Why does no one acknowledge how overworked teachers are?

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If you read the first 20-odd pages, there are a lot of people saying that indeed teachers do work hard. The first few posts are about how people DO, in fact, acknowledge how hard teachers work.

There are a couple of posters who did poop on teachers, true.

There were also posters that said, "hey we are all overworked." (Which is not saying that teachers AREN'T overworked, its' saying other people are overworked as well.)

There are also a couple of teachers who are ridiculously dug in to the narrative that they have the hardest job ever (worse apparently than poop scuba divers).

Oh yeah, there's the "parents suck" teacher as well, who always chimes in to just keep everything positive.

This is just a summary so no one thinks this entire thread is just "teachers have easy jobs."

Yet there are plenty of posts that refuse to acknowledge that teaching can be demanding, and the tired “but summers” argument is the usual go-to.

There are staggering misconceptions about teaching throughout this thread. I wouldn’t presume to know what it’s like to be a doctor or a “poop scuba diver,” but it’s clearly okay to assume what teaching is like. We’ve all been in classrooms, after all. We’ve all seen teachers in our daily lives. I guess that makes all of us on this thread clear experts in the education field. Sigh.

There is one (hopefully one) teacher who is suggesting that indeed they do know what every job entails, and that they do all of it as a teacher. And upthread there are plenty of comments where teachers presume to know what other jobs do or what the conditions are (and why their jobs are worse). This is part of why this thread won't die.

I think the main problem, as described numerous times upthread, is the phrasing of the OP. It's such a "what about me?" statement, despite the fact that there are teacher appreciation weeks, national news articles about teachers being overworked (suggesting they acknowledge that teachers are overworked), threads all the time here about how to appreciate teachers, etc.

DP. I'm assuming that poster is a troll, because I don't think anyone with more than a high school education would actually believe that poop divers and teachers have overlapping sanitation skills.

Not a troll and if you think I haven't had to clean up pretty much every bodily function out of my classroom you'd be wrong. I'm not diving 20,000 leagues to get it, but it is there on occasion.

Right, yes…this is a completely, COMPLETELY different story. Not even close to comparable. That you would imply that is laughable…what grade do you teach?

Also, like...it's not even unique? Most of us here are parents. We've all seen blowouts. Are we supposed to be impressed by the fact that you've dealt with poop?

DP but are you really going to equate handling your own infant's diaper changes with the poop of an elementary schooler unrelated to you? Classic case of parents thinking they do everything teachers do... but don't you dare close the schools during a pandemic, we need that babysitting

I think you missed the original comparison being made. Let me help!!

Cleaning up the poop of a child by an adult, either a parent or a teacher: relatively similar task. Swimming in poopie while wielding a fiery tool: not similar to either of the above. Hopefully you understand now. You're welcome!

Not a troll checking in. The fact that you have to go as extreme as a scuba welder to try to find something we don't do is proving my original point. The fact that you think its acceptable that someone with a masters has to clean up strangers childs poop are comparing it to cleaning up after your own kid, aka parenting, is even better.

???? There were SO many other examples provided (…at which point the teacher PP - who kept demanding examples of skills people performed in other jobs that she doesn’t perform as a teacher, INSISTENT that she does everything every other jobs does - slunk off with simply “I don’t have time to respond to this, I have papers to grade”…lol). Please read the context, as you would - I sincerely hope - teach a student to do.

The poop scuba diver point is here because the teacher claimed that since she occasionally deals with poop in her (…above water. Lol.) classroom, she does the same thing as the poop scuba diver. Idiocy

I decided to go back and look at that list. Some of it (flying airplanes, designing architecture, performing surgery) I feel are clearly cherrypicked to be specialized. The greater point is that we do components of many jobs. I'm not designing architecture, but I have to set up my classroom in a way that allows for 30 people to function in a room built for 20. I don't sell software, but I have to sell myself to get grants and donations. I don't dig ditches, but I do have to work with my hands often doing physical labor because we don't have enough custodians.

Again, the fact that the PP had to go to such hyperspecialized occupations to find things that aren't part of our job is only further proving the point of how many things we have to do.

That list came about because someone demanded in multiple posts that people list skills/tasks that a teacher DOESN'T have to do. The teacher was adamant that they did EVERYTHING.

Gotta agree that you sound bonkers when you say you do the manual labor of a ditch digger as a teacher.

Huge +1

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The title of this thread is problematic. People do acknowledge that teachers work hard.

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Anonymous wrote:The title of this thread is problematic. People do acknowledge that teachers work hard.

Really? That’s what not posters in the last few pages of this thread are saying (I didn’t read all 50+ pages).

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Anonymous wrote:I think it is important to point out that teachers have very little control. A Pilot can choose not to take off if their is a problem. He can remove problem passengers. A surgeon can choose who he wants to operate on. Teachers have very little choice day to day. Other people facing positions face similar stresses. This is why teaching is often compared to stressful nursing positions. Very little control compared to most jobs.

Wait. I’m sorry. I’m remembering my own surgeon father fighting with insurance companies, hospital administration, patients who somehow thought no food before surgery meant some food before surgery. Then there were the nurses setting the surgery schedules without consideration for what was actually needed and the attendants who regularly lost patients in the hospital as in parked them by the elevator and left them there for hours. Being screamed at for not being able to make God-like changes in people’s lives, berated by family members. Trying to switch mentally from being a seamstress only with human body parts to psychiatrist to grief counselor. Then deciding the fights for insurance reimbursement wasn’t worth it and starting their own practice having to now be an entrepreneur, hire custodians, be a building manager, etc. And yes, you get to choose who to operate on like you choose who to teach. If you are heartless, you say no. But surgeons took the Hippocratic oath. Then there are the lawsuits. There’s nothing like having to defend your surgical decisions to a room full of people who know nothing about medicine, especially after you sacrificed family time, sleep and money trying to save the patient.

Teachers are overworked. So are a lot of people. It’d be better to band together to fight problematic systems than argue over who is more overworked

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Anonymous wrote:I think it is important to point out that teachers have very little control. A Pilot can choose not to take off if their is a problem. He can remove problem passengers. A surgeon can choose who he wants to operate on. Teachers have very little choice day to day. Other people facing positions face similar stresses. This is why teaching is often compared to stressful nursing positions. Very little control compared to most jobs.

Wait. I’m sorry. I’m remembering my own surgeon father fighting with insurance companies, hospital administration, patients who somehow thought no food before surgery meant some food before surgery. Then there were the nurses setting the surgery schedules without consideration for what was actually needed and the attendants who regularly lost patients in the hospital as in parked them by the elevator and left them there for hours. Being screamed at for not being able to make God-like changes in people’s lives, berated by family members. Trying to switch mentally from being a seamstress only with human body parts to psychiatrist to grief counselor. Then deciding the fights for insurance reimbursement wasn’t worth it and starting their own practice having to now be an entrepreneur, hire custodians, be a building manager, etc. And yes, you get to choose who to operate on like you choose who to teach. If you are heartless, you say no. But surgeons took the Hippocratic oath. Then there are the lawsuits. There’s nothing like having to defend your surgical decisions to a room full of people who know nothing about medicine, especially after you sacrificed family time, sleep and money trying to save the patient.

Teachers are overworked. So are a lot of people. It’d be better to band together to fight problematic systems than argue over who is more overworked

It sounds like you are really proud of your father's professional integrity and dedication to his profession. With good reason! But let's not pretend that teachers are compensated as surgeons.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it is important to point out that teachers have very little control. A Pilot can choose not to take off if their is a problem. He can remove problem passengers. A surgeon can choose who he wants to operate on. Teachers have very little choice day to day. Other people facing positions face similar stresses. This is why teaching is often compared to stressful nursing positions. Very little control compared to most jobs.

Wait. I’m sorry. I’m remembering my own surgeon father fighting with insurance companies, hospital administration, patients who somehow thought no food before surgery meant some food before surgery. Then there were the nurses setting the surgery schedules without consideration for what was actually needed and the attendants who regularly lost patients in the hospital as in parked them by the elevator and left them there for hours. Being screamed at for not being able to make God-like changes in people’s lives, berated by family members. Trying to switch mentally from being a seamstress only with human body parts to psychiatrist to grief counselor. Then deciding the fights for insurance reimbursement wasn’t worth it and starting their own practice having to now be an entrepreneur, hire custodians, be a building manager, etc. And yes, you get to choose who to operate on like you choose who to teach. If you are heartless, you say no. But surgeons took the Hippocratic oath. Then there are the lawsuits. There’s nothing like having to defend your surgical decisions to a room full of people who know nothing about medicine, especially after you sacrificed family time, sleep and money trying to save the patient.

Teachers are overworked. So are a lot of people. It’d be better to band together to fight problematic systems than argue over who is more overworked

Ma'am or sir defending my hard work to people who know nothing about teaching is literally what this thread is about

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Anonymous wrote:The title of this thread is problematic. People do acknowledge that teachers work hard.

Really? That’s what not posters in the last few pages of this thread are saying (I didn’t read all 50+ pages).

the thread title says ‘no one acknowledges’ and that’s patently untrue. Yes, some might not, but some DO!

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Anonymous wrote:I think it is important to point out that teachers have very little control. A Pilot can choose not to take off if their is a problem. He can remove problem passengers. A surgeon can choose who he wants to operate on. Teachers have very little choice day to day. Other people facing positions face similar stresses. This is why teaching is often compared to stressful nursing positions. Very little control compared to most jobs.

Wait. I’m sorry. I’m remembering my own surgeon father fighting with insurance companies, hospital administration, patients who somehow thought no food before surgery meant some food before surgery. Then there were the nurses setting the surgery schedules without consideration for what was actually needed and the attendants who regularly lost patients in the hospital as in parked them by the elevator and left them there for hours. Being screamed at for not being able to make God-like changes in people’s lives, berated by family members. Trying to switch mentally from being a seamstress only with human body parts to psychiatrist to grief counselor. Then deciding the fights for insurance reimbursement wasn’t worth it and starting their own practice having to now be an entrepreneur, hire custodians, be a building manager, etc. And yes, you get to choose who to operate on like you choose who to teach. If you are heartless, you say no. But surgeons took the Hippocratic oath. Then there are the lawsuits. There’s nothing like having to defend your surgical decisions to a room full of people who know nothing about medicine, especially after you sacrificed family time, sleep and money trying to save the patient.

Teachers are overworked. So are a lot of people. It’d be better to band together to fight problematic systems than argue over who is more overworked

Ma'am or sir defending my hard work to people who know nothing about teaching is literally what this thread is about

Now do it in front of a judge and jury. You’ll wish you had 59 pages of differing opinions on DCUM to deal with instead

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Anonymous wrote:I think it is important to point out that teachers have very little control. A Pilot can choose not to take off if their is a problem. He can remove problem passengers. A surgeon can choose who he wants to operate on. Teachers have very little choice day to day. Other people facing positions face similar stresses. This is why teaching is often compared to stressful nursing positions. Very little control compared to most jobs.

Wait. I’m sorry. I’m remembering my own surgeon father fighting with insurance companies, hospital administration, patients who somehow thought no food before surgery meant some food before surgery. Then there were the nurses setting the surgery schedules without consideration for what was actually needed and the attendants who regularly lost patients in the hospital as in parked them by the elevator and left them there for hours. Being screamed at for not being able to make God-like changes in people’s lives, berated by family members. Trying to switch mentally from being a seamstress only with human body parts to psychiatrist to grief counselor. Then deciding the fights for insurance reimbursement wasn’t worth it and starting their own practice having to now be an entrepreneur, hire custodians, be a building manager, etc. And yes, you get to choose who to operate on like you choose who to teach. If you are heartless, you say no. But surgeons took the Hippocratic oath. Then there are the lawsuits. There’s nothing like having to defend your surgical decisions to a room full of people who know nothing about medicine, especially after you sacrificed family time, sleep and money trying to save the patient.

Teachers are overworked. So are a lot of people. It’d be better to band together to fight problematic systems than argue over who is more overworked

Ma'am or sir defending my hard work to people who know nothing about teaching is literally what this thread is about

Now do it in front of a judge and jury. You’ll wish you had 59 pages of differing opinions on DCUM to deal with instead

DP.
The fact there are 59 pages is part of the problem. There appear to be many posters putting down teaching without knowing anything at all about the profession. Heck, your post does it above. Perhaps I don’t defend to “judge and jury,” but so I have to a room of angry parents who wanted my job for teaching a classic. I have to the Board of Ed in defense of my students after some bad Board decisions. And daily I have to defend against teenagers, many of whom see education as pointless. Is it the same? No. But I would take 59 pages of DCUM ridiculousness over my job any day.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it is important to point out that teachers have very little control. A Pilot can choose not to take off if their is a problem. He can remove problem passengers. A surgeon can choose who he wants to operate on. Teachers have very little choice day to day. Other people facing positions face similar stresses. This is why teaching is often compared to stressful nursing positions. Very little control compared to most jobs.

Wait. I’m sorry. I’m remembering my own surgeon father fighting with insurance companies, hospital administration, patients who somehow thought no food before surgery meant some food before surgery. Then there were the nurses setting the surgery schedules without consideration for what was actually needed and the attendants who regularly lost patients in the hospital as in parked them by the elevator and left them there for hours. Being screamed at for not being able to make God-like changes in people’s lives, berated by family members. Trying to switch mentally from being a seamstress only with human body parts to psychiatrist to grief counselor. Then deciding the fights for insurance reimbursement wasn’t worth it and starting their own practice having to now be an entrepreneur, hire custodians, be a building manager, etc. And yes, you get to choose who to operate on like you choose who to teach. If you are heartless, you say no. But surgeons took the Hippocratic oath. Then there are the lawsuits. There’s nothing like having to defend your surgical decisions to a room full of people who know nothing about medicine, especially after you sacrificed family time, sleep and money trying to save the patient.

Teachers are overworked. So are a lot of people. It’d be better to band together to fight problematic systems than argue over who is more overworked

It sounds like you are really proud of your father's professional integrity and dedication to his profession. With good reason! But let's not pretend that teachers are compensated as surgeons.

Let’s not pretend you understand anything of what it takes to become a surgeon and how hard they work on a daily basis. They earn every cent.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it is important to point out that teachers have very little control. A Pilot can choose not to take off if their is a problem. He can remove problem passengers. A surgeon can choose who he wants to operate on. Teachers have very little choice day to day. Other people facing positions face similar stresses. This is why teaching is often compared to stressful nursing positions. Very little control compared to most jobs.

Wait. I’m sorry. I’m remembering my own surgeon father fighting with insurance companies, hospital administration, patients who somehow thought no food before surgery meant some food before surgery. Then there were the nurses setting the surgery schedules without consideration for what was actually needed and the attendants who regularly lost patients in the hospital as in parked them by the elevator and left them there for hours. Being screamed at for not being able to make God-like changes in people’s lives, berated by family members. Trying to switch mentally from being a seamstress only with human body parts to psychiatrist to grief counselor. Then deciding the fights for insurance reimbursement wasn’t worth it and starting their own practice having to now be an entrepreneur, hire custodians, be a building manager, etc. And yes, you get to choose who to operate on like you choose who to teach. If you are heartless, you say no. But surgeons took the Hippocratic oath. Then there are the lawsuits. There’s nothing like having to defend your surgical decisions to a room full of people who know nothing about medicine, especially after you sacrificed family time, sleep and money trying to save the patient.

Teachers are overworked. So are a lot of people. It’d be better to band together to fight problematic systems than argue over who is more overworked

Ma'am or sir defending my hard work to people who know nothing about teaching is literally what this thread is about

No one is saying you don’t work hard. But plenty of people work harder than you. Some make more, some make less.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it is important to point out that teachers have very little control. A Pilot can choose not to take off if their is a problem. He can remove problem passengers. A surgeon can choose who he wants to operate on. Teachers have very little choice day to day. Other people facing positions face similar stresses. This is why teaching is often compared to stressful nursing positions. Very little control compared to most jobs.

Wait. I’m sorry. I’m remembering my own surgeon father fighting with insurance companies, hospital administration, patients who somehow thought no food before surgery meant some food before surgery. Then there were the nurses setting the surgery schedules without consideration for what was actually needed and the attendants who regularly lost patients in the hospital as in parked them by the elevator and left them there for hours. Being screamed at for not being able to make God-like changes in people’s lives, berated by family members. Trying to switch mentally from being a seamstress only with human body parts to psychiatrist to grief counselor. Then deciding the fights for insurance reimbursement wasn’t worth it and starting their own practice having to now be an entrepreneur, hire custodians, be a building manager, etc. And yes, you get to choose who to operate on like you choose who to teach. If you are heartless, you say no. But surgeons took the Hippocratic oath. Then there are the lawsuits. There’s nothing like having to defend your surgical decisions to a room full of people who know nothing about medicine, especially after you sacrificed family time, sleep and money trying to save the patient.

Teachers are overworked. So are a lot of people. It’d be better to band together to fight problematic systems than argue over who is more overworked

It sounds like you are really proud of your father's professional integrity and dedication to his profession. With good reason! But let's not pretend that teachers are compensated as surgeons.

Let’s not pretend you understand anything of what it takes to become a surgeon and how hard they work on a daily basis. They earn every cent.

Nobody here is bashing surgeons. There's a reason this thread is about teachers

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Anonymous wrote:The title of this thread is problematic. People do acknowledge that teachers work hard.

Really? That’s what not posters in the last few pages of this thread are saying (I didn’t read all 50+ pages).

Maybe read the first page, where someone linked multiple other threads where posters are trying to figure out ways to thank teachers. Seems like many people appreciate teachers.

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If you read the first 20-odd pages, there are a lot of people saying that indeed teachers do work hard. The first few posts are about how people DO, in fact, acknowledge how hard teachers work.

There are a couple of posters who did poop on teachers, true.

There were also posters that said, "hey we are all overworked." (Which is not saying that teachers AREN'T overworked, its' saying other people are overworked as well.)

There are also a couple of teachers who are ridiculously dug in to the narrative that they have the hardest job ever (worse apparently than poop scuba divers).

Oh yeah, there's the "parents suck" teacher as well, who always chimes in to just keep everything positive.

This is just a summary so no one thinks this entire thread is just "teachers have easy jobs."

Yet there are plenty of posts that refuse to acknowledge that teaching can be demanding, and the tired “but summers” argument is the usual go-to.

There are staggering misconceptions about teaching throughout this thread. I wouldn’t presume to know what it’s like to be a doctor or a “poop scuba diver,” but it’s clearly okay to assume what teaching is like. We’ve all been in classrooms, after all. We’ve all seen teachers in our daily lives. I guess that makes all of us on this thread clear experts in the education field. Sigh.

There is one (hopefully one) teacher who is suggesting that indeed they do know what every job entails, and that they do all of it as a teacher. And upthread there are plenty of comments where teachers presume to know what other jobs do or what the conditions are (and why their jobs are worse). This is part of why this thread won't die.

I think the main problem, as described numerous times upthread, is the phrasing of the OP. It's such a "what about me?" statement, despite the fact that there are teacher appreciation weeks, national news articles about teachers being overworked (suggesting they acknowledge that teachers are overworked), threads all the time here about how to appreciate teachers, etc.

DP. I'm assuming that poster is a troll, because I don't think anyone with more than a high school education would actually believe that poop divers and teachers have overlapping sanitation skills.

Not a troll and if you think I haven't had to clean up pretty much every bodily function out of my classroom you'd be wrong. I'm not diving 20,000 leagues to get it, but it is there on occasion.

Right, yes…this is a completely, COMPLETELY different story. Not even close to comparable. That you would imply that is laughable…what grade do you teach?

Also, like...it's not even unique? Most of us here are parents. We've all seen blowouts. Are we supposed to be impressed by the fact that you've dealt with poop?

DP but are you really going to equate handling your own infant's diaper changes with the poop of an elementary schooler unrelated to you? Classic case of parents thinking they do everything teachers do... but don't you dare close the schools during a pandemic, we need that babysitting

I think you missed the original comparison being made. Let me help!!

Cleaning up the poop of a child by an adult, either a parent or a teacher: relatively similar task. Swimming in poopie while wielding a fiery tool: not similar to either of the above. Hopefully you understand now. You're welcome!

Not a troll checking in. The fact that you have to go as extreme as a scuba welder to try to find something we don't do is proving my original point. The fact that you think its acceptable that someone with a masters has to clean up strangers childs poop are comparing it to cleaning up after your own kid, aka parenting, is even better.

???? There were SO many other examples provided (…at which point the teacher PP - who kept demanding examples of skills people performed in other jobs that she doesn’t perform as a teacher, INSISTENT that she does everything every other jobs does - slunk off with simply “I don’t have time to respond to this, I have papers to grade”…lol). Please read the context, as you would - I sincerely hope - teach a student to do.

The poop scuba diver point is here because the teacher claimed that since she occasionally deals with poop in her (…above water. Lol.) classroom, she does the same thing as the poop scuba diver. Idiocy

I decided to go back and look at that list. Some of it (flying airplanes, designing architecture, performing surgery) I feel are clearly cherrypicked to be specialized. The greater point is that we do components of many jobs. I'm not designing architecture, but I have to set up my classroom in a way that allows for 30 people to function in a room built for 20. I don't sell software, but I have to sell myself to get grants and donations. I don't dig ditches, but I do have to work with my hands often doing physical labor because we don't have enough custodians.

Again, the fact that the PP had to go to such hyperspecialized occupations to find things that aren't part of our job is only further proving the point of how many things we have to do.

Omg hahahaahhshs. I am dying. Surely you cannot be serious right now….lollll. Take a step back and muster up a wee bit of self awareness, you sound NUTS.

PP who is a teacher:
Another teacher here. This poster won’t understand your point because he has never been responsible for a classroom. I do understand your point, and I don’t think you sound nuts. I know exactly what you mean.

oh wow there are two of you. you seem very...sheltered.

i keep seeing teachers say that you have to try teaching to understand it. i think it's clear that these two teachers here need to get out of the classroom for a bit and learn what the rest of the world is doing at work.

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If you read the first 20-odd pages, there are a lot of people saying that indeed teachers do work hard. The first few posts are about how people DO, in fact, acknowledge how hard teachers work.

There are a couple of posters who did poop on teachers, true.

There were also posters that said, "hey we are all overworked." (Which is not saying that teachers AREN'T overworked, its' saying other people are overworked as well.)

There are also a couple of teachers who are ridiculously dug in to the narrative that they have the hardest job ever (worse apparently than poop scuba divers).

Oh yeah, there's the "parents suck" teacher as well, who always chimes in to just keep everything positive.

This is just a summary so no one thinks this entire thread is just "teachers have easy jobs."

Yet there are plenty of posts that refuse to acknowledge that teaching can be demanding, and the tired “but summers” argument is the usual go-to.

There are staggering misconceptions about teaching throughout this thread. I wouldn’t presume to know what it’s like to be a doctor or a “poop scuba diver,” but it’s clearly okay to assume what teaching is like. We’ve all been in classrooms, after all. We’ve all seen teachers in our daily lives. I guess that makes all of us on this thread clear experts in the education field. Sigh.

There is one (hopefully one) teacher who is suggesting that indeed they do know what every job entails, and that they do all of it as a teacher. And upthread there are plenty of comments where teachers presume to know what other jobs do or what the conditions are (and why their jobs are worse). This is part of why this thread won't die.

I think the main problem, as described numerous times upthread, is the phrasing of the OP. It's such a "what about me?" statement, despite the fact that there are teacher appreciation weeks, national news articles about teachers being overworked (suggesting they acknowledge that teachers are overworked), threads all the time here about how to appreciate teachers, etc.

DP. I'm assuming that poster is a troll, because I don't think anyone with more than a high school education would actually believe that poop divers and teachers have overlapping sanitation skills.

Not a troll and if you think I haven't had to clean up pretty much every bodily function out of my classroom you'd be wrong. I'm not diving 20,000 leagues to get it, but it is there on occasion.

Right, yes…this is a completely, COMPLETELY different story. Not even close to comparable. That you would imply that is laughable…what grade do you teach?

Also, like...it's not even unique? Most of us here are parents. We've all seen blowouts. Are we supposed to be impressed by the fact that you've dealt with poop?

DP but are you really going to equate handling your own infant's diaper changes with the poop of an elementary schooler unrelated to you? Classic case of parents thinking they do everything teachers do... but don't you dare close the schools during a pandemic, we need that babysitting

I think you missed the original comparison being made. Let me help!!

Cleaning up the poop of a child by an adult, either a parent or a teacher: relatively similar task. Swimming in poopie while wielding a fiery tool: not similar to either of the above. Hopefully you understand now. You're welcome!

Not a troll checking in. The fact that you have to go as extreme as a scuba welder to try to find something we don't do is proving my original point. The fact that you think its acceptable that someone with a masters has to clean up strangers childs poop are comparing it to cleaning up after your own kid, aka parenting, is even better.

???? There were SO many other examples provided (…at which point the teacher PP - who kept demanding examples of skills people performed in other jobs that she doesn’t perform as a teacher, INSISTENT that she does everything every other jobs does - slunk off with simply “I don’t have time to respond to this, I have papers to grade”…lol). Please read the context, as you would - I sincerely hope - teach a student to do.

The poop scuba diver point is here because the teacher claimed that since she occasionally deals with poop in her (…above water. Lol.) classroom, she does the same thing as the poop scuba diver. Idiocy

I decided to go back and look at that list. Some of it (flying airplanes, designing architecture, performing surgery) I feel are clearly cherrypicked to be specialized. The greater point is that we do components of many jobs. I'm not designing architecture, but I have to set up my classroom in a way that allows for 30 people to function in a room built for 20. I don't sell software, but I have to sell myself to get grants and donations. I don't dig ditches, but I do have to work with my hands often doing physical labor because we don't have enough custodians.

Again, the fact that the PP had to go to such hyperspecialized occupations to find things that aren't part of our job is only further proving the point of how many things we have to do.

Uhhhh yeah, so does everyone…

I don't know if that's necessarily true.
My job is to educate children by delivering lessons, and then evaluating student performance of the content.
A pilot (using one example) has a job of flying an airplane.
A surgeon (using another) is responsible for surgery.

Which of these jobs has to also be responsible for emailing our clienteles families, writing recommendations for our clients, cleaning up the bodily functions of our clients, submitting grants for materials to support our clients, rearranging the furniture so that our clients can successfully function, make sure that 30 clients at a time are getting exactly what they need even though what some need directly contradict what other need, have to prepare presentations on a DAILY basis for our clients (understanding that surgeons probably have to do this for conferences/publishing), and I'm sure there are many more I'm not thinking of.

omg you really think the only thing a surgeon does is walk into a room, cut and sew a person and walk away and that there are no other job functions? you really, really think that a pilot walks onto a plane, flies to a destination, gets off and walks away and never does a single other thing?

can you please go look at a posting for a job? any job. please! please! i'm begging for just a drop of perspective