Are more people opting into the APS testing?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t trust Duran to make smart decisions with the data he collects. After only testing athletes, he determines that athletes are a threat. He’s a poor data scientist, and I’m not going to feed him data.

Testing athletes makes sense to me. Maybe there are some sports that don't have a lot of close contact, but I'm thinking of basketball and wrestling where kids are all up in each other's faces breathing heavily. Seems there would be a ton of spread in such situations unless there was testing.

You’d really be upset by the huge number of kids I know playing Futsal weeknights and every weekend throughout winter,,,,or hockey or indoor track.

Just give it up. Omicron is causing nothing. Everyone I know who had it the last few weeks had almost zero symptoms.

Mental health of kids and school is more important at this point.

My kids play futsal, hockey and basketball which is why we DO test with APS. The sports are a major positive aspect for their mental health.

You should take a look at Dr Silverman’s weekly update, he’s head of the ER in Arlington. You are incorrect in your categorization of Omicron being nothing. While you may believe that, it’s not reality. He does say it’s milder, but not nothing.

“ We’re certainly seeing a lot of COVID positive kids. We’ve transferred several critically ill kids to pediatric intensive care units (PICU) and this includes kids ranging from newborns to upwards of 12 years old, both vaccinated and unvaccinated (obviously those <5 are unvax). One of the more interesting things we’ve seen are the number of kids who have croup secondary to COVID. Croup is inflammation of the upper airway, typically caused by a virus, and usually results in a barking, seal like cough. We see it commonly in the ER and we typically can get kids improved and home in a matter of hours. However, we’ve had several really sick kids from croup who required a PICU bed. Please get your kids vaccinated and boosted if they qualify. It will make a difference.”

https://www.facebook.com/1551200652/posts/10227524937419665/?d=n

Croup is almost exclusively found in little kids - as in those too young to be vaccinated. You grow out of it because your airways become bigger.

So let’s protect the littles. Society used to care about protecting children, more so the younger they are. Under 5s can’t be cant be vaccinated yet.

Mike Silverman is disgrace. He's a fearmonger and a cancer on this community.

So croup cough has been around in kids since the beginning of humans, but now it's caused by COVID. He says that with 0 SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE. 0.

Meanwhile, Fauci and Walensky are making clear that the majority of child hospitalization are incidental to COVID. But let's trust the COVIDian fear monger at the local hospital instead.

That’s not really fair. He’s an ED Doctor who is reporting what he sees. Obviously that’s going to be a slanted view because the people with some body aches and sniffles aren’t coming to see him. Take it as a data point among many data points vs the one gospel truth.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t trust Duran to make smart decisions with the data he collects. After only testing athletes, he determines that athletes are a threat. He’s a poor data scientist, and I’m not going to feed him data.

Testing athletes makes sense to me. Maybe there are some sports that don't have a lot of close contact, but I'm thinking of basketball and wrestling where kids are all up in each other's faces breathing heavily. Seems there would be a ton of spread in such situations unless there was testing.

You’d really be upset by the huge number of kids I know playing Futsal weeknights and every weekend throughout winter,,,,or hockey or indoor track.

Just give it up. Omicron is causing nothing. Everyone I know who had it the last few weeks had almost zero symptoms.

Mental health of kids and school is more important at this point.

My kids play futsal, hockey and basketball which is why we DO test with APS. The sports are a major positive aspect for their mental health.

You should take a look at Dr Silverman’s weekly update, he’s head of the ER in Arlington. You are incorrect in your categorization of Omicron being nothing. While you may believe that, it’s not reality. He does say it’s milder, but not nothing.

“ We’re certainly seeing a lot of COVID positive kids. We’ve transferred several critically ill kids to pediatric intensive care units (PICU) and this includes kids ranging from newborns to upwards of 12 years old, both vaccinated and unvaccinated (obviously those <5 are unvax). One of the more interesting things we’ve seen are the number of kids who have croup secondary to COVID. Croup is inflammation of the upper airway, typically caused by a virus, and usually results in a barking, seal like cough. We see it commonly in the ER and we typically can get kids improved and home in a matter of hours. However, we’ve had several really sick kids from croup who required a PICU bed. Please get your kids vaccinated and boosted if they qualify. It will make a difference.”

https://www.facebook.com/1551200652/posts/10227524937419665/?d=n

Croup is almost exclusively found in little kids - as in those too young to be vaccinated. You grow out of it because your airways become bigger.

So let’s protect the littles. Society used to care about protecting children, more so the younger they are. Under 5s can’t be cant be vaccinated yet.

Mike Silverman is disgrace. He's a fearmonger and a cancer on this community.

So croup cough has been around in kids since the beginning of humans, but now it's caused by COVID. He says that with 0 SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE. 0.

Meanwhile, Fauci and Walensky are making clear that the majority of child hospitalization are incidental to COVID. But let's trust the COVIDian fear monger at the local hospital instead.

That’s not really fair. He’s an ED Doctor who is reporting what he sees. Obviously that’s going to be a slanted view because the people with some body aches and sniffles aren’t coming to see him. Take it as a data point among many data points vs the one gospel truth.

I agree, and he acknowledges he's talking only about what he sees in nearly every one of his posts.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t trust Duran to make smart decisions with the data he collects. After only testing athletes, he determines that athletes are a threat. He’s a poor data scientist, and I’m not going to feed him data.

Testing athletes makes sense to me. Maybe there are some sports that don't have a lot of close contact, but I'm thinking of basketball and wrestling where kids are all up in each other's faces breathing heavily. Seems there would be a ton of spread in such situations unless there was testing.

You’d really be upset by the huge number of kids I know playing Futsal weeknights and every weekend throughout winter,,,,or hockey or indoor track.

Just give it up. Omicron is causing nothing. Everyone I know who had it the last few weeks had almost zero symptoms.

Mental health of kids and school is more important at this point.

My kids play futsal, hockey and basketball which is why we DO test with APS. The sports are a major positive aspect for their mental health.

You should take a look at Dr Silverman’s weekly update, he’s head of the ER in Arlington. You are incorrect in your categorization of Omicron being nothing. While you may believe that, it’s not reality. He does say it’s milder, but not nothing.

“ We’re certainly seeing a lot of COVID positive kids. We’ve transferred several critically ill kids to pediatric intensive care units (PICU) and this includes kids ranging from newborns to upwards of 12 years old, both vaccinated and unvaccinated (obviously those <5 are unvax). One of the more interesting things we’ve seen are the number of kids who have croup secondary to COVID. Croup is inflammation of the upper airway, typically caused by a virus, and usually results in a barking, seal like cough. We see it commonly in the ER and we typically can get kids improved and home in a matter of hours. However, we’ve had several really sick kids from croup who required a PICU bed. Please get your kids vaccinated and boosted if they qualify. It will make a difference.”

https://www.facebook.com/1551200652/posts/10227524937419665/?d=n

Croup is almost exclusively found in little kids - as in those too young to be vaccinated. You grow out of it because your airways become bigger.

So let’s protect the littles. Society used to care about protecting children, more so the younger they are. Under 5s can’t be cant be vaccinated yet.

Mike Silverman is disgrace. He's a fearmonger and a cancer on this community.

So croup cough has been around in kids since the beginning of humans, but now it's caused by COVID. He says that with 0 SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE. 0.

Meanwhile, Fauci and Walensky are making clear that the majority of child hospitalization are incidental to COVID. But let's trust the COVIDian fear monger at the local hospital instead.

Saying omicron is milder than previous covid is now considered fear mongering? Obviously Mike is just sharing what he sees....from our local ER. I find it an interesting perspective since I don't work in the ER. But maybe you do so you know better.

Yelling "fire" in a crowded movie theater because you see a small light 300 feet away that could possibly be a tiny match is " just sharing what someone sees". No harm there.

Try again with your analogy. Perhaps a firefigher in a burning building saying hey, this fire isn't as bad as a lot of recent fires I've seen, but we are seeing some interesting flame patterns over there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t trust Duran to make smart decisions with the data he collects. After only testing athletes, he determines that athletes are a threat. He’s a poor data scientist, and I’m not going to feed him data.

Testing athletes makes sense to me. Maybe there are some sports that don't have a lot of close contact, but I'm thinking of basketball and wrestling where kids are all up in each other's faces breathing heavily. Seems there would be a ton of spread in such situations unless there was testing.

Testing athletes is not a problem. ONLY testing athletes and then using those numbers to characterize athletes as a threat beyond the overall student positivity rate is a big problem.

Is that happening? I don't see that happening. All kids can be tested, right? If athlete testing rates are abnormally high, isn't that an argument for 1) regularly testing athletes, and 2) everyone else opting in to testing to see how the rest of the student population compares?

DP. Plenty of people here have used the disproportionate positive cases among athletes as an excuse to demonize athletes as particularly reckless and causing outbreaks (particularly at the high school level). But without a comparable control sampling of the non-athlete population, it is impossible know if this is true. But I am not going to tell anyone who isn’t co for table with surveillance testing they have an obligation to sign up for it just to try to correct the ignorance of people who don’t want to hear it.

Duran knows that the cases among athletes are, in fact, not disproportionate relative to the general population. However, that story doesn’t fit his narrative of “showing an emphasis on in-person education”. He needs to take a symbolic action to “show” something, so he demonizes athletes to give the appearance of taking substantive action.

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Not sure why you’re saying the outbreaks among athletes were not disproportionate. Athletes are tested because they play in close proximity others, breathing heavily, often without masks. There were lots of times this last year where whole groups of athletes on the same team at the same school tested positive for covid at the same time and got sick.

If you want to engage in higher risk activity (this includes band! And theater!), you need to accept the consequences. Funny how the band parents aren’t being all aggro about accepting the consequences of risk. Or theater. Nah just hyped up sports parents. Okay.

I wish we could test everyone! But I can see why sports parents are against it. If we did that, it would show that kids who play sports catch the virus at greater percentages than kids in classes wearing masks. So of course they want to keep the general testing numbers down. *shrug*

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No way I’m signing my kids up. Seeing why they did with data from athletes, no way I’ll give them ammunition to shut school down too. Focus on hospitalizations, not cases.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure why you’re saying the outbreaks among athletes were not disproportionate. Athletes are tested because they play in close proximity others, breathing heavily, often without masks. There were lots of times this last year where whole groups of athletes on the same team at the same school tested positive for covid at the same time and got sick.

If you want to engage in higher risk activity (this includes band! And theater!), you need to accept the consequences. Funny how the band parents aren’t being all aggro about accepting the consequences of risk. Or theater. Nah just hyped up sports parents. Okay.

I wish we could test everyone! But I can see why sports parents are against it. If we did that, it would show that kids who play sports catch the virus at greater percentages than kids in classes wearing masks. So of course they want to keep the general testing numbers down. *shrug*

Haha - god, COVID is a cold for vaccinated people. Now, getting a cold is a "high risk activity". Reminds me of the lunch petition last year when they said eating indoors was a "high risk activity". FYI - restaurants are still packed in Arlington so people must not see it a cold as all that risky.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure why you’re saying the outbreaks among athletes were not disproportionate. Athletes are tested because they play in close proximity others, breathing heavily, often without masks. There were lots of times this last year where whole groups of athletes on the same team at the same school tested positive for covid at the same time and got sick.

If you want to engage in higher risk activity (this includes band! And theater!), you need to accept the consequences. Funny how the band parents aren’t being all aggro about accepting the consequences of risk. Or theater. Nah just hyped up sports parents. Okay.

I wish we could test everyone! But I can see why sports parents are against it. If we did that, it would show that kids who play sports catch the virus at greater percentages than kids in classes wearing masks. So of course they want to keep the general testing numbers down. *shrug*

Haha - god, COVID is a cold for vaccinated people. Now, getting a cold is a "high risk activity". Reminds me of the lunch petition last year when they said eating indoors was a "high risk activity". FYI - restaurants are still packed in Arlington so people must not see it a cold as all that risky.

Not even a cold. A lot of these athletes already had COVID so they're just popping positives asymptomatically. I can't wait until we stop this asymptomatic nonsense. COVID will be here forever and this asymptomatic nonsense is hurting our kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Not sure why you’re saying the outbreaks among athletes were not disproportionate. Athletes are tested because they play in close proximity others, breathing heavily, often without masks. There were lots of times this last year where whole groups of athletes on the same team at the same school tested positive for covid at the same time and got sick.

If you want to engage in higher risk activity (this includes band! And theater!), you need to accept the consequences. Funny how the band parents aren’t being all aggro about accepting the consequences of risk. Or theater. Nah just hyped up sports parents. Okay.

I wish we could test everyone! But I can see why sports parents are against it. If we did that, it would show that kids who play sports catch the virus at greater percentages than kids in classes wearing masks. So of course they want to keep the general testing numbers down. *shrug*

There is no data showing that the positivity rate among athletes is any different that the rest of the HS population. There is no “disproportionate”.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t trust Duran to make smart decisions with the data he collects. After only testing athletes, he determines that athletes are a threat. He’s a poor data scientist, and I’m not going to feed him data.

Testing athletes makes sense to me. Maybe there are some sports that don't have a lot of close contact, but I'm thinking of basketball and wrestling where kids are all up in each other's faces breathing heavily. Seems there would be a ton of spread in such situations unless there was testing.

Testing athletes is not a problem. ONLY testing athletes and then using those numbers to characterize athletes as a threat beyond the overall student positivity rate is a big problem.

Big concern of mine as well. I don’t trust APS and they rely too much on case numbers. Im not giving them ammunition to close.

Yep. Not helping them out one bit. Will never opt in to testing.

[Anonymous]

I wish the APE people were more nuanced. They are e like Trump — stating their wrong position over and over as though they are facts. I guess that approach does work with some Americans, given how so many republicans still think Trump won the election.

Covid is not a cold. Omicron still leads to hospitalizations, even here in Arlington, even for kids. And even in mild cases, even for Omicron, covid goes on to form long covid in 10 to 30+ % of cases, according to Fauci last week. You may be okay with that risk for your kids, and other people’s kids, but not everyone is okay with that level of risk for themselves or their kids. And if a majority of teachers are taken out by the highly transmissible omicron at the same time, there won’t be anyone around to teach, either in person or virtually.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish the APE people were more nuanced. They are e like Trump — stating their wrong position over and over as though they are facts. I guess that approach does work with some Americans, given how so many republicans still think Trump won the election.

Covid is not a cold. Omicron still leads to hospitalizations, even here in Arlington, even for kids. And even in mild cases, even for Omicron, covid goes on to form long covid in 10 to 30+ % of cases, according to Fauci last week. You may be okay with that risk for your kids, and other people’s kids, but not everyone is okay with that level of risk for themselves or their kids. And if a majority of teachers are taken out by the highly transmissible omicron at the same time, there won’t be anyone around to teach, either in person or virtually.

Yes, just like Trump repeating false soundbites. Hilarious, because its so true. They just repeat the same things over and over. I'm not sure if they believe it or are just asshats.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish the APE people were more nuanced. They are e like Trump — stating their wrong position over and over as though they are facts. I guess that approach does work with some Americans, given how so many republicans still think Trump won the election.

Covid is not a cold. Omicron still leads to hospitalizations, even here in Arlington, even for kids. And even in mild cases, even for Omicron, covid goes on to form long covid in 10 to 30+ % of cases, according to Fauci last week. You may be okay with that risk for your kids, and other people’s kids, but not everyone is okay with that level of risk for themselves or their kids. And if a majority of teachers are taken out by the highly transmissible omicron at the same time, there won’t be anyone around to teach, either in person or virtually.

Not sure who the APE people are but agree with your second paragraph.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wish the APE people were more nuanced. They are e like Trump — stating their wrong position over and over as though they are facts. I guess that approach does work with some Americans, given how so many republicans still think Trump won the election.

Covid is not a cold. Omicron still leads to hospitalizations, even here in Arlington, even for kids. And even in mild cases, even for Omicron, covid goes on to form long covid in 10 to 30+ % of cases, according to Fauci last week. You may be okay with that risk for your kids, and other people’s kids, but not everyone is okay with that level of risk for themselves or their kids. And if a majority of teachers are taken out by the highly transmissible omicron at the same time, there won’t be anyone around to teach, either in person or virtually.

Mmk

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Anonymous wrote:I wish the APE people were more nuanced. They are e like Trump — stating their wrong position over and over as though they are facts. I guess that approach does work with some Americans, given how so many republicans still think Trump won the election.

Covid is not a cold. Omicron still leads to hospitalizations, even here in Arlington, even for kids. And even in mild cases, even for Omicron, covid goes on to form long covid in 10 to 30+ % of cases, according to Fauci last week. You may be okay with that risk for your kids, and other people’s kids, but not everyone is okay with that level of risk for themselves or their kids. And if a majority of teachers are taken out by the highly transmissible omicron at the same time, there won’t be anyone around to teach, either in person or virtually.

Mmk

I guess you don't believe Fauci? I quoted him pretty accurately:

“Long COVID can happen no matter what virus variant occurs,” Dr. Fauci said. “There's no evidence that there's any difference between delta or beta or now omicron.”

“We should always be aware that when people get symptomatic infection … anywhere from 10 to up to 30 plus percent of people will go on to have persistence of symptoms,” he added, noting that even mild cases are included in that possibility.

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2021/12/29/fauci-interview-long-covid-still-a-risk-with-milder-omicron-cases

I believe Fauci and science over the random beliefs of some sports parents, but ymmv.