Prize to the worst swim parent goes to?

[Anonymous]

Swim parents who complain about meet entries, spectator rules or livestreams.

They want to be the coach, meet director and official all at once. Is this about your kid enjoying their swimming or the parent achieving glory. In club swimming almost always the latter.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s really crummy that so many of you hope spectators are never allowed back. There are waaaaay fewer volunteer spots at most meets than there are swimmers. At one meet, I wanted to time, in part so my 7 yo wouldn’t have to find her way through some unfamiliar facility alone, but parents from other teams took our team’s desígnated volunteer slots before we even got the info.
Unless there’s a real reason like COVID, people should be allowed to watch their kids/grandkids/siblings swim. Our club always required everyone to volunteer a certain number of hours anyway.

Yes, yes, and yes!

(I also have a younger swimmer.)

No, no, and no. The activity is not entertainment for you. It is an experience for the children. How gross to want to watch. It's like the weirdos that want cameras in classrooms. Do you want an audience in you yoga class watching you learn a new skill. Voyeurs.

You forget about all the abuse that goes on when there is no one watching. I'd much prefer other parents watching. No one monitors the locker rooms or makes sure the kids get to their parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s really crummy that so many of you hope spectators are never allowed back. There are waaaaay fewer volunteer spots at most meets than there are swimmers. At one meet, I wanted to time, in part so my 7 yo wouldn’t have to find her way through some unfamiliar facility alone, but parents from other teams took our team’s desígnated volunteer slots before we even got the info.
Unless there’s a real reason like COVID, people should be allowed to watch their kids/grandkids/siblings swim. Our club always required everyone to volunteer a certain number of hours anyway.

Yes, yes, and yes!

(I also have a younger swimmer.)

No, no, and no. The activity is not entertainment for you. It is an experience for the children. How gross to want to watch. It's like the weirdos that want cameras in classrooms. Do you want an audience in you yoga class watching you learn a new skill. Voyeurs.

You forget about all the abuse that goes on when there is no one watching. I'd much prefer other parents watching. No one monitors the locker rooms or makes sure the kids get to their parents.

You are thinking about this all wrong. You want vetted background checked staff and volunteers. Not random parents. You want a very controlled environment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s really crummy that so many of you hope spectators are never allowed back. There are waaaaay fewer volunteer spots at most meets than there are swimmers. At one meet, I wanted to time, in part so my 7 yo wouldn’t have to find her way through some unfamiliar facility alone, but parents from other teams took our team’s desígnated volunteer slots before we even got the info.
Unless there’s a real reason like COVID, people should be allowed to watch their kids/grandkids/siblings swim. Our club always required everyone to volunteer a certain number of hours anyway.

Yes, yes, and yes!

(I also have a younger swimmer.)

No, no, and no. The activity is not entertainment for you. It is an experience for the children. How gross to want to watch. It's like the weirdos that want cameras in classrooms. Do you want an audience in you yoga class watching you learn a new skill. Voyeurs.

You forget about all the abuse that goes on when there is no one watching. I'd much prefer other parents watching. No one monitors the locker rooms or makes sure the kids get to their parents.

You are thinking about this all wrong. You want vetted background checked staff and volunteers. Not random parents. You want a very controlled environment.

A vetted background check only helps for those actually caught. I am concerned with those who haven't been caught. I would hope a random parent would stop abuse if they saw it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3772795/Police-Woman-working-lifeguard-raped-pool.html

https://wjla.com/news/local/woman-alleges-rape-assault-inside-wilson-aquatic-center-locker-room-97400

https://www.aquaticsintl.com/facilities/management-operators/whos-watching-the-children_o

We have 2-3 coaches for 60 kids, 8-10 kids in a lane. They don't know all the kids names, let alone monitor what happens when kids go to the locker room or just leave. My child has left early a few times and no one said anything or stopped them. (younger child, not teen) Child said they saw them leave and never said anything or checked with us to make sure it was ok. And, coaches don't return email/calls. So, yes, as a parent I want to be there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s really crummy that so many of you hope spectators are never allowed back. There are waaaaay fewer volunteer spots at most meets than there are swimmers. At one meet, I wanted to time, in part so my 7 yo wouldn’t have to find her way through some unfamiliar facility alone, but parents from other teams took our team’s desígnated volunteer slots before we even got the info.
Unless there’s a real reason like COVID, people should be allowed to watch their kids/grandkids/siblings swim. Our club always required everyone to volunteer a certain number of hours anyway.

Yes, yes, and yes!

(I also have a younger swimmer.)

No, no, and no. The activity is not entertainment for you. It is an experience for the children. How gross to want to watch. It's like the weirdos that want cameras in classrooms. Do you want an audience in you yoga class watching you learn a new skill. Voyeurs.

You forget about all the abuse that goes on when there is no one watching. I'd much prefer other parents watching. No one monitors the locker rooms or makes sure the kids get to their parents.

You are thinking about this all wrong. You want vetted background checked staff and volunteers. Not random parents. You want a very controlled environment.

A vetted background check only helps for those actually caught. I am concerned with those who haven't been caught. I would hope a random parent would stop abuse if they saw it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3772795/Police-Woman-working-lifeguard-raped-pool.html

https://wjla.com/news/local/woman-alleges-rape-assault-inside-wilson-aquatic-center-locker-room-97400

https://www.aquaticsintl.com/facilities/management-operators/whos-watching-the-children_o

We have 2-3 coaches for 60 kids, 8-10 kids in a lane. They don't know all the kids names, let alone monitor what happens when kids go to the locker room or just leave. My child has left early a few times and no one said anything or stopped them. (younger child, not teen) Child said they saw them leave and never said anything or checked with us to make sure it was ok. And, coaches don't return email/calls. So, yes, as a parent I want to be there.

Then advocate for many background checked volunteers. You do not want just any adults wandering around. They could be anyone from anywhere having done anything in their past. Allowing random adults is a huge red flag security risk. I want parent volunteers involved but they need to be scrutinized first.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s really crummy that so many of you hope spectators are never allowed back. There are waaaaay fewer volunteer spots at most meets than there are swimmers. At one meet, I wanted to time, in part so my 7 yo wouldn’t have to find her way through some unfamiliar facility alone, but parents from other teams took our team’s desígnated volunteer slots before we even got the info.
Unless there’s a real reason like COVID, people should be allowed to watch their kids/grandkids/siblings swim. Our club always required everyone to volunteer a certain number of hours anyway.

Yes, yes, and yes!

(I also have a younger swimmer.)

No, no, and no. The activity is not entertainment for you. It is an experience for the children. How gross to want to watch. It's like the weirdos that want cameras in classrooms. Do you want an audience in you yoga class watching you learn a new skill. Voyeurs.

You forget about all the abuse that goes on when there is no one watching. I'd much prefer other parents watching. No one monitors the locker rooms or makes sure the kids get to their parents.

You are thinking about this all wrong. You want vetted background checked staff and volunteers. Not random parents. You want a very controlled environment.

A vetted background check only helps for those actually caught. I am concerned with those who haven't been caught. I would hope a random parent would stop abuse if they saw it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3772795/Police-Woman-working-lifeguard-raped-pool.html

https://wjla.com/news/local/woman-alleges-rape-assault-inside-wilson-aquatic-center-locker-room-97400

https://www.aquaticsintl.com/facilities/management-operators/whos-watching-the-children_o

We have 2-3 coaches for 60 kids, 8-10 kids in a lane. They don't know all the kids names, let alone monitor what happens when kids go to the locker room or just leave. My child has left early a few times and no one said anything or stopped them. (younger child, not teen) Child said they saw them leave and never said anything or checked with us to make sure it was ok. And, coaches don't return email/calls. So, yes, as a parent I want to be there.

Then find a better program.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s really crummy that so many of you hope spectators are never allowed back. There are waaaaay fewer volunteer spots at most meets than there are swimmers. At one meet, I wanted to time, in part so my 7 yo wouldn’t have to find her way through some unfamiliar facility alone, but parents from other teams took our team’s desígnated volunteer slots before we even got the info.
Unless there’s a real reason like COVID, people should be allowed to watch their kids/grandkids/siblings swim. Our club always required everyone to volunteer a certain number of hours anyway.

Yes, yes, and yes!

(I also have a younger swimmer.)

No, no, and no. The activity is not entertainment for you. It is an experience for the children. How gross to want to watch. It's like the weirdos that want cameras in classrooms. Do you want an audience in you yoga class watching you learn a new skill. Voyeurs.

You forget about all the abuse that goes on when there is no one watching. I'd much prefer other parents watching. No one monitors the locker rooms or makes sure the kids get to their parents.

You are thinking about this all wrong. You want vetted background checked staff and volunteers. Not random parents. You want a very controlled environment.

A vetted background check only helps for those actually caught. I am concerned with those who haven't been caught. I would hope a random parent would stop abuse if they saw it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3772795/Police-Woman-working-lifeguard-raped-pool.html

https://wjla.com/news/local/woman-alleges-rape-assault-inside-wilson-aquatic-center-locker-room-97400

https://www.aquaticsintl.com/facilities/management-operators/whos-watching-the-children_o

We have 2-3 coaches for 60 kids, 8-10 kids in a lane. They don't know all the kids names, let alone monitor what happens when kids go to the locker room or just leave. My child has left early a few times and no one said anything or stopped them. (younger child, not teen) Child said they saw them leave and never said anything or checked with us to make sure it was ok. And, coaches don't return email/calls. So, yes, as a parent I want to be there.

Then advocate for many background checked volunteers. You do not want just any adults wandering around. They could be anyone from anywhere having done anything in their past. Allowing random adults is a huge red flag security risk. I want parent volunteers involved but they need to be scrutinized first.

I agree with background checks but you are missing the point that a background check only shows someone who has been convicted. I am more concerned about those who are abusing/not caught yet. At some of the large public pools there needs to be much more security, especially for the little ones.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:It’s really crummy that so many of you hope spectators are never allowed back. There are waaaaay fewer volunteer spots at most meets than there are swimmers. At one meet, I wanted to time, in part so my 7 yo wouldn’t have to find her way through some unfamiliar facility alone, but parents from other teams took our team’s desígnated volunteer slots before we even got the info.
Unless there’s a real reason like COVID, people should be allowed to watch their kids/grandkids/siblings swim. Our club always required everyone to volunteer a certain number of hours anyway.

Yes, yes, and yes!

(I also have a younger swimmer.)

Point taken but your are still missing the point. By adding unvetted adults you are adding exposure points. You have no idea who those other adults are and neither does the staff when it isn't controlled access. Anyone claiming to be a parent can get in the locker rooms with young kids? That's insane. People need to be identified. The program needs to know who is going in and out and when. Just allowing access to all parents is nuts. No way. They are more likely to be a perp and not yet caught than the staff.

No, no, and no. The activity is not entertainment for you. It is an experience for the children. How gross to want to watch. It's like the weirdos that want cameras in classrooms. Do you want an audience in you yoga class watching you learn a new skill. Voyeurs.

You forget about all the abuse that goes on when there is no one watching. I'd much prefer other parents watching. No one monitors the locker rooms or makes sure the kids get to their parents.

You are thinking about this all wrong. You want vetted background checked staff and volunteers. Not random parents. You want a very controlled environment.

A vetted background check only helps for those actually caught. I am concerned with those who haven't been caught. I would hope a random parent would stop abuse if they saw it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3772795/Police-Woman-working-lifeguard-raped-pool.html

https://wjla.com/news/local/woman-alleges-rape-assault-inside-wilson-aquatic-center-locker-room-97400

https://www.aquaticsintl.com/facilities/management-operators/whos-watching-the-children_o

We have 2-3 coaches for 60 kids, 8-10 kids in a lane. They don't know all the kids names, let alone monitor what happens when kids go to the locker room or just leave. My child has left early a few times and no one said anything or stopped them. (younger child, not teen) Child said they saw them leave and never said anything or checked with us to make sure it was ok. And, coaches don't return email/calls. So, yes, as a parent I want to be there.

Then advocate for many background checked volunteers. You do not want just any adults wandering around. They could be anyone from anywhere having done anything in their past. Allowing random adults is a huge red flag security risk. I want parent volunteers involved but they need to be scrutinized first.

I agree with background checks but you are missing the point that a background check only shows someone who has been convicted. I am more concerned about those who are abusing/not caught yet. At some of the large public pools there needs to be much more security, especially for the little ones.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s really crummy that so many of you hope spectators are never allowed back. There are waaaaay fewer volunteer spots at most meets than there are swimmers. At one meet, I wanted to time, in part so my 7 yo wouldn’t have to find her way through some unfamiliar facility alone, but parents from other teams took our team’s desígnated volunteer slots before we even got the info.
Unless there’s a real reason like COVID, people should be allowed to watch their kids/grandkids/siblings swim. Our club always required everyone to volunteer a certain number of hours anyway.

Yes, yes, and yes!

(I also have a younger swimmer.)

No, no, and no. The activity is not entertainment for you. It is an experience for the children. How gross to want to watch. It's like the weirdos that want cameras in classrooms. Do you want an audience in you yoga class watching you learn a new skill. Voyeurs.

It's totally normal for parents to watch kids practice or compete. I feel bad when I DON'T watch practices. I was booted out of my kids' practices when Covid hit because no one wanted a nurse at the practice, when I could expose other peopel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s really crummy that so many of you hope spectators are never allowed back. There are waaaaay fewer volunteer spots at most meets than there are swimmers. At one meet, I wanted to time, in part so my 7 yo wouldn’t have to find her way through some unfamiliar facility alone, but parents from other teams took our team’s desígnated volunteer slots before we even got the info.
Unless there’s a real reason like COVID, people should be allowed to watch their kids/grandkids/siblings swim. Our club always required everyone to volunteer a certain number of hours anyway.

Yes, yes, and yes!

(I also have a younger swimmer.)

No, no, and no. The activity is not entertainment for you. It is an experience for the children. How gross to want to watch. It's like the weirdos that want cameras in classrooms. Do you want an audience in you yoga class watching you learn a new skill. Voyeurs.

It's totally normal for parents to watch kids practice or compete. I feel bad when I DON'T watch practices. I was booted out of my kids' practices when Covid hit because no one wanted a nurse at the practice, when I could expose other peopel.

They should be booting everyone, not just a nurse. I'd rather have a nurse there for safety/accidents.

When I "watched" watching was me on an iPad or phone and looking up every so often when my kid was on deck when they looked to make sure I was there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s really crummy that so many of you hope spectators are never allowed back. There are waaaaay fewer volunteer spots at most meets than there are swimmers. At one meet, I wanted to time, in part so my 7 yo wouldn’t have to find her way through some unfamiliar facility alone, but parents from other teams took our team’s desígnated volunteer slots before we even got the info.
Unless there’s a real reason like COVID, people should be allowed to watch their kids/grandkids/siblings swim. Our club always required everyone to volunteer a certain number of hours anyway.

Yes, yes, and yes!

(I also have a younger swimmer.)

No, no, and no. The activity is not entertainment for you. It is an experience for the children. How gross to want to watch. It's like the weirdos that want cameras in classrooms. Do you want an audience in you yoga class watching you learn a new skill. Voyeurs.

It's totally normal for parents to watch kids practice or compete. I feel bad when I DON'T watch practices. I was booted out of my kids' practices when Covid hit because no one wanted a nurse at the practice, when I could expose other peopel.

They should be booting everyone. Just no need.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s really crummy that so many of you hope spectators are never allowed back. There are waaaaay fewer volunteer spots at most meets than there are swimmers. At one meet, I wanted to time, in part so my 7 yo wouldn’t have to find her way through some unfamiliar facility alone, but parents from other teams took our team’s desígnated volunteer slots before we even got the info.
Unless there’s a real reason like COVID, people should be allowed to watch their kids/grandkids/siblings swim. Our club always required everyone to volunteer a certain number of hours anyway.

Yes, yes, and yes!

(I also have a younger swimmer.)

No, no, and no. The activity is not entertainment for you. It is an experience for the children. How gross to want to watch. It's like the weirdos that want cameras in classrooms. Do you want an audience in you yoga class watching you learn a new skill. Voyeurs.

Either this is a joke or something is seriously wrong with you. Are people also voyeurs if they watch their kid’s soccer game? Dance recital? Baseball game? How the hell is a swim meet any different?? I guess all those people attending NFL & MLB games are sick too. They should let those guys play in private.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s really crummy that so many of you hope spectators are never allowed back. There are waaaaay fewer volunteer spots at most meets than there are swimmers. At one meet, I wanted to time, in part so my 7 yo wouldn’t have to find her way through some unfamiliar facility alone, but parents from other teams took our team’s desígnated volunteer slots before we even got the info.
Unless there’s a real reason like COVID, people should be allowed to watch their kids/grandkids/siblings swim. Our club always required everyone to volunteer a certain number of hours anyway.

Yes, yes, and yes!

(I also have a younger swimmer.)

No, no, and no. The activity is not entertainment for you. It is an experience for the children. How gross to want to watch. It's like the weirdos that want cameras in classrooms. Do you want an audience in you yoga class watching you learn a new skill. Voyeurs.

You forget about all the abuse that goes on when there is no one watching. I'd much prefer other parents watching. No one monitors the locker rooms or makes sure the kids get to their parents.

You are thinking about this all wrong. You want vetted background checked staff and volunteers. Not random parents. You want a very controlled environment.

A vetted background check only helps for those actually caught. I am concerned with those who haven't been caught. I would hope a random parent would stop abuse if they saw it.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3772795/Police-Woman-working-lifeguard-raped-pool.html

https://wjla.com/news/local/woman-alleges-rape-assault-inside-wilson-aquatic-center-locker-room-97400

https://www.aquaticsintl.com/facilities/management-operators/whos-watching-the-children_o

We have 2-3 coaches for 60 kids, 8-10 kids in a lane. They don't know all the kids names, let alone monitor what happens when kids go to the locker room or just leave. My child has left early a few times and no one said anything or stopped them. (younger child, not teen) Child said they saw them leave and never said anything or checked with us to make sure it was ok. And, coaches don't return email/calls. So, yes, as a parent I want to be there.

If you have a younger child with that many kids in a lane and so few coaches they must be in a high swim group. Most little kids are in smaller groups. If not, there are too many kids in a lane and not enough coaches.

Also Swim is not a sport for kids that can't mind themselves.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Is there such a things as spectator police? Will someone come physically remove you or ask you to leave or do folks go about their business? Lots of things are "prohibited" but folks do it anyway.

The refs at the moco eec basketball game called out some nuts parents this weekend. Patience for parent antics are at a all time low. I expect that enforcement will come as compliance with the rules dwindles.

But that's not swim right? different sport right? parents much closer to the action than swim parents in bleachers - right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s really crummy that so many of you hope spectators are never allowed back. There are waaaaay fewer volunteer spots at most meets than there are swimmers. At one meet, I wanted to time, in part so my 7 yo wouldn’t have to find her way through some unfamiliar facility alone, but parents from other teams took our team’s desígnated volunteer slots before we even got the info.
Unless there’s a real reason like COVID, people should be allowed to watch their kids/grandkids/siblings swim. Our club always required everyone to volunteer a certain number of hours anyway.

Yes, yes, and yes!

(I also have a younger swimmer.)

No, no, and no. The activity is not entertainment for you. It is an experience for the children. How gross to want to watch. It's like the weirdos that want cameras in classrooms. Do you want an audience in you yoga class watching you learn a new skill. Voyeurs.

It's totally normal for parents to watch kids practice or compete. I feel bad when I DON'T watch practices. I was booted out of my kids' practices when Covid hit because no one wanted a nurse at the practice, when I could expose other peopel.

This idea pops up on DCUM from time to time. That parents are weird or gross or clingy for wanting to watch their kids practice or compete.

Call me crazy, but I love watching my kids do things that bring them joy. It can be anything. DD is in the theater. So when her theater group has 4 shows over the weekend, you better believe that I'm going to all of them. I love watching her perform.

DS loves baseball. So, when time permits, I bring a chair and sit far away so I don't interfere, but I love watching him catch fly balls and take batting practice.

No judgement to other parents that want to spent their time in other ways. But seeing them find happiness in their hobbies brings me happiness. It's not gross at all