UVA Student Released from North Korea; Has Been in a Coma for a Year?

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Anonymous wrote:This thread needs to be locked.

Why? It's a valid observation that there was an outpouring of sympathy for an ex-felon who lost his life in one fell swoop and an attitude of "he deserved it" for an accomplished college student who suffered for weeks or months on end. It's worth it to uncover the attitudes that bely the compassion for one and the seeming hatred for the other, no?

No.
No one is making this point. You brought it up as a straw man argument to smear liberals and no one is defending this point. As an anonymous forum, you can't conflate those who find fault with Otto in this thread with others who defend whoever this "black ex-felon" is in another thread.

Actually, you have a point there. They are not necessarily the same people defending the ex-felon and saying "he deserved it" with Otto. You're right.

So separating out those two issues, I am still appalled at the lack of compassion for this young man and his family. May he RIP.

Me too, PP.

[Anonymous]

"So now it's not the point? How convenient.

There are kids of all races in this country who suffer terrible abuse and many of them live in abject poverty and grow up to be criminals. You're happy to write that suffering off and seemingly have no regard for small children who wonder if they'll eat or be safe, at the very least. If you're 3 years old and don't know if you're going to eat or get burned by a cigarette, you're suffering. Unfortunately, kids can't control the families and circumstances they're born into. Otto, though, made the choice to visit a country that hates the US and is led by a notoriously unstable person. I'm sincerely sorry for him that his choice had terrible and disproportionate consequences, but he made that choice.

And, I'll wait for this strong source you have. A link shouldn't derail the thread."


Different poster here. Lolol. Are you the poster who was complaining about false equivalencies? Do you not see how transparent you are?

[Anonymous]

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So now it's not the point? How convenient.

There are kids of all races in this country who suffer terrible abuse and many of them live in abject poverty and grow up to be criminals. You're happy to write that suffering off and seemingly have no regard for small children who wonder if they'll eat or be safe, at the very least. If you're 3 years old and don't know if you're going to eat or get burned by a cigarette, you're suffering. Unfortunately, kids can't control the families and circumstances they're born into. Otto, though, made the choice to visit a country that hates the US and is led by a notoriously unstable person. I'm sincerely sorry for him that his choice had terrible and disproportionate consequences, but he made that choice.

And, I'll wait for this strong source you have. A link shouldn't derail the thread.

Oh, so it's this person. As a liberal, please don't put me in the same category as whoever wrote the previous post. I have total sympathy for Otto Warmbier.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"So now it's not the point? How convenient.

There are kids of all races in this country who suffer terrible abuse and many of them live in abject poverty and grow up to be criminals. You're happy to write that suffering off and seemingly have no regard for small children who wonder if they'll eat or be safe, at the very least. If you're 3 years old and don't know if you're going to eat or get burned by a cigarette, you're suffering. Unfortunately, kids can't control the families and circumstances they're born into. Otto, though, made the choice to visit a country that hates the US and is led by a notoriously unstable person. I'm sincerely sorry for him that his choice had terrible and disproportionate consequences, but he made that choice.

And, I'll wait for this strong source you have. A link shouldn't derail the thread."


Different poster here. Lolol. Are you the poster who was complaining about false equivalencies? Do you not see how transparent you are?

I am the one who complained about false equivalencies and also doesn't want to be put in the same category as the this poster. Hey, there are crazy liberals out there too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread needs to be locked.

Why? It's a valid observation that there was an outpouring of sympathy for an ex-felon who lost his life in one fell swoop and an attitude of "he deserved it" for an accomplished college student who suffered for weeks or months on end. It's worth it to uncover the attitudes that bely the compassion for one and the seeming hatred for the other, no?

Since when is expecting that people deal with the consequences of their actions considered hatred? Who wouldn't expect that going to North Korea could be deadly dangerous? That doesn't mean it's deserved, just that it's the reality. No one hates Otto and it isn't mutually exclusive to think that Otto was responsible for his own terrible demise and still feel badly for him that it ended up that way.

Actually, I agree with you - that people suffer the consequences of their own choices. I was bringing up the point that people seemed to hold Otto responsible for his poor choice (to go to NK) while specifically saying the violent ex-felon from the other thread was not to blame for his choice (not to drop the gun). Another poster rightfully reminded me that I was conflating two threads and that the people I was admonishing for their inconsistency were very likely not the same group of posters.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Three more Americans are in North Korean detention. What's Trump doing to get them out?

So far he's done more good than your guy did in eight years.

Obama never considered it to be an "honor" to meet Kim Jung Un, unlike our governing buffoon. Trump also thinks Kim is a "smart cookie." Trump is just so clueless. He really thinks China wants to change North Korea, but just cant. How dumb is he?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread needs to be locked.

Why? It's a valid observation that there was an outpouring of sympathy for an ex-felon who lost his life in one fell swoop and an attitude of "he deserved it" for an accomplished college student who suffered for weeks or months on end. It's worth it to uncover the attitudes that bely the compassion for one and the seeming hatred for the other, no?

Since when is expecting that people deal with the consequences of their actions considered hatred? Who wouldn't expect that going to North Korea could be deadly dangerous? That doesn't mean it's deserved, just that it's the reality. No one hates Otto and it isn't mutually exclusive to think that Otto was responsible for his own terrible demise and still feel badly for him that it ended up that way.

Actually, I agree with you - that people suffer the consequences of their own choices. I was bringing up the point that people seemed to hold Otto responsible for his poor choice (to go to NK) while specifically saying the violent ex-felon from the other thread was not to blame for his choice (not to drop the gun). Another poster rightfully reminded me that I was conflating two threads and that the people I was admonishing for their inconsistency were very likely not the same group of posters.

Whoa, hold on here. Are we all coming to an agreement here? That would be a new one for the DCUM political forum.

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Anonymous wrote:Agree, it sounds like "La Sha" was raised in a hate filled home, so I am not at all surprised by her response to this tragedy.

I just don't get the double standard.

On one hand, we have an ex-con with prison time for assault, banishing a stolen gun near a schoolyard, and defying police who ordered him 11 times to drop his gun - and the encounter ends in his swift death. Liberals are bemoaning the fate of the man, whom they refuse to admit had any role in his demise. He was black.

On the other hand, we have a 21-year-old student at UVA, who had completed a semester at the London School of Economics and was studying abroad. He makes a stupid mistake in taking a poster (if he even did), never threatened anyone, never imprisoned for assault. But he is not only killed, he endures a horrific experience and Lord-knows-what before it all ends. Yet, we have people saying he's an idiot who deserved it, and is responsible for his own actions. He was white.

Why all the sympathy and excuses for a violent ex-con and the disgusting lack of compassion for a college kid who never hurt anyone? The difference is black and white. (Double meaning intended.)

White tears

Not true at all. Many people would agree with PP.

I'm the PP (who outlined the difference between the two deaths), and I had to look up the term "white tears." Now that I know its meaning, I would say that the responder who used it proves my point even further. Why is the violent ex-con who has assault on his record a more sympathetic figure than a college kid who never hurt anyone? I feel much worse for this kid and what he went through than I do for the ex-con. The college kid suffered much worse.

The college kid suffered much worse at the end of his life; the ex-con likely suffered just as much in the beginning.

As bad as growing up in poverty can be in America, the majority of poor people still have air-conditioning, microwaves, color TV, and a car - to say nothing of the luxury of sleeping in a bed. I sure hope you're not comparing the plight of a poor black kid to the torture of a North Korean prison camp.

Link please to support that the "majority of poor people still have AC, microwaves, beds, etc." And even if that were true (which I'll wait to see some objective support for), there's more to raising a child than having AC.

That's not the point. Were you the one who tried to say the violent ex-felon who wouldn't drop his gun (after the cops had told him to 11 times) had it just as bad in the beginning of his life as Otto did at the end of his? Are you honestly trying to say that it's just as awful to be a poor black child in America as it is to be sentenced to hard labor in a North Korean prison camp? Why does everything have to turn into the Oppression Olympics? News flash: There are worse things than growing up black and in poverty, and a sentence of 15 years in a North Korean prison camp is one of them.

And as far as the stats on poverty, I have them - and with a strong source - but I don't want this thread to go in another direction. This is about Otto, and why blacks are so sympathetic to an ex-felon with an assault record and have a "WGAF" attitude toward a white college kid who never hurt anyone.

So now it's not the point? How convenient.

There are kids of all races in this country who suffer terrible abuse and many of them live in abject poverty and grow up to be criminals. You're happy to write that suffering off and seemingly have no regard for small children who wonder if they'll eat or be safe, at the very least. If you're 3 years old and don't know if you're going to eat or get burned by a cigarette, you're suffering. Unfortunately, kids can't control the families and circumstances they're born into. Otto, though, made the choice to visit a country that hates the US and is led by a notoriously unstable person. I'm sincerely sorry for him that his choice had terrible and disproportionate consequences, but he made that choice.

And, I'll wait for this strong source you have. A link shouldn't derail the thread.

No, I'm not posting the link here. If you want to talk about the plight of small children in poverty and accuse me of caring nothing for them, start a new thread on that topic. This thread is about Otto, and how one mistake cost him his life - and a torturous experience to end his days. Again, may he RIP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree, it sounds like "La Sha" was raised in a hate filled home, so I am not at all surprised by her response to this tragedy.

I just don't get the double standard.

On one hand, we have an ex-con with prison time for assault, banishing a stolen gun near a schoolyard, and defying police who ordered him 11 times to drop his gun - and the encounter ends in his swift death. Liberals are bemoaning the fate of the man, whom they refuse to admit had any role in his demise. He was black.

On the other hand, we have a 21-year-old student at UVA, who had completed a semester at the London School of Economics and was studying abroad. He makes a stupid mistake in taking a poster (if he even did), never threatened anyone, never imprisoned for assault. But he is not only killed, he endures a horrific experience and Lord-knows-what before it all ends. Yet, we have people saying he's an idiot who deserved it, and is responsible for his own actions. He was white.

Why all the sympathy and excuses for a violent ex-con and the disgusting lack of compassion for a college kid who never hurt anyone? The difference is black and white. (Double meaning intended.)

White tears

Not true at all. Many people would agree with PP.

I'm the PP (who outlined the difference between the two deaths), and I had to look up the term "white tears." Now that I know its meaning, I would say that the responder who used it proves my point even further. Why is the violent ex-con who has assault on his record a more sympathetic figure than a college kid who never hurt anyone? I feel much worse for this kid and what he went through than I do for the ex-con. The college kid suffered much worse.

The college kid suffered much worse at the end of his life; the ex-con likely suffered just as much in the beginning.

As bad as growing up in poverty can be in America, the majority of poor people still have air-conditioning, microwaves, color TV, and a car - to say nothing of the luxury of sleeping in a bed. I sure hope you're not comparing the plight of a poor black kid to the torture of a North Korean prison camp.

Link please to support that the "majority of poor people still have AC, microwaves, beds, etc." And even if that were true (which I'll wait to see some objective support for), there's more to raising a child than having AC.

That's not the point. Were you the one who tried to say the violent ex-felon who wouldn't drop his gun (after the cops had told him to 11 times) had it just as bad in the beginning of his life as Otto did at the end of his? Are you honestly trying to say that it's just as awful to be a poor black child in America as it is to be sentenced to hard labor in a North Korean prison camp? Why does everything have to turn into the Oppression Olympics? News flash: There are worse things than growing up black and in poverty, and a sentence of 15 years in a North Korean prison camp is one of them.

And as far as the stats on poverty, I have them - and with a strong source - but I don't want this thread to go in another direction. This is about Otto, and why blacks are so sympathetic to an ex-felon with an assault record and have a "WGAF" attitude toward a white college kid who never hurt anyone.

So now it's not the point? How convenient.

There are kids of all races in this country who suffer terrible abuse and many of them live in abject poverty and grow up to be criminals. You're happy to write that suffering off and seemingly have no regard for small children who wonder if they'll eat or be safe, at the very least. If you're 3 years old and don't know if you're going to eat or get burned by a cigarette, you're suffering. Unfortunately, kids can't control the families and circumstances they're born into. Otto, though, made the choice to visit a country that hates the US and is led by a notoriously unstable person. I'm sincerely sorry for him that his choice had terrible and disproportionate consequences, but he made that choice.

And, I'll wait for this strong source you have. A link shouldn't derail the thread.

No, I'm not posting the link here. If you want to talk about the plight of small children in poverty and accuse me of caring nothing for them, start a new thread on that topic. This thread is about Otto, and how one mistake cost him his life - and a torturous experience to end his days. Again, may he RIP.

So you've got nothing. That's cool, but let's not forget that you've engaged in plenty of discussion on this thread that isn't just about Otto, so it's pretty convenient that all of a sudden you're claiming that the thread has to be only about him. I just hope you're as compassionate for all human beings who make one fatal mistake, but I have a feeling you reserve that compassion for only certain types.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread needs to be locked.

Why? It's a valid observation that there was an outpouring of sympathy for an ex-felon who lost his life in one fell swoop and an attitude of "he deserved it" for an accomplished college student who suffered for weeks or months on end. It's worth it to uncover the attitudes that bely the compassion for one and the seeming hatred for the other, no?

Since when is expecting that people deal with the consequences of their actions considered hatred? Who wouldn't expect that going to North Korea could be deadly dangerous? That doesn't mean it's deserved, just that it's the reality. No one hates Otto and it isn't mutually exclusive to think that Otto was responsible for his own terrible demise and still feel badly for him that it ended up that way.

Actually, I agree with you - that people suffer the consequences of their own choices. I was bringing up the point that people seemed to hold Otto responsible for his poor choice (to go to NK) while specifically saying the violent ex-felon from the other thread was not to blame for his choice (not to drop the gun). Another poster rightfully reminded me that I was conflating two threads and that the people I was admonishing for their inconsistency were very likely not the same group of posters.

Whoa, hold on here. Are we all coming to an agreement here? That would be a new one for the DCUM political forum.

I think we may have a first! I'm the one who was conflating the two threads and acknowledged my error when it was pointed out to me. I am willing to admit when I am wrong, just as I admitted it the last time in 1988.

That said, there does still seem to be (at least) one poster who is showing no sympathy for Otto and making excuses for the ex-felon, but I'm not arguing with her anymore. Done....finito.

And now, with that....I have a class this evening. I want to advance in my career and have made a CHOICE to get some additional education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agree, it sounds like "La Sha" was raised in a hate filled home, so I am not at all surprised by her response to this tragedy.

I just don't get the double standard.

On one hand, we have an ex-con with prison time for assault, banishing a stolen gun near a schoolyard, and defying police who ordered him 11 times to drop his gun - and the encounter ends in his swift death. Liberals are bemoaning the fate of the man, whom they refuse to admit had any role in his demise. He was black.

On the other hand, we have a 21-year-old student at UVA, who had completed a semester at the London School of Economics and was studying abroad. He makes a stupid mistake in taking a poster (if he even did), never threatened anyone, never imprisoned for assault. But he is not only killed, he endures a horrific experience and Lord-knows-what before it all ends. Yet, we have people saying he's an idiot who deserved it, and is responsible for his own actions. He was white.

Why all the sympathy and excuses for a violent ex-con and the disgusting lack of compassion for a college kid who never hurt anyone? The difference is black and white. (Double meaning intended.)

White tears

Not true at all. Many people would agree with PP.

I'm the PP (who outlined the difference between the two deaths), and I had to look up the term "white tears." Now that I know its meaning, I would say that the responder who used it proves my point even further. Why is the violent ex-con who has assault on his record a more sympathetic figure than a college kid who never hurt anyone? I feel much worse for this kid and what he went through than I do for the ex-con. The college kid suffered much worse.

Because in liberal PC America it is only acceptable to feel sorry for/sympathize with people who have been oppressed in history including people of color, homosexuals, women, Jews, Muslims, etc. If you are a straight white Christian male, you will never be worthy of sympathy, no matter the situation. You are a representation of the oppressor from years past and you also get to enjoy white privilege which makes you automatically unworthy of sympathy.

Well said.

+2

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You mean a communist government killed an American student. Super fishy? How harsh. This one is on Obama

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

Thanks to whoever posted the travel photos from NK. Do you know if these photos were used by the Young Pioneers tour group for marketing purposes?

[Anonymous]

Why did his parents refuse to do an autopsy? It seems like that decision should be overruled to investigate the exact cause of death. It may still be inconclusive but there is a small chance something could be learned.

[Anonymous]

Because enough is enough. The boy is dead and the family has suffered enough ...they don't need to know how since it doesn't change the outcome.

Anonymous wrote:Why did his parents refuse to do an autopsy? It seems like that decision should be overruled to investigate the exact cause of death. It may still be inconclusive but there is a small chance something could be learned.