ACPS, APS, et al sue over EO

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Anonymous wrote:I am pro-vaccine and pro-mask. I prefer they keep the masks for now.

But if they drop them, and kids stop wearing them, I am never - I repeat - never taking another covid test or giving one to my children. If we are letting the chips fall, then we are letting the chips fall. We are not isolating for 5 days because a bunch of people didn't want to wear masks.

I’m pro-vaccine, ready for masks to come off once this Omicron surge is done absent some crazy new variant, and would totally be fine getting rid of quarantines and testing. All this contact tracing is just extra work for schools and I’m not convinced it’s slowing the spread when the cat is so far out of the bag so to speak. Let’s go back to staying home if sick with fever, heavy nasal discharge, vomiting, contagious rash, etc. I’d even be fine raising the return to 48 hours (as opposed to 24 hours) after these symptoms disappear. But it’s insane how much time I’ve wasted at the pediatrician’s office getting a return to school note for a kid with sniffles. And I’m not the only one taking a basically healthy kid in for an appointment just so they can go back to school, which is a hugely inefficient use of our medical community during a pandemic. Time to end the charades of managing this thing anymore than we have.

+1 No mask mandate, no quarantines, no contact tracing in schools. Let's start this as soon as the case count falls back into the moderate level (like it was 2.5 months ago).

Great idea and then the numbers will go right back up.

Case numbers don’t matter. Only severe disease rates matter and they are pretty low with omicron, especially if vaxed.

Still 2000 Americans dying a day of Covid. We fought a 20 year war over less than twice that many deaths in a day.

The vast, vast, vast majority of those 2000 people are unvaccinated adults. Clearly, they should have gotten vaccinated.

It’s not just the unvaccinated. My coworker who was fully vaxxed and boosted contracted COVID and passed away this month. While most of those hospitalized and dying from COVID are unvaccinated, we need to realize it is still killing and disabling others.

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Anonymous wrote:I am pro-vaccine and pro-mask. I prefer they keep the masks for now.

But if they drop them, and kids stop wearing them, I am never - I repeat - never taking another covid test or giving one to my children. If we are letting the chips fall, then we are letting the chips fall. We are not isolating for 5 days because a bunch of people didn't want to wear masks.

I’m pro-vaccine, ready for masks to come off once this Omicron surge is done absent some crazy new variant, and would totally be fine getting rid of quarantines and testing. All this contact tracing is just extra work for schools and I’m not convinced it’s slowing the spread when the cat is so far out of the bag so to speak. Let’s go back to staying home if sick with fever, heavy nasal discharge, vomiting, contagious rash, etc. I’d even be fine raising the return to 48 hours (as opposed to 24 hours) after these symptoms disappear. But it’s insane how much time I’ve wasted at the pediatrician’s office getting a return to school note for a kid with sniffles. And I’m not the only one taking a basically healthy kid in for an appointment just so they can go back to school, which is a hugely inefficient use of our medical community during a pandemic. Time to end the charades of managing this thing anymore than we have.

+1 No mask mandate, no quarantines, no contact tracing in schools. Let's start this as soon as the case count falls back into the moderate level (like it was 2.5 months ago).

Great idea and then the numbers will go right back up.

Case numbers don’t matter. Only severe disease rates matter and they are pretty low with omicron, especially if vaxed.

Still 2000 Americans dying a day of Covid. We fought a 20 year war over less than twice that many deaths in a day.

The vast, vast, vast majority of those 2000 people are unvaccinated adults. Clearly, they should have gotten vaccinated.

It’s not just the unvaccinated. My coworker who was fully vaxxed and boosted contracted COVID and passed away this month. While most of those hospitalized and dying from COVID are unvaccinated, we need to realize it is still killing and disabling others.

Yes, bad things can happen. You can be killed by someone texting while driving, you can be shot during a mass shooting, you can get cancer, you can die of the flu, you can have a heart attack. Did you know that about 650,000 people die of heart disease every year? Did you know that over 70,000 people die from diabetes every year?

Just because a small number of vaccinated people are dying of Covid does not mean that we should have a mask mandate in public schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Again: it’s game over, soon enough, for the mask mandates. So folks can have their temper tantrums now, but the ballgame is coming to a close. This is the last variant of consequence and masks will be optional no later than the spring.

I hope you are right that the pandemic will end with this variant and thus there will be no need for a continued need for a mask mandate but for this moment, I hope the NOVA school districts wipe the floor in Court again last Glenn (Trump in a vest) Youngkin and his order to placate the Trumpians.

The lawsuits may succeed—there are reasonable arguments on both sides. But assuming arguendo Gov. Youngkin loses, the state law will be changed as described above. Forever Maskers will have to let go. It’s endemic now.

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Anonymous wrote:Again: it’s game over, soon enough, for the mask mandates. So folks can have their temper tantrums now, but the ballgame is coming to a close. This is the last variant of consequence and masks will be optional no later than the spring.

I hope you are right that the pandemic will end with this variant and thus there will be no need for a continued need for a mask mandate but for this moment, I hope the NOVA school districts wipe the floor in Court again last Glenn (Trump in a vest) Youngkin and his order to placate the Trumpians.

The lawsuits may succeed—there are reasonable arguments on both sides. But assuming arguendo Gov. Youngkin loses, the state law will be changed as described above. Forever Maskers will have to let go. It’s endemic now.

I have come to honestly believe that the desperate need so many parents have for mask mandate, long quarantine and isolation, and cries of think of the children! have less to do with health and more to do with their own fear of work from home ending. If the schools were to drop these, I do believe that it would serve as a signal for DMV area work places including the Federal govt that things are going back to normal and then trigger the return to office for many work places.

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Anonymous wrote:I am pro-vaccine and pro-mask. I prefer they keep the masks for now.

But if they drop them, and kids stop wearing them, I am never - I repeat - never taking another covid test or giving one to my children. If we are letting the chips fall, then we are letting the chips fall. We are not isolating for 5 days because a bunch of people didn't want to wear masks.

I’m pro-vaccine, ready for masks to come off once this Omicron surge is done absent some crazy new variant, and would totally be fine getting rid of quarantines and testing. All this contact tracing is just extra work for schools and I’m not convinced it’s slowing the spread when the cat is so far out of the bag so to speak. Let’s go back to staying home if sick with fever, heavy nasal discharge, vomiting, contagious rash, etc. I’d even be fine raising the return to 48 hours (as opposed to 24 hours) after these symptoms disappear. But it’s insane how much time I’ve wasted at the pediatrician’s office getting a return to school note for a kid with sniffles. And I’m not the only one taking a basically healthy kid in for an appointment just so they can go back to school, which is a hugely inefficient use of our medical community during a pandemic. Time to end the charades of managing this thing anymore than we have.

+1 No mask mandate, no quarantines, no contact tracing in schools. Let's start this as soon as the case count falls back into the moderate level (like it was 2.5 months ago).

Great idea and then the numbers will go right back up.

Case numbers don’t matter. Only severe disease rates matter and they are pretty low with omicron, especially if vaxed.

Still 2000 Americans dying a day of Covid. We fought a 20 year war over less than twice that many deaths in a day.

The vast, vast, vast majority of those 2000 people are unvaccinated adults. Clearly, they should have gotten vaccinated.

It’s not just the unvaccinated. My coworker who was fully vaxxed and boosted contracted COVID and passed away this month. While most of those hospitalized and dying from COVID are unvaccinated, we need to realize it is still killing and disabling others.

Yes, bad things can happen. You can be killed by someone texting while driving, you can be shot during a mass shooting, you can get cancer, you can die of the flu, you can have a heart attack. Did you know that about 650,000 people die of heart disease every year? Did you know that over 70,000 people die from diabetes every year?

Just because a small number of vaccinated people are dying of Covid does not mean that we should have a mask mandate in public schools.

Blah blah blah car accidents blah blah blah drownings, etc, etc. if you’re that simple to not understand the difference between that and a pandemic of an illness transmitted by frigging BREATHING, I hope you don’t have children. Pathetic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again: it’s game over, soon enough, for the mask mandates. So folks can have their temper tantrums now, but the ballgame is coming to a close. This is the last variant of consequence and masks will be optional no later than the spring.

I hope you are right that the pandemic will end with this variant and thus there will be no need for a continued need for a mask mandate but for this moment, I hope the NOVA school districts wipe the floor in Court again last Glenn (Trump in a vest) Youngkin and his order to placate the Trumpians.

The lawsuits may succeed—there are reasonable arguments on both sides. But assuming arguendo Gov. Youngkin loses, the state law will be changed as described above. Forever Maskers will have to let go. It’s endemic now.

I have come to honestly believe that the desperate need so many parents have for mask mandate, long quarantine and isolation, and cries of think of the children! have less to do with health and more to do with their own fear of work from home ending. If the schools were to drop these, I do believe that it would serve as a signal for DMV area work places including the Federal govt that things are going back to normal and then trigger the return to office for many work places.[
This is a bizarre theory. It is simple, they are concerned about their children getting sick. You aren’t.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again: it’s game over, soon enough, for the mask mandates. So folks can have their temper tantrums now, but the ballgame is coming to a close. This is the last variant of consequence and masks will be optional no later than the spring.

I hope you are right that the pandemic will end with this variant and thus there will be no need for a continued need for a mask mandate but for this moment, I hope the NOVA school districts wipe the floor in Court again last Glenn (Trump in a vest) Youngkin and his order to placate the Trumpians.

The lawsuits may succeed—there are reasonable arguments on both sides. But assuming arguendo Gov. Youngkin loses, the state law will be changed as described above. Forever Maskers will have to let go. It’s endemic now.

I have come to honestly believe that the desperate need so many parents have for mask mandate, long quarantine and isolation, and cries of think of the children! have less to do with health and more to do with their own fear of work from home ending. If the schools were to drop these, I do believe that it would serve as a signal for DMV area work places including the Federal govt that things are going back to normal and then trigger the return to office for many work places.

+1 I agree with this theory!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am pro-vaccine and pro-mask. I prefer they keep the masks for now.

But if they drop them, and kids stop wearing them, I am never - I repeat - never taking another covid test or giving one to my children. If we are letting the chips fall, then we are letting the chips fall. We are not isolating for 5 days because a bunch of people didn't want to wear masks.

I’m pro-vaccine, ready for masks to come off once this Omicron surge is done absent some crazy new variant, and would totally be fine getting rid of quarantines and testing. All this contact tracing is just extra work for schools and I’m not convinced it’s slowing the spread when the cat is so far out of the bag so to speak. Let’s go back to staying home if sick with fever, heavy nasal discharge, vomiting, contagious rash, etc. I’d even be fine raising the return to 48 hours (as opposed to 24 hours) after these symptoms disappear. But it’s insane how much time I’ve wasted at the pediatrician’s office getting a return to school note for a kid with sniffles. And I’m not the only one taking a basically healthy kid in for an appointment just so they can go back to school, which is a hugely inefficient use of our medical community during a pandemic. Time to end the charades of managing this thing anymore than we have.

+1 No mask mandate, no quarantines, no contact tracing in schools. Let's start this as soon as the case count falls back into the moderate level (like it was 2.5 months ago).

Great idea and then the numbers will go right back up.

Case numbers don’t matter. Only severe disease rates matter and they are pretty low with omicron, especially if vaxed.

Still 2000 Americans dying a day of Covid. We fought a 20 year war over less than twice that many deaths in a day.

The vast, vast, vast majority of those 2000 people are unvaccinated adults. Clearly, they should have gotten vaccinated.

It’s not just the unvaccinated. My coworker who was fully vaxxed and boosted contracted COVID and passed away this month. While most of those hospitalized and dying from COVID are unvaccinated, we need to realize it is still killing and disabling others.

Yes, bad things can happen. You can be killed by someone texting while driving, you can be shot during a mass shooting, you can get cancer, you can die of the flu, you can have a heart attack. Did you know that about 650,000 people die of heart disease every year? Did you know that over 70,000 people die from diabetes every year?

Just because a small number of vaccinated people are dying of Covid does not mean that we should have a mask mandate in public schools.

Blah blah blah car accidents blah blah blah drownings, etc, etc. if you’re that simple to not understand the difference between that and a pandemic of an illness transmitted by frigging BREATHING, I hope you don’t have children. Pathetic.

DP here. The point is the vast vast vast majority of vaccinated people are fine. We are not designing public health policy around unfortunate rarities like your coworker.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am pro-vaccine and pro-mask. I prefer they keep the masks for now.

But if they drop them, and kids stop wearing them, I am never - I repeat - never taking another covid test or giving one to my children. If we are letting the chips fall, then we are letting the chips fall. We are not isolating for 5 days because a bunch of people didn't want to wear masks.

I’m pro-vaccine, ready for masks to come off once this Omicron surge is done absent some crazy new variant, and would totally be fine getting rid of quarantines and testing. All this contact tracing is just extra work for schools and I’m not convinced it’s slowing the spread when the cat is so far out of the bag so to speak. Let’s go back to staying home if sick with fever, heavy nasal discharge, vomiting, contagious rash, etc. I’d even be fine raising the return to 48 hours (as opposed to 24 hours) after these symptoms disappear. But it’s insane how much time I’ve wasted at the pediatrician’s office getting a return to school note for a kid with sniffles. And I’m not the only one taking a basically healthy kid in for an appointment just so they can go back to school, which is a hugely inefficient use of our medical community during a pandemic. Time to end the charades of managing this thing anymore than we have.

+1 No mask mandate, no quarantines, no contact tracing in schools. Let's start this as soon as the case count falls back into the moderate level (like it was 2.5 months ago).

Great idea and then the numbers will go right back up.

Case numbers don’t matter. Only severe disease rates matter and they are pretty low with omicron, especially if vaxed.

Still 2000 Americans dying a day of Covid. We fought a 20 year war over less than twice that many deaths in a day.

The vast, vast, vast majority of those 2000 people are unvaccinated adults. Clearly, they should have gotten vaccinated.

It’s not just the unvaccinated. My coworker who was fully vaxxed and boosted contracted COVID and passed away this month. While most of those hospitalized and dying from COVID are unvaccinated, we need to realize it is still killing and disabling others.

Yes, bad things can happen. You can be killed by someone texting while driving, you can be shot during a mass shooting, you can get cancer, you can die of the flu, you can have a heart attack. Did you know that about 650,000 people die of heart disease every year? Did you know that over 70,000 people die from diabetes every year?

Just because a small number of vaccinated people are dying of Covid does not mean that we should have a mask mandate in public schools.

Blah blah blah car accidents blah blah blah drownings, etc, etc. if you’re that simple to not understand the difference between that and a pandemic of an illness transmitted by frigging BREATHING, I hope you don’t have children. Pathetic.

DP here. The point is the vast vast vast majority of vaccinated people are fine. We are not designing public health policy around unfortunate rarities like your coworker.

So, I take it that 2,000 American dead 💀 a day (and probably more if you get your way) is the worth price of having your kids not wear a mask during school. Enjoy the blood on your hands along with Trump in the Fleece Vest.

[Anonymous]

I have come to honestly believe that the desperate need so many parents have for mask mandate, long quarantine and isolation, and cries of think of the children! have less to do with health and more to do with their own fear of work from home ending. If the schools were to drop these, I do believe that it would serve as a signal for DMV area work places including the Federal govt that things are going back to normal and then trigger the return to office for many work places.

Except that DH and I both work from our offices, and support many of those things. In our case, it has more to do with: 1) having vulnerable family members, and 2) having kids that are old enough to manage schoolwork/being home along.

[Anonymous]

As a parent, my #1 goal is to keep schools open and my kid in school. If their teacher catches covid, she'll be out for 5 - 10 or more days (especially if they have kids who they catch it in sequence) and learning will slow with a sub. If my kids catch it then they'll be out of school for 10 days each.

January has already been hugely disruptive with snow closures and teacher absences. If masks help keep my kids and their teachers in school--especially given the current rates--then I'm all for keeping them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Again: it’s game over, soon enough, for the mask mandates. So folks can have their temper tantrums now, but the ballgame is coming to a close. This is the last variant of consequence and masks will be optional no later than the spring.

I hope you are right that the pandemic will end with this variant and thus there will be no need for a continued need for a mask mandate but for this moment, I hope the NOVA school districts wipe the floor in Court again last Glenn (Trump in a vest) Youngkin and his order to placate the Trumpians.

The lawsuits may succeed—there are reasonable arguments on both sides. But assuming arguendo Gov. Youngkin loses, the state law will be changed as described above. Forever Maskers will have to let go. It’s endemic now.

I have come to honestly believe that the desperate need so many parents have for mask mandate, long quarantine and isolation, and cries of think of the children! have less to do with health and more to do with their own fear of work from home ending. If the schools were to drop these, I do believe that it would serve as a signal for DMV area work places including the Federal govt that things are going back to normal and then trigger the return to office for many work places.

The real indication is case rates, hospitalization rates, death rates, availability of vaccines and treatments. Let’s not loose sight of that. How society acts is secondary and an amalgamation of reality, stress, coping abilities, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a parent, my #1 goal is to keep schools open and my kid in school. If their teacher catches covid, she'll be out for 5 - 10 or more days (especially if they have kids who they catch it in sequence) and learning will slow with a sub. If my kids catch it then they'll be out of school for 10 days each.

January has already been hugely disruptive with snow closures and teacher absences. If masks help keep my kids and their teachers in school--especially given the current rates--then I'm all for keeping them.

Absolutely. Keep the masks on until the numbers come down.

[Anonymous]

Back to the lawsuit. Anyone know the status? Is there a hearing scheduled yet?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a parent, my #1 goal is to keep schools open and my kid in school. If their teacher catches covid, she'll be out for 5 - 10 or more days (especially if they have kids who they catch it in sequence) and learning will slow with a sub. If my kids catch it then they'll be out of school for 10 days each.

January has already been hugely disruptive with snow closures and teacher absences. If masks help keep my kids and their teachers in school--especially given the current rates--then I'm all for keeping them.

Absolutely. Keep the masks on until the numbers come down.

The numbers for children have been down the whole time. And if you aren't wearing an N95 you aren't really stopping anything. So, stop the nonsense.