Official Brett Kavanaugh Thread, Part 3

[Anonymous]

The Dems need to get their $hit together now and have the most competent, thorough list of questions that need to be investigated. They should look to Twitter to find out plenty of leads and questions and inconsistencies that need sussing out: calendar entries, people to talk to (aside from, obviously, Mark Judge), locations of different people's homes, and all of the false statements made by Kavanaugh under oath. The Twitter sleuths have been working hard.

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Anonymous wrote:What are the chances McConnell will actually respect Flakes request? Lame of him to vote yes now rather than make the investigation a prerequisite to his yes vote.

I think the implication is that Flake is a no on the floor vote unless there’s a proper investigation.

Thank you for clarifying.

This is my takeaway too. They advanced it out of committee. McConnell now can postpone the vote to accommodate a 1 week investigation or Flake won't be a Yes.?

But even if Flake votes no, the Senate would be 50-50 and Mike Pence would break the tie. We need one more Senator (Murkowski/Collins) to push for the FBI investigation.

Collins and Murkowski are with him.

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Anonymous wrote:There are three other women waiting in the wings to come forward during the week. All will testify that Kavanaugh took turns with them after they were drugged. I heard it from a Yale graduate

was on the Yale alum distribution list. anyone please come forward if they had any situations with said individual. civic duty solicitation.

"Or even if you haven't and are just interested in lying to help ruin a Republican's life and family"

We can all read between the lines. This has seriously gone to far.

Yes, what has gone too far is the republicans trying to push through a candidate where serious questions have been raised, without a FBI investigation - they very tool the republicans have called for TIME AND AGAIN.

It is not okay.

Also if you think that he is innocent I have a bridge to sell you. He is a pathetic liar.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump has no idea what is going on.

I really did want to mention that, but it really seemed like he didn't.

He's not the only one, in this instance.

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Anonymous wrote:People don't want to be held responsible for dumb things they did in HIGH SCHOOL. According to Kavanaugh, it was a normal way of partying. He specifically repeated that it was normal back then to drink at 18 because that was allowed. For those who have been drunk, do you really think you never did anything inappropriate when drunk. You don't remember it! And if partying was an every weekend thing, you definitely will not remember who this Ford girl was-she didn't seem like she would be a very outgoing loud 'look at me' girl back then.

Many people get drunk in HS and don't sexually assault people. Not back in the 1980s or now. You also have no idea if or if not Ford was and is now promiscuous.

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Anonymous wrote:You gotta love Amy Klobucher from MN. She's sharp and articulate.

And that’s why I just voted for her!

Me too!

Minnesota voter high five!

I feel like I found my dream 2020 presidential candidate!

(Begging Jeff’s pardon for a mere minute and then I’m back on topic - careful. The GOP menfolk like to say she’s mean to her staff)

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Anonymous wrote:I have a feeling this investigation will bring us no closer to the truth here. The witnesses who have already denied this happening will do so again. Ford will reiterate that though she doesn’t remember much else, shes 100% sure BK was the one who assaulted her. It will still be down to credibility

But won't they question Mark Judge at that point?

Mark Judge doesn’t have to say a damned thing. FBI can’t make you answer questions.

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Leland and Judge. Step up pls.

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Okay, here's my problem. I don't know what happened in any of these allegations against Kavanaugh. Dr. Ford came across very intelligent, passionate and truthful. Based on her testimony and friendly testimonials for her, he sounds guilty as h**l. But Judge Kavanaugh also sounds very sincere in his denials. He is also intelligent and passionate and likewise has a lot of testimonials. Based on his testimony, it sounds like she was very mistaken perhaps by trauma about enough details to question whether it was Kavanaugh. Both sound credible. Fortunately, from my perspective, I don't have to decide his guilt or innocence based on very intelligent and passionate people talking about a he-said, she-said situation.

In my mind, judges need to appear to be impartial. They need to appear knowledgeable enough to listen to the arguments, do their due diligence research into the law and precedence and come up with a fair judgment. Now, "fair" is obviously a subjective word, but everyone should feel going in that they have a chance to present their case, be heard, have their analysis of the law (or their lawyer's analysis of the law) and have the law applied to them in a reasonable way. The problem here is that even without deciding whether the man is guilty or not of the alleged crimes, how are any women going to feel having their cases adjudicated by this man? Whether he is guilty or not, he is now condemned by this vetting process to be overshadowed by this accusation for the rest of his life and career. Unless someone could present a video of what happened that night he will never fully come out from under this shadow. While many believe that Dr. Ford has been grossly victimized by her traumatic past, Judge Kavanaugh has certainly been victimized by this media circus and will forever be questioned or even assumed guilty by many because there is no way for him to ever prove his innocence and there is no way for Dr. Ford to ever prove his guilt. He is stuck in a limbo of ignorance. Many will believe him or believe her, but that is not proof. Because of this, it is unfortunately true that he cannot reasonablyt sit on the highest federal court, where litigants have no recourse and no appeal. This shadow will color every decision he makes, every ruling he gives, every statement he writes and that is not appropriate for a SC Justice.

It is unfortunate, especially if he is innocent, but he should not be seated on the SCOTUS.

[Anonymous]

Ford DATED the Kavanaugh look-alike. The FBI should investigate that.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not against an FBI invest. But I’m confused on a few points
-I thought they, the FBI, had considered and decided no. I brought this up yesterday but it got lost in the massive Part 2 thread.
-as I’ve heard legal experts suggest (liberal ones too!), the FBI doesn’t judge on the matter. You will still have 98% probability that no conclusion will be made. The 2% chance is worth it I suppose but as I heard someone on LRC put it, the FBI isn’t “magical.”
-what is their exact jurisdiction on this? In the way they investigate cases, they don’t usually take on 35yo cases in which no charges were filed. (Educate me here)

The FBI wasn't asked after these allegations were made and (like in the Anita Hill case asked by Pres Bush) they would conduct an investigation if the president asked
They don't reach conclusions but would corroborate or refute what the allegations are... adding proof to her case or not, which would help Senators decide which way to vote.

Here’s the deal: there is no proof. They would interview BK CBF, Judge, Leland keyser. That’s been done. What proof? What proof exists after 36 years?

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Anonymous wrote:I think we ought to thanks the women who confronted Flake in the elevator this morning. I have to believe their voices made the difference.

Yes, this has been hard on women especially. The channels to our reps are usually limited to emails, and testimony that is civilized. That doesn't always express how we feel; how their decisions affect our lives.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's suppose they do an all out complete investigation, witnesses, perjury on the line etc and it turns out he didn't do it.

Then what?

I think the real question is suppose the FBI does an investigation and no one can remember enough to corroborate anything. Then what?

Then they vote.

There will more allegations and a further delay

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Anonymous wrote:I have a feeling this investigation will bring us no closer to the truth here. The witnesses who have already denied this happening will do so again. Ford will reiterate that though she doesn’t remember much else, shes 100% sure BK was the one who assaulted her. It will still be down to credibility

It will in fact find the truth. The people who lied to the public won't be so willing to lie to the FBI, when a legal consequence is possible. How many friends would you be willing to go to jail for?

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Anonymous wrote:Wow! Trump just said that Ford's testimony was "very credible" and that "she is a very fine woman." He was asked about Kavanaugh's testimony and paused to think about it (unlike his answer about Ford) and said it was good and he'd "never seen anything like it." He also said he was fine with waiting a week if that was what the senate comes up with.

Obviously he doesn't think Kavanaugh is a winner - he's distancing himself.

Not really. Despite finding Ford's testimony "very credible", he still hasn't given a second's thought on Kavanaugh possible replacement. So, he couldn't have been that moved by her testimony.