Which Dem can win general election in 2020?

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Anonymous wrote:Amy Klobuchar. It has to be someone who acknowledges immigration is a problem, and is willing to do something to fix it. As a moderate Dem, I totally agree that most of the candidates are advocating for functionally open borders, though they're smart enough not to use the term. And it's concerning and not in step with what most of the country wants, clearly.

The country is declining in population without counting immigration. We need immigrants to fill the positions vacated by baby boomers. Without immigration US will be stuck with a stagnating or declining economy like much of europe and japan as their population are declining.

So we need "breeders" is what you're saying.

Maybe you count you and your family as breeders. Because historically immigrants are more hard working, smart, educated and high achievers. I didn't say let anyone come in. Let us make immigration merit based and welcoming to all people so the country is vibrant. We need to compensate for the the dead weight, entitled native born who won't move to new and better jobs or retrain or educate themselves to compete in knowledge economy.

This country is now driven by smart, educated Asian immigrants. They are the professionals who are creating new companies, doctors, engineers, scientists and innovators. We need more of the same. Maybe they would be role models for the lazy native born Americans.

This country is driven by a small group of people that is almost entirely white, male, and native born. Saying otherwise is hilariously wrong. 'Asian immigrants' or immigrants from other regions are here in no small measure due to the immiseration of vast swathes of the native born population (including blacks and other minorities) and the foreign policy/natsec policies, undertaken to serve that small group of mostly white men, that disadvantage many native-born Americans AND force many immigrants to leave their country of birth. Address these concerns and you'll be closer to winning in 2020. Continue on this same line of Democratic Party nonsense, a line that is symbiotic with the anti-immigrant nonsense, and things won't work out nearly so well for the Democrats.

Apparently you have never stepped recently into ANY American universities in STEM (a big chuink are asian and immigrant profs and majority students are asians too) or a tech company (many upper management and pretty much at level are asians) . I am not against Asians, I am just telling a simple fact that without Asian immigrants the tech boom would not have happened.

Now the same tech boom is happening in China and India, both of them are attracting more and more VC funds. We should be a country that should get talent by any means possible here AND BUILD AN OPPORTUNITY WALL that they can't cross over and get back to Asia. China is already the leader in Web 2.0, AI and analytics BECAUSE they have data galore and they are harnessing it and learning and improvising much faster than we are.

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Anonymous wrote:Amy Klobuchar. It has to be someone who acknowledges immigration is a problem, and is willing to do something to fix it. As a moderate Dem, I totally agree that most of the candidates are advocating for functionally open borders, though they're smart enough not to use the term. And it's concerning and not in step with what most of the country wants, clearly.

The country is declining in population without counting immigration. We need immigrants to fill the positions vacated by baby boomers. Without immigration US will be stuck with a stagnating or declining economy like much of europe and japan as their population are declining.

I'm the PP you're responding to. I'm not stupid. I understand that some level of (legal, orderly) immigration is needed and I'm all for it - my parents are immigrants. But conflating legal immigration with what's going on at the border with Central American migrants is a problem, and that's what's going to be a big issue for the Democratic candidate in 2020.

People walking up to the border and requesting asylum (or surrendering to CBP) because they want to escape gang violence, domestic violence, or poverty should not be considered legal immigration and frankly, shouldn't be admitted. It's not racist or bad to say that prospective immigrants to the US should apply through existing channels. But Democrats are refusing to say this aloud, much less offer any policies that genuinely address the issue, which is clearly of concern to many, many voters. And not providing a reasonable alternative to Trump is going to get him reelected, which is going to lead to even more humanitarian issues and horrible things like children being put in cages, people dying from lack of medical care, etc. The Democrats need to acknowledge that this is a problem and offer a solution besides "let them all in," because that's not going to fly with the voters they need to win the election, i.e. moderates in swing states.

The GOP doesn't want to pass comprehensive immigration bill and they scuttled it twice already once during W's presidency and another time during O's presidency. Now the conman would rather rile up his frothing base and play white identity politics and actually win rather than lose by 3 million votes. But the issue is the GOP has won the popular vote just once since 1988 and Americans are simply not with the fraud trickle down party which gives tax cut after tax cut for the wealthy while cutting education, healthcare and infrastructure budget that screws their base. But they get the base to vote by playing white identity politics. This fraud can't go on endlessly.

Conman started with 3 million fewer votes and now has lost even more. His approval is negative in the midwest states he won and NC, AZ etc. He has driven away even more minorities, women and educated people. He is not trying to expand his base, so he is likely gonna lose and his fraud and lies will eventually catch and goes down as the worst president ever.

The fact that Trump got 3 million fewer votes than HRC is a complete diversion from the real focus here, which is that the general election is and will continue to be determined by the EC. I hate it too, but it doesn't change the facts. Which means that the voters that a Dem candidate has to win over are moderate (white) voters in Ohio, Florida, and Pennsylvania. And even if Dems want to expand their base instead of trying to attract moderate/formerly Republican voters, I don't think saying things like "ABOLISH ICE" or trying to frame sensible immigration controls as "white identity politics" is going to work. I'm a minority and a faithful Democratic voter, and find that position to be a total turn off. I am sincerely hoping that whoever survives this primary will be smarter than that. And despite all the vile things Trump has done, he has succeeded in making immigration a huge wedge issue. Plenty of people will hold their noses and vote for him on that alone if we don't offer a reasonable alternative.

I'm not sure what reasonable alternative can be actually passed, because obviously the GOP has never cooperated on this issue and are now fixated on the wall, and I'm not an immigration policy expert. But it starts with the Democrats actually taking a sensible position and actually acknowledging that we need to stop the flow at the border.

White Identity politics is WINKING and Dog whistling and calling white racist supremacists and Anti-Fascists as same. You can't get away with blatant racism like that.

White Identity politics is railing up NON-Existent brown people are taking over your jobs when unemployment is low.

White Identity politics is picking the pocket of the poor, uneducated whites by denying them good education, better healthcare(while the suicide rate and drug ODs are way up) BUT making them froth at the mouth by blaming the "OTHERS" and "NON WHITES".

White Identity politics is giving tax cuts to the rich and corporations, provide the white middle class pittance and claim they got the biggest tax cuts WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY cutting down other benefits.

TRUMP and the GOP Fraud party cant keep on winning just by EC alone because math can't be beaten all the time.

Holy smokes, word salad. Please learn to write.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Amy Klobuchar. It has to be someone who acknowledges immigration is a problem, and is willing to do something to fix it. As a moderate Dem, I totally agree that most of the candidates are advocating for functionally open borders, though they're smart enough not to use the term. And it's concerning and not in step with what most of the country wants, clearly.

The country is declining in population without counting immigration. We need immigrants to fill the positions vacated by baby boomers. Without immigration US will be stuck with a stagnating or declining economy like much of europe and japan as their population are declining.

I'm the PP you're responding to. I'm not stupid. I understand that some level of (legal, orderly) immigration is needed and I'm all for it - my parents are immigrants. But conflating legal immigration with what's going on at the border with Central American migrants is a problem, and that's what's going to be a big issue for the Democratic candidate in 2020.

People walking up to the border and requesting asylum (or surrendering to CBP) because they want to escape gang violence, domestic violence, or poverty should not be considered legal immigration and frankly, shouldn't be admitted. It's not racist or bad to say that prospective immigrants to the US should apply through existing channels. But Democrats are refusing to say this aloud, much less offer any policies that genuinely address the issue, which is clearly of concern to many, many voters. And not providing a reasonable alternative to Trump is going to get him reelected, which is going to lead to even more humanitarian issues and horrible things like children being put in cages, people dying from lack of medical care, etc. The Democrats need to acknowledge that this is a problem and offer a solution besides "let them all in," because that's not going to fly with the voters they need to win the election, i.e. moderates in swing states.

The GOP doesn't want to pass comprehensive immigration bill and they scuttled it twice already once during W's presidency and another time during O's presidency. Now the conman would rather rile up his frothing base and play white identity politics and actually win rather than lose by 3 million votes. But the issue is the GOP has won the popular vote just once since 1988 and Americans are simply not with the fraud trickle down party which gives tax cut after tax cut for the wealthy while cutting education, healthcare and infrastructure budget that screws their base. But they get the base to vote by playing white identity politics. This fraud can't go on endlessly.

Conman started with 3 million fewer votes and now has lost even more. His approval is negative in the midwest states he won and NC, AZ etc. He has driven away even more minorities, women and educated people. He is not trying to expand his base, so he is likely gonna lose and his fraud and lies will eventually catch and goes down as the worst president ever.

The fact that Trump got 3 million fewer votes than HRC is a complete diversion from the real focus here, which is that the general election is and will continue to be determined by the EC. I hate it too, but it doesn't change the facts. Which means that the voters that a Dem candidate has to win over are moderate (white) voters in Ohio, Florida, and Pennsylvania. And even if Dems want to expand their base instead of trying to attract moderate/formerly Republican voters, I don't think saying things like "ABOLISH ICE" or trying to frame sensible immigration controls as "white identity politics" is going to work. I'm a minority and a faithful Democratic voter, and find that position to be a total turn off. I am sincerely hoping that whoever survives this primary will be smarter than that. And despite all the vile things Trump has done, he has succeeded in making immigration a huge wedge issue. Plenty of people will hold their noses and vote for him on that alone if we don't offer a reasonable alternative.

I'm not sure what reasonable alternative can be actually passed, because obviously the GOP has never cooperated on this issue and are now fixated on the wall, and I'm not an immigration policy expert. But it starts with the Democrats actually taking a sensible position and actually acknowledging that we need to stop the flow at the border.

White Identity politics is WINKING and Dog whistling and calling white racist supremacists and Anti-Fascists as same. You can't get away with blatant racism like that.

White Identity politics is railing up NON-Existent brown people are taking over your jobs when unemployment is low.

White Identity politics is picking the pocket of the poor, uneducated whites by denying them good education, better healthcare(while the suicide rate and drug ODs are way up) BUT making them froth at the mouth by blaming the "OTHERS" and "NON WHITES".

White Identity politics is giving tax cuts to the rich and corporations, provide the white middle class pittance and claim they got the biggest tax cuts WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY cutting down other benefits.

TRUMP and the GOP Fraud party cant keep on winning just by EC alone because math can't be beaten all the time.

Holy smokes, word salad. Please learn to write.

Not PP. But the issue seems to your LACK of Reading Comprehension skills. Most likely you just don't want to accept the truth posted.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let's see after the recession hits and hits hard!

You are pathetic, wishing the worst for your own country.

Signed,

Immigrant

And, you are the woefully ignorant. A recession is coming by the fall of 2019.

Natural born citizen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's see after the recession hits and hits hard!

You are pathetic, wishing the worst for your own country.

Signed,

Immigrant

And, you are the woefully ignorant. A recession is coming by the fall of 2019.

Natural born citizen.

You've been saying the same since 2016, moron.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Amy Klobuchar. It has to be someone who acknowledges immigration is a problem, and is willing to do something to fix it. As a moderate Dem, I totally agree that most of the candidates are advocating for functionally open borders, though they're smart enough not to use the term. And it's concerning and not in step with what most of the country wants, clearly.

The country is declining in population without counting immigration. We need immigrants to fill the positions vacated by baby boomers. Without immigration US will be stuck with a stagnating or declining economy like much of europe and japan as their population are declining.

So we need "breeders" is what you're saying.

Maybe you count you and your family as breeders. Because historically immigrants are more hard working, smart, educated and high achievers. I didn't say let anyone come in. Let us make immigration merit based and welcoming to all people so the country is vibrant. We need to compensate for the the dead weight, entitled native born who won't move to new and better jobs or retrain or educate themselves to compete in knowledge economy.

This country is now driven by smart, educated Asian immigrants. They are the professionals who are creating new companies, doctors, engineers, scientists and innovators. We need more of the same. Maybe they would be role models for the lazy native born Americans.

This country is driven by a small group of people that is almost entirely white, male, and native born. Saying otherwise is hilariously wrong. 'Asian immigrants' or immigrants from other regions are here in no small measure due to the immiseration of vast swathes of the native born population (including blacks and other minorities) and the foreign policy/natsec policies, undertaken to serve that small group of mostly white men, that disadvantage many native-born Americans AND force many immigrants to leave their country of birth. Address these concerns and you'll be closer to winning in 2020. Continue on this same line of Democratic Party nonsense, a line that is symbiotic with the anti-immigrant nonsense, and things won't work out nearly so well for the Democrats.

Apparently you have never stepped recently into ANY American universities in STEM (a big chuink are asian and immigrant profs and majority students are asians too) or a tech company (many upper management and pretty much at level are asians) . I am not against Asians, I am just telling a simple fact that without Asian immigrants the tech boom would not have happened.

Now the same tech boom is happening in China and India, both of them are attracting more and more VC funds. We should be a country that should get talent by any means possible here AND BUILD AN OPPORTUNITY WALL that they can't cross over and get back to Asia. China is already the leader in Web 2.0, AI and analytics BECAUSE they have data galore and they are harnessing it and learning and improvising much faster than we are.

China has harnessed taking American university spots from Americans. This has GOT to STOP.

Let's be honest here.

Actually it is Indians who are bigger in numbers in STEM than the chinese. They worship education, work very hard, win math olympiads and Spelling bees for decades. What are your achievements? I bet you don't have a college degree. Educated people don't make crude assertions. They are more nuanced.

Now are you gonna say, India has harnessed taking American university spots from Americans. As long as there are people like you, America will surely decline. We are better off with smarter immigrants to keep the country flying high.

[Anonymous]

Any Democrat not named Hillary and wins the dem primary will take down the conman president who is hated by the majority of the country and over 50% swears they won't vote for him. Afterall the man has never had over 45% average approval. And his approval has declined in every single state since jan 2017.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Any Democrat not named Hillary and wins the dem primary will take down the conman president who is hated by the majority of the country and over 50% swears they won't vote for him. Afterall the man has never had over 45% average approval. And his approval has declined in every single state since jan 2017.

Democratic candidate Andrew Yang is gaining support from the progressives, liberals, conservatives, independents, libertarians and minority voters and even former Trump supporters with his innovative ideas. Yang may be the best Democratic candidate to beat Trump in the general election if he can get through the nomination process.

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Anonymous wrote:Any Democrat not named Hillary and wins the dem primary will take down the conman president who is hated by the majority of the country and over 50% swears they won't vote for him. Afterall the man has never had over 45% average approval. And his approval has declined in every single state since jan 2017.

Good luck on that theory.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Any Democrat not named Hillary and wins the dem primary will take down the conman president who is hated by the majority of the country and over 50% swears they won't vote for him. Afterall the man has never had over 45% average approval. And his approval has declined in every single state since jan 2017.

Good luck on that theory.

What theory do you have? The party of white identity politics that has won the popular vote just once(by one state) in over 30 years, run by a con man whose favorability is below 40% and lost by 3 million in 2016 really is not the party in pink of health. Since then the conman has driven out even more women, minorities and college educated as can be seen in the 2018 wipe out while dems won by over 9% margin.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's see after the recession hits and hits hard!

You are pathetic, wishing the worst for your own country.

Signed,

Immigrant

And, you are the woefully ignorant. A recession is coming by the fall of 2019.

Natural born citizen.

You've been saying the same since 2016, moron.

Nope. Different moron. I just started saying it because it's true

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's see after the recession hits and hits hard!

You are pathetic, wishing the worst for your own country.

Signed,

Immigrant

And, you are the woefully ignorant. A recession is coming by the fall of 2019.

Natural born citizen.

You've been saying the same since 2016, moron.

Nope. Different moron. I just started saying it because it's true

The boy who cried wolf lost all credibility by the third time...and you and others have been crying wolf a hundred times so...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Let's see after the recession hits and hits hard!

You are pathetic, wishing the worst for your own country.

Signed,

Immigrant

And, you are the woefully ignorant. A recession is coming by the fall of 2019.

Natural born citizen.

You've been saying the same since 2016, moron.

Nope. Different moron. I just started saying it because it's true

The boy who cried wolf lost all credibility by the third time...and you and others have been crying wolf a hundred times so...

In this case, the people crying wolf will eventually be right unless you say the US will never have another recession, ever? Are you? The country is due for another slowdown and will happen sooner than later.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any Democrat not named Hillary and wins the dem primary will take down the conman president who is hated by the majority of the country and over 50% swears they won't vote for him. Afterall the man has never had over 45% average approval. And his approval has declined in every single state since jan 2017.

Good luck on that theory.

What theory do you have? The party of white identity politics that has won the popular vote just once(by one state) in over 30 years, run by a con man whose favorability is below 40% and lost by 3 million in 2016 really is not the party in pink of health. Since then the conman has driven out even more women, minorities and college educated as can be seen in the 2018 wipe out while dems won by over 9% margin.

Getting hung up on the popular vote costs the Democrats. A surfeit of votes in a few areas doesn't change policy. Broad appeal, where wining happens in many different states and congressional districts, opens the door to real change. This, of course, will mean not just a realignment of the country, but of the Democratic Party. That fact is the real stumbling block.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Any Democrat not named Hillary and wins the dem primary will take down the conman president who is hated by the majority of the country and over 50% swears they won't vote for him. Afterall the man has never had over 45% average approval. And his approval has declined in every single state since jan 2017.

Good luck on that theory.

What theory do you have? The party of white identity politics that has won the popular vote just once(by one state) in over 30 years, run by a con man whose favorability is below 40% and lost by 3 million in 2016 really is not the party in pink of health. Since then the conman has driven out even more women, minorities and college educated as can be seen in the 2018 wipe out while dems won by over 9% margin.

Getting hung up on the popular vote costs the Democrats. A surfeit of votes in a few areas doesn't change policy. Broad appeal, where wining happens in many different states and congressional districts, opens the door to real change. This, of course, will mean not just a realignment of the country, but of the Democratic Party. That fact is the real stumbling block.

agree

Regarding broad appeal, the Ds need to get it together if they want to find a strong candidate to rival Trump. It's not about individuals and "identity politics groups." It's about a strong union standing firm to support a philosophy that's not divisive and uber PC.

I'm not sure the Ds are better off three years later. Factions are dangerous b/c people supposedly on the same side are now fighting.

Say what you will of the Rs, but stagnant waters have proven to be a reliable constant.