Sheer scale of new student covid cases (real data)

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Anonymous wrote:omicron cases are plunging in south africa and risk of hospitalization is proving far, far lower than with delta.

Today's Washington Post:

NAIROBI — South Africa’s huge wave of omicron cases appears to be subsiding just as quickly as it grew in the weeks after the country first announced to the world that a new coronavirus variant had been identified.

South Africa’s top infectious-disease scientist, who has been leading the country’s pandemic response, said Wednesday that the country had rapidly passed the peak of new omicron cases and, judging by preliminary evidence, he expected “every other country, or almost every other, to follow the same trajectory.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/12/22/south-africa-omicron-coronavirus-cases/

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In the face of everybody in the world, it seems, doing everything they can to keep the schools open, it’s not enough for you. You still have to come on here and complain. So many of you are so damned selfish, thinking only of how the pandemic affects you and your family and no one else. It’s really sad.

+1000

There is a big risk to kids and adults why have underlying issues. Letting Covid spread unmitigated is a disaster even if it is fine for your family. Health care workers are burned out and hospitals are in crisis mode. Same for schools and teachers.

+ 1 million

It’s disheartening how little you care about kids like my daughter, with a rare disease the compromises her immune system. She has these big beautiful eyes that light up the sky. Letting a pandemic rip through schools that her brother could bring home could kill her. Does she deserve to die because you can’t be bothered? Think about what happens to a community when there are no guardrails.

Keep kids in school but do it safely.

I have a friend with three kids one of whom is extremely vulnerable to Covid. She is homeschooling all three this year. She isn’t going around demanding that everyone keep their kids home too or that schools meet some impossible standard of safety to accommodate her individual situation.

You guys are horrible. She never said anything about going virtual for an extended time. Omicron will pass through quickly. All she is saying is that 2 weeks virtual in early January might be prudent. But you are too selfish to inconvenience yourself even a smidgen.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In the face of everybody in the world, it seems, doing everything they can to keep the schools open, it’s not enough for you. You still have to come on here and complain. So many of you are so damned selfish, thinking only of how the pandemic affects you and your family and no one else. It’s really sad.

+1000

There is a big risk to kids and adults why have underlying issues. Letting Covid spread unmitigated is a disaster even if it is fine for your family. Health care workers are burned out and hospitals are in crisis mode. Same for schools and teachers.

+ 1 million

It’s disheartening how little you care about kids like my daughter, with a rare disease the compromises her immune system. She has these big beautiful eyes that light up the sky. Letting a pandemic rip through schools that her brother could bring home could kill her. Does she deserve to die because you can’t be bothered? Think about what happens to a community when there are no guardrails.

Keep kids in school but do it safely.

I have a friend with three kids one of whom is extremely vulnerable to Covid. She is homeschooling all three this year. She isn’t going around demanding that everyone keep their kids home too or that schools meet some impossible standard of safety to accommodate her individual situation.

You guys are horrible. She never said anything about going virtual for an extended time. Omicron will pass through quickly. All she is saying is that 2 weeks virtual in early January might be prudent. But you are too selfish to inconvenience yourself even a smidgen.

Great, then she can keep her kid home for those two weeks. I’m sorry, it’s ridiculous to think that shutting down an entire school school system is the more appropriate response.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In the face of everybody in the world, it seems, doing everything they can to keep the schools open, it’s not enough for you. You still have to come on here and complain. So many of you are so damned selfish, thinking only of how the pandemic affects you and your family and no one else. It’s really sad.

+1000

There is a big risk to kids and adults why have underlying issues. Letting Covid spread unmitigated is a disaster even if it is fine for your family. Health care workers are burned out and hospitals are in crisis mode. Same for schools and teachers.

+ 1 million

It’s disheartening how little you care about kids like my daughter, with a rare disease the compromises her immune system. She has these big beautiful eyes that light up the sky. Letting a pandemic rip through schools that her brother could bring home could kill her. Does she deserve to die because you can’t be bothered? Think about what happens to a community when there are no guardrails.

Keep kids in school but do it safely.

I have a friend with three kids one of whom is extremely vulnerable to Covid. She is homeschooling all three this year. She isn’t going around demanding that everyone keep their kids home too or that schools meet some impossible standard of safety to accommodate her individual situation.

You guys are horrible. She never said anything about going virtual for an extended time. Omicron will pass through quickly. All she is saying is that 2 weeks virtual in early January might be prudent. But you are too selfish to inconvenience yourself even a smidgen.

No, you have this completely backwards. The people who are selfish are the ones who have special circumstances and expect the whole system to conform to their needs. If you really think about the collective of kids, schools should not shut down even for two weeks. For the vast majority of children, the disruption and the additional lost learning of those two weeks (after 1.5 years of closed schools!) is worse than the risk of catching Covid at school, which can and will happen at some point anyway, and not necessarily at school. Also, many parents have run out of leave and will have to find alternative childcare, which is another reason shutting schools is also not going to make a dent into the potential problem of overburdened hospitals.

[Anonymous]

We just got a notification that our school has 17 cases “with more in process,” having previously received notifications for 3 or 4 cases… so notifications are *seriously* behind.

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Anonymous wrote:I do nothing else. All I want is my kid in school. I weigh the risks. Last year was so damaging to our family. Your demands on me also come with costs. You have no problem suggesting I do them. I have no problem suggesting you increase your risk by the miniscule amount from my kid going to school.

I support in-person learning, but to a point. It seems like there's no amount of risk to me and my family that you care about.

And there seems like there no amount of damage to me and my family that you care about.

Ugh. Such melodrama.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In the face of everybody in the world, it seems, doing everything they can to keep the schools open, it’s not enough for you. You still have to come on here and complain. So many of you are so damned selfish, thinking only of how the pandemic affects you and your family and no one else. It’s really sad.

I actually think the schools-open-at-any-cost folks are the selfish ones. Totally ignoring that large swaths of our city are still unvaccinated, that immunocompromised folks exist, that hospital workers are at their breaking point and that schools have proven to be a major source of infection in our city. But we can’t possibly close school for three days!!!

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So question for the blow through crowd. Should we stop testing and stop requiring people who are positive to stay home? Operationally it is impossible to fully staff many schools and contact trace correctly at this level of case rates.

It should be like any other virus. Stay home if you are sick. Fever free after 24 hours.

What about a sneeze and a persistent dry cough?

Asking for a COVID positive Deal student who had been fever free for 24 hours.

Yes, if my kids were coughing all day I would keep them home. What part of this concept are you struggling with?

DP, but the part where selfish parents, if only required to keep their kids home for 24 hours after a fever, would send their positive, contagious, sneezing, coughing kids to school.

I mean, duh.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let me just be clear that I would 100% rather my kids get Covid and then give it to everyone in our house than miss any more school after spending an *entire year* virtual. I am also totally fine with teachers and staff -- all of whom have been eligible for vax/boosters for months!!! -- testing positive for covid. Just like I was previously unbothered by the idea that kids teachers or parents might catch cold or a flu at school. Time to start treating Covid like every other URI that goes around schools in the winter - stay home if you're sick or have a fever, otherwise carry on as normal.

Yeah, I’m sure you are.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In the face of everybody in the world, it seems, doing everything they can to keep the schools open, it’s not enough for you. You still have to come on here and complain. So many of you are so damned selfish, thinking only of how the pandemic affects you and your family and no one else. It’s really sad.

I actually think the schools-open-at-any-cost folks are the selfish ones. Totally ignoring that large swaths of our city are still unvaccinated, that immunocompromised folks exist, that hospital workers are at their breaking point and that schools have proven to be a major source of infection in our city. But we can’t possibly close school for three days!!!

If they are unvaccinated that's their fault. They've had ample time to get free shots to protect themselves and their family. If they failed to do that, that's on them.

Also, there is zero proof that schools are a "major source of infection in our city." You are spreading panic and misinformation. Get your doctor to prescribe you something for your anxiety.

DP: This is getting so silly. Where do you think all these teachers and students are getting infected. I feel like at this point we need a moderator to step in bc there’s no way to prove it one way or another

Where are they getting infected? Literally anywhere. The equivalent of .5% of the city's population tested positive over the weekend. You think all those cases are because of schools? It's because of two things: One, the omicron variant seems to be hypercontagious. And two, everything else in the city/region/nation is open for business as usual, 2019-style. Masks weren't required until yesterday at 6 p.m. I wouldn't be surprised if the transmission rate in schools is lower than it is in the community as a whole, because the schools at least try to require masks, at least some schools have implemented other mitigation strategies (like better ventilation or outdoor lunches), and at least attempt to do some surveillance testing.

Unless students and teachers are living an entirely sequestered life when they're not in school, there is no way to keep covid out of the schools -- and no way to prove that the schools are where people are catching it.

I don't want to get covid, and even more than I don't want to get covid, I don't want to pass covid on to someone who's at higher risk than I am (and I am relatively high risk, with Type 1 diabetes, but I'm also otherwise healthy and vaxxed/boosted). But after two years of this, I'm not interested in shutting down schools for my kids or anyone else's if the main goal is to keep unvaccinated people from getting sick. They've had almost a year to go get a free, safe, effective shot. They haven't. Now covid is everywhere, and pretending it's only in the schools or that you can address it by only focusing on the schools is pointless.

You people are so damn laughable. Your kid sits in the same room with 20-30 other kids, most of whom have irresponsible parents who put them in indoor activities, sports, etc where they’re constantly exposed, then they sit together sharing air in classrooms all day, they all eat lunch unmasked, but nooooo, nobody is getting COVID at school. It’s a magical COVID-free fairyland.

Asinine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:omicron cases are plunging in south africa and risk of hospitalization is proving far, far lower than with delta.

Lot of speculation that they’re plunging because people have stopped getting tested due to cost.

The way people just refuse to take any optimism…

The way people cling to anything that tells them want they want to hear…

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I bet the posts from 19:43 to 19:54 it all from the same poster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Let me just be clear that I would 100% rather my kids get Covid and then give it to everyone in our house than miss any more school after spending an *entire year* virtual. I am also totally fine with teachers and staff -- all of whom have been eligible for vax/boosters for months!!! -- testing positive for covid. Just like I was previously unbothered by the idea that kids teachers or parents might catch cold or a flu at school. Time to start treating Covid like every other URI that goes around schools in the winter - stay home if you're sick or have a fever, otherwise carry on as normal.

Would you also be "totally fine" with your child having a substitute for 2 weeks because their teacher caught COVID at work?

Why would you want the person you rely on to educate your child to get sick?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I bet the posts from 19:43 to 19:54 it all from the same poster.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In the face of everybody in the world, it seems, doing everything they can to keep the schools open, it’s not enough for you. You still have to come on here and complain. So many of you are so damned selfish, thinking only of how the pandemic affects you and your family and no one else. It’s really sad.

I actually think the schools-open-at-any-cost folks are the selfish ones. Totally ignoring that large swaths of our city are still unvaccinated, that immunocompromised folks exist, that hospital workers are at their breaking point and that schools have proven to be a major source of infection in our city. But we can’t possibly close school for three days!!!

If they are unvaccinated that's their fault. They've had ample time to get free shots to protect themselves and their family. If they failed to do that, that's on them.

Also, there is zero proof that schools are a "major source of infection in our city." You are spreading panic and misinformation. Get your doctor to prescribe you something for your anxiety.

DP: This is getting so silly. Where do you think all these teachers and students are getting infected. I feel like at this point we need a moderator to step in bc there’s no way to prove it one way or another

Where are they getting infected? Literally anywhere. The equivalent of .5% of the city's population tested positive over the weekend. You think all those cases are because of schools? It's because of two things: One, the omicron variant seems to be hypercontagious. And two, everything else in the city/region/nation is open for business as usual, 2019-style. Masks weren't required until yesterday at 6 p.m. I wouldn't be surprised if the transmission rate in schools is lower than it is in the community as a whole, because the schools at least try to require masks, at least some schools have implemented other mitigation strategies (like better ventilation or outdoor lunches), and at least attempt to do some surveillance testing.

Unless students and teachers are living an entirely sequestered life when they're not in school, there is no way to keep covid out of the schools -- and no way to prove that the schools are where people are catching it.

I don't want to get covid, and even more than I don't want to get covid, I don't want to pass covid on to someone who's at higher risk than I am (and I am relatively high risk, with Type 1 diabetes, but I'm also otherwise healthy and vaxxed/boosted). But after two years of this, I'm not interested in shutting down schools for my kids or anyone else's if the main goal is to keep unvaccinated people from getting sick. They've had almost a year to go get a free, safe, effective shot. They haven't. Now covid is everywhere, and pretending it's only in the schools or that you can address it by only focusing on the schools is pointless.

You people are so damn laughable. Your kid sits in the same room with 20-30 other kids, most of whom have irresponsible parents who put them in indoor activities, sports, etc where they’re constantly exposed, then they sit together sharing air in classrooms all day, they all eat lunch unmasked, but nooooo, nobody is getting COVID at school. It’s a magical COVID-free fairyland.

Asinine.

I didn’t say it wasn’t in schools. I said pretending it’s ONLY in schools is silly. Guess we’ll see what happens with schools closed for 13 days now! You think the rates will slow down because of all the school transmission being stopped? I wouldn’t bet on it!