Taylor's Swift's new album - let's GOOOOO

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Anonymous wrote:They have zero chemistry and that’s confirmed with this much hyped Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz album. Either they’re both closeted gay in a lavender thing and/or this is a long con to milk flyover country rubes.

Only here could someone decide weather another relationship has chemistry.

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If you're even in D.C., the most over-educated city in America, who do you know under age 45 who literally never went to college? If you're a white collar professional who grew up even somewhat privileged in the 80s and 90s, you don't know or even associate with anyone who doesn't have at least a bachelor's degree. Swift is a public school lifer who has never taken one college course -- and it shows in her shallow as a soda cap music.

What makes her intelligent? Money? Come on. I've never heard her discuss how well read she is. Because she is not an intellectual, she's a very online pseud imbecile who POSTURES as some sort of intellectual poet. Her songs on this album are so juvenile, it's as if a teenager wrote this babble. There's no there there because she's simply not very bright. She is like a 36 year old rube who won the lottery.

She and the football schmendrick are a match intellectually. They will be happy together. Ignorance is bliss.

Dp not that I disagree with what you wrote. But it's almost as if you're just now discovering all that you worry about her now .

One can hope an artist will evolve and mature over time, especially one who tries to force this tortured poet intellectual vibe. She hasn't. 36 is just way too old to still be this stunted and tumblr-brained and that's why this album is such an embarrassing flop.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why people don’t believe her relationship with a football jock. She’s basically super rich and pretentious trailer trash. She’s a millennial who never went to college—that’s unheard of in UMC orbits. She’s a terminally online tumblr/redditor and beyond immature for her age. Her best friend is another mean girl pretentious moron who never went to college in Blake Lively. She’s dated a series of actors, who are notoriously stupid. Travis seems like an intellectual match. She prob gets off on the fact that Travis so dumb he makes her, an uneducated midwit, feel smart.

She’s not in your umc orbit weirdo! You won’t get the chance to sneer at her and have her know about it. She’s in a totally different stratosphere.

plus a million

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor is filthy rich but an extremely basic dimwitted boring and uneducated American gal. That "boring" jab must have cut her so deep. She has always tried to surround herself with edgy art scene creatives and Euros and tries to masquerade as this creative erudite poet. To pretend she's content with some idiot American football jock and his flyover prole family is laughable. That's why every time she's with him, his family, and/or his social circle she's got booze in her hand. She's miserable af.

Oh that “boring” moniker smarts like a MFer. Taylor singing about on Matty “The smallest man who ever lived”:

“You said normal girls were boring, but you were gone by the morning”

Then it dawns on Taylor that he and his friends like Charli, George were actually talking about her:

“I hear you call me Boring Barbie when the cokes got you brave” - Actually Romantic

Then Charli sets up Matt with her BFF Gabriette the second Taylor is ghosted.

This Matty rejection on the heals of Joe refusing to marry her. Taylor’s humiliated and pissed so she goes for the first desperate climber guy who gives her public adoration even though she’s not into him and she knows secretly she’s not his type either but he’s running cover for her humiliation.

And that’s how we got this fake ass album. It’s straight PR for TTPD and to shove it in Matty’s face after so publicly pining for him when he thinks she is a joke. That’s why this album came out so fast and why it’s so rushed and awful.

+1. It was cringe at the New Heights podcast when Taylor caressed Travis’ face and tried to convince us how handsome he is (basically every time he came across as an idiot). They have zero chemistry. Unfortunately for her, she has promoted this relationship so hard that at this point she has no other choice but to marry him, unless something dramatic happens, e.g. Matty decides that he wants her back after all.

It's going to be hard to backtrack after this much promotion. I think she'll marry him but they'll quietly separate in a year or two, divorce in 5. This gets people off her back about failed relationships for 1/2 a decade and maybe the narrative will die. I love a good love story, but don't see much hope for her and matty unfortunately. I think she's hung up for reals on him but I think he loves the idea of her more than her. And I am sure that has turned to hate and defensiveness by now.

I don't think she wants kids so there is no pressure on her on that front. Tons of pressure to be the most successful artist and, as someone upthread said, to be beautiful. She will struggle with these pressures for the next 15 years. The hope is she gets into directing or producing - something that allows her to win awards and be at the top of the industry after it gets harder to hold her place as an entertainer. Unless somehow our stupid youth obsession dies and an aged-faced 45 pop singer is, as it should be, a real possibility.

The song Wish List kind of indicates she does want kids. I mean, who knows what she actually wants and it's also possible she's conflicted -- I was actually pretty conflicted about whether or not to have kids when I was in my early 30s. But I also ultimately had kids because I decided even if I was a little unsure, I wasn't willing to just forgo that experience and time was of the essence. And it was the right choice for me.

I would guess she's in the same boat to some degree and trying to decide. Her decision to marry Kelce actually makes me think she will have at least one kid because his family seems very family-oriented and he seems like the kind of guy would would not be content to just be DINKs forever. I bet they'll wind up with two kids unless the marriage blows up quickly.

I can’t imagine Taylor as a mother. She comes off as too OCD/neurotic.

That's exactly the kind of thing people said about me before I became a mom, and I'm a good mom. And I don't have one-billionth the resources Taylor does, including supportive extended family on both sides who would care about her kids.

Not saying she has to have kids -- not having them is a valid choice. Just saying that people tend to be narrow about what it means to be "maternal" and can be especially hard on career women on this point, but that doesn't mean the person doesn't have the capacity to be a mom. It just means you are limited in how you see them.

Can you see Taylor parenting kids like Travis and Jason. Both had a lot of “challenges” growing up.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know why people don’t believe her relationship with a football jock. She’s basically super rich and pretentious trailer trash. She’s a millennial who never went to college—that’s unheard of in UMC orbits. She’s a terminally online tumblr/redditor and beyond immature for her age. Her best friend is another mean girl pretentious moron who never went to college in Blake Lively. She’s dated a series of actors, who are notoriously stupid. Travis seems like an intellectual match. She prob gets off on the fact that Travis so dumb he makes her, an uneducated midwit, feel smart.

You poor soul, still thinking that college makes you an educated person. Guess what, haters…..her new album is number one again. Not bad for a ‘has been’.

If you're even in D.C., the most over-educated city in America, who do you know under age 45 who literally never went to college? If you're a white collar professional who grew up even somewhat privileged in the 80s and 90s, you don't know or even associate with anyone who doesn't have at least a bachelor's degree. Swift is a public school lifer who has never taken one college course -- and it shows in her shallow as a soda cap music.

What makes her intelligent? Money? Come on. I've never heard who discuss how well read she is. Because she is not an intellectual, she's a very online pseud imbecile who POSTURES as some sort of intellectual poet. Her songs on this album are so juvenile, it's as if a teenager wrote this babble. There's no there there because she's simply not very bright. She is like a 36 year old rube who won the lottery.

She and the football schmendrick are a match intellectually. They will be happy together. Ignorance is bliss.

I know lots of people that are extremely intelligent and they have emotional intelligence that’s also off the charts (most important in life) and they are making tons of money. Also, I wouldn’t use Dc as an example. I grew up here, and like it here very much but it’s grossly judgmental as you’ve demonstrated and you can send your kid to an Ivy league school but I wouldn’t want my child to have your character at all, as I would of failed as a parent.

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I'm a 61-year-old male and I've been listening to Taylor's channel (Ch 13) on SiriusXM all week. I think my favorite era(s) is/are Folklore, Evermore, and Midnights.

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor is filthy rich but an extremely basic dimwitted boring and uneducated American gal. That "boring" jab must have cut her so deep. She has always tried to surround herself with edgy art scene creatives and Euros and tries to masquerade as this creative erudite poet. To pretend she's content with some idiot American football jock and his flyover prole family is laughable. That's why every time she's with him, his family, and/or his social circle she's got booze in her hand. She's miserable af.

Oh that “boring” moniker smarts like a MFer. Taylor singing about on Matty “The smallest man who ever lived”:

“You said normal girls were boring, but you were gone by the morning”

Then it dawns on Taylor that he and his friends like Charli, George were actually talking about her:

“I hear you call me Boring Barbie when the cokes got you brave” - Actually Romantic

Then Charli sets up Matt with her BFF Gabriette the second Taylor is ghosted.

This Matty rejection on the heals of Joe refusing to marry her. Taylor’s humiliated and pissed so she goes for the first desperate climber guy who gives her public adoration even though she’s not into him and she knows secretly she’s not his type either but he’s running cover for her humiliation.

And that’s how we got this fake ass album. It’s straight PR for TTPD and to shove it in Matty’s face after so publicly pining for him when he thinks she is a joke. That’s why this album came out so fast and why it’s so rushed and awful.

+1. It was cringe at the New Heights podcast when Taylor caressed Travis’ face and tried to convince us how handsome he is (basically every time he came across as an idiot). They have zero chemistry. Unfortunately for her, she has promoted this relationship so hard that at this point she has no other choice but to marry him, unless something dramatic happens, e.g. Matty decides that he wants her back after all.

It's going to be hard to backtrack after this much promotion. I think she'll marry him but they'll quietly separate in a year or two, divorce in 5. This gets people off her back about failed relationships for 1/2 a decade and maybe the narrative will die. I love a good love story, but don't see much hope for her and matty unfortunately. I think she's hung up for reals on him but I think he loves the idea of her more than her. And I am sure that has turned to hate and defensiveness by now.

I don't think she wants kids so there is no pressure on her on that front. Tons of pressure to be the most successful artist and, as someone upthread said, to be beautiful. She will struggle with these pressures for the next 15 years. The hope is she gets into directing or producing - something that allows her to win awards and be at the top of the industry after it gets harder to hold her place as an entertainer. Unless somehow our stupid youth obsession dies and an aged-faced 45 pop singer is, as it should be, a real possibility.

The song Wish List kind of indicates she does want kids. I mean, who knows what she actually wants and it's also possible she's conflicted -- I was actually pretty conflicted about whether or not to have kids when I was in my early 30s. But I also ultimately had kids because I decided even if I was a little unsure, I wasn't willing to just forgo that experience and time was of the essence. And it was the right choice for me.

I would guess she's in the same boat to some degree and trying to decide. Her decision to marry Kelce actually makes me think she will have at least one kid because his family seems very family-oriented and he seems like the kind of guy would would not be content to just be DINKs forever. I bet they'll wind up with two kids unless the marriage blows up quickly.

Girl bosses at her advanced age settle for the nearest guy all the time. It's a very common phenom. A man on the caliber of Harry Styles isn't ringing her anymore.

Taylor is too young for Harry.

I don’t think she settled, if anything she probably thought she couldn’t land an athlete and is thrilled to be with him. He’s simple, has his own money, seems to love his family and kids, and apparently the sex is good too. What more is there to ask for.

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I thought this comment from the travisandtaylor subreddit was insightful (it's an anti-Taylor snark reddit, I actually like her, but I lurk there).

https://www.reddit.com/r/travisandtaylor/comments/1o1fk2f/taylor_seems_to_have_traded_selfrespect_for/

The part of her Jimmy Fallon interview concerning the Super Bowl has stuck with me. It had been reported that she pulled out of the Super Bowl because NFL would not let her own the footage of the performance. That's all neither here nor there to me, but it was obvious that Fallon was giving her a chance to spin that story.

https://youtu.be/9qDW_ZKpvxI?t=1102

Then she goes into the self-negging "I couldn't be thinking about choreo while my gladiator man is down there wrestling lions. I'm too locked in on him." She used to ascribe a lot of that energy to herself. Drama queens taking swings, being in the arena herself so to speak. It was a way her lyrics expressed empowerment. It's so weird to watch her denigrate her own craft, saying it's silly girl shit essentially, and be praised for it by Fallon and the audience. Fallon is even imitating what he imagines Kelce would be saying, "let me have this one thing" re: football, and she looks so comfortably ensconced in this patriarchal dismissal of her own career.

The year that Travis Kelce was drafted, 2013, she ran the Red Tour which earned $150 million. The Super Bowl would 100% be a performance on her horizon as a rising, ambitious-for-world-takeover popstar. She even mentions in the interview, circling back to talk with Jay-Z about a potential performance year-over-year. It's absurd and sad to me that she is suddenly acting like his career is in any way more "legit" than hers.

Worst in all of this for me is "Wood." I'm a writer, like an actual poet who studied and practiced it for many years before calling myself that, and I /know/ the appeal of writing something that glorifies your dude for the public. It's a private joke that has real world impact. If the writing is successful, its readers' perceptions of your dude are adjusted. There's a lot of power to that. What makes me sad is that, in the end, what Travis Kelce has gained in the transaction is so much greater than what she has. No matter what happens regarding their relationship, for the rest of his life, Travis Kelce will be able to brag to other men that the biggest songwriter America's ever seen dedicated a song to his illiterate penis. To me it is a humiliation of her pen. The appeal to other men for Kelce in this song is that it represents "The Greatest"(tm) lowering itself immeasurably to glorify his dingus. Does that make sense, or is this my own internalized misogyny?

Frankly, I don't have much love for Taylor Swift. I am an OG KatyCat lmao and I've seen a lot I don't like about her. I do love some of her songs, like Reputation does everything I need it to. But I respect her as a pop artist, a songwriter, and a woman who built an empire for herself in a male-dominated industry. Why would she lower herself so far for this man? It feels to me like she feels like she's finally gotten everything, and she's gotten the type of guy she wrote about from the beginning, and now she's so scared of losing him that she'll humiliate herself to make him stay. It's troubling.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought this comment from the travisandtaylor subreddit was insightful (it's an anti-Taylor snark reddit, I actually like her, but I lurk there).

https://www.reddit.com/r/travisandtaylor/comments/1o1fk2f/taylor_seems_to_have_traded_selfrespect_for/

The part of her Jimmy Fallon interview concerning the Super Bowl has stuck with me. It had been reported that she pulled out of the Super Bowl because NFL would not let her own the footage of the performance. That's all neither here nor there to me, but it was obvious that Fallon was giving her a chance to spin that story.

https://youtu.be/9qDW_ZKpvxI?t=1102

Then she goes into the self-negging "I couldn't be thinking about choreo while my gladiator man is down there wrestling lions. I'm too locked in on him." She used to ascribe a lot of that energy to herself. Drama queens taking swings, being in the arena herself so to speak. It was a way her lyrics expressed empowerment. It's so weird to watch her denigrate her own craft, saying it's silly girl shit essentially, and be praised for it by Fallon and the audience. Fallon is even imitating what he imagines Kelce would be saying, "let me have this one thing" re: football, and she looks so comfortably ensconced in this patriarchal dismissal of her own career.

The year that Travis Kelce was drafted, 2013, she ran the Red Tour which earned $150 million. The Super Bowl would 100% be a performance on her horizon as a rising, ambitious-for-world-takeover popstar. She even mentions in the interview, circling back to talk with Jay-Z about a potential performance year-over-year. It's absurd and sad to me that she is suddenly acting like his career is in any way more "legit" than hers.

Worst in all of this for me is "Wood." I'm a writer, like an actual poet who studied and practiced it for many years before calling myself that, and I /know/ the appeal of writing something that glorifies your dude for the public. It's a private joke that has real world impact. If the writing is successful, its readers' perceptions of your dude are adjusted. There's a lot of power to that. What makes me sad is that, in the end, what Travis Kelce has gained in the transaction is so much greater than what she has. No matter what happens regarding their relationship, for the rest of his life, Travis Kelce will be able to brag to other men that the biggest songwriter America's ever seen dedicated a song to his illiterate penis. To me it is a humiliation of her pen. The appeal to other men for Kelce in this song is that it represents "The Greatest"(tm) lowering itself immeasurably to glorify his dingus. Does that make sense, or is this my own internalized misogyny?

Frankly, I don't have much love for Taylor Swift. I am an OG KatyCat lmao and I've seen a lot I don't like about her. I do love some of her songs, like Reputation does everything I need it to. But I respect her as a pop artist, a songwriter, and a woman who built an empire for herself in a male-dominated industry. Why would she lower herself so far for this man? It feels to me like she feels like she's finally gotten everything, and she's gotten the type of guy she wrote about from the beginning, and now she's so scared of losing him that she'll humiliate herself to make him stay. It's troubling.

If you think she is running point on any of this scripted nonsense I have a bridge to sell you. Taylor is so lost after 20 years of a fake life she probably doesn’t even know what reality is anymore. You could argue she’s developmentally disabled. Most child stars are. Her entire being, her core as a teen country artist was fake. She’s from like Philly. Her entire essence is phony.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought this comment from the travisandtaylor subreddit was insightful (it's an anti-Taylor snark reddit, I actually like her, but I lurk there).

https://www.reddit.com/r/travisandtaylor/comments/1o1fk2f/taylor_seems_to_have_traded_selfrespect_for/

The part of her Jimmy Fallon interview concerning the Super Bowl has stuck with me. It had been reported that she pulled out of the Super Bowl because NFL would not let her own the footage of the performance. That's all neither here nor there to me, but it was obvious that Fallon was giving her a chance to spin that story.

https://youtu.be/9qDW_ZKpvxI?t=1102

Then she goes into the self-negging "I couldn't be thinking about choreo while my gladiator man is down there wrestling lions. I'm too locked in on him." She used to ascribe a lot of that energy to herself. Drama queens taking swings, being in the arena herself so to speak. It was a way her lyrics expressed empowerment. It's so weird to watch her denigrate her own craft, saying it's silly girl shit essentially, and be praised for it by Fallon and the audience. Fallon is even imitating what he imagines Kelce would be saying, "let me have this one thing" re: football, and she looks so comfortably ensconced in this patriarchal dismissal of her own career.

The year that Travis Kelce was drafted, 2013, she ran the Red Tour which earned $150 million. The Super Bowl would 100% be a performance on her horizon as a rising, ambitious-for-world-takeover popstar. She even mentions in the interview, circling back to talk with Jay-Z about a potential performance year-over-year. It's absurd and sad to me that she is suddenly acting like his career is in any way more "legit" than hers.

Worst in all of this for me is "Wood." I'm a writer, like an actual poet who studied and practiced it for many years before calling myself that, and I /know/ the appeal of writing something that glorifies your dude for the public. It's a private joke that has real world impact. If the writing is successful, its readers' perceptions of your dude are adjusted. There's a lot of power to that. What makes me sad is that, in the end, what Travis Kelce has gained in the transaction is so much greater than what she has. No matter what happens regarding their relationship, for the rest of his life, Travis Kelce will be able to brag to other men that the biggest songwriter America's ever seen dedicated a song to his illiterate penis. To me it is a humiliation of her pen. The appeal to other men for Kelce in this song is that it represents "The Greatest"(tm) lowering itself immeasurably to glorify his dingus. Does that make sense, or is this my own internalized misogyny?

Frankly, I don't have much love for Taylor Swift. I am an OG KatyCat lmao and I've seen a lot I don't like about her. I do love some of her songs, like Reputation does everything I need it to. But I respect her as a pop artist, a songwriter, and a woman who built an empire for herself in a male-dominated industry. Why would she lower herself so far for this man? It feels to me like she feels like she's finally gotten everything, and she's gotten the type of guy she wrote about from the beginning, and now she's so scared of losing him that she'll humiliate herself to make him stay. It's troubling.

I think it's pretty obvious she just doesn't want to do the Super Bowl. What would she gain from it? She doesn't get paid and she doesn't need the attention. A lot of work for nothing. It was a business decision. Instead of saying that she says something about just staying in her lane at what could be his big day to play to the masses. Shaking her ass on stage isn't that much deeper than chasing after a ball. Anyone thinking it's deeper than it is, looks like a fool.

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor is filthy rich but an extremely basic dimwitted boring and uneducated American gal. That "boring" jab must have cut her so deep. She has always tried to surround herself with edgy art scene creatives and Euros and tries to masquerade as this creative erudite poet. To pretend she's content with some idiot American football jock and his flyover prole family is laughable. That's why every time she's with him, his family, and/or his social circle she's got booze in her hand. She's miserable af.

Oh that “boring” moniker smarts like a MFer. Taylor singing about on Matty “The smallest man who ever lived”:

“You said normal girls were boring, but you were gone by the morning”

Then it dawns on Taylor that he and his friends like Charli, George were actually talking about her:

“I hear you call me Boring Barbie when the cokes got you brave” - Actually Romantic

Then Charli sets up Matt with her BFF Gabriette the second Taylor is ghosted.

This Matty rejection on the heals of Joe refusing to marry her. Taylor’s humiliated and pissed so she goes for the first desperate climber guy who gives her public adoration even though she’s not into him and she knows secretly she’s not his type either but he’s running cover for her humiliation.

And that’s how we got this fake ass album. It’s straight PR for TTPD and to shove it in Matty’s face after so publicly pining for him when he thinks she is a joke. That’s why this album came out so fast and why it’s so rushed and awful.

+1. It was cringe at the New Heights podcast when Taylor caressed Travis’ face and tried to convince us how handsome he is (basically every time he came across as an idiot). They have zero chemistry. Unfortunately for her, she has promoted this relationship so hard that at this point she has no other choice but to marry him, unless something dramatic happens, e.g. Matty decides that he wants her back after all.

It's going to be hard to backtrack after this much promotion. I think she'll marry him but they'll quietly separate in a year or two, divorce in 5. This gets people off her back about failed relationships for 1/2 a decade and maybe the narrative will die. I love a good love story, but don't see much hope for her and matty unfortunately. I think she's hung up for reals on him but I think he loves the idea of her more than her. And I am sure that has turned to hate and defensiveness by now.

I don't think she wants kids so there is no pressure on her on that front. Tons of pressure to be the most successful artist and, as someone upthread said, to be beautiful. She will struggle with these pressures for the next 15 years. The hope is she gets into directing or producing - something that allows her to win awards and be at the top of the industry after it gets harder to hold her place as an entertainer. Unless somehow our stupid youth obsession dies and an aged-faced 45 pop singer is, as it should be, a real possibility.

The song Wish List kind of indicates she does want kids. I mean, who knows what she actually wants and it's also possible she's conflicted -- I was actually pretty conflicted about whether or not to have kids when I was in my early 30s. But I also ultimately had kids because I decided even if I was a little unsure, I wasn't willing to just forgo that experience and time was of the essence. And it was the right choice for me.

I would guess she's in the same boat to some degree and trying to decide. Her decision to marry Kelce actually makes me think she will have at least one kid because his family seems very family-oriented and he seems like the kind of guy would would not be content to just be DINKs forever. I bet they'll wind up with two kids unless the marriage blows up quickly.

I can’t imagine Taylor as a mother. She comes off as too OCD/neurotic.

That's exactly the kind of thing people said about me before I became a mom, and I'm a good mom. And I don't have one-billionth the resources Taylor does, including supportive extended family on both sides who would care about her kids.

Not saying she has to have kids -- not having them is a valid choice. Just saying that people tend to be narrow about what it means to be "maternal" and can be especially hard on career women on this point, but that doesn't mean the person doesn't have the capacity to be a mom. It just means you are limited in how you see them.

Can you see Taylor parenting kids like Travis and Jason. Both had a lot of “challenges” growing up.

If she gets a great nanny, it could work out. When you have her kind of money you're not as isolated as us poor old middle class schmos in DC. It's never easy, but she'll have so many syncophants around that she won't even know if she's screwed up as a parent for another thirty years. Even then, which of us are perfect?

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor is filthy rich but an extremely basic dimwitted boring and uneducated American gal. That "boring" jab must have cut her so deep. She has always tried to surround herself with edgy art scene creatives and Euros and tries to masquerade as this creative erudite poet. To pretend she's content with some idiot American football jock and his flyover prole family is laughable. That's why every time she's with him, his family, and/or his social circle she's got booze in her hand. She's miserable af.

Oh that “boring” moniker smarts like a MFer. Taylor singing about on Matty “The smallest man who ever lived”:

“You said normal girls were boring, but you were gone by the morning”

Then it dawns on Taylor that he and his friends like Charli, George were actually talking about her:

“I hear you call me Boring Barbie when the cokes got you brave” - Actually Romantic

Then Charli sets up Matt with her BFF Gabriette the second Taylor is ghosted.

This Matty rejection on the heals of Joe refusing to marry her. Taylor’s humiliated and pissed so she goes for the first desperate climber guy who gives her public adoration even though she’s not into him and she knows secretly she’s not his type either but he’s running cover for her humiliation.

And that’s how we got this fake ass album. It’s straight PR for TTPD and to shove it in Matty’s face after so publicly pining for him when he thinks she is a joke. That’s why this album came out so fast and why it’s so rushed and awful.

+1. It was cringe at the New Heights podcast when Taylor caressed Travis’ face and tried to convince us how handsome he is (basically every time he came across as an idiot). They have zero chemistry. Unfortunately for her, she has promoted this relationship so hard that at this point she has no other choice but to marry him, unless something dramatic happens, e.g. Matty decides that he wants her back after all.

It's going to be hard to backtrack after this much promotion. I think she'll marry him but they'll quietly separate in a year or two, divorce in 5. This gets people off her back about failed relationships for 1/2 a decade and maybe the narrative will die. I love a good love story, but don't see much hope for her and matty unfortunately. I think she's hung up for reals on him but I think he loves the idea of her more than her. And I am sure that has turned to hate and defensiveness by now.

I don't think she wants kids so there is no pressure on her on that front. Tons of pressure to be the most successful artist and, as someone upthread said, to be beautiful. She will struggle with these pressures for the next 15 years. The hope is she gets into directing or producing - something that allows her to win awards and be at the top of the industry after it gets harder to hold her place as an entertainer. Unless somehow our stupid youth obsession dies and an aged-faced 45 pop singer is, as it should be, a real possibility.

The song Wish List kind of indicates she does want kids. I mean, who knows what she actually wants and it's also possible she's conflicted -- I was actually pretty conflicted about whether or not to have kids when I was in my early 30s. But I also ultimately had kids because I decided even if I was a little unsure, I wasn't willing to just forgo that experience and time was of the essence. And it was the right choice for me.

I would guess she's in the same boat to some degree and trying to decide. Her decision to marry Kelce actually makes me think she will have at least one kid because his family seems very family-oriented and he seems like the kind of guy would would not be content to just be DINKs forever. I bet they'll wind up with two kids unless the marriage blows up quickly.

I can’t imagine Taylor as a mother. She comes off as too OCD/neurotic.

That's exactly the kind of thing people said about me before I became a mom, and I'm a good mom. And I don't have one-billionth the resources Taylor does, including supportive extended family on both sides who would care about her kids.

Not saying she has to have kids -- not having them is a valid choice. Just saying that people tend to be narrow about what it means to be "maternal" and can be especially hard on career women on this point, but that doesn't mean the person doesn't have the capacity to be a mom. It just means you are limited in how you see them.

Can you see Taylor parenting kids like Travis and Jason. Both had a lot of “challenges” growing up.

She’ll be raising her CTE hubby. She has no idea what she’s getting involved in.

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Anonymous wrote:Taylor is filthy rich but an extremely basic dimwitted boring and uneducated American gal. That "boring" jab must have cut her so deep. She has always tried to surround herself with edgy art scene creatives and Euros and tries to masquerade as this creative erudite poet. To pretend she's content with some idiot American football jock and his flyover prole family is laughable. That's why every time she's with him, his family, and/or his social circle she's got booze in her hand. She's miserable af.

Oh that “boring” moniker smarts like a MFer. Taylor singing about on Matty “The smallest man who ever lived”:

“You said normal girls were boring, but you were gone by the morning”

Then it dawns on Taylor that he and his friends like Charli, George were actually talking about her:

“I hear you call me Boring Barbie when the cokes got you brave” - Actually Romantic

Then Charli sets up Matt with her BFF Gabriette the second Taylor is ghosted.

This Matty rejection on the heals of Joe refusing to marry her. Taylor’s humiliated and pissed so she goes for the first desperate climber guy who gives her public adoration even though she’s not into him and she knows secretly she’s not his type either but he’s running cover for her humiliation.

And that’s how we got this fake ass album. It’s straight PR for TTPD and to shove it in Matty’s face after so publicly pining for him when he thinks she is a joke. That’s why this album came out so fast and why it’s so rushed and awful.

+1. It was cringe at the New Heights podcast when Taylor caressed Travis’ face and tried to convince us how handsome he is (basically every time he came across as an idiot). They have zero chemistry. Unfortunately for her, she has promoted this relationship so hard that at this point she has no other choice but to marry him, unless something dramatic happens, e.g. Matty decides that he wants her back after all.

It's going to be hard to backtrack after this much promotion. I think she'll marry him but they'll quietly separate in a year or two, divorce in 5. This gets people off her back about failed relationships for 1/2 a decade and maybe the narrative will die. I love a good love story, but don't see much hope for her and matty unfortunately. I think she's hung up for reals on him but I think he loves the idea of her more than her. And I am sure that has turned to hate and defensiveness by now.

I don't think she wants kids so there is no pressure on her on that front. Tons of pressure to be the most successful artist and, as someone upthread said, to be beautiful. She will struggle with these pressures for the next 15 years. The hope is she gets into directing or producing - something that allows her to win awards and be at the top of the industry after it gets harder to hold her place as an entertainer. Unless somehow our stupid youth obsession dies and an aged-faced 45 pop singer is, as it should be, a real possibility.

The song Wish List kind of indicates she does want kids. I mean, who knows what she actually wants and it's also possible she's conflicted -- I was actually pretty conflicted about whether or not to have kids when I was in my early 30s. But I also ultimately had kids because I decided even if I was a little unsure, I wasn't willing to just forgo that experience and time was of the essence. And it was the right choice for me.

I would guess she's in the same boat to some degree and trying to decide. Her decision to marry Kelce actually makes me think she will have at least one kid because his family seems very family-oriented and he seems like the kind of guy would would not be content to just be DINKs forever. I bet they'll wind up with two kids unless the marriage blows up quickly.

I can’t imagine Taylor as a mother. She comes off as too OCD/neurotic.

That's exactly the kind of thing people said about me before I became a mom, and I'm a good mom. And I don't have one-billionth the resources Taylor does, including supportive extended family on both sides who would care about her kids.

Not saying she has to have kids -- not having them is a valid choice. Just saying that people tend to be narrow about what it means to be "maternal" and can be especially hard on career women on this point, but that doesn't mean the person doesn't have the capacity to be a mom. It just means you are limited in how you see them.

Can you see Taylor parenting kids like Travis and Jason. Both had a lot of “challenges” growing up.

She’ll be raising her CTE hubby. She has no idea what she’s getting involved in.

You realize she doesn't have the same worries you do. She can afford the best of everything. If her husband needs care, he will get the best. People just can't see past their own navels. She's not like you. She's nothing like you. You don't need to put yourself in her shoes and try to imagine her life. You can't. You would struggle to care for a sick husband because you're broke and have no safety net. So you have to make other choices and worry about the consequences of said choices.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought this comment from the travisandtaylor subreddit was insightful (it's an anti-Taylor snark reddit, I actually like her, but I lurk there).

https://www.reddit.com/r/travisandtaylor/comments/1o1fk2f/taylor_seems_to_have_traded_selfrespect_for/

The part of her Jimmy Fallon interview concerning the Super Bowl has stuck with me. It had been reported that she pulled out of the Super Bowl because NFL would not let her own the footage of the performance. That's all neither here nor there to me, but it was obvious that Fallon was giving her a chance to spin that story.

https://youtu.be/9qDW_ZKpvxI?t=1102

Then she goes into the self-negging "I couldn't be thinking about choreo while my gladiator man is down there wrestling lions. I'm too locked in on him." She used to ascribe a lot of that energy to herself. Drama queens taking swings, being in the arena herself so to speak. It was a way her lyrics expressed empowerment. It's so weird to watch her denigrate her own craft, saying it's silly girl shit essentially, and be praised for it by Fallon and the audience. Fallon is even imitating what he imagines Kelce would be saying, "let me have this one thing" re: football, and she looks so comfortably ensconced in this patriarchal dismissal of her own career.

The year that Travis Kelce was drafted, 2013, she ran the Red Tour which earned $150 million. The Super Bowl would 100% be a performance on her horizon as a rising, ambitious-for-world-takeover popstar. She even mentions in the interview, circling back to talk with Jay-Z about a potential performance year-over-year. It's absurd and sad to me that she is suddenly acting like his career is in any way more "legit" than hers.

Worst in all of this for me is "Wood." I'm a writer, like an actual poet who studied and practiced it for many years before calling myself that, and I /know/ the appeal of writing something that glorifies your dude for the public. It's a private joke that has real world impact. If the writing is successful, its readers' perceptions of your dude are adjusted. There's a lot of power to that. What makes me sad is that, in the end, what Travis Kelce has gained in the transaction is so much greater than what she has. No matter what happens regarding their relationship, for the rest of his life, Travis Kelce will be able to brag to other men that the biggest songwriter America's ever seen dedicated a song to his illiterate penis. To me it is a humiliation of her pen. The appeal to other men for Kelce in this song is that it represents "The Greatest"(tm) lowering itself immeasurably to glorify his dingus. Does that make sense, or is this my own internalized misogyny?

Frankly, I don't have much love for Taylor Swift. I am an OG KatyCat lmao and I've seen a lot I don't like about her. I do love some of her songs, like Reputation does everything I need it to. But I respect her as a pop artist, a songwriter, and a woman who built an empire for herself in a male-dominated industry. Why would she lower herself so far for this man? It feels to me like she feels like she's finally gotten everything, and she's gotten the type of guy she wrote about from the beginning, and now she's so scared of losing him that she'll humiliate herself to make him stay. It's troubling.

I think she's just been hanging out with dudes and she understands the fun in a fart/dick/nuts joke and the song is hilarious. It's a dick joke song.

You are way to serious Ms. "Poet" ... go to a bar and drink some beers with some dudes and lighten up.

Also, I doubt you've watch one whole football game or could name a tight end besides Travis or even tell me what the job of tight end is.

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If you're even in D.C., the most over-educated city in America, who do you know under age 45 who literally never went to college? If you're a white collar professional who grew up even somewhat privileged in the 80s and 90s, you don't know or even associate with anyone who doesn't have at least a bachelor's degree. Swift is a public school lifer who has never taken one college course -- and it shows in her shallow as a soda cap music.

What makes her intelligent? Money? Come on. I've never heard her discuss how well read she is. Because she is not an intellectual, she's a very online pseud imbecile who POSTURES as some sort of intellectual poet. Her songs on this album are so juvenile, it's as if a teenager wrote this babble. There's no there there because she's simply not very bright. She is like a 36 year old rube who won the lottery.

She and the football schmendrick are a match intellectually. They will be happy together. Ignorance is bliss.

Dp not that I disagree with what you wrote. But it's almost as if you're just now discovering all that you worry about her now .

One can hope an artist will evolve and mature over time, especially one who tries to force this tortured poet intellectual vibe. She hasn't. 36 is just way too old to still be this stunted and tumblr-brained and that's why this album is such an embarrassing flop.

I enjoyed her music--Red, Folklore, Reputation are ones I liked a lot--but I can't help but see some traits of narcissism in her and her work. She doesn't seem to keep friends for long. The friends she claims to have are primarily able bodied, straight, blonde, rich people.

In her lyrics, she says she likes her friends wrapped in Gucci and says something about Balenciaga but calls the brand "Balenci'" She wears $10,000 worth of clothes to a football game. I can't relate to this person at all.

She's also recycled lyrics from earlier albums, which shows a serious amount of laziness on her part...

"I've been sleeping so long in a twenty-year dark night and now I see daylight..." -- from Daylight
"Sleepless in the onyx night but the sky is opalite." -- Opalite


The voices notes are HORRIBLE. She can't seem to carry a tune. At the end of one of them, you can hear her producers trying to get a word in edgewise but she shuts them down. In that voice note, she is not taking criticism or input...

After word got out that her album is racist, she had herself papped with a black comedian. Before that, she'd not been photographed with a black person (beyond Kelce's teammate who is married to a MAGA lady).

I think she is in for a sad and lonely life as another pop star mentioned in a song about her friendship with Taylor dissolving. Gracie Abrams, maybe.

The 29 variations of this lame album beating out Adele is crass. TS had to all that to beat out a good album. If you read the letter that her dad wrote in 2005, you can see all of the machinations, and it's pretty nuts.

Hopefully, this album will open a lot of eyes and she will eventually fade away as most pop stars do.