Sheer scale of new student covid cases (real data)

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that this is likely something we will all (or most of us) catch and that other mitigating efforts (indoor eating, bars, etc) would do more to slow the spread than virtual learning.

That being said, I do have concerns about the mental health challenge the timing of this wave does to our teachers, staff, and students- not to mention society as a whole. Everyone is in desperate need of a break, needs to see family/friends, needs to just rest. And now, a good portion of our teachers and staff will spend their holidays isolated and/or sick. That worries me. Schools were already dealing with staff shortages. Teachers and school staff rely on those breaks to recharge and rest... if a large quantity miss that time...

I fear that this wave will impact schools far worse in this regard- as compared to the actual sickness.

This is the point that most people seem to be missing. I'm a teacher, and this week has been horrendously stressful. Covid cases reported daily - students pulled out of classes when covid results from asymptomatic testing on Monday came in mid-day Tuesday. Multiple teachers sent home in the middle of the day (by other teachers forcing the point - the principal "didn't think the symptoms were severe enough to require leave"). I've been on edge all week, and that comes out as less patience for students, and less ability to put together well-planned lessons. It's hard to do ANY job well when you are in a constant state of stress. It's even harder when you are trying to figure out how to support the students in the classroom and at home. I'll keep going in, but I'm also sure that the quality of education that I'll be able to provide is declining. You can all tell me to quit - I'm trying to push through, but definitely considering it - but that won't solve the issue of your child's education. There is NO ONE to replace me, even if I gave a month's notice before I quit. What is the solution? If the goal is to just have kids in a building to see their friends and let their parents go to work (which is definitely a reasonable purpose for school), then the answer is easy - keep the schools open regardless of what happens. If you want actual learning to happen for the next few months, however, the answer is much more difficult, because driving your teachers into the ground is not the way to go.

I hear you. I’m sorry to read this. I know it’s been a crazy year for my kids’ teachers. We have thanked them throughout and tried to show our appreciation, but I know that’s like a drop in a bucket. Just recognizing the work that teachers have done and the crazy pressure and burdens they have on them right now.

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DCPS dumped almost 1000 more COVID cases after school closed. Either they held them, which is unconscionable, or DCPS accounted for 2/3 of the city’s COVID cases yesterday.

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Anonymous wrote:A reality check for those of you who don't follow the news:

1. Omicron cases in places like South Africa are plummeting

2. All the available evidence indicates that Omicron is far less dangerous than Delta

3. The FDA just approved a new pill that reduces the risk of hospitalization or death in people with COVID by a whopping 90 percent.

Get vaccinated, and you will be fine. And there is absolutely zero reason to keep kids out of school.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:Let me just be clear that I would 100% rather my kids get Covid and then give it to everyone in our house than miss any more school after spending an *entire year* virtual. I am also totally fine with teachers and staff -- all of whom have been eligible for vax/boosters for months!!! -- testing positive for covid. Just like I was previously unbothered by the idea that kids teachers or parents might catch cold or a flu at school. Time to start treating Covid like every other URI that goes around schools in the winter - stay home if you're sick or have a fever, otherwise carry on as normal.

Except we still don’t know the long lasting effects of having COVID, there are studies from Britain that suggest even a mild infection can have long-lasting sequelae, and personally I would vastly prefer to get COVID once supplies of sotrovimab are more available and the FDA has given authorization and production is underway for the Pfizer pills. And for those who are basically like “screw old people my kid needs to be in school for their mental health” I can tell you that a grandparent’s death from COVID pre-vaccines definitely also impacted my kid’s mental health, and I’m sure the mental health of many children who’ve lost parents or grandparents - 800,000 people have died thus far and they all had families and friends. No one is asking for a months long shut down of schools but if cases keep rising like this, especially after vacation travel, maybe it’s time to hit the pause button for a little bit.

This is a complex question but much research has been done on schools at this point weighing the pros and cons and the current public health guidance (CDC) is that schools should remain open. Having children in school where prevalence of covid is less than in the general community is also not necessarily less safe than closing schools. This may vary, however, based on individual families ability and willingness to isolate, and many families who were able have decided to keep their children home this week.

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I don’t know why you all are lobbying for a one sized fits all approach. The whole system does need to be shut down. I bet the majority of posters here send there kids to two high schools. Maybe those schools need to be shut down. Maybe some of the middle schools. There are a lot of elementary schools that are doing just fine. An uptick to be sure but not nearly enough to justify making kindergartners try to learn from a screen. If you feel like your particular school could do with a virtual break, focus on that and leave the rest of us out of it.

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Anonymous wrote:In the face of everybody in the world, it seems, doing everything they can to keep the schools open, it’s not enough for you. You still have to come on here and complain. So many of you are so damned selfish, thinking only of how the pandemic affects you and your family and no one else. It’s really sad.

I actually think the schools-open-at-any-cost folks are the selfish ones. Totally ignoring that large swaths of our city are still unvaccinated, that immunocompromised folks exist, that hospital workers are at their breaking point and that schools have proven to be a major source of infection in our city. But we can’t possibly close school for three days!!!

Let me clarify: that's who I meant, too.

The schools-open-at-any-cost act like there's a grand conspiracy to close the schools as quickly, extensively, and for as long as possible. Any little hint of a school closing anywhere and they go apesh*t.

Read the post at 10:01 (not mine) to understand why.

Also, some people just believe that protecting the quality of life and futures of kids in general (not just their own) is more important than prolonging the lives of the elderly. It's a philosophical difference of priorities. That combined with the fact that the data doesn't show that school closures actually have a meaningful impact on saving lives.

This isn't a zero sum game. It's not save the kids or kill grandma. How odd that you can't manage to see anything in terms that aren't that black and white.

We can do our best to make school and do our best to protect the vulnerable. Yes, that might mean that little Elspeth can't attend the pep rally at Wilson, and that you should skip the DAR Christmas luncheon. Priorities.

What's odd is that you think what I said implies a zero sum game. You are either obtuse or purposefully misreading my brief post, which was making a point about fundamental priorities in response to those who say that people who want schools to open are just selfishly concerned about their own convenience, when there are larger issues at stake. If you deny that our response (much more extremely than that of other nations) has heavily prioritized the interests of the elderly over those of the young, and our efforts to protect the vulnerable have often ignored the costs to kids, I don't know what to tell you. Yes, I know it's more complicated than "save the kids or kill grandma". You are trying a reductio ad absurdum that is besides my point in an effort to invalidate it.

Oh, and I'm not attending any Christmas luncheon or traveling, for that matter. I don't want any of us to catch Covid, because I want my kids to be school and not force any other kids or teachers into isolation or quarantine. My priorities are perfectly clear.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that this is likely something we will all (or most of us) catch and that other mitigating efforts (indoor eating, bars, etc) would do more to slow the spread than virtual learning.

That being said, I do have concerns about the mental health challenge the timing of this wave does to our teachers, staff, and students- not to mention society as a whole. Everyone is in desperate need of a break, needs to see family/friends, needs to just rest. And now, a good portion of our teachers and staff will spend their holidays isolated and/or sick. That worries me. Schools were already dealing with staff shortages. Teachers and school staff rely on those breaks to recharge and rest... if a large quantity miss that time...

I fear that this wave will impact schools far worse in this regard- as compared to the actual sickness.

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This is the point that most people seem to be missing. I'm a teacher, and this week has been horrendously stressful. Covid cases reported daily - students pulled out of classes when covid results from asymptomatic testing on Monday came in mid-day Tuesday. Multiple teachers sent home in the middle of the day (by other teachers forcing the point - the principal "didn't think the symptoms were severe enough to require leave"). I've been on edge all week, and that comes out as less patience for students, and less ability to put together well-planned lessons. It's hard to do ANY job well when you are in a constant state of stress. It's even harder when you are trying to figure out how to support the students in the classroom and at home. I'll keep going in, but I'm also sure that the quality of education that I'll be able to provide is declining. You can all tell me to quit - I'm trying to push through, but definitely considering it - but that won't solve the issue of your child's education. There is NO ONE to replace me, even if I gave a month's notice before I quit. What is the solution? If the goal is to just have kids in a building to see their friends and let their parents go to work (which is definitely a reasonable purpose for school), then the answer is easy - keep the schools open regardless of what happens. If you want actual learning to happen for the next few months, however, the answer is much more difficult, because driving your teachers into the ground is not the way to go.

See a therapist. They can help you cope with your burnout, fears, and anxiety— and it’s within your control to do so. That alone is a stress relief.

I’m a different poster who’s a DCPS teacher, and I already have a therapist that I’ve worked with to see that I can have a fulfilling career supporting students that doesn’t involve working in the chaos that is a mismanaged district during covid. I put my notice in and won’t be returning after break. So yes, I encourage all of my colleagues to see a therapist too. The mental toll of working through the pandemic in a classroom is too much when your district doesn’t care about its staff.

Thanks for leaving your students in the dust.

Teaching is just a job and like other jobs they’re permitted to quit. The work they leave behind is not their responsibility once they leave. One thing I won’t miss is the manipulation insinuating that I’m expected to sacrifice my physical and mental health to do a job. My school had fewer than 60 students Wednesday, DCPS cancelled covid testing, cohorts were combined because of staffing shortages, and students were pulled out all day because they got positive test results or were close contacts. If you were the parent of one of my students I’d question why you’re willing to send your child to a place where safety is so disregarded.

I agree with most of what you say. However, you need to understand that parents are dealing with a lack of transparency on the part of school admin. The situation you describe is basically unknown to most parents because the school system does not tell us what is going on. We have to pry it out of our kids. This is not your doing or your responsibility but at least you know what is happening which is more than can be said for parents.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that this is likely something we will all (or most of us) catch and that other mitigating efforts (indoor eating, bars, etc) would do more to slow the spread than virtual learning.

That being said, I do have concerns about the mental health challenge the timing of this wave does to our teachers, staff, and students- not to mention society as a whole. Everyone is in desperate need of a break, needs to see family/friends, needs to just rest. And now, a good portion of our teachers and staff will spend their holidays isolated and/or sick. That worries me. Schools were already dealing with staff shortages. Teachers and school staff rely on those breaks to recharge and rest... if a large quantity miss that time...

I fear that this wave will impact schools far worse in this regard- as compared to the actual sickness.

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This is the point that most people seem to be missing. I'm a teacher, and this week has been horrendously stressful. Covid cases reported daily - students pulled out of classes when covid results from asymptomatic testing on Monday came in mid-day Tuesday. Multiple teachers sent home in the middle of the day (by other teachers forcing the point - the principal "didn't think the symptoms were severe enough to require leave"). I've been on edge all week, and that comes out as less patience for students, and less ability to put together well-planned lessons. It's hard to do ANY job well when you are in a constant state of stress. It's even harder when you are trying to figure out how to support the students in the classroom and at home. I'll keep going in, but I'm also sure that the quality of education that I'll be able to provide is declining. You can all tell me to quit - I'm trying to push through, but definitely considering it - but that won't solve the issue of your child's education. There is NO ONE to replace me, even if I gave a month's notice before I quit. What is the solution? If the goal is to just have kids in a building to see their friends and let their parents go to work (which is definitely a reasonable purpose for school), then the answer is easy - keep the schools open regardless of what happens. If you want actual learning to happen for the next few months, however, the answer is much more difficult, because driving your teachers into the ground is not the way to go.

See a therapist. They can help you cope with your burnout, fears, and anxiety— and it’s within your control to do so. That alone is a stress relief.

I’m a different poster who’s a DCPS teacher, and I already have a therapist that I’ve worked with to see that I can have a fulfilling career supporting students that doesn’t involve working in the chaos that is a mismanaged district during covid. I put my notice in and won’t be returning after break. So yes, I encourage all of my colleagues to see a therapist too. The mental toll of working through the pandemic in a classroom is too much when your district doesn’t care about its staff.

Thanks for leaving your students in the dust.

Teaching is just a job and like other jobs they’re permitted to quit. The work they leave behind is not their responsibility once they leave. One thing I won’t miss is the manipulation insinuating that I’m expected to sacrifice my physical and mental health to do a job. My school had fewer than 60 students Wednesday, DCPS cancelled covid testing, cohorts were combined because of staffing shortages, and students were pulled out all day because they got positive test results or were close contacts. If you were the parent of one of my students I’d question why you’re willing to send your child to a place where safety is so disregarded.

I agree with most of what you say. However, you need to understand that parents are dealing with a lack of transparency on the part of school admin. The situation you describe is basically unknown to most parents because the school system does not tell us what is going on. We have to pry it out of our kids. This is not your doing or your responsibility but at least you know what is happening which is more than can be said for parents.

In the case of DCPS, you need to be blaming central. And calling the mayor's office. The dump of cases for my school yesterday was a list sin had been sitting on since Friday. They were explicitly told not to say anything from central.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that this is likely something we will all (or most of us) catch and that other mitigating efforts (indoor eating, bars, etc) would do more to slow the spread than virtual learning.

That being said, I do have concerns about the mental health challenge the timing of this wave does to our teachers, staff, and students- not to mention society as a whole. Everyone is in desperate need of a break, needs to see family/friends, needs to just rest. And now, a good portion of our teachers and staff will spend their holidays isolated and/or sick. That worries me. Schools were already dealing with staff shortages. Teachers and school staff rely on those breaks to recharge and rest... if a large quantity miss that time...

I fear that this wave will impact schools far worse in this regard- as compared to the actual sickness.

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This is the point that most people seem to be missing. I'm a teacher, and this week has been horrendously stressful. Covid cases reported daily - students pulled out of classes when covid results from asymptomatic testing on Monday came in mid-day Tuesday. Multiple teachers sent home in the middle of the day (by other teachers forcing the point - the principal "didn't think the symptoms were severe enough to require leave"). I've been on edge all week, and that comes out as less patience for students, and less ability to put together well-planned lessons. It's hard to do ANY job well when you are in a constant state of stress. It's even harder when you are trying to figure out how to support the students in the classroom and at home. I'll keep going in, but I'm also sure that the quality of education that I'll be able to provide is declining. You can all tell me to quit - I'm trying to push through, but definitely considering it - but that won't solve the issue of your child's education. There is NO ONE to replace me, even if I gave a month's notice before I quit. What is the solution? If the goal is to just have kids in a building to see their friends and let their parents go to work (which is definitely a reasonable purpose for school), then the answer is easy - keep the schools open regardless of what happens. If you want actual learning to happen for the next few months, however, the answer is much more difficult, because driving your teachers into the ground is not the way to go.

See a therapist. They can help you cope with your burnout, fears, and anxiety— and it’s within your control to do so. That alone is a stress relief.

I’m a different poster who’s a DCPS teacher, and I already have a therapist that I’ve worked with to see that I can have a fulfilling career supporting students that doesn’t involve working in the chaos that is a mismanaged district during covid. I put my notice in and won’t be returning after break. So yes, I encourage all of my colleagues to see a therapist too. The mental toll of working through the pandemic in a classroom is too much when your district doesn’t care about its staff.

Thanks for leaving your students in the dust.

Teaching is just a job and like other jobs they’re permitted to quit. The work they leave behind is not their responsibility once they leave. One thing I won’t miss is the manipulation insinuating that I’m expected to sacrifice my physical and mental health to do a job. My school had fewer than 60 students Wednesday, DCPS cancelled covid testing, cohorts were combined because of staffing shortages, and students were pulled out all day because they got positive test results or were close contacts. If you were the parent of one of my students I’d question why you’re willing to send your child to a place where safety is so disregarded.

I agree with most of what you say. However, you need to understand that parents are dealing with a lack of transparency on the part of school admin. The situation you describe is basically unknown to most parents because the school system does not tell us what is going on. We have to pry it out of our kids. This is not your doing or your responsibility but at least you know what is happening which is more than can be said for parents.

I agree that this is a problem, and the times I’ve had covid information that I’m not allowed to tell parents contributed to my decision to leave. I wanted to call parents yesterday and tell them we were going to combine cohorts before we did it to give them the option to pick up before it happened but was told no. Now some students are close contacts that wouldn’t have been otherwise. Teachers post concerns here and are trashed. It’s such a toxic environment and I hate it for everyone. I just can’t do it anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:Our chance to eradicate the virus stopped a long time ago. I’m normally conservative, and fine with even a week or two of virtual in January if that made sense somehow. But staff being out is a huge issue. There are no subs. Teachers are having to double up—their workloads are already maxed out this year especially. I’m hoping test to stay and the vaccine mandate for kids will bring a new set of rules so schools can function again. (Or dysfunction bc DCPS.)

There are more than enough Central aoffice employees to cover. Time for them to start earning their lofty management salaries.

That’s not going to happen, but feel free to get in there and do it yourself, Mama Bear, since nothing is more important (including your high paying job) than having your precious babies inside the walls of school buildings. Enjoy!

Why? Is it too menial for the rarefied air of Central Office? Central Office only exists to support the schools. The schools and the actual valuable employees need help. If the secretaries are sick at my office then the partners do their own photocopying. It's not about me. It's about stepping up to support the core mission when the organization is short staffed. Central Office has failed big time and it is an unconsionable dereliction of duty.

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Anonymous wrote:A reality check for those of you who don't follow the news:

1. Omicron cases in places like South Africa are plummeting

2. All the available evidence indicates that Omicron is far less dangerous than Delta

3. The FDA just approved a new pill that reduces the risk of hospitalization or death in people with COVID by a whopping 90 percent.

Get vaccinated, and you will be fine. And there is absolutely zero reason to keep kids out of school.

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1. is this is relevant because? we are not in South Africa. they are plummeting after a big surge, they will plummet here too after having infected tons of people. good news that it appears to be milder. it does not mean that we are happy to get it

2. this is true, thank god. still i prefer not to get infected thanks (parent with preexisting conditions)

3. yes, good to know that in 2-3 months, way after the surge is likely over, there will be pills available to take at home in the esarly stages. now and in the next few weeks there are no pills availale for a large number of people to take them at home before they get really sick

we are all vaccinated, parents bosted and older teenager will be boosted next week. still the surge is now, i know directly people that in the last two weeks got very sick for days because of Covid, and among parents adn teachers i bet there are many that because of age, cancer treatmentsm diabetes or other issues are at higher risk.

i a not saying we need to go online another year. but given the raopid spread, schools should have closed last Friday and maybe go online one full week (or maybe two depending on the numbers) after we are back just to let the surge pass (which may be fast like in South Africa). i sent my kids to school this year knowing that it was the best for them, learning in class and being aware that they might be in contact with positive people, but i am much less willing to send my kids to school when half the school is sick.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that this is likely something we will all (or most of us) catch and that other mitigating efforts (indoor eating, bars, etc) would do more to slow the spread than virtual learning.

That being said, I do have concerns about the mental health challenge the timing of this wave does to our teachers, staff, and students- not to mention society as a whole. Everyone is in desperate need of a break, needs to see family/friends, needs to just rest. And now, a good portion of our teachers and staff will spend their holidays isolated and/or sick. That worries me. Schools were already dealing with staff shortages. Teachers and school staff rely on those breaks to recharge and rest... if a large quantity miss that time...

I fear that this wave will impact schools far worse in this regard- as compared to the actual sickness.

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This is the point that most people seem to be missing. I'm a teacher, and this week has been horrendously stressful. Covid cases reported daily - students pulled out of classes when covid results from asymptomatic testing on Monday came in mid-day Tuesday. Multiple teachers sent home in the middle of the day (by other teachers forcing the point - the principal "didn't think the symptoms were severe enough to require leave"). I've been on edge all week, and that comes out as less patience for students, and less ability to put together well-planned lessons. It's hard to do ANY job well when you are in a constant state of stress. It's even harder when you are trying to figure out how to support the students in the classroom and at home. I'll keep going in, but I'm also sure that the quality of education that I'll be able to provide is declining. You can all tell me to quit - I'm trying to push through, but definitely considering it - but that won't solve the issue of your child's education. There is NO ONE to replace me, even if I gave a month's notice before I quit. What is the solution? If the goal is to just have kids in a building to see their friends and let their parents go to work (which is definitely a reasonable purpose for school), then the answer is easy - keep the schools open regardless of what happens. If you want actual learning to happen for the next few months, however, the answer is much more difficult, because driving your teachers into the ground is not the way to go.

See a therapist. They can help you cope with your burnout, fears, and anxiety— and it’s within your control to do so. That alone is a stress relief.

I’m a different poster who’s a DCPS teacher, and I already have a therapist that I’ve worked with to see that I can have a fulfilling career supporting students that doesn’t involve working in the chaos that is a mismanaged district during covid. I put my notice in and won’t be returning after break. So yes, I encourage all of my colleagues to see a therapist too. The mental toll of working through the pandemic in a classroom is too much when your district doesn’t care about its staff.

Thanks for leaving your students in the dust.

Teaching is just a job and like other jobs they’re permitted to quit. The work they leave behind is not their responsibility once they leave. One thing I won’t miss is the manipulation insinuating that I’m expected to sacrifice my physical and mental health to do a job. My school had fewer than 60 students Wednesday, DCPS cancelled covid testing, cohorts were combined because of staffing shortages, and students were pulled out all day because they got positive test results or were close contacts. If you were the parent of one of my students I’d question why you’re willing to send your child to a place where safety is so disregarded.

I agree with most of what you say. However, you need to understand that parents are dealing with a lack of transparency on the part of school admin. The situation you describe is basically unknown to most parents because the school system does not tell us what is going on. We have to pry it out of our kids. This is not your doing or your responsibility but at least you know what is happening which is more than can be said for parents.

I agree that this is a problem, and the times I’ve had covid information that I’m not allowed to tell parents contributed to my decision to leave. I wanted to call parents yesterday and tell them we were going to combine cohorts before we did it to give them the option to pick up before it happened but was told no. Now some students are close contacts that wouldn’t have been otherwise. Teachers post concerns here and are trashed. It’s such a toxic environment and I hate it for everyone. I just can’t do it anymore.

Well, I wish you luck. I hope you aren’t one of my kids teachers and that they can all hold on for the rest of the year. Then we are out of DCPS as well. I am not happy about it. We tried but the fight is just not worth.

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Anonymous wrote:A reality check for those of you who don't follow the news:

1. Omicron cases in places like South Africa are plummeting

2. All the available evidence indicates that Omicron is far less dangerous than Delta

3. The FDA just approved a new pill that reduces the risk of hospitalization or death in people with COVID by a whopping 90 percent.

Get vaccinated, and you will be fine. And there is absolutely zero reason to keep kids out of school.

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Anonymous wrote:A reality check for those of you who don't follow the news:

1. Omicron cases in places like South Africa are plummeting

2. All the available evidence indicates that Omicron is far less dangerous than Delta

3. The FDA just approved a new pill that reduces the risk of hospitalization or death in people with COVID by a whopping 90 percent.

Get vaccinated, and you will be fine. And there is absolutely zero reason to keep kids out of school.

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What about PK3-K’ers who can’t get vaccinated? Or kids in school with younger siblings who can’t get vaccinated?

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Anonymous wrote:In the face of everybody in the world, it seems, doing everything they can to keep the schools open, it’s not enough for you. You still have to come on here and complain. So many of you are so damned selfish, thinking only of how the pandemic affects you and your family and no one else. It’s really sad.

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There is a big risk to kids and adults why have underlying issues. Letting Covid spread unmitigated is a disaster even if it is fine for your family. Health care workers are burned out and hospitals are in crisis mode. Same for schools and teachers.

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It’s disheartening how little you care about kids like my daughter, with a rare disease the compromises her immune system. She has these big beautiful eyes that light up the sky. Letting a pandemic rip through schools that her brother could bring home could kill her. Does she deserve to die because you can’t be bothered? Think about what happens to a community when there are no guardrails.

Keep kids in school but do it safely.

I have a friend with three kids one of whom is extremely vulnerable to Covid. She is homeschooling all three this year. She isn’t going around demanding that everyone keep their kids home too or that schools meet some impossible standard of safety to accommodate her individual situation.

You guys are horrible. She never said anything about going virtual for an extended time. Omicron will pass through quickly. All she is saying is that 2 weeks virtual in early January might be prudent. But you are too selfish to inconvenience yourself even a smidgen.

No, you have this completely backwards. The people who are selfish are the ones who have special circumstances and expect the whole system to conform to their needs. If you really think about the collective of kids, schools should not shut down even for two weeks. For the vast majority of children, the disruption and the additional lost learning of those two weeks (after 1.5 years of closed schools!) is worse than the risk of catching Covid at school, which can and will happen at some point anyway, and not necessarily at school. Also, many parents have run out of leave and will have to find alternative childcare, which is another reason shutting schools is also not going to make a dent into the potential problem of overburdened hospitals.

That's not how decent societies work, but this is America, so I should really stop being shocked.

I did pull her brother out early once I saw numbers; we just take the unexcused absences. We make personal decisions that I don't demand others do to mitigate our risk.

However, it's not just my kid. There are tens of thousands of at-risk people. So while you DGAF whether my kid lives or dies, I sure as heck hope you get it through your skull that when those at-risk people end up in hospitals, that impacts you. When children across the city are orphaned or traumatized, that creates long-term social impacts for our city, and therefore impacts you. When the workforce is unable to work, that impacts you.

Open-at-all-costs thinking, refusing to consider going virtual even for the three whole days before Christmas, creates ripple effects and expedites community transmission.

And when people like you say there should be no guardrails and everyone should get sick, what you're really you don't care about the immunocompromised, the disabled, the unvaccinated who could get seriously ill. It's sick and it's short-sighted.