ACPS, APS, et al sue over EO

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s gross how many people suddenly “care” about vulnerable and disabled kids when it supports the narrative they want (to continue masking), but they were utterly willing to throw vulnerable and disabled kids under the bus last school year when they wanted schools closed. We parents of special needs kids see through you.

WTF are you talking about? I have a disabled kid and I'm very pro mask.

You don't speak for me.

NP here. I have a disabled kid, and he is missing out on important social development because FCPS is clinging to their mask mandate. If people are truly fine with eliminating the mandate in another month as they are claiming, then fine, we can wait. But I fear that they will say we should wait until the end of the year, or wear masks every cold/flu season "because of the disabled kids."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Even if the EO is invalid, it sounds like there's a moderate Dem state senatory who will vote with the GOP on this issue. 20-20 in the senate and the Lt. Gov breaks the tie. Obviously, the law will get trhough the GOP-controlled state house. So it's only a matter of time. Mandatory masking will be gone by April at the latest, most likely. And along with that, it goes from pandemic to endemic. Feds back to the office, etc. It's wrapping up, folks. Sorry.

This. The off ramp to “parent’s choice” is coming. You can see the inevitability of it in how the FCCPS school board framed up its policy regarding the EO. For the cynical, school-board partisans may now be playing to cast the off-ramp as a D win, rather than an R win.

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Miyares has filed a motion to dismiss the parents’ lawsuit on the grounds that the parents failed to allege adequate particularized injuries to them resulting from the EO.


Um, except their kids potentially getting COVID if other students refuse to wear masks?


Exactly how do u prove the covid they caught is because maskless kid in class and not maskless kid on the court/field/sleepover? No further questions your honor.


Whelp, personally, my kid is disabled, so he is not on sports fields or courts, nor has he ever been invited to a sleepover (and probably could not attend even if he were). So it would definitely be school for him.


Is it possible that he could catch Covid from his parents? I assume that they are going out in society (work, Walmart. grocery stores... where they pass by people not wearing masks). Unless the parents are locked down in the house as well, then there is no way to prove that he got it from school.

I work from home and his father is deceased. I get groceries delivered, because I do not want to increase DS's chances of contracting COVID, in light of his many other unrelated medical challenges. School is a must, going to Whole Foods in person is not.

Well, if you truly do not go out of your house ever, and your son only goes out of your house to go to school, then I do think you have a case. When the mask mandate is repealed and your son catches Covid, I think you should hire an attorney and sue for damages.

The ACLU of Virginia is building a class action. If your child does have a disability that makes them vulnerable/puts them at risk, reach out to them. You will not be alone.

https://acluva.org/en/get-help/intakes

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Oh FFS. This is absurd. Now kids with disabilities have a right to make other kids mask to protect them? I’m not against masking during a surge, but where does this end. If COVID never goes away or doesn’t become endemic for a few more years, does this literally mean my kid (who was in K last year) will be masked in school for YEARS of his childhood because of some small chance another kid gets very ill? Keep in mind even at the peak of things without vaccines, we have yet to have a single child die in Arlington County. But let’s turn this into a freaking civil rights issue.

Nice of you to give a sh t about special needs kids.

I have a special ed child on the spectrum and with language issues. Masks have been a struggle for us and school closures a nightmare, but no one really cared the past 2 years because all society seems to care about anymore is COVID. So I’m sorry if I just don’t feel that all kids need to keep masking as some sort of right for kids scared of getting sick. We are never going to make schools a germ free bubble.

+1 No one seems to care about MY special needs kid with autism. Masking has been terrible for his language and social development. NoVa people only seem to care about immunocompromised special needs kids.

I actually understand the problems masks pose on certain special needs kids. But, I disagree that the problem is the general mask mandate. The problem os public schools last of creativity. To the extent necessary, special needs students should have been served one on one in a setting (including virtual where appropriate) so the student and provider can take their masks off.

Also, no one is saying masks forever. Right now, we are past the surge in the local areas but at numbers higher than the rest of the pandemic.

Maybe the immunocompromised children can go to school virtually in a one-on-one setting. (I am not serious as this is abusive, just like not serving special needs kids where mask-wearing and virtual learning is abusive). The problem with masks is they also hinder social and emotional development, something children cannot get without in-person schooling in a classrooms setting. Can you imagine being a K or 1st grader not seeing your teacher smile when you do a really good job? I also imagine it is confusing as they see their friends while eating lunch with their masks off, and then have to put them back on to do reading group. Adults will one day have a reckoning for what we have done to our kids. Also, friendly reminder, ACPS cared so little about COVID the administration refused to allow outdoor lunch because it was not equitable? But forcing a speech and language impaired child to mask, even during therapy, is? Politics have become blinding and all-consuming.

[Anonymous]

Everyone needs to take a breath. This is a ridiculous lawsuit. People need to learn how to prioritize. People who want a mask will wear one. That's all that really matters ultimately.

All of this is a waste. Of time, money, energy, so much of everything important.

People need to be held responsible for their own actions. If we really truly need a mandate to keep us all safe, we are all dumb as s***. On some level, we need to own our actions. My other thing is while we are vaxxed, wear a mask, etc. I totally get why people don't want to mask up.

I get daily notices from school about COVID students. Mask or no mask, we're all going to get sick. If you don't get it from school, you must be getting it from elsewhere but ultimately, you are getting COVID. So no, I don't think masks are the saving grace of COVID. The pros and cons have to be weighed and if some people feel that masking in school isn't advantageous, then they should have that choice of not masking their kid. They get sick, that's them. You can mask up and not get sick.

This lawsuit makes me MORE supportive of Youngkin, not less. A bunch of idiots suing because they want to enforce their perspectives on all is what the Democrats have become.

[Anonymous]

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Miyares has filed a motion to dismiss the parents’ lawsuit on the grounds that the parents failed to allege adequate particularized injuries to them resulting from the EO.


Um, except their kids potentially getting COVID if other students refuse to wear masks?


Exactly how do u prove the covid they caught is because maskless kid in class and not maskless kid on the court/field/sleepover? No further questions your honor.


Whelp, personally, my kid is disabled, so he is not on sports fields or courts, nor has he ever been invited to a sleepover (and probably could not attend even if he were). So it would definitely be school for him.


Is it possible that he could catch Covid from his parents? I assume that they are going out in society (work, Walmart. grocery stores... where they pass by people not wearing masks). Unless the parents are locked down in the house as well, then there is no way to prove that he got it from school.

I work from home and his father is deceased. I get groceries delivered, because I do not want to increase DS's chances of contracting COVID, in light of his many other unrelated medical challenges. School is a must, going to Whole Foods in person is not.

Well, if you truly do not go out of your house ever, and your son only goes out of your house to go to school, then I do think you have a case. When the mask mandate is repealed and your son catches Covid, I think you should hire an attorney and sue for damages.

The ACLU of Virginia is building a class action. If your child does have a disability that makes them vulnerable/puts them at risk, reach out to them. You will not be alone.

https://acluva.org/en/get-help/intakes

[e-mail]

https://www.facebook.com/acluofvirginia/

https://twitter.com/ACLUVA/status/1485711505568014346?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1485711505568014346%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpublish.twitter.com%2F%3Fquery%3Dhttps3A2F2Ftwitter.com2FACLUVA2Fstatus2F1485711505568014346widget%3DTweet

Oh FFS. This is absurd. Now kids with disabilities have a right to make other kids mask to protect them? I’m not against masking during a surge, but where does this end. If COVID never goes away or doesn’t become endemic for a few more years, does this literally mean my kid (who was in K last year) will be masked in school for YEARS of his childhood because of some small chance another kid gets very ill? Keep in mind even at the peak of things without vaccines, we have yet to have a single child die in Arlington County. But let’s turn this into a freaking civil rights issue.

Nice of you to give a sh t about special needs kids.

I have a special ed child on the spectrum and with language issues. Masks have been a struggle for us and school closures a nightmare, but no one really cared the past 2 years because all society seems to care about anymore is COVID. So I’m sorry if I just don’t feel that all kids need to keep masking as some sort of right for kids scared of getting sick. We are never going to make schools a germ free bubble.

I also have a special ed kid with severe speech issues that the school has admitted they are unable to address or assess due to mask wearing. And virtual learning was also a nightmare. Masks need to come off for speech therapy, as it's just pointless at this point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Everyone needs to take a breath. This is a ridiculous lawsuit. People need to learn how to prioritize. People who want a mask will wear one. That's all that really matters ultimately.

All of this is a waste. Of time, money, energy, so much of everything important.

People need to be held responsible for their own actions. If we really truly need a mandate to keep us all safe, we are all dumb as s***. On some level, we need to own our actions. My other thing is while we are vaxxed, wear a mask, etc. I totally get why people don't want to mask up.

I get daily notices from school about COVID students. Mask or no mask, we're all going to get sick. If you don't get it from school, you must be getting it from elsewhere but ultimately, you are getting COVID. So no, I don't think masks are the saving grace of COVID. The pros and cons have to be weighed and if some people feel that masking in school isn't advantageous, then they should have that choice of not masking their kid. They get sick, that's them. You can mask up and not get sick.

This lawsuit makes me MORE supportive of Youngkin, not less. A bunch of idiots suing because they want to enforce their perspectives on all is what the Democrats have become.

Youngkin’s order is what is ridiculous. We would not need mandates if people would listen to the scientific advise and wear masks. Youngkin issued his order to placate his Trumpian base. Our school children should not be risk for Youngkin’s political gain. These districts should fight as long as they can against Youngkin’s order.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone needs to take a breath. This is a ridiculous lawsuit. People need to learn how to prioritize. People who want a mask will wear one. That's all that really matters ultimately.

All of this is a waste. Of time, money, energy, so much of everything important.

People need to be held responsible for their own actions. If we really truly need a mandate to keep us all safe, we are all dumb as s***. On some level, we need to own our actions. My other thing is while we are vaxxed, wear a mask, etc. I totally get why people don't want to mask up.

I get daily notices from school about COVID students. Mask or no mask, we're all going to get sick. If you don't get it from school, you must be getting it from elsewhere but ultimately, you are getting COVID. So no, I don't think masks are the saving grace of COVID. The pros and cons have to be weighed and if some people feel that masking in school isn't advantageous, then they should have that choice of not masking their kid. They get sick, that's them. You can mask up and not get sick.

This lawsuit makes me MORE supportive of Youngkin, not less. A bunch of idiots suing because they want to enforce their perspectives on all is what the Democrats have become.

Youngkin’s order is what is ridiculous. We would not need mandates if people would listen to the scientific advise and wear masks. Youngkin issued his order to placate his Trumpian base. Our school children should not be risk for Youngkin’s political gain. These districts should fight as long as they can against Youngkin’s order.

But COVID poses no statistically significant risks to young children. That is the problem. The school boards are placing politics above children - and using taxpayer money to do so. It is performative and wrong.

[Anonymous]

Even if Covid isn't that dangerous, masks are still reducing spread and keeping more kids in school.

I don't want to ditch masks until we've also ditched testing and mandatory isolation.

When I'm allowed to send my kid to school with a cold again, THEN we can ditch masks. Until then, I'd like to minimize random germs that will exclude them from school.

[Anonymous]

If COVID never goes away or doesn’t become endemic for a few more years, does this literally mean my kid (who was in K last year) will be masked in school for YEARS of his childhood because of some small chance another kid gets very ill?

Possibly. Kids in Asia have been doing it for a while and managing to come out fine.

[Anonymous]

The problem os public schools last of creativity. To the extent necessary, special needs students should have been served one on one in a setting (including virtual where appropriate) so the student and provider can take their masks off.

What special need would require a provider (vs. a student, which could make sense for certain disabilities) to be maskless? They make clear masks that allow you to see a provider's mouth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s gross how many people suddenly “care” about vulnerable and disabled kids when it supports the narrative they want (to continue masking), but they were utterly willing to throw vulnerable and disabled kids under the bus last school year when they wanted schools closed. We parents of special needs kids see through you.

No, you’re hearing for the parents of kids who are vulnerable to COVID.. There are a lot of us.

[Anonymous]

It’s gross how many people suddenly “care” about vulnerable and disabled kids when it supports the narrative they want (to continue masking), but they were utterly willing to throw vulnerable and disabled kids under the bus last school year when they wanted schools closed. We parents of special needs kids see through you.

I cared about my own disabled kid then and now.

[Anonymous]

Is it fair to assume that the parents of 1) neurotypical kids, 2) without COVID risk factors, 3) who are desperate for their child to see their teacher's and classmates' faces, are 4) also trying desperately to get their kids into the virtual learning program? Or could it be there are benefits of an in person education which you find preferable to virtual school?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Even if the EO is invalid, it sounds like there's a moderate Dem state senatory who will vote with the GOP on this issue. 20-20 in the senate and the Lt. Gov breaks the tie. Obviously, the law will get trhough the GOP-controlled state house. So it's only a matter of time. Mandatory masking will be gone by April at the latest, most likely. And along with that, it goes from pandemic to endemic. Feds back to the office, etc. It's wrapping up, folks. Sorry.

This. The off ramp to “parent’s choice” is coming. You can see the inevitability of it in how the FCCPS school board framed up its policy regarding the EO. For the cynical, school-board partisans may now be playing to cast the off-ramp as a D win, rather than an R win.

A "parent's choice" off ramp is a cop out for making tough decisions and admitted we don't know when the pandemic will be over. This would all be easier if we knew when it would end. Fearing masks will last forever is a bit alarmist, don't you think?

[Anonymous]

Again: it’s game over, soon enough, for the mask mandates. So folks can have their temper tantrums now, but the ballgame is coming to a close. This is the last variant of consequence and masks will be optional no later than the spring.