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New York times op ed on maintaining black spaces
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Anonymous
Flippant? Lol. That word makes it seem as though you’re an authority figure, or baseline arbiter of truth, to whom I’m obligated to kowtow. It’s okay for people to disagree. That doesn’t make them racist. I’m not doubting the agency of the author or her lived experience or whatever other tripe. In actuality, from my perspective, your assessment of the article really falls short. The author clearly feels some spaces should be preserved in amber and that “displacement” as a result of gentrification is a genuine thing for concern. From my perspective, if you can’t afford to live somewhere, like every other person in normal America, you move. Equal rights are equal rights. Additionally, the author’s “perspective” about white people and library boxes and all the other is rehashed and unoriginal and riding the grievance train that’s so hot at the moment. It’s socially sanctioned racism. It’s only getting worse. |
Anonymous
Be honest: this article doesn't undermine the democratic agenda. It just states out loud the nature of the democratic agenda. To the extent that making clear what the democrats are about undermines their agenda, there is a problem, and it's one the democrats need to own. |
Anonymous
Poor reading comprehension is a recurrent problem in this thread. |
Anonymous
Or Omar's comments about how it's "all about the Benjamins, baby..." and being allowed to keep her committee seats....I mean, it's just anti-Semitism, but I'm sure that causes you no concern.... |
Anonymous
Well for one there isn’t a 500+ year history of blacks oppressing whites including forcing them into chattel slavery, segregation, and apartheid. Duh. |
Anonymous
Oh. |
Anonymous
what does this have to do with feeling angry about a white couple looking at a little library you made public? I'm not getting it... |
Anonymous
Genetic pain. |
Anonymous
“Stuff was really bad for some people in the past, so to right those wrongs from decades ago, we need to deride and denigrate the descendants of those oppressors, who had nothing to do with the original horrors, with an endless steam of borderline racist articles and half baked policies like ending Gifted and Talented and AP classes, using restorative justice and unproven Violence interruptors over policing, and other stuff. Also, anyone who even considers objective thought on any of the new polices is guilty of fragility and must be shamed into submission.” |
Anonymous
and they also need somehow to guess that they shouldn't look at little libraries on lawns of houses that may be owned by a black person |
Anonymous
Hahahaha oh they’ll blame you too. You’re white, your own history and immigrant arrival timeline is irrelevant. |
Anonymous
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I really enjoyed the article, although I found the last paragraph to be kind of a throwaway. I agree with a PP that it looks like an editor made the author wrap it up too soon.
Segregation and culturally-specific spaces are fundamentally at odds. Culture (of any kind) does not exist without the interaction of the people who make it, and when we desegregate all public spaces, we inherently give up some degree of opportunity to develop and maintain a culture around the constructs on which the segregation takes place. This is as much true of race as it is of sex, sexual orientation, religion, or anything else. I'm firmly in the camp of "racial segregation of neighborhoods was a bad idea the first time, and it's still a bad idea", but I think we have to acknowledge that desegregation (which is a large part of what gentrification is) isn't a free lunch. We also have to acknowledge that the cultural costs of desegregation are disproportionately borne by minority and disadvantaged groups who have often been segregated against their own will in the past. I don't think it's impossible to overcome those challenges, we can find ways to keep culture alive without re-segregating our entire lives. But it requires extra thoughtfulness and respect to allow people to establish their spaces of cultural exchange where they can find them. And I think it's extra important for white people like myself to be thoughtful about how and where our presence affects others. I'm a white person who lives in a gentrifying neighborhood with a history a lot like Inglewood, and I can absolutely imagine neighbors of mine feeling this way, for good reason. I don't feel like I'm intruding to live where I live, both because I think residential segregation is untenable and because frankly, as a DC transplant I'm no more rooted in its white neighborhoods than anywhere else. But I do hope that more of my black neighbors choose not to sell their homes, and I'd love to see more black professionals among new homebuyers. We also need to build more housing so that people can remain connected to their cultural touchpoints without needing to be wealthy to do it. I don't think that any of this is inconsistent with what the author has written; she explicitly says that she was not proud of her split-second reaction, though there is a deeper reality underlying it that requires explication. But dear lord are there some willfully obtuse people on this thread. |
Anonymous
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I see a lot of reasoned and intelligent responses to questions on dcum. I assume that perhaps many of the responders went to good schools or, at least, are somewhat intelligent for living in the DC area, or if not for caring enough to post on DCUM with helpful advice and critical reasoning.
I then read articles like the one in this post, understand that most of America is just struggling to get by, may not have a college degree or be up on the latest Ibrahim Kendi book and the whole lexicon and tiers of privilege and so forth, but somehow reads this article, or sees a bunch of sound bites on Fox , and then decides the author is basically wishing for segregation. That she’s is essentially insulting an entire group of people. I then imagine what this article and the legions of other similar articles. It’s just non stop. It’s being linked to the democrats. They sort of push this agenda and it will play in the November elections. people don’t have the bandwidth for all this stuff and labeling everything racist when it’s not. It’s an endless stream of grievance on a daily basis and it’s all blamed on race. Voters see that the idea of accountability is lost. They see rising crime because of the newly implemented proposals from liberal city councils in response to police abuse. Voters are tired of seeing the pandering and stupid choices as a result of the woke movement. |
Anonymous
No, it isn't. I couldn't care less about someone's little library, regardless of their race or sex/gender. |
Anonymous
You need to read more history, dear. I suggest you start with slave narratives and work your way up through Warmth of Other Sons. Cone back to discuss after you’ve done that. Take a class in CRT while you’e at it so you can actually recognize it and not embarrass yourself when you say you do but you actually don’t. |