ECNL moving to school year not calendar

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Anonymous wrote:Why would ECNL want to have the continued headache of trap players and have to continue to accommodate and manage them which takes time and money and coaching resources, plus the college recruiting issue when there are still a few kids on the team that are a different grade? Fix the problem completely now and eliminate these lingering issues, using one of the methods discussed here. A blind adherence to an 8/1 or 9/1 date doesn’t facilitate a complete answer to the problem ECNL wants to fix.

You have gone full monorail salesman and should give up the pretense of being unbiased.

You keep describing grade year but ECNL doesn't want grade year, they want school year without exceptions.

Rather than pushing your Scooby Doo plan here "which just might work," you are much, much better off spamming Skip and Christian.

Anymore rubbish and you might need to register as a lobbyist...or Russian bot.

I stopped commenting a while ago.

I'm happy to see that others see the benefits of SY+60 and are advocating for it.

I still prefer BY but SY+60 works as well.

They don't, they aren't.

They are, they do.

You don't because you've already made your mind up and are an ECNL supporter.

No big deal, but when SY continues to cause issues because a hard cutoff was chosen players will flow to BY leagues.

Right. People will leave SY leagues because of their hard cut off to join BY leagues with their hard cutoffs.

9/1 to 7/31 with flex August (I.e. August birthdays bases on actual grade) remains best option. But expect hard cutoff date of 9/1 or 8/1.

Again, what you're calling "9/1 to 7/31 with flex August" is the same thing as "SY+60".

Actually, SY-31 with a side of GY. Expect hard cutoff date of 9/1 or 8/1.

Yep. But the SY +60 guy/crowd is having trouble understanding that 9/1 +60 reaches back to July 2. Whereas, 9/1 to 7/31 with flex August doesn’t reach back beyond Aug 1.

Why not 9/30 or 10/1 +60? Schools cut offs are later than 9/1.

Leagues are trying to stick with 9/1 because they don't want kids a grade up in school playing down a grade in SY.

But you can make 9/1 any date if you have a proof of enrolled grade requirement. This would keep kids a grade up from playing a grade down.

The 9/1 to 7/31 with August kids playing with their grade approach prohibits August kids from playing down and allows all August kids to play with their grade.

It doesn't get rid of all trapped players because some (very few) school districts start in July.

This is why SY+60 which is basically Aug and July playing with their grade using your terminology. (not just Aug)

July parents, your daydream will end at the end of Feb.

And your nightmare will begin if a single date cutoff is defined for SY.

Because it doesn't address trapped players. Which means the same issues will continue to fester + drive players to BY leagues.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would ECNL want to have the continued headache of trap players and have to continue to accommodate and manage them which takes time and money and coaching resources, plus the college recruiting issue when there are still a few kids on the team that are a different grade? Fix the problem completely now and eliminate these lingering issues, using one of the methods discussed here. A blind adherence to an 8/1 or 9/1 date doesn’t facilitate a complete answer to the problem ECNL wants to fix.

You have gone full monorail salesman and should give up the pretense of being unbiased.

You keep describing grade year but ECNL doesn't want grade year, they want school year without exceptions.

Rather than pushing your Scooby Doo plan here "which just might work," you are much, much better off spamming Skip and Christian.

Anymore rubbish and you might need to register as a lobbyist...or Russian bot.

I stopped commenting a while ago.

I'm happy to see that others see the benefits of SY+60 and are advocating for it.

I still prefer BY but SY+60 works as well.

They don't, they aren't.

They are, they do.

You don't because you've already made your mind up and are an ECNL supporter.

No big deal, but when SY continues to cause issues because a hard cutoff was chosen players will flow to BY leagues.

Right. People will leave SY leagues because of their hard cut off to join BY leagues with their hard cutoffs.

9/1 to 7/31 with flex August (I.e. August birthdays bases on actual grade) remains best option. But expect hard cutoff date of 9/1 or 8/1.

Again, what you're calling "9/1 to 7/31 with flex August" is the same thing as "SY+60".

Actually, SY-31 with a side of GY. Expect hard cutoff date of 9/1 or 8/1.

Yep. But the SY +60 guy/crowd is having trouble understanding that 9/1 +60 reaches back to July 2. Whereas, 9/1 to 7/31 with flex August doesn’t reach back beyond Aug 1.

It's +60 because numbnut there actually are school districts who's cutoff date is in July. If your intention is to completely get rid of trapped players you need to include July as well

Conceptually what you're proposing and SY+60 are the same. What's happening is the cutoff for a grade is being spread over a time frame instead of being a single date. This allows multiple school start dates to work together as a league.

No, we get it. I know it’s hard for you to accept, but 1.) you’re not that smart, and 2.) 9/1 to 7/31 with flex August is preferred to SY +60 (for reasons provided throughout the nearly 600 pages of this thread), and 3.) none of it matters because it’s going to be a hard cutoff at 9/1 or 8/1.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would ECNL want to have the continued headache of trap players and have to continue to accommodate and manage them which takes time and money and coaching resources, plus the college recruiting issue when there are still a few kids on the team that are a different grade? Fix the problem completely now and eliminate these lingering issues, using one of the methods discussed here. A blind adherence to an 8/1 or 9/1 date doesn’t facilitate a complete answer to the problem ECNL wants to fix.

You have gone full monorail salesman and should give up the pretense of being unbiased.

You keep describing grade year but ECNL doesn't want grade year, they want school year without exceptions.

Rather than pushing your Scooby Doo plan here "which just might work," you are much, much better off spamming Skip and Christian.

Anymore rubbish and you might need to register as a lobbyist...or Russian bot.

I stopped commenting a while ago.

I'm happy to see that others see the benefits of SY+60 and are advocating for it.

I still prefer BY but SY+60 works as well.

They don't, they aren't.

They are, they do.

You don't because you've already made your mind up and are an ECNL supporter.

No big deal, but when SY continues to cause issues because a hard cutoff was chosen players will flow to BY leagues.

Right. People will leave SY leagues because of their hard cut off to join BY leagues with their hard cutoffs.

9/1 to 7/31 with flex August (I.e. August birthdays bases on actual grade) remains best option. But expect hard cutoff date of 9/1 or 8/1.

Again, what you're calling "9/1 to 7/31 with flex August" is the same thing as "SY+60".

Actually, SY-31 with a side of GY. Expect hard cutoff date of 9/1 or 8/1.

Yep. But the SY +60 guy/crowd is having trouble understanding that 9/1 +60 reaches back to July 2. Whereas, 9/1 to 7/31 with flex August doesn’t reach back beyond Aug 1.

Why not 9/30 or 10/1 +60? Schools cut offs are later than 9/1.

Leagues are trying to stick with 9/1 because they don't want kids a grade up in school playing down a grade in SY.

But you can make 9/1 any date if you have a proof of enrolled grade requirement. This would keep kids a grade up from playing a grade down.

The 9/1 to 7/31 with August kids playing with their grade approach prohibits August kids from playing down and allows all August kids to play with their grade.

It doesn't get rid of all trapped players because some (very few) school districts start in July.

This is why SY+60 which is basically Aug and July playing with their grade using your terminology. (not just Aug)

SY +60 improperly rewards too many kids in other states where July kids are a grade lower than where they should be under the state’s age cutoff. Very few states start in July.

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Yep. SY +60 would enable far more late enrollments and holdbacks throughout the country (the July birthdays who are the oldest in their grades in states where the cutoff is August or September) than trapped July birthdays in the one or two states with July cutoffs.

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I agree that it seems most likely that any flex will be limited to August-born kids. The lead examples in the press release sandwich August. A real advantage of 9/1 to 7/31 and flexing August rather than choosing a strict 8/1 or 9/1 is that all August kids will play with their grade (no one has to play up with the wrong grade as would happen for older August kids with a 9/1 cutoff, and younger August kids don’t have to get club/team permission to play up with their grade as can happen with an 8/1 cutoff).

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Anonymous wrote:Why would ECNL want to have the continued headache of trap players and have to continue to accommodate and manage them which takes time and money and coaching resources, plus the college recruiting issue when there are still a few kids on the team that are a different grade? Fix the problem completely now and eliminate these lingering issues, using one of the methods discussed here. A blind adherence to an 8/1 or 9/1 date doesn’t facilitate a complete answer to the problem ECNL wants to fix.

You have gone full monorail salesman and should give up the pretense of being unbiased.

You keep describing grade year but ECNL doesn't want grade year, they want school year without exceptions.

Rather than pushing your Scooby Doo plan here "which just might work," you are much, much better off spamming Skip and Christian.

Anymore rubbish and you might need to register as a lobbyist...or Russian bot.

I stopped commenting a while ago.

I'm happy to see that others see the benefits of SY+60 and are advocating for it.

I still prefer BY but SY+60 works as well.

They don't, they aren't.

They are, they do.

You don't because you've already made your mind up and are an ECNL supporter.

No big deal, but when SY continues to cause issues because a hard cutoff was chosen players will flow to BY leagues.

Right. People will leave SY leagues because of their hard cut off to join BY leagues with their hard cutoffs.

9/1 to 7/31 with flex August (I.e. August birthdays bases on actual grade) remains best option. But expect hard cutoff date of 9/1 or 8/1.

Again, what you're calling "9/1 to 7/31 with flex August" is the same thing as "SY+60".

Actually, SY-31 with a side of GY. Expect hard cutoff date of 9/1 or 8/1.

Yep. But the SY +60 guy/crowd is having trouble understanding that 9/1 +60 reaches back to July 2. Whereas, 9/1 to 7/31 with flex August doesn’t reach back beyond Aug 1.

Why not 9/30 or 10/1 +60? Schools cut offs are later than 9/1.

Leagues are trying to stick with 9/1 because they don't want kids a grade up in school playing down a grade in SY.

But you can make 9/1 any date if you have a proof of enrolled grade requirement. This would keep kids a grade up from playing a grade down.

The 9/1 to 7/31 with August kids playing with their grade approach prohibits August kids from playing down and allows all August kids to play with their grade.

It doesn't get rid of all trapped players because some (very few) school districts start in July.

This is why SY+60 which is basically Aug and July playing with their grade using your terminology. (not just Aug)

July parents, your daydream will end at the end of Feb.

And your nightmare will begin if a single date cutoff is defined for SY.

Because it doesn't address trapped players. Which means the same issues will continue to fester + drive players to BY leagues.

It definitely addresses trapped players. No one is saying it will completely eliminate trapped players (which is what you’re trying to imply), but there is no dispute that it will significantly decrease the number of trapped players.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would ECNL want to have the continued headache of trap players and have to continue to accommodate and manage them which takes time and money and coaching resources, plus the college recruiting issue when there are still a few kids on the team that are a different grade? Fix the problem completely now and eliminate these lingering issues, using one of the methods discussed here. A blind adherence to an 8/1 or 9/1 date doesn’t facilitate a complete answer to the problem ECNL wants to fix.

You have gone full monorail salesman and should give up the pretense of being unbiased.

You keep describing grade year but ECNL doesn't want grade year, they want school year without exceptions.

Rather than pushing your Scooby Doo plan here "which just might work," you are much, much better off spamming Skip and Christian.

Anymore rubbish and you might need to register as a lobbyist...or Russian bot.

I stopped commenting a while ago.

I'm happy to see that others see the benefits of SY+60 and are advocating for it.

I still prefer BY but SY+60 works as well.

They don't, they aren't.

They are, they do.

You don't because you've already made your mind up and are an ECNL supporter.

No big deal, but when SY continues to cause issues because a hard cutoff was chosen players will flow to BY leagues.

Right. People will leave SY leagues because of their hard cut off to join BY leagues with their hard cutoffs.

9/1 to 7/31 with flex August (I.e. August birthdays bases on actual grade) remains best option. But expect hard cutoff date of 9/1 or 8/1.

Again, what you're calling "9/1 to 7/31 with flex August" is the same thing as "SY+60".

Actually, SY-31 with a side of GY. Expect hard cutoff date of 9/1 or 8/1.

Yep. But the SY +60 guy/crowd is having trouble understanding that 9/1 +60 reaches back to July 2. Whereas, 9/1 to 7/31 with flex August doesn’t reach back beyond Aug 1.

Why not 9/30 or 10/1 +60? Schools cut offs are later than 9/1.

Leagues are trying to stick with 9/1 because they don't want kids a grade up in school playing down a grade in SY.

But you can make 9/1 any date if you have a proof of enrolled grade requirement. This would keep kids a grade up from playing a grade down.

The 9/1 to 7/31 with August kids playing with their grade approach prohibits August kids from playing down and allows all August kids to play with their grade.

It doesn't get rid of all trapped players because some (very few) school districts start in July.

This is why SY+60 which is basically Aug and July playing with their grade using your terminology. (not just Aug)

July parents, your daydream will end at the end of Feb.

And your nightmare will begin if a single date cutoff is defined for SY.

Because it doesn't address trapped players. Which means the same issues will continue to fester + drive players to BY leagues.

It definitely addresses trapped players. No one is saying it will completely eliminate trapped players (which is what you’re trying to imply), but there is no dispute that it will significantly decrease the number of trapped players.

It also invites a lot more creative registering -- at least that's what it's done for lacrosse!

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Anonymous wrote:Yep. SY +60 would enable far more late enrollments and holdbacks throughout the country (the July birthdays who are the oldest in their grades in states where the cutoff is August or September) than trapped July birthdays in the one or two states with July cutoffs.

Nope, not even close.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would ECNL want to have the continued headache of trap players and have to continue to accommodate and manage them which takes time and money and coaching resources, plus the college recruiting issue when there are still a few kids on the team that are a different grade? Fix the problem completely now and eliminate these lingering issues, using one of the methods discussed here. A blind adherence to an 8/1 or 9/1 date doesn’t facilitate a complete answer to the problem ECNL wants to fix.

You have gone full monorail salesman and should give up the pretense of being unbiased.

You keep describing grade year but ECNL doesn't want grade year, they want school year without exceptions.

Rather than pushing your Scooby Doo plan here "which just might work," you are much, much better off spamming Skip and Christian.

Anymore rubbish and you might need to register as a lobbyist...or Russian bot.

I stopped commenting a while ago.

I'm happy to see that others see the benefits of SY+60 and are advocating for it.

I still prefer BY but SY+60 works as well.

They don't, they aren't.

They are, they do.

You don't because you've already made your mind up and are an ECNL supporter.

No big deal, but when SY continues to cause issues because a hard cutoff was chosen players will flow to BY leagues.

Right. People will leave SY leagues because of their hard cut off to join BY leagues with their hard cutoffs.

9/1 to 7/31 with flex August (I.e. August birthdays bases on actual grade) remains best option. But expect hard cutoff date of 9/1 or 8/1.

Again, what you're calling "9/1 to 7/31 with flex August" is the same thing as "SY+60".

Actually, SY-31 with a side of GY. Expect hard cutoff date of 9/1 or 8/1.

Yep. But the SY +60 guy/crowd is having trouble understanding that 9/1 +60 reaches back to July 2. Whereas, 9/1 to 7/31 with flex August doesn’t reach back beyond Aug 1.

Why not 9/30 or 10/1 +60? Schools cut offs are later than 9/1.

Leagues are trying to stick with 9/1 because they don't want kids a grade up in school playing down a grade in SY.

But you can make 9/1 any date if you have a proof of enrolled grade requirement. This would keep kids a grade up from playing a grade down.

The 9/1 to 7/31 with August kids playing with their grade approach prohibits August kids from playing down and allows all August kids to play with their grade.

It doesn't get rid of all trapped players because some (very few) school districts start in July.

This is why SY+60 which is basically Aug and July playing with their grade using your terminology. (not just Aug)

SY +60 improperly rewards too many kids in other states where July kids are a grade lower than where they should be under the state’s age cutoff. Very few states start in July.

2 months!

What an amazing complainer.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would ECNL want to have the continued headache of trap players and have to continue to accommodate and manage them which takes time and money and coaching resources, plus the college recruiting issue when there are still a few kids on the team that are a different grade? Fix the problem completely now and eliminate these lingering issues, using one of the methods discussed here. A blind adherence to an 8/1 or 9/1 date doesn’t facilitate a complete answer to the problem ECNL wants to fix.

You have gone full monorail salesman and should give up the pretense of being unbiased.

You keep describing grade year but ECNL doesn't want grade year, they want school year without exceptions.

Rather than pushing your Scooby Doo plan here "which just might work," you are much, much better off spamming Skip and Christian.

Anymore rubbish and you might need to register as a lobbyist...or Russian bot.

I stopped commenting a while ago.

I'm happy to see that others see the benefits of SY+60 and are advocating for it.

I still prefer BY but SY+60 works as well.

They don't, they aren't.

They are, they do.

You don't because you've already made your mind up and are an ECNL supporter.

No big deal, but when SY continues to cause issues because a hard cutoff was chosen players will flow to BY leagues.

Right. People will leave SY leagues because of their hard cut off to join BY leagues with their hard cutoffs.

9/1 to 7/31 with flex August (I.e. August birthdays bases on actual grade) remains best option. But expect hard cutoff date of 9/1 or 8/1.

Again, what you're calling "9/1 to 7/31 with flex August" is the same thing as "SY+60".

Actually, SY-31 with a side of GY. Expect hard cutoff date of 9/1 or 8/1.

Yep. But the SY +60 guy/crowd is having trouble understanding that 9/1 +60 reaches back to July 2. Whereas, 9/1 to 7/31 with flex August doesn’t reach back beyond Aug 1.

It's +60 because numbnut there actually are school districts who's cutoff date is in July. If your intention is to completely get rid of trapped players you need to include July as well

Conceptually what you're proposing and SY+60 are the same. What's happening is the cutoff for a grade is being spread over a time frame instead of being a single date. This allows multiple school start dates to work together as a league.

No, we get it. I know it’s hard for you to accept, but 1.) you’re not that smart, and 2.) 9/1 to 7/31 with flex August is preferred to SY +60 (for reasons provided throughout the nearly 600 pages of this thread), and 3.) none of it matters because it’s going to be a hard cutoff at 9/1 or 8/1.

No I don't think you do get it.

But what's OK, ECNLs SY implementation will not succeed if they choose a single cutoff date.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would ECNL want to have the continued headache of trap players and have to continue to accommodate and manage them which takes time and money and coaching resources, plus the college recruiting issue when there are still a few kids on the team that are a different grade? Fix the problem completely now and eliminate these lingering issues, using one of the methods discussed here. A blind adherence to an 8/1 or 9/1 date doesn’t facilitate a complete answer to the problem ECNL wants to fix.

You have gone full monorail salesman and should give up the pretense of being unbiased.

You keep describing grade year but ECNL doesn't want grade year, they want school year without exceptions.

Rather than pushing your Scooby Doo plan here "which just might work," you are much, much better off spamming Skip and Christian.

Anymore rubbish and you might need to register as a lobbyist...or Russian bot.

I stopped commenting a while ago.

I'm happy to see that others see the benefits of SY+60 and are advocating for it.

I still prefer BY but SY+60 works as well.

They don't, they aren't.

They are, they do.

You don't because you've already made your mind up and are an ECNL supporter.

No big deal, but when SY continues to cause issues because a hard cutoff was chosen players will flow to BY leagues.

Right. People will leave SY leagues because of their hard cut off to join BY leagues with their hard cutoffs.

9/1 to 7/31 with flex August (I.e. August birthdays bases on actual grade) remains best option. But expect hard cutoff date of 9/1 or 8/1.

Again, what you're calling "9/1 to 7/31 with flex August" is the same thing as "SY+60".

Actually, SY-31 with a side of GY. Expect hard cutoff date of 9/1 or 8/1.

Yep. But the SY +60 guy/crowd is having trouble understanding that 9/1 +60 reaches back to July 2. Whereas, 9/1 to 7/31 with flex August doesn’t reach back beyond Aug 1.

It's +60 because numbnut there actually are school districts who's cutoff date is in July. If your intention is to completely get rid of trapped players you need to include July as well

Conceptually what you're proposing and SY+60 are the same. What's happening is the cutoff for a grade is being spread over a time frame instead of being a single date. This allows multiple school start dates to work together as a league.

No, we get it. I know it’s hard for you to accept, but 1.) you’re not that smart, and 2.) 9/1 to 7/31 with flex August is preferred to SY +60 (for reasons provided throughout the nearly 600 pages of this thread), and 3.) none of it matters because it’s going to be a hard cutoff at 9/1 or 8/1.

No I don't think you do get it.

But what's OK, ECNLs SY implementation will not succeed if they choose a single cutoff date.

Nostradumbas with a prediction here.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would ECNL want to have the continued headache of trap players and have to continue to accommodate and manage them which takes time and money and coaching resources, plus the college recruiting issue when there are still a few kids on the team that are a different grade? Fix the problem completely now and eliminate these lingering issues, using one of the methods discussed here. A blind adherence to an 8/1 or 9/1 date doesn’t facilitate a complete answer to the problem ECNL wants to fix.

You have gone full monorail salesman and should give up the pretense of being unbiased.

You keep describing grade year but ECNL doesn't want grade year, they want school year without exceptions.

Rather than pushing your Scooby Doo plan here "which just might work," you are much, much better off spamming Skip and Christian.

Anymore rubbish and you might need to register as a lobbyist...or Russian bot.

I stopped commenting a while ago.

I'm happy to see that others see the benefits of SY+60 and are advocating for it.

I still prefer BY but SY+60 works as well.

They don't, they aren't.

They are, they do.

You don't because you've already made your mind up and are an ECNL supporter.

No big deal, but when SY continues to cause issues because a hard cutoff was chosen players will flow to BY leagues.

Right. People will leave SY leagues because of their hard cut off to join BY leagues with their hard cutoffs.

9/1 to 7/31 with flex August (I.e. August birthdays bases on actual grade) remains best option. But expect hard cutoff date of 9/1 or 8/1.

Again, what you're calling "9/1 to 7/31 with flex August" is the same thing as "SY+60".

Actually, SY-31 with a side of GY. Expect hard cutoff date of 9/1 or 8/1.

Yep. But the SY +60 guy/crowd is having trouble understanding that 9/1 +60 reaches back to July 2. Whereas, 9/1 to 7/31 with flex August doesn’t reach back beyond Aug 1.

Why not 9/30 or 10/1 +60? Schools cut offs are later than 9/1.

Leagues are trying to stick with 9/1 because they don't want kids a grade up in school playing down a grade in SY.

But you can make 9/1 any date if you have a proof of enrolled grade requirement. This would keep kids a grade up from playing a grade down.

The 9/1 to 7/31 with August kids playing with their grade approach prohibits August kids from playing down and allows all August kids to play with their grade.

It doesn't get rid of all trapped players because some (very few) school districts start in July.

This is why SY+60 which is basically Aug and July playing with their grade using your terminology. (not just Aug)

SY +60 improperly rewards too many kids in other states where July kids are a grade lower than where they should be under the state’s age cutoff. Very few states start in July.

2 months!

What an amazing complainer.

Love when a guy crying about +60 days says that others are the ones crying about only 2 months. If 2 months isn’t a big deal smart guy, then let go of your crazy dream of SY +60. Leave it at a hard cutoff and quit complaining about +60.

Such an ignorant hypocrite.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would ECNL want to have the continued headache of trap players and have to continue to accommodate and manage them which takes time and money and coaching resources, plus the college recruiting issue when there are still a few kids on the team that are a different grade? Fix the problem completely now and eliminate these lingering issues, using one of the methods discussed here. A blind adherence to an 8/1 or 9/1 date doesn’t facilitate a complete answer to the problem ECNL wants to fix.

You have gone full monorail salesman and should give up the pretense of being unbiased.

You keep describing grade year but ECNL doesn't want grade year, they want school year without exceptions.

Rather than pushing your Scooby Doo plan here "which just might work," you are much, much better off spamming Skip and Christian.

Anymore rubbish and you might need to register as a lobbyist...or Russian bot.

I stopped commenting a while ago.

I'm happy to see that others see the benefits of SY+60 and are advocating for it.

I still prefer BY but SY+60 works as well.

They don't, they aren't.

They are, they do.

You don't because you've already made your mind up and are an ECNL supporter.

No big deal, but when SY continues to cause issues because a hard cutoff was chosen players will flow to BY leagues.

Right. People will leave SY leagues because of their hard cut off to join BY leagues with their hard cutoffs.

9/1 to 7/31 with flex August (I.e. August birthdays bases on actual grade) remains best option. But expect hard cutoff date of 9/1 or 8/1.

Again, what you're calling "9/1 to 7/31 with flex August" is the same thing as "SY+60".

Actually, SY-31 with a side of GY. Expect hard cutoff date of 9/1 or 8/1.

Yep. But the SY +60 guy/crowd is having trouble understanding that 9/1 +60 reaches back to July 2. Whereas, 9/1 to 7/31 with flex August doesn’t reach back beyond Aug 1.

It's +60 because numbnut there actually are school districts who's cutoff date is in July. If your intention is to completely get rid of trapped players you need to include July as well

Conceptually what you're proposing and SY+60 are the same. What's happening is the cutoff for a grade is being spread over a time frame instead of being a single date. This allows multiple school start dates to work together as a league.

No, we get it. I know it’s hard for you to accept, but 1.) you’re not that smart, and 2.) 9/1 to 7/31 with flex August is preferred to SY +60 (for reasons provided throughout the nearly 600 pages of this thread), and 3.) none of it matters because it’s going to be a hard cutoff at 9/1 or 8/1.

No I don't think you do get it.

But what's OK, ECNLs SY implementation will not succeed if they choose a single cutoff date.

No, we get it. Hard cutoff, SY isn't scaring away the masses.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would ECNL want to have the continued headache of trap players and have to continue to accommodate and manage them which takes time and money and coaching resources, plus the college recruiting issue when there are still a few kids on the team that are a different grade? Fix the problem completely now and eliminate these lingering issues, using one of the methods discussed here. A blind adherence to an 8/1 or 9/1 date doesn’t facilitate a complete answer to the problem ECNL wants to fix.

You have gone full monorail salesman and should give up the pretense of being unbiased.

You keep describing grade year but ECNL doesn't want grade year, they want school year without exceptions.

Rather than pushing your Scooby Doo plan here "which just might work," you are much, much better off spamming Skip and Christian.

Anymore rubbish and you might need to register as a lobbyist...or Russian bot.

I stopped commenting a while ago.

I'm happy to see that others see the benefits of SY+60 and are advocating for it.

I still prefer BY but SY+60 works as well.

They don't, they aren't.

They are, they do.

You don't because you've already made your mind up and are an ECNL supporter.

No big deal, but when SY continues to cause issues because a hard cutoff was chosen players will flow to BY leagues.

Right. People will leave SY leagues because of their hard cut off to join BY leagues with their hard cutoffs.

9/1 to 7/31 with flex August (I.e. August birthdays bases on actual grade) remains best option. But expect hard cutoff date of 9/1 or 8/1.

Again, what you're calling "9/1 to 7/31 with flex August" is the same thing as "SY+60".

Actually, SY-31 with a side of GY. Expect hard cutoff date of 9/1 or 8/1.

Yep. But the SY +60 guy/crowd is having trouble understanding that 9/1 +60 reaches back to July 2. Whereas, 9/1 to 7/31 with flex August doesn’t reach back beyond Aug 1.

Why not 9/30 or 10/1 +60? Schools cut offs are later than 9/1.

Leagues are trying to stick with 9/1 because they don't want kids a grade up in school playing down a grade in SY.

But you can make 9/1 any date if you have a proof of enrolled grade requirement. This would keep kids a grade up from playing a grade down.

The 9/1 to 7/31 with August kids playing with their grade approach prohibits August kids from playing down and allows all August kids to play with their grade.

It doesn't get rid of all trapped players because some (very few) school districts start in July.

This is why SY+60 which is basically Aug and July playing with their grade using your terminology. (not just Aug)

SY +60 improperly rewards too many kids in other states where July kids are a grade lower than where they should be under the state’s age cutoff. Very few states start in July.

2 months!

What an amazing complainer.

Wait, did the guy who’s been whining about needing to add 60 days to the SY deadline just tell someone else to stop complaining about 2 months?!?! Wow, talk about a complete lack of self awareness by the SY +60 nut.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would ECNL want to have the continued headache of trap players and have to continue to accommodate and manage them which takes time and money and coaching resources, plus the college recruiting issue when there are still a few kids on the team that are a different grade? Fix the problem completely now and eliminate these lingering issues, using one of the methods discussed here. A blind adherence to an 8/1 or 9/1 date doesn’t facilitate a complete answer to the problem ECNL wants to fix.

You have gone full monorail salesman and should give up the pretense of being unbiased.

You keep describing grade year but ECNL doesn't want grade year, they want school year without exceptions.

Rather than pushing your Scooby Doo plan here "which just might work," you are much, much better off spamming Skip and Christian.

Anymore rubbish and you might need to register as a lobbyist...or Russian bot.

I stopped commenting a while ago.

I'm happy to see that others see the benefits of SY+60 and are advocating for it.

I still prefer BY but SY+60 works as well.

They don't, they aren't.

They are, they do.

You don't because you've already made your mind up and are an ECNL supporter.

No big deal, but when SY continues to cause issues because a hard cutoff was chosen players will flow to BY leagues.

Right. People will leave SY leagues because of their hard cut off to join BY leagues with their hard cutoffs.

9/1 to 7/31 with flex August (I.e. August birthdays bases on actual grade) remains best option. But expect hard cutoff date of 9/1 or 8/1.

Again, what you're calling "9/1 to 7/31 with flex August" is the same thing as "SY+60".

Actually, SY-31 with a side of GY. Expect hard cutoff date of 9/1 or 8/1.

Yep. But the SY +60 guy/crowd is having trouble understanding that 9/1 +60 reaches back to July 2. Whereas, 9/1 to 7/31 with flex August doesn’t reach back beyond Aug 1.

Why not 9/30 or 10/1 +60? Schools cut offs are later than 9/1.

Leagues are trying to stick with 9/1 because they don't want kids a grade up in school playing down a grade in SY.

But you can make 9/1 any date if you have a proof of enrolled grade requirement. This would keep kids a grade up from playing a grade down.

The 9/1 to 7/31 with August kids playing with their grade approach prohibits August kids from playing down and allows all August kids to play with their grade.

It doesn't get rid of all trapped players because some (very few) school districts start in July.

This is why SY+60 which is basically Aug and July playing with their grade using your terminology. (not just Aug)

SY +60 improperly rewards too many kids in other states where July kids are a grade lower than where they should be under the state’s age cutoff. Very few states start in July.

2 months!

What an amazing complainer.

Wait, did the guy who’s been whining about needing to add 60 days to the SY deadline just tell someone else to stop complaining about 2 months?!?! Wow, talk about a complete lack of self awareness by the SY +60 nut.

2 months, this is what you're worried about.