SEL screener survey

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the uselessness of the survey itself, the results letter was incredibly dense and full of jargon. The second sentence is 50 words long! Although the letter sort of says it's not a "grade", the rating scale is very similar to a grade. The entire rating scale is poorly described and the two digit decimal precision is ridiculous. There's also no other context given - how do my kids ratings compare to the overall school average? A friendlier format that fully explains each topic with the student's results and suggested discussion questions would have been far more useful.

There may be some value here, but the average parent either won't understand this letter or worse, completely misunderstand it.

We'll be opting out in the future.

Why didn’t you opt out to begin with?

Where was this? Never saw it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the uselessness of the survey itself, the results letter was incredibly dense and full of jargon. The second sentence is 50 words long! Although the letter sort of says it's not a "grade", the rating scale is very similar to a grade. The entire rating scale is poorly described and the two digit decimal precision is ridiculous. There's also no other context given - how do my kids ratings compare to the overall school average? A friendlier format that fully explains each topic with the student's results and suggested discussion questions would have been far more useful.

There may be some value here, but the average parent either won't understand this letter or worse, completely misunderstand it.

We'll be opting out in the future.

Why didn’t you opt out to begin with?

Where was this? Never saw it.

An opt out form was sent in our Friday folders. Additionally, it was on the FCPS website, along with a copy of the exact survey that was being administered. Once I saw the survey, I immediately knew I wanted to opt out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the uselessness of the survey itself, the results letter was incredibly dense and full of jargon. The second sentence is 50 words long! Although the letter sort of says it's not a "grade", the rating scale is very similar to a grade. The entire rating scale is poorly described and the two digit decimal precision is ridiculous. There's also no other context given - how do my kids ratings compare to the overall school average? A friendlier format that fully explains each topic with the student's results and suggested discussion questions would have been far more useful.

There may be some value here, but the average parent either won't understand this letter or worse, completely misunderstand it.

We'll be opting out in the future.

Why didn’t you opt out to begin with?

Where was this? Never saw it.

An opt out form was sent in our Friday folders. Additionally, it was on the FCPS website, along with a copy of the exact survey that was being administered. Once I saw the survey, I immediately knew I wanted to opt out.

I have a senior. No Friday folders for us.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you feel strongly, opt out, but keep in mind some of the conspiracy here. There is no data meaning of your kids. The "connection," to Facebook is that that evil twat Zuckerberg is an investor. That's all. Most of this controversy over the data and FB is more crazy right-wing anti-CRT astroturfing campaigns.

I am not dismissing individual parents and their concerns with the questions, but don't let the paranoid conspiracies drive the discussion.

Panorama has signed a legally binding contract with FCPS that specifies how the data will be collected, stored, and used," said a FCPS spokesperson. "The data will be used only for the purposes of serving FCPS and only for education purposes. In addition, Panorama complies with all applicable federal laws, such as the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA) and the Protection of Pupil Rights Amendment (PPRA), as well as state and local regulations concerning student data.”

Panorama was granted FERPA by fcps. That should never have happened. Panorama is not a public school and should not have access to such sensitive student information.

Panorama is also exempt from FOIA oversight.

There have access because they are the ones who do the analysis of the data. It's a little bit on the conspiratorial side to think that they would break the laws and their contracts to do anything with the data.
This week, media implied that FCPS student data collected through a screener meant to assess the social and emotional welfare of our students could be shared with organizations such as Facebook. We would like to reassure our community that any suggestion of this kind is false.

"FCPS has contracted with Panorama Education, Inc., an established and reputable educational research company used by multiple school divisions in the U.S. to conduct this screener. While FCPS shares student data directly with Panorama Education, no other parties have access to the data. Student data will be kept confidential and used only for FCPS’ educational purposes. Panorama Education complies with all applicable federal laws, including FERPA and the Protection of Pupil Rights Amendment (PPRA), as well as state and local regulations concerning student data."

Why did FCPS send out that response? Because the crazy right wing campaigning was already beginning:

"This week, media implied that FCPS student data collected through a screener meant to assess the social and emotional welfare of our students could be shared with organizations such as Facebook. We would like to reassure our community that any suggestion of this kind is false."

I'm just tired of the lies and the misdirection from people. Let's deal with reality not made up issues. We have plenty of real issues without creating them out of thin air

Fcpa has been hacked before and it's 9bly a matter of time before they are again.

I give them as little data as possible.

Agree.

Your child’s data is NOT secure with FCPS. Best to opt out of the screener (we did).

[Anonymous]

Maybe we could start a different thread for those of us who have questions on the results. And those who want to keep complaining about the survey can stay here and go at it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ Let's assume a hack. How on earth would answers to questions about if you have too much homework or if you feel worried about something harm your child if it got out? You are WAY overestimating the impact of this info.

FZCPS has way way more sensitive information about your children, which means do not ask for IEPs, counseling, discipline, anything, if a hack is your big concern.

And let's talk about this conspiratorial data mining. What exactly would Panorama do with this information if they were dumb enough to violate their contract and the law?

Think clearly people, rationally.

Sound like you've never held a security clearance.

You know what's funny, I do have a clearance and I was arrested for underage drinking. There is nothing in that form, filled out when the child was under age, that would preclude them from getting a clearance. Nothing. People are really reaching here.

[Anonymous]

We can only hope that the language and attitude used by some in this thread towards parents who have genuine concerns about how FCPS allocates money from the school budget and emergency funds, or about the privacy of their children’s records, doesn’t replicate at school towards kids who are independent thinkers.
As tax payers, we are allowed to question what Panorama has done so far with the information collected from our kids —besides making a fortune — or having FCPS casually release it to parents, some of whom are not even sure how to interpret the results, while many others continue to resent the significant amount of time and budget allocated to this social experiment when there are so many other academic needs and priorities that are more pressing given the learning loss students have experienced in the last decade, not to mention as a result of the pandemic.
We don’t need further explanation nor justification from FCPS on the validity of this SEL program since most parents don’t necessarily need outsiders to do our jobs in that area, and when we do, we seek the assistance of true professionals rather than relying on a for-profit company. What we need from FCPS instead, is to learn more about how our kids are doing academically and how they are using funds allocated to the school for remediation where needed, or to further growth in that area. In order to do so, funding needs to go to hire many more teachers and aids to decrease class sizes—as well as to increase their wages and decrease their administrative work so they can focus on teaching; to hire (and better pay) more custodians, clinic aides, and other faculty support staff that will allow for teachers to focus on instructing and class management without all those added tasks that have been added to their already heavy workload.
And, unless you are an activist, a politician, or an influencer, most adults prefer to maintain personal information private, especially that of our children, irregardless of where we stand on the political spectrum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I looked up the questions and there's no way my third grader understood any of them. On the up side, the only 5 she got was the importance of school

Yeah there’s no possible way that 3rd or even 4th graders with average reading comprehension would understand any of this. Even older ES kids who sometimes struggle with reading would have problems. The results of this survey should be considered extremely suspect at best for ES kids, and taken with a huge grain of salt for everyone else.

[Anonymous]

Our results came in the mail yesterday. My 6th grader was 4 or 5s. My 14 yo son was pretty much straight 1-2s. I remembered when he took it. He came home and said he took some stupid survey in school to find out how messed up students were so he gave them what they wanted to hear and picked the “worst” possible answer for each question. I didn’t mention results to either and threw them out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We can only hope that the language and attitude used by some in this thread towards parents who have genuine concerns about how FCPS allocates money from the school budget and emergency funds, or about the privacy of their children’s records, doesn’t replicate at school towards kids who are independent thinkers.
As tax payers, we are allowed to question what Panorama has done so far with the information collected from our kids —besides making a fortune — or having FCPS casually release it to parents, some of whom are not even sure how to interpret the results, while many others continue to resent the significant amount of time and budget allocated to this social experiment when there are so many other academic needs and priorities that are more pressing given the learning loss students have experienced in the last decade, not to mention as a result of the pandemic.
We don’t need further explanation nor justification from FCPS on the validity of this SEL program since most parents don’t necessarily need outsiders to do our jobs in that area, and when we do, we seek the assistance of true professionals rather than relying on a for-profit company. What we need from FCPS instead, is to learn more about how our kids are doing academically and how they are using funds allocated to the school for remediation where needed, or to further growth in that area. In order to do so, funding needs to go to hire many more teachers and aids to decrease class sizes—as well as to increase their wages and decrease their administrative work so they can focus on teaching; to hire (and better pay) more custodians, clinic aides, and other faculty support staff that will allow for teachers to focus on instructing and class management without all those added tasks that have been added to their already heavy workload.
And, unless you are an activist, a politician, or an influencer, most adults prefer to maintain personal information private, especially that of our children, irregardless of where we stand on the political spectrum.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the uselessness of the survey itself, the results letter was incredibly dense and full of jargon. The second sentence is 50 words long! Although the letter sort of says it's not a "grade", the rating scale is very similar to a grade. The entire rating scale is poorly described and the two digit decimal precision is ridiculous. There's also no other context given - how do my kids ratings compare to the overall school average? A friendlier format that fully explains each topic with the student's results and suggested discussion questions would have been far more useful.

There may be some value here, but the average parent either won't understand this letter or worse, completely misunderstand it.

We'll be opting out in the future.

Why didn’t you opt out to begin with?

Where was this? Never saw it.

An opt out form was sent in our Friday folders. Additionally, it was on the FCPS website, along with a copy of the exact survey that was being administered. Once I saw the survey, I immediately knew I wanted to opt out.

I have a senior. No Friday folders for us.

I didn’t first see the information in Friday folders. It was on the FCPS website since the beginning of the year under testing. It listed what tests would be administered this year for each grade level. I saw SEL survey and clicked on it. I knew immediately based on the inappropriateness of some of the questions that I would be opting my kids out.

I check the website frequently, especially at the beginning of the year. I suggest you do the same. Oh that’s also how I found out about the “urban youth” survey. We opted out of that one too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We can only hope that the language and attitude used by some in this thread towards parents who have genuine concerns about how FCPS allocates money from the school budget and emergency funds, or about the privacy of their children’s records, doesn’t replicate at school towards kids who are independent thinkers.
As tax payers, we are allowed to question what Panorama has done so far with the information collected from our kids —besides making a fortune — or having FCPS casually release it to parents, some of whom are not even sure how to interpret the results, while many others continue to resent the significant amount of time and budget allocated to this social experiment when there are so many other academic needs and priorities that are more pressing given the learning loss students have experienced in the last decade, not to mention as a result of the pandemic.
We don’t need further explanation nor justification from FCPS on the validity of this SEL program since most parents don’t necessarily need outsiders to do our jobs in that area, and when we do, we seek the assistance of true professionals rather than relying on a for-profit company. What we need from FCPS instead, is to learn more about how our kids are doing academically and how they are using funds allocated to the school for remediation where needed, or to further growth in that area. In order to do so, funding needs to go to hire many more teachers and aids to decrease class sizes—as well as to increase their wages and decrease their administrative work so they can focus on teaching; to hire (and better pay) more custodians, clinic aides, and other faculty support staff that will allow for teachers to focus on instructing and class management without all those added tasks that have been added to their already heavy workload.
And, unless you are an activist, a politician, or an influencer, most adults prefer to maintain personal information private, especially that of our children, irregardless of where we stand on the political spectrum.

+1

And that's fine, opt out. That is your right, but there's really no need to then come and troll on and derail a thread where people are discussing results.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Our results came in the mail yesterday. My 6th grader was 4 or 5s. My 14 yo son was pretty much straight 1-2s. I remembered when he took it. He came home and said he took some stupid survey in school to find out how messed up students were so he gave them what they wanted to hear and picked the “worst” possible answer for each question. I didn’t mention results to either and threw them out.

Why would the school hope to hear that kids are messed up? Maybe he's telling YOU what YOU want to hear, but telling the school how he really feels?

[Anonymous]

What is the “urban youth” survey that someone mentions above?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Putting aside the uselessness of the survey itself, the results letter was incredibly dense and full of jargon. The second sentence is 50 words long! Although the letter sort of says it's not a "grade", the rating scale is very similar to a grade. The entire rating scale is poorly described and the two digit decimal precision is ridiculous. There's also no other context given - how do my kids ratings compare to the overall school average? A friendlier format that fully explains each topic with the student's results and suggested discussion questions would have been far more useful.

There may be some value here, but the average parent either won't understand this letter or worse, completely misunderstand it.

We'll be opting out in the future.

Why didn’t you opt out to begin with?

Where was this? Never saw it.

An opt out form was sent in our Friday folders. Additionally, it was on the FCPS website, along with a copy of the exact survey that was being administered. Once I saw the survey, I immediately knew I wanted to opt out.

Fcps tries to be as non transparent as possible with the opt out forms.

Contrast that with how vigilant and harrassing they are when they are trying to collect impact aide forms.