wisconsin RD.

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Anonymous wrote:Both schools are fantastic and great college experiences. Michigan has a better alumni network and is considered a "better" school, but you really cannot go wrong with either. Vibe and comfort are really important.

-UW Alum

Agree. A UM alum.

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Anonymous wrote:If you're a rich out of state applicant, you probably apply to both, plus maybe Indiana and George Washington, then go to the highest ranked one you get into. And/or the one you have family or friend ties to. Let's be honest, they're both gigantic rah-rah paint-your-face sportball degree mills, where rich out of state kids go to do a lot of tailgating, drinking, drugs and hooking up in Greek life. Then graduate and speed to the airport and never visit either flyover state again.

What are the best, let's say 5 colleges to attend, in your opinion?

An at least somewhat selective private college your teen feels most comfortable at. Public universities are a joke for undergrad. Of course some successful students come out of publics, it's hard not to have SOME successful grinds out of 20,000 to 50,000 plus undergraduate students. But it's not an ideal ethos and the administration does not give a rat's ass about your child. And I mean that in the most literal sense; nobody at a mega U cares if your kid dies, is raped, overdoses, stops showing up to class, fails out.

Said the person who has never sat through a weeder class at a flagship university.

In all seriousness, I attended a small LAC (2,000 students) and later transferred to state uni (17,000 students). At both schools, a student passed away while I was attending. When it happened at the LAC, there was at least one vigil that the entire student body voluntarily attended, multiple emails, funeral info, a mass, and more. Kids cried for weeks. When it happened at the big state U, there was one template email announcing the death. And that was it. Never heard a thing about it again from anyone. No vigil.

If this is the threshold for choosing a school....

Big schools treat their students like cattle to be herded through instead of nurtured.

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Anonymous wrote:If you're a rich out of state applicant, you probably apply to both, plus maybe Indiana and George Washington, then go to the highest ranked one you get into. And/or the one you have family or friend ties to. Let's be honest, they're both gigantic rah-rah paint-your-face sportball degree mills, where rich out of state kids go to do a lot of tailgating, drinking, drugs and hooking up in Greek life. Then graduate and speed to the airport and never visit either flyover state again.

What are the best, let's say 5 colleges to attend, in your opinion?

An at least somewhat selective private college your teen feels most comfortable at. Public universities are a joke for undergrad. Of course some successful students come out of publics, it's hard not to have SOME successful grinds out of 20,000 to 50,000 plus undergraduate students. But it's not an ideal ethos and the administration does not give a rat's ass about your child. And I mean that in the most literal sense; nobody at a mega U cares if your kid dies, is raped, overdoses, stops showing up to class, fails out.

Said the person who has never sat through a weeder class at a flagship university.

In all seriousness, I attended a small LAC (2,000 students) and later transferred to state uni (17,000 students). At both schools, a student passed away while I was attending. When it happened at the LAC, there was at least one vigil that the entire student body voluntarily attended, multiple emails, funeral info, a mass, and more. Kids cried for weeks. When it happened at the big state U, there was one template email announcing the death. And that was it. Never heard a thing about it again from anyone. No vigil.

If this is the threshold for choosing a school....

Big schools treat their students like cattle to be herded through instead of nurtured.

18-22 year olds don't need to be nurtured.

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Anonymous wrote:If you're a rich out of state applicant, you probably apply to both, plus maybe Indiana and George Washington, then go to the highest ranked one you get into. And/or the one you have family or friend ties to. Let's be honest, they're both gigantic rah-rah paint-your-face sportball degree mills, where rich out of state kids go to do a lot of tailgating, drinking, drugs and hooking up in Greek life. Then graduate and speed to the airport and never visit either flyover state again.

What are the best, let's say 5 colleges to attend, in your opinion?

An at least somewhat selective private college your teen feels most comfortable at. Public universities are a joke for undergrad. Of course some successful students come out of publics, it's hard not to have SOME successful grinds out of 20,000 to 50,000 plus undergraduate students. But it's not an ideal ethos and the administration does not give a rat's ass about your child. And I mean that in the most literal sense; nobody at a mega U cares if your kid dies, is raped, overdoses, stops showing up to class, fails out.

Said the person who has never sat through a weeder class at a flagship university.

In all seriousness, I attended a small LAC (2,000 students) and later transferred to state uni (17,000 students). At both schools, a student passed away while I was attending. When it happened at the LAC, there was at least one vigil that the entire student body voluntarily attended, multiple emails, funeral info, a mass, and more. Kids cried for weeks. When it happened at the big state U, there was one template email announcing the death. And that was it. Never heard a thing about it again from anyone. No vigil.

If this is the threshold for choosing a school....

Big schools treat their students like cattle to be herded through instead of nurtured.

18-22 year olds don't need to be nurtured.

DP and what? Sure they do. College is an important developmental period - why wouldn't young adults need nurturing and support as they move through it?

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Anonymous wrote:If you're a rich out of state applicant, you probably apply to both, plus maybe Indiana and George Washington, then go to the highest ranked one you get into. And/or the one you have family or friend ties to. Let's be honest, they're both gigantic rah-rah paint-your-face sportball degree mills, where rich out of state kids go to do a lot of tailgating, drinking, drugs and hooking up in Greek life. Then graduate and speed to the airport and never visit either flyover state again.

What are the best, let's say 5 colleges to attend, in your opinion?

An at least somewhat selective private college your teen feels most comfortable at. Public universities are a joke for undergrad. Of course some successful students come out of publics, it's hard not to have SOME successful grinds out of 20,000 to 50,000 plus undergraduate students. But it's not an ideal ethos and the administration does not give a rat's ass about your child. And I mean that in the most literal sense; nobody at a mega U cares if your kid dies, is raped, overdoses, stops showing up to class, fails out.

Said the person who has never sat through a weeder class at a flagship university.

In all seriousness, I attended a small LAC (2,000 students) and later transferred to state uni (17,000 students). At both schools, a student passed away while I was attending. When it happened at the LAC, there was at least one vigil that the entire student body voluntarily attended, multiple emails, funeral info, a mass, and more. Kids cried for weeks. When it happened at the big state U, there was one template email announcing the death. And that was it. Never heard a thing about it again from anyone. No vigil.

If this is the threshold for choosing a school....

Terrible story, but a great analogy.

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Anonymous wrote:If you're a rich out of state applicant, you probably apply to both, plus maybe Indiana and George Washington, then go to the highest ranked one you get into. And/or the one you have family or friend ties to. Let's be honest, they're both gigantic rah-rah paint-your-face sportball degree mills, where rich out of state kids go to do a lot of tailgating, drinking, drugs and hooking up in Greek life. Then graduate and speed to the airport and never visit either flyover state again.

What are the best, let's say 5 colleges to attend, in your opinion?

An at least somewhat selective private college your teen feels most comfortable at. Public universities are a joke for undergrad. Of course some successful students come out of publics, it's hard not to have SOME successful grinds out of 20,000 to 50,000 plus undergraduate students. But it's not an ideal ethos and the administration does not give a rat's ass about your child. And I mean that in the most literal sense; nobody at a mega U cares if your kid dies, is raped, overdoses, stops showing up to class, fails out.

Said the person who has never sat through a weeder class at a flagship university.

In all seriousness, I attended a small LAC (2,000 students) and later transferred to state uni (17,000 students). At both schools, a student passed away while I was attending. When it happened at the LAC, there was at least one vigil that the entire student body voluntarily attended, multiple emails, funeral info, a mass, and more. Kids cried for weeks. When it happened at the big state U, there was one template email announcing the death. And that was it. Never heard a thing about it again from anyone. No vigil.

If this is the threshold for choosing a school....

Big schools treat their students like cattle to be herded through instead of nurtured.

18-22 year olds don't need to be nurtured.

DP and what? Sure they do. College is an important developmental period - why wouldn't young adults need nurturing and support as they move through it?

DP: It's not infantilizing to want to be nurtured. Learning anything needs nurturing no matter your age--that's the nature of the enterprise. Teachers try to help students develop into something they not yet are--they nurture. I disagree thought that big schools never nurture--they vary widely in their support systems and big schools often have small niches where communities develop and thrive.

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Nazi vs Athlete Abuse.