"Opening up" means risking your life

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Anonymous wrote:What we need to ask ourselves is why South Korea has 300 deaths and an unemployment rate of 4%. while we are at 90,000 deaths and an unemployment rate of nearly 15%

Good governance matters.

We should not have to choose between our lives and our livelihood

We should be demanding more from our elected leaders: more testing, more contact tracing, more PPE, more coordination of public health efforts, honest and transparent accounting of all deaths everywhere

thanks for the latest D talking points again just like clockwork

South Korea has a healthier population, almost no brown people (Vitamin D) issue, and most importantly a collectivist society

testing doesn't matter if you are sick stay home
contact tracing doesn't matter the virus is everywhere
PPE eh wrap a rag around your face
coordination of public health efforts ok you got one right congrats
honest and transparent accounting of all deaths sure along with statistics showing deaths from this for generally healthy folks are insignificant and most are nursing home related

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This cannot be a serious response!
Every reputable Public health expert tells us this is what we have to do to reopen safely
Regarding your point that the task is harder in the US well that is why we need stronger leadership from our administration. Not excuses or deflections.

and every economic expert says if we don't reopen the country will collapse

and yes that's a serious response

Enough with the public health "experts"!!! We need LEADERS. People who don't turn on a whim, who take problems seriously, all problems, all the deaths, all the devastation, all the people and not just the dang Boomers. People are NOT dying from this like we're being told. 202 deaths in Maryland other than nursing homes, etc. And for sure those people are mostly sick besides. 202! That is a totally insignificant number in the scheme of society and history and life.

There will be very limited forgiveness and patience for you people who keep up with the hysterics. Who lobby rabidly to keep schools closed and businesses shuttered. When we all look back and see how over-wrought and hysterical we became, when the West is decimated as China rises, when the economy is destroyed and the Greatest Depression has set in, you hystericals will be shunned. Common sense people will not allow a dreaded "second wave" to shutter our society again, because we will have collectively shot our load once and, being catastrophically misguided and cowardly and WRONG about how bad this virus is, we won't be willing to do it again. A tide will rise very high, even in cowardly MoCo/NoVa.

China is going to rise because China is dealing with the virus rather than pretending it doesn't exist.

?? Can't even. What does this mean? We're not dealing with the virus? Jeez, if this situation isn't dealing with the virus, I'm terrified of what you think dealing with the virus should look like.

Opening up with no plan in place other than hopes and prayers is not dealing with the virus.

It exists, you know. You can't pretend it away.

FFS. Nobody - I repeat - NOBODY is reopening with no plan in place.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What we need to ask ourselves is why South Korea has 300 deaths and an unemployment rate of 4%. while we are at 90,000 deaths and an unemployment rate of nearly 15%

Good governance matters.

We should not have to choose between our lives and our livelihood

We should be demanding more from our elected leaders: more testing, more contact tracing, more PPE, more coordination of public health efforts, honest and transparent accounting of all deaths everywhere

thanks for the latest D talking points again just like clockwork

South Korea has a healthier population, almost no brown people (Vitamin D) issue, and most importantly a collectivist society

testing doesn't matter if you are sick stay home
contact tracing doesn't matter the virus is everywhere
PPE eh wrap a rag around your face
coordination of public health efforts ok you got one right congrats
honest and transparent accounting of all deaths sure along with statistics showing deaths from this for generally healthy folks are insignificant and most are nursing home related

next

This cannot be a serious response!
Every reputable Public health expert tells us this is what we have to do to reopen safely
Regarding your point that the task is harder in the US well that is why we need stronger leadership from our administration. Not excuses or deflections.

and every economic expert says if we don't reopen the country will collapse

and yes that's a serious response

Enough with the public health "experts"!!! We need LEADERS. People who don't turn on a whim, who take problems seriously, all problems, all the deaths, all the devastation, all the people and not just the dang Boomers. People are NOT dying from this like we're being told. 202 deaths in Maryland other than nursing homes, etc. And for sure those people are mostly sick besides. 202! That is a totally insignificant number in the scheme of society and history and life.

There will be very limited forgiveness and patience for you people who keep up with the hysterics. Who lobby rabidly to keep schools closed and businesses shuttered. When we all look back and see how over-wrought and hysterical we became, when the West is decimated as China rises, when the economy is destroyed and the Greatest Depression has set in, you hystericals will be shunned. Common sense people will not allow a dreaded "second wave" to shutter our society again, because we will have collectively shot our load once and, being catastrophically misguided and cowardly and WRONG about how bad this virus is, we won't be willing to do it again. A tide will rise very high, even in cowardly MoCo/NoVa.

That’s because the DMV shut down What do you think the death toll would’ve been if we hadn’t? Also we are learning that people who get sick and recover are often suffering long term damage to vital organs. We are also not sure whether surviving Covid confers immunity to future infection.

Seen the news today about the "buggy mess" of a UK model that precipitated the maniacal lockdowns? What would have happened? Herd immunity and a totally normal amount of yearly flu deaths. Just like in Sweden. That's what would have happened.

Seen the news today that liberal lauded Colorado adjusted their death rate DOWN? The state that did the same opening strategy as much maligned Georgia did?

The death rate and causes is totally fake. We've been had. Sooner you incorporate that reality, the better off you'll be. We'll all be.

Sweden has 34 deaths per 100,000 people compared to the US at 25 deaths per 100,000 people. This is despite many people generally being pretty responsible and voluntarily trying to socially distance even though it is not mandated. They still don’t know what herd immunity looks like because we still don’t know whether having the infection protects you from getting reinfected.
Regarding Colorado I think many places are struggling with the question of when to classify a death as related to Covid 19. In the beginning they were mostly classifying deaths related to respiratory illnesses this way but we have learned more in recent weeks about how this disease is causing tremendous damage to other vital organs and we now know that Covid patients are dying from renal failure etc. Compounding the situation is the paucity of adequate and reliable testing. Many hospitals were prioritizing scarce tests for the living. In addition many tests have high false negative tests. So we might end up having to use excess deaths as our best method to calculate the death toll. Of course this assumes that governors are open, honest and transparent about all the deaths that occur in their states and readily share this information with the CDC etc

[Anonymous]

My Trumpist FB friend says that it's the MEDIA to blame, for making everyone so fearful. I just can't even deal with them anymore.

[Anonymous]

Open up. There’s no legal justification to enforce a quarantine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What we need to ask ourselves is why South Korea has 300 deaths and an unemployment rate of 4%. while we are at 90,000 deaths and an unemployment rate of nearly 15%

Good governance matters.

We should not have to choose between our lives and our livelihood

We should be demanding more from our elected leaders: more testing, more contact tracing, more PPE, more coordination of public health efforts, honest and transparent accounting of all deaths everywhere

thanks for the latest D talking points again just like clockwork

South Korea has a healthier population, almost no brown people (Vitamin D) issue, and most importantly a collectivist society

testing doesn't matter if you are sick stay home
contact tracing doesn't matter the virus is everywhere
PPE eh wrap a rag around your face
coordination of public health efforts ok you got one right congrats
honest and transparent accounting of all deaths sure along with statistics showing deaths from this for generally healthy folks are insignificant and most are nursing home related

next

This cannot be a serious response!
Every reputable Public health expert tells us this is what we have to do to reopen safely
Regarding your point that the task is harder in the US well that is why we need stronger leadership from our administration. Not excuses or deflections.

and every economic expert says if we don't reopen the country will collapse

and yes that's a serious response

Enough with the public health "experts"!!! We need LEADERS. People who don't turn on a whim, who take problems seriously, all problems, all the deaths, all the devastation, all the people and not just the dang Boomers. People are NOT dying from this like we're being told. 202 deaths in Maryland other than nursing homes, etc. And for sure those people are mostly sick besides. 202! That is a totally insignificant number in the scheme of society and history and life.

There will be very limited forgiveness and patience for you people who keep up with the hysterics. Who lobby rabidly to keep schools closed and businesses shuttered. When we all look back and see how over-wrought and hysterical we became, when the West is decimated as China rises, when the economy is destroyed and the Greatest Depression has set in, you hystericals will be shunned. Common sense people will not allow a dreaded "second wave" to shutter our society again, because we will have collectively shot our load once and, being catastrophically misguided and cowardly and WRONG about how bad this virus is, we won't be willing to do it again. A tide will rise very high, even in cowardly MoCo/NoVa.

China is going to rise because China is dealing with the virus rather than pretending it doesn't exist.

?? Can't even. What does this mean? We're not dealing with the virus? Jeez, if this situation isn't dealing with the virus, I'm terrified of what you think dealing with the virus should look like.

Opening up with no plan in place other than hopes and prayers is not dealing with the virus.

It exists, you know. You can't pretend it away.

FFS. Nobody - I repeat - NOBODY is reopening with no plan in place.

Well, it's true that some of the red states have a plan for hopes and prayers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My Trumpist FB friend says that it's the MEDIA to blame, for making everyone so fearful. I just can't even deal with them anymore.

Right. If the media had not made people afraid, then no one would have died. Similarly, if we had not tested anyone, no one would be sick and this would all be a non-issue. Darn those who insist on making us aware of current events!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Open up. There’s no legal justification to enforce a quarantine.

Tell it to a judge. It worked in Wisconsin.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Open up. There’s no legal justification to enforce a quarantine.

They actually do.

[Anonymous]

Of course, that's not what the open up crowd want. They want me and my family to put ourselves at risk too, and that is not a risk I am willing to take.

This is the part that makes me so angry. Lots of the idiots protesting don't want to go back to work themselves. They want ME to have to go back to work and risk MY life and the life of my kids and my parents so that they (protesters) can get a haircut or a beer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Open up. There’s no legal justification to enforce a quarantine.

Under section 361 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S. Code § 264), the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services is authorized to take measures to prevent the entry and spread of communicable diseases from foreign countries into the United States and between states.

[Anonymous]

Living life always has risks of life - car accidents, lyme disease, drowning, heart attacks, fatal falls, flu, murder, novo viruses from China.

Move on and figure a way not to wreck the economy for the next 3+ generations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Open up. There’s no legal justification to enforce a quarantine.

Oh really?

https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/on-this-day-the-supreme-court-rules-on-vaccines-and-public-health

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Open up. There’s no legal justification to enforce a quarantine.

Under section 361 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S. Code § 264), the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services is authorized to take measures to prevent the entry and spread of communicable diseases from foreign countries into the United States and between states.

Invalid, particularly at the governor level, to lock down a state.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Living life always has risks of life - car accidents, lyme disease, drowning, heart attacks, fatal falls, flu, murder, novo viruses from China.

Move on and figure a way not to wreck the economy for the next 3+ generations.

Everything you list is voluntary, avoidable or has a treatment. COVID-19 is none of those things.

As you were saying?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Open up. There’s no legal justification to enforce a quarantine.

Under section 361 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S. Code § 264), the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services is authorized to take measures to prevent the entry and spread of communicable diseases from foreign countries into the United States and between states.

From constitutioncenter.org:

Government agencies do have the power to take action if needed. For example, in Pennsylvania, violators of its Communicable and Noncommunicable Diseases code (Chapter 27 of Health and Safety Act 28) may face fines and imprisonment in county jail.

The National Conference of State Legislatures maintains a comprehensive list of state quarantine and isolation statutes, including penalties. Likewise, violation of federal quarantine orders can result in fines and imprisonment under Title 42 of the U.S. Code.