Why does no one acknowledge how overworked teachers are?

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If you read the first 20-odd pages, there are a lot of people saying that indeed teachers do work hard. The first few posts are about how people DO, in fact, acknowledge how hard teachers work.

There are a couple of posters who did poop on teachers, true.

There were also posters that said, "hey we are all overworked." (Which is not saying that teachers AREN'T overworked, its' saying other people are overworked as well.)

There are also a couple of teachers who are ridiculously dug in to the narrative that they have the hardest job ever (worse apparently than poop scuba divers).

Oh yeah, there's the "parents suck" teacher as well, who always chimes in to just keep everything positive.

This is just a summary so no one thinks this entire thread is just "teachers have easy jobs."

Yet there are plenty of posts that refuse to acknowledge that teaching can be demanding, and the tired “but summers” argument is the usual go-to.

There are staggering misconceptions about teaching throughout this thread. I wouldn’t presume to know what it’s like to be a doctor or a “poop scuba diver,” but it’s clearly okay to assume what teaching is like. We’ve all been in classrooms, after all. We’ve all seen teachers in our daily lives. I guess that makes all of us on this thread clear experts in the education field. Sigh.

There is one (hopefully one) teacher who is suggesting that indeed they do know what every job entails, and that they do all of it as a teacher. And upthread there are plenty of comments where teachers presume to know what other jobs do or what the conditions are (and why their jobs are worse). This is part of why this thread won't die.

I think the main problem, as described numerous times upthread, is the phrasing of the OP. It's such a "what about me?" statement, despite the fact that there are teacher appreciation weeks, national news articles about teachers being overworked (suggesting they acknowledge that teachers are overworked), threads all the time here about how to appreciate teachers, etc.

DP. I'm assuming that poster is a troll, because I don't think anyone with more than a high school education would actually believe that poop divers and teachers have overlapping sanitation skills.

Not a troll and if you think I haven't had to clean up pretty much every bodily function out of my classroom you'd be wrong. I'm not diving 20,000 leagues to get it, but it is there on occasion.

Right, yes…this is a completely, COMPLETELY different story. Not even close to comparable. That you would imply that is laughable…what grade do you teach?

Also, like...it's not even unique? Most of us here are parents. We've all seen blowouts. Are we supposed to be impressed by the fact that you've dealt with poop?

DP but are you really going to equate handling your own infant's diaper changes with the poop of an elementary schooler unrelated to you? Classic case of parents thinking they do everything teachers do... but don't you dare close the schools during a pandemic, we need that babysitting

I think you missed the original comparison being made. Let me help!!

Cleaning up the poop of a child by an adult, either a parent or a teacher: relatively similar task. Swimming in poopie while wielding a fiery tool: not similar to either of the above. Hopefully you understand now. You're welcome!

Not a troll checking in. The fact that you have to go as extreme as a scuba welder to try to find something we don't do is proving my original point. The fact that you think its acceptable that someone with a masters has to clean up strangers childs poop are comparing it to cleaning up after your own kid, aka parenting, is even better.

???? There were SO many other examples provided (…at which point the teacher PP - who kept demanding examples of skills people performed in other jobs that she doesn’t perform as a teacher, INSISTENT that she does everything every other jobs does - slunk off with simply “I don’t have time to respond to this, I have papers to grade”…lol). Please read the context, as you would - I sincerely hope - teach a student to do.

The poop scuba diver point is here because the teacher claimed that since she occasionally deals with poop in her (…above water. Lol.) classroom, she does the same thing as the poop scuba diver. Idiocy

I decided to go back and look at that list. Some of it (flying airplanes, designing architecture, performing surgery) I feel are clearly cherrypicked to be specialized. The greater point is that we do components of many jobs. I'm not designing architecture, but I have to set up my classroom in a way that allows for 30 people to function in a room built for 20. I don't sell software, but I have to sell myself to get grants and donations. I don't dig ditches, but I do have to work with my hands often doing physical labor because we don't have enough custodians.

Again, the fact that the PP had to go to such hyperspecialized occupations to find things that aren't part of our job is only further proving the point of how many things we have to do.

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Anonymous wrote:Returning to this thread:

If you read the first 20-odd pages, there are a lot of people saying that indeed teachers do work hard. The first few posts are about how people DO, in fact, acknowledge how hard teachers work.

There are a couple of posters who did poop on teachers, true.

There were also posters that said, "hey we are all overworked." (Which is not saying that teachers AREN'T overworked, its' saying other people are overworked as well.)

There are also a couple of teachers who are ridiculously dug in to the narrative that they have the hardest job ever (worse apparently than poop scuba divers).

Oh yeah, there's the "parents suck" teacher as well, who always chimes in to just keep everything positive.

This is just a summary so no one thinks this entire thread is just "teachers have easy jobs."

Yet there are plenty of posts that refuse to acknowledge that teaching can be demanding, and the tired “but summers” argument is the usual go-to.

There are staggering misconceptions about teaching throughout this thread. I wouldn’t presume to know what it’s like to be a doctor or a “poop scuba diver,” but it’s clearly okay to assume what teaching is like. We’ve all been in classrooms, after all. We’ve all seen teachers in our daily lives. I guess that makes all of us on this thread clear experts in the education field. Sigh.

There is one (hopefully one) teacher who is suggesting that indeed they do know what every job entails, and that they do all of it as a teacher. And upthread there are plenty of comments where teachers presume to know what other jobs do or what the conditions are (and why their jobs are worse). This is part of why this thread won't die.

I think the main problem, as described numerous times upthread, is the phrasing of the OP. It's such a "what about me?" statement, despite the fact that there are teacher appreciation weeks, national news articles about teachers being overworked (suggesting they acknowledge that teachers are overworked), threads all the time here about how to appreciate teachers, etc.

DP. I'm assuming that poster is a troll, because I don't think anyone with more than a high school education would actually believe that poop divers and teachers have overlapping sanitation skills.

Not a troll and if you think I haven't had to clean up pretty much every bodily function out of my classroom you'd be wrong. I'm not diving 20,000 leagues to get it, but it is there on occasion.

Right, yes…this is a completely, COMPLETELY different story. Not even close to comparable. That you would imply that is laughable…what grade do you teach?

Also, like...it's not even unique? Most of us here are parents. We've all seen blowouts. Are we supposed to be impressed by the fact that you've dealt with poop?

DP but are you really going to equate handling your own infant's diaper changes with the poop of an elementary schooler unrelated to you? Classic case of parents thinking they do everything teachers do... but don't you dare close the schools during a pandemic, we need that babysitting

I think you missed the original comparison being made. Let me help!!

Cleaning up the poop of a child by an adult, either a parent or a teacher: relatively similar task. Swimming in poopie while wielding a fiery tool: not similar to either of the above. Hopefully you understand now. You're welcome!

Not a troll checking in. The fact that you have to go as extreme as a scuba welder to try to find something we don't do is proving my original point. The fact that you think its acceptable that someone with a masters has to clean up strangers childs poop are comparing it to cleaning up after your own kid, aka parenting, is even better.

???? There were SO many other examples provided (…at which point the teacher PP - who kept demanding examples of skills people performed in other jobs that she doesn’t perform as a teacher, INSISTENT that she does everything every other jobs does - slunk off with simply “I don’t have time to respond to this, I have papers to grade”…lol). Please read the context, as you would - I sincerely hope - teach a student to do.

The poop scuba diver point is here because the teacher claimed that since she occasionally deals with poop in her (…above water. Lol.) classroom, she does the same thing as the poop scuba diver. Idiocy

I decided to go back and look at that list. Some of it (flying airplanes, designing architecture, performing surgery) I feel are clearly cherrypicked to be specialized. The greater point is that we do components of many jobs. I'm not designing architecture, but I have to set up my classroom in a way that allows for 30 people to function in a room built for 20. I don't sell software, but I have to sell myself to get grants and donations. I don't dig ditches, but I do have to work with my hands often doing physical labor because we don't have enough custodians.

Again, the fact that the PP had to go to such hyperspecialized occupations to find things that aren't part of our job is only further proving the point of how many things we have to do.

That’s true of many jobs. A hairdresser is part psychiatrist, part counselor, part janitor, part accountant, part building super, part sales person, part cleaner, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:I wish I became a teacher, especially in a LCOL area. 7:30am-3:00pm workday, a gazillion days off, summers off, weekends off.

Trolling?

If it were this great of a job, would we all be leaving?

I never work 7:30-3. Maybe 6:30-4:30, and again from 7-9. Daily. Weekends off? No, that’s grading time. Summers? Unpaid, not “off.”

Oh please. You are spending a few hours on the weekends grading papers in your sweatpants while you watch Netflix. Plenty of people have to put in overtime and weekend hours actually AT work, fully on the job, and they can’t take every holiday, weekend, and summer off, even unpaid. It isn’t even an option. You want to take 8 weeks off from most other job, and aren’t using FMLA, you’ll be fired and replaced. Teachers work hard, but not harder than most other job. They have a comparable workload to many many other jobs. Plus a lot more time off.

140 essays x 15 minutes an essay = 2100 minutes of grading = 35 hours for THAT ASSIGNMENT ALONE

This doesn’t include the 30 hours with students each week, or the 5-6 hours of planning, or the 3-4 hours of meetings, or the other assignments I’m grading, or the hours of emails, report writing, etc.

I get those back within 10 days and then assign another.

Don’t insult me with your “few hours… watching Netflix.”

I am an INCH away from quitting right now. I won’t quit because of you and your ignorance of my working conditions, but I will quit because I have no work/life balance.

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Anonymous wrote:Returning to this thread:

If you read the first 20-odd pages, there are a lot of people saying that indeed teachers do work hard. The first few posts are about how people DO, in fact, acknowledge how hard teachers work.

There are a couple of posters who did poop on teachers, true.

There were also posters that said, "hey we are all overworked." (Which is not saying that teachers AREN'T overworked, its' saying other people are overworked as well.)

There are also a couple of teachers who are ridiculously dug in to the narrative that they have the hardest job ever (worse apparently than poop scuba divers).

Oh yeah, there's the "parents suck" teacher as well, who always chimes in to just keep everything positive.

This is just a summary so no one thinks this entire thread is just "teachers have easy jobs."

Yet there are plenty of posts that refuse to acknowledge that teaching can be demanding, and the tired “but summers” argument is the usual go-to.

There are staggering misconceptions about teaching throughout this thread. I wouldn’t presume to know what it’s like to be a doctor or a “poop scuba diver,” but it’s clearly okay to assume what teaching is like. We’ve all been in classrooms, after all. We’ve all seen teachers in our daily lives. I guess that makes all of us on this thread clear experts in the education field. Sigh.

There is one (hopefully one) teacher who is suggesting that indeed they do know what every job entails, and that they do all of it as a teacher. And upthread there are plenty of comments where teachers presume to know what other jobs do or what the conditions are (and why their jobs are worse). This is part of why this thread won't die.

I think the main problem, as described numerous times upthread, is the phrasing of the OP. It's such a "what about me?" statement, despite the fact that there are teacher appreciation weeks, national news articles about teachers being overworked (suggesting they acknowledge that teachers are overworked), threads all the time here about how to appreciate teachers, etc.

DP. I'm assuming that poster is a troll, because I don't think anyone with more than a high school education would actually believe that poop divers and teachers have overlapping sanitation skills.

Not a troll and if you think I haven't had to clean up pretty much every bodily function out of my classroom you'd be wrong. I'm not diving 20,000 leagues to get it, but it is there on occasion.

Right, yes…this is a completely, COMPLETELY different story. Not even close to comparable. That you would imply that is laughable…what grade do you teach?

Also, like...it's not even unique? Most of us here are parents. We've all seen blowouts. Are we supposed to be impressed by the fact that you've dealt with poop?

DP but are you really going to equate handling your own infant's diaper changes with the poop of an elementary schooler unrelated to you? Classic case of parents thinking they do everything teachers do... but don't you dare close the schools during a pandemic, we need that babysitting

I think you missed the original comparison being made. Let me help!!

Cleaning up the poop of a child by an adult, either a parent or a teacher: relatively similar task. Swimming in poopie while wielding a fiery tool: not similar to either of the above. Hopefully you understand now. You're welcome!

Not a troll checking in. The fact that you have to go as extreme as a scuba welder to try to find something we don't do is proving my original point. The fact that you think its acceptable that someone with a masters has to clean up strangers childs poop are comparing it to cleaning up after your own kid, aka parenting, is even better.

???? There were SO many other examples provided (…at which point the teacher PP - who kept demanding examples of skills people performed in other jobs that she doesn’t perform as a teacher, INSISTENT that she does everything every other jobs does - slunk off with simply “I don’t have time to respond to this, I have papers to grade”…lol). Please read the context, as you would - I sincerely hope - teach a student to do.

The poop scuba diver point is here because the teacher claimed that since she occasionally deals with poop in her (…above water. Lol.) classroom, she does the same thing as the poop scuba diver. Idiocy

I decided to go back and look at that list. Some of it (flying airplanes, designing architecture, performing surgery) I feel are clearly cherrypicked to be specialized. The greater point is that we do components of many jobs. I'm not designing architecture, but I have to set up my classroom in a way that allows for 30 people to function in a room built for 20. I don't sell software, but I have to sell myself to get grants and donations. I don't dig ditches, but I do have to work with my hands often doing physical labor because we don't have enough custodians.

Again, the fact that the PP had to go to such hyperspecialized occupations to find things that aren't part of our job is only further proving the point of how many things we have to do.

Uhhhh yeah, so does everyone…

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Anonymous wrote:Returning to this thread:

If you read the first 20-odd pages, there are a lot of people saying that indeed teachers do work hard. The first few posts are about how people DO, in fact, acknowledge how hard teachers work.

There are a couple of posters who did poop on teachers, true.

There were also posters that said, "hey we are all overworked." (Which is not saying that teachers AREN'T overworked, its' saying other people are overworked as well.)

There are also a couple of teachers who are ridiculously dug in to the narrative that they have the hardest job ever (worse apparently than poop scuba divers).

Oh yeah, there's the "parents suck" teacher as well, who always chimes in to just keep everything positive.

This is just a summary so no one thinks this entire thread is just "teachers have easy jobs."

Yet there are plenty of posts that refuse to acknowledge that teaching can be demanding, and the tired “but summers” argument is the usual go-to.

There are staggering misconceptions about teaching throughout this thread. I wouldn’t presume to know what it’s like to be a doctor or a “poop scuba diver,” but it’s clearly okay to assume what teaching is like. We’ve all been in classrooms, after all. We’ve all seen teachers in our daily lives. I guess that makes all of us on this thread clear experts in the education field. Sigh.

There is one (hopefully one) teacher who is suggesting that indeed they do know what every job entails, and that they do all of it as a teacher. And upthread there are plenty of comments where teachers presume to know what other jobs do or what the conditions are (and why their jobs are worse). This is part of why this thread won't die.

I think the main problem, as described numerous times upthread, is the phrasing of the OP. It's such a "what about me?" statement, despite the fact that there are teacher appreciation weeks, national news articles about teachers being overworked (suggesting they acknowledge that teachers are overworked), threads all the time here about how to appreciate teachers, etc.

DP. I'm assuming that poster is a troll, because I don't think anyone with more than a high school education would actually believe that poop divers and teachers have overlapping sanitation skills.

Not a troll and if you think I haven't had to clean up pretty much every bodily function out of my classroom you'd be wrong. I'm not diving 20,000 leagues to get it, but it is there on occasion.

Right, yes…this is a completely, COMPLETELY different story. Not even close to comparable. That you would imply that is laughable…what grade do you teach?

Also, like...it's not even unique? Most of us here are parents. We've all seen blowouts. Are we supposed to be impressed by the fact that you've dealt with poop?

DP but are you really going to equate handling your own infant's diaper changes with the poop of an elementary schooler unrelated to you? Classic case of parents thinking they do everything teachers do... but don't you dare close the schools during a pandemic, we need that babysitting

I think you missed the original comparison being made. Let me help!!

Cleaning up the poop of a child by an adult, either a parent or a teacher: relatively similar task. Swimming in poopie while wielding a fiery tool: not similar to either of the above. Hopefully you understand now. You're welcome!

Not a troll checking in. The fact that you have to go as extreme as a scuba welder to try to find something we don't do is proving my original point. The fact that you think its acceptable that someone with a masters has to clean up strangers childs poop are comparing it to cleaning up after your own kid, aka parenting, is even better.

???? There were SO many other examples provided (…at which point the teacher PP - who kept demanding examples of skills people performed in other jobs that she doesn’t perform as a teacher, INSISTENT that she does everything every other jobs does - slunk off with simply “I don’t have time to respond to this, I have papers to grade”…lol). Please read the context, as you would - I sincerely hope - teach a student to do.

The poop scuba diver point is here because the teacher claimed that since she occasionally deals with poop in her (…above water. Lol.) classroom, she does the same thing as the poop scuba diver. Idiocy

I decided to go back and look at that list. Some of it (flying airplanes, designing architecture, performing surgery) I feel are clearly cherrypicked to be specialized. The greater point is that we do components of many jobs. I'm not designing architecture, but I have to set up my classroom in a way that allows for 30 people to function in a room built for 20. I don't sell software, but I have to sell myself to get grants and donations. I don't dig ditches, but I do have to work with my hands often doing physical labor because we don't have enough custodians.

Again, the fact that the PP had to go to such hyperspecialized occupations to find things that aren't part of our job is only further proving the point of how many things we have to do.

Omg hahahaahhshs. I am dying. Surely you cannot be serious right now….lollll. Take a step back and muster up a wee bit of self awareness, you sound NUTS.

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Anonymous wrote:Returning to this thread:

If you read the first 20-odd pages, there are a lot of people saying that indeed teachers do work hard. The first few posts are about how people DO, in fact, acknowledge how hard teachers work.

There are a couple of posters who did poop on teachers, true.

There were also posters that said, "hey we are all overworked." (Which is not saying that teachers AREN'T overworked, its' saying other people are overworked as well.)

There are also a couple of teachers who are ridiculously dug in to the narrative that they have the hardest job ever (worse apparently than poop scuba divers).

Oh yeah, there's the "parents suck" teacher as well, who always chimes in to just keep everything positive.

This is just a summary so no one thinks this entire thread is just "teachers have easy jobs."

Yet there are plenty of posts that refuse to acknowledge that teaching can be demanding, and the tired “but summers” argument is the usual go-to.

There are staggering misconceptions about teaching throughout this thread. I wouldn’t presume to know what it’s like to be a doctor or a “poop scuba diver,” but it’s clearly okay to assume what teaching is like. We’ve all been in classrooms, after all. We’ve all seen teachers in our daily lives. I guess that makes all of us on this thread clear experts in the education field. Sigh.

There is one (hopefully one) teacher who is suggesting that indeed they do know what every job entails, and that they do all of it as a teacher. And upthread there are plenty of comments where teachers presume to know what other jobs do or what the conditions are (and why their jobs are worse). This is part of why this thread won't die.

I think the main problem, as described numerous times upthread, is the phrasing of the OP. It's such a "what about me?" statement, despite the fact that there are teacher appreciation weeks, national news articles about teachers being overworked (suggesting they acknowledge that teachers are overworked), threads all the time here about how to appreciate teachers, etc.

DP. I'm assuming that poster is a troll, because I don't think anyone with more than a high school education would actually believe that poop divers and teachers have overlapping sanitation skills.

Not a troll and if you think I haven't had to clean up pretty much every bodily function out of my classroom you'd be wrong. I'm not diving 20,000 leagues to get it, but it is there on occasion.

Right, yes…this is a completely, COMPLETELY different story. Not even close to comparable. That you would imply that is laughable…what grade do you teach?

Also, like...it's not even unique? Most of us here are parents. We've all seen blowouts. Are we supposed to be impressed by the fact that you've dealt with poop?

DP but are you really going to equate handling your own infant's diaper changes with the poop of an elementary schooler unrelated to you? Classic case of parents thinking they do everything teachers do... but don't you dare close the schools during a pandemic, we need that babysitting

I think you missed the original comparison being made. Let me help!!

Cleaning up the poop of a child by an adult, either a parent or a teacher: relatively similar task. Swimming in poopie while wielding a fiery tool: not similar to either of the above. Hopefully you understand now. You're welcome!

Not a troll checking in. The fact that you have to go as extreme as a scuba welder to try to find something we don't do is proving my original point. The fact that you think its acceptable that someone with a masters has to clean up strangers childs poop are comparing it to cleaning up after your own kid, aka parenting, is even better.

???? There were SO many other examples provided (…at which point the teacher PP - who kept demanding examples of skills people performed in other jobs that she doesn’t perform as a teacher, INSISTENT that she does everything every other jobs does - slunk off with simply “I don’t have time to respond to this, I have papers to grade”…lol). Please read the context, as you would - I sincerely hope - teach a student to do.

The poop scuba diver point is here because the teacher claimed that since she occasionally deals with poop in her (…above water. Lol.) classroom, she does the same thing as the poop scuba diver. Idiocy

I decided to go back and look at that list. Some of it (flying airplanes, designing architecture, performing surgery) I feel are clearly cherrypicked to be specialized. The greater point is that we do components of many jobs. I'm not designing architecture, but I have to set up my classroom in a way that allows for 30 people to function in a room built for 20. I don't sell software, but I have to sell myself to get grants and donations. I don't dig ditches, but I do have to work with my hands often doing physical labor because we don't have enough custodians.

Again, the fact that the PP had to go to such hyperspecialized occupations to find things that aren't part of our job is only further proving the point of how many things we have to do.

Omg hahahaahhshs. I am dying. Surely you cannot be serious right now….lollll. Take a step back and muster up a wee bit of self awareness, you sound NUTS.

PP who is a teacher:
Another teacher here. This poster won’t understand your point because he has never been responsible for a classroom. I do understand your point, and I don’t think you sound nuts. I know exactly what you mean.

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Anonymous wrote:Returning to this thread:

If you read the first 20-odd pages, there are a lot of people saying that indeed teachers do work hard. The first few posts are about how people DO, in fact, acknowledge how hard teachers work.

There are a couple of posters who did poop on teachers, true.

There were also posters that said, "hey we are all overworked." (Which is not saying that teachers AREN'T overworked, its' saying other people are overworked as well.)

There are also a couple of teachers who are ridiculously dug in to the narrative that they have the hardest job ever (worse apparently than poop scuba divers).

Oh yeah, there's the "parents suck" teacher as well, who always chimes in to just keep everything positive.

This is just a summary so no one thinks this entire thread is just "teachers have easy jobs."

Yet there are plenty of posts that refuse to acknowledge that teaching can be demanding, and the tired “but summers” argument is the usual go-to.

There are staggering misconceptions about teaching throughout this thread. I wouldn’t presume to know what it’s like to be a doctor or a “poop scuba diver,” but it’s clearly okay to assume what teaching is like. We’ve all been in classrooms, after all. We’ve all seen teachers in our daily lives. I guess that makes all of us on this thread clear experts in the education field. Sigh.

There is one (hopefully one) teacher who is suggesting that indeed they do know what every job entails, and that they do all of it as a teacher. And upthread there are plenty of comments where teachers presume to know what other jobs do or what the conditions are (and why their jobs are worse). This is part of why this thread won't die.

I think the main problem, as described numerous times upthread, is the phrasing of the OP. It's such a "what about me?" statement, despite the fact that there are teacher appreciation weeks, national news articles about teachers being overworked (suggesting they acknowledge that teachers are overworked), threads all the time here about how to appreciate teachers, etc.

DP. I'm assuming that poster is a troll, because I don't think anyone with more than a high school education would actually believe that poop divers and teachers have overlapping sanitation skills.

Not a troll and if you think I haven't had to clean up pretty much every bodily function out of my classroom you'd be wrong. I'm not diving 20,000 leagues to get it, but it is there on occasion.

Right, yes…this is a completely, COMPLETELY different story. Not even close to comparable. That you would imply that is laughable…what grade do you teach?

Also, like...it's not even unique? Most of us here are parents. We've all seen blowouts. Are we supposed to be impressed by the fact that you've dealt with poop?

DP but are you really going to equate handling your own infant's diaper changes with the poop of an elementary schooler unrelated to you? Classic case of parents thinking they do everything teachers do... but don't you dare close the schools during a pandemic, we need that babysitting

I think you missed the original comparison being made. Let me help!!

Cleaning up the poop of a child by an adult, either a parent or a teacher: relatively similar task. Swimming in poopie while wielding a fiery tool: not similar to either of the above. Hopefully you understand now. You're welcome!

Not a troll checking in. The fact that you have to go as extreme as a scuba welder to try to find something we don't do is proving my original point. The fact that you think its acceptable that someone with a masters has to clean up strangers childs poop are comparing it to cleaning up after your own kid, aka parenting, is even better.

???? There were SO many other examples provided (…at which point the teacher PP - who kept demanding examples of skills people performed in other jobs that she doesn’t perform as a teacher, INSISTENT that she does everything every other jobs does - slunk off with simply “I don’t have time to respond to this, I have papers to grade”…lol). Please read the context, as you would - I sincerely hope - teach a student to do.

The poop scuba diver point is here because the teacher claimed that since she occasionally deals with poop in her (…above water. Lol.) classroom, she does the same thing as the poop scuba diver. Idiocy

I decided to go back and look at that list. Some of it (flying airplanes, designing architecture, performing surgery) I feel are clearly cherrypicked to be specialized. The greater point is that we do components of many jobs. I'm not designing architecture, but I have to set up my classroom in a way that allows for 30 people to function in a room built for 20. I don't sell software, but I have to sell myself to get grants and donations. I don't dig ditches, but I do have to work with my hands often doing physical labor because we don't have enough custodians.

Again, the fact that the PP had to go to such hyperspecialized occupations to find things that aren't part of our job is only further proving the point of how many things we have to do.

Omg hahahaahhshs. I am dying. Surely you cannot be serious right now….lollll. Take a step back and muster up a wee bit of self awareness, you sound NUTS.

PP who is a teacher:
Another teacher here. This poster won’t understand your point because he has never been responsible for a classroom. I do understand your point, and I don’t think you sound nuts. I know exactly what you mean.

I appreciate it but its okay. I've learned that most of DCUMs demo is UMC suburban folks, which means that not only do they have a skewed perception of what schools look like from a parent perspective, but they were more likely to have idyllic memories of their own time in school. I get that the perception is hard to change so I'm cool to come on here and share my experiences even if it makes a few of them go bonkers.

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If you read the first 20-odd pages, there are a lot of people saying that indeed teachers do work hard. The first few posts are about how people DO, in fact, acknowledge how hard teachers work.

There are a couple of posters who did poop on teachers, true.

There were also posters that said, "hey we are all overworked." (Which is not saying that teachers AREN'T overworked, its' saying other people are overworked as well.)

There are also a couple of teachers who are ridiculously dug in to the narrative that they have the hardest job ever (worse apparently than poop scuba divers).

Oh yeah, there's the "parents suck" teacher as well, who always chimes in to just keep everything positive.

This is just a summary so no one thinks this entire thread is just "teachers have easy jobs."

Yet there are plenty of posts that refuse to acknowledge that teaching can be demanding, and the tired “but summers” argument is the usual go-to.

There are staggering misconceptions about teaching throughout this thread. I wouldn’t presume to know what it’s like to be a doctor or a “poop scuba diver,” but it’s clearly okay to assume what teaching is like. We’ve all been in classrooms, after all. We’ve all seen teachers in our daily lives. I guess that makes all of us on this thread clear experts in the education field. Sigh.

There is one (hopefully one) teacher who is suggesting that indeed they do know what every job entails, and that they do all of it as a teacher. And upthread there are plenty of comments where teachers presume to know what other jobs do or what the conditions are (and why their jobs are worse). This is part of why this thread won't die.

I think the main problem, as described numerous times upthread, is the phrasing of the OP. It's such a "what about me?" statement, despite the fact that there are teacher appreciation weeks, national news articles about teachers being overworked (suggesting they acknowledge that teachers are overworked), threads all the time here about how to appreciate teachers, etc.

DP. I'm assuming that poster is a troll, because I don't think anyone with more than a high school education would actually believe that poop divers and teachers have overlapping sanitation skills.

Not a troll and if you think I haven't had to clean up pretty much every bodily function out of my classroom you'd be wrong. I'm not diving 20,000 leagues to get it, but it is there on occasion.

Right, yes…this is a completely, COMPLETELY different story. Not even close to comparable. That you would imply that is laughable…what grade do you teach?

Also, like...it's not even unique? Most of us here are parents. We've all seen blowouts. Are we supposed to be impressed by the fact that you've dealt with poop?

DP but are you really going to equate handling your own infant's diaper changes with the poop of an elementary schooler unrelated to you? Classic case of parents thinking they do everything teachers do... but don't you dare close the schools during a pandemic, we need that babysitting

I think you missed the original comparison being made. Let me help!!

Cleaning up the poop of a child by an adult, either a parent or a teacher: relatively similar task. Swimming in poopie while wielding a fiery tool: not similar to either of the above. Hopefully you understand now. You're welcome!

Not a troll checking in. The fact that you have to go as extreme as a scuba welder to try to find something we don't do is proving my original point. The fact that you think its acceptable that someone with a masters has to clean up strangers childs poop are comparing it to cleaning up after your own kid, aka parenting, is even better.

???? There were SO many other examples provided (…at which point the teacher PP - who kept demanding examples of skills people performed in other jobs that she doesn’t perform as a teacher, INSISTENT that she does everything every other jobs does - slunk off with simply “I don’t have time to respond to this, I have papers to grade”…lol). Please read the context, as you would - I sincerely hope - teach a student to do.

The poop scuba diver point is here because the teacher claimed that since she occasionally deals with poop in her (…above water. Lol.) classroom, she does the same thing as the poop scuba diver. Idiocy

I decided to go back and look at that list. Some of it (flying airplanes, designing architecture, performing surgery) I feel are clearly cherrypicked to be specialized. The greater point is that we do components of many jobs. I'm not designing architecture, but I have to set up my classroom in a way that allows for 30 people to function in a room built for 20. I don't sell software, but I have to sell myself to get grants and donations. I don't dig ditches, but I do have to work with my hands often doing physical labor because we don't have enough custodians.

Again, the fact that the PP had to go to such hyperspecialized occupations to find things that aren't part of our job is only further proving the point of how many things we have to do.

Uhhhh yeah, so does everyone…

I don't know if that's necessarily true.
My job is to educate children by delivering lessons, and then evaluating student performance of the content.
A pilot (using one example) has a job of flying an airplane.
A surgeon (using another) is responsible for surgery.

Which of these jobs has to also be responsible for emailing our clienteles families, writing recommendations for our clients, cleaning up the bodily functions of our clients, submitting grants for materials to support our clients, rearranging the furniture so that our clients can successfully function, make sure that 30 clients at a time are getting exactly what they need even though what some need directly contradict what other need, have to prepare presentations on a DAILY basis for our clients (understanding that surgeons probably have to do this for conferences/publishing), and I'm sure there are many more I'm not thinking of.

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I think it is important to point out that teachers have very little control. A Pilot can choose not to take off if their is a problem. He can remove problem passengers. A surgeon can choose who he wants to operate on. Teachers have very little choice day to day. Other people facing positions face similar stresses. This is why teaching is often compared to stressful nursing positions. Very little control compared to most jobs.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it is important to point out that teachers have very little control. A Pilot can choose not to take off if their is a problem. He can remove problem passengers. A surgeon can choose who he wants to operate on. Teachers have very little choice day to day. Other people facing positions face similar stresses. This is why teaching is often compared to stressful nursing positions. Very little control compared to most jobs.

See, stop pretending you know what other jobs are like. I get that this whole thread has been comparisons between jobs, and a lot of those comparisons are disparaging to teachers, but you aren't helping.

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If you read the first 20-odd pages, there are a lot of people saying that indeed teachers do work hard. The first few posts are about how people DO, in fact, acknowledge how hard teachers work.

There are a couple of posters who did poop on teachers, true.

There were also posters that said, "hey we are all overworked." (Which is not saying that teachers AREN'T overworked, its' saying other people are overworked as well.)

There are also a couple of teachers who are ridiculously dug in to the narrative that they have the hardest job ever (worse apparently than poop scuba divers).

Oh yeah, there's the "parents suck" teacher as well, who always chimes in to just keep everything positive.

This is just a summary so no one thinks this entire thread is just "teachers have easy jobs."

Yet there are plenty of posts that refuse to acknowledge that teaching can be demanding, and the tired “but summers” argument is the usual go-to.

There are staggering misconceptions about teaching throughout this thread. I wouldn’t presume to know what it’s like to be a doctor or a “poop scuba diver,” but it’s clearly okay to assume what teaching is like. We’ve all been in classrooms, after all. We’ve all seen teachers in our daily lives. I guess that makes all of us on this thread clear experts in the education field. Sigh.

There is one (hopefully one) teacher who is suggesting that indeed they do know what every job entails, and that they do all of it as a teacher. And upthread there are plenty of comments where teachers presume to know what other jobs do or what the conditions are (and why their jobs are worse). This is part of why this thread won't die.

I think the main problem, as described numerous times upthread, is the phrasing of the OP. It's such a "what about me?" statement, despite the fact that there are teacher appreciation weeks, national news articles about teachers being overworked (suggesting they acknowledge that teachers are overworked), threads all the time here about how to appreciate teachers, etc.

DP. I'm assuming that poster is a troll, because I don't think anyone with more than a high school education would actually believe that poop divers and teachers have overlapping sanitation skills.

Not a troll and if you think I haven't had to clean up pretty much every bodily function out of my classroom you'd be wrong. I'm not diving 20,000 leagues to get it, but it is there on occasion.

Right, yes…this is a completely, COMPLETELY different story. Not even close to comparable. That you would imply that is laughable…what grade do you teach?

Also, like...it's not even unique? Most of us here are parents. We've all seen blowouts. Are we supposed to be impressed by the fact that you've dealt with poop?

DP but are you really going to equate handling your own infant's diaper changes with the poop of an elementary schooler unrelated to you? Classic case of parents thinking they do everything teachers do... but don't you dare close the schools during a pandemic, we need that babysitting

I think you missed the original comparison being made. Let me help!!

Cleaning up the poop of a child by an adult, either a parent or a teacher: relatively similar task. Swimming in poopie while wielding a fiery tool: not similar to either of the above. Hopefully you understand now. You're welcome!

Not a troll checking in. The fact that you have to go as extreme as a scuba welder to try to find something we don't do is proving my original point. The fact that you think its acceptable that someone with a masters has to clean up strangers childs poop are comparing it to cleaning up after your own kid, aka parenting, is even better.

???? There were SO many other examples provided (…at which point the teacher PP - who kept demanding examples of skills people performed in other jobs that she doesn’t perform as a teacher, INSISTENT that she does everything every other jobs does - slunk off with simply “I don’t have time to respond to this, I have papers to grade”…lol). Please read the context, as you would - I sincerely hope - teach a student to do.

The poop scuba diver point is here because the teacher claimed that since she occasionally deals with poop in her (…above water. Lol.) classroom, she does the same thing as the poop scuba diver. Idiocy

I decided to go back and look at that list. Some of it (flying airplanes, designing architecture, performing surgery) I feel are clearly cherrypicked to be specialized. The greater point is that we do components of many jobs. I'm not designing architecture, but I have to set up my classroom in a way that allows for 30 people to function in a room built for 20. I don't sell software, but I have to sell myself to get grants and donations. I don't dig ditches, but I do have to work with my hands often doing physical labor because we don't have enough custodians.

Again, the fact that the PP had to go to such hyperspecialized occupations to find things that aren't part of our job is only further proving the point of how many things we have to do.

Uhhhh yeah, so does everyone…

I don't know if that's necessarily true.
My job is to educate children by delivering lessons, and then evaluating student performance of the content.
A pilot (using one example) has a job of flying an airplane.
A surgeon (using another) is responsible for surgery.

Which of these jobs has to also be responsible for emailing our clienteles families, writing recommendations for our clients, cleaning up the bodily functions of our clients, submitting grants for materials to support our clients, rearranging the furniture so that our clients can successfully function, make sure that 30 clients at a time are getting exactly what they need even though what some need directly contradict what other need, have to prepare presentations on a DAILY basis for our clients (understanding that surgeons probably have to do this for conferences/publishing), and I'm sure there are many more I'm not thinking of.

Just stop. We've been through this. Most jobs require many general skills. So does yours. Teaching isn't special in that it requires many general skills.

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If you read the first 20-odd pages, there are a lot of people saying that indeed teachers do work hard. The first few posts are about how people DO, in fact, acknowledge how hard teachers work.

There are a couple of posters who did poop on teachers, true.

There were also posters that said, "hey we are all overworked." (Which is not saying that teachers AREN'T overworked, its' saying other people are overworked as well.)

There are also a couple of teachers who are ridiculously dug in to the narrative that they have the hardest job ever (worse apparently than poop scuba divers).

Oh yeah, there's the "parents suck" teacher as well, who always chimes in to just keep everything positive.

This is just a summary so no one thinks this entire thread is just "teachers have easy jobs."

Yet there are plenty of posts that refuse to acknowledge that teaching can be demanding, and the tired “but summers” argument is the usual go-to.

There are staggering misconceptions about teaching throughout this thread. I wouldn’t presume to know what it’s like to be a doctor or a “poop scuba diver,” but it’s clearly okay to assume what teaching is like. We’ve all been in classrooms, after all. We’ve all seen teachers in our daily lives. I guess that makes all of us on this thread clear experts in the education field. Sigh.

There is one (hopefully one) teacher who is suggesting that indeed they do know what every job entails, and that they do all of it as a teacher. And upthread there are plenty of comments where teachers presume to know what other jobs do or what the conditions are (and why their jobs are worse). This is part of why this thread won't die.

I think the main problem, as described numerous times upthread, is the phrasing of the OP. It's such a "what about me?" statement, despite the fact that there are teacher appreciation weeks, national news articles about teachers being overworked (suggesting they acknowledge that teachers are overworked), threads all the time here about how to appreciate teachers, etc.

DP. I'm assuming that poster is a troll, because I don't think anyone with more than a high school education would actually believe that poop divers and teachers have overlapping sanitation skills.

Not a troll and if you think I haven't had to clean up pretty much every bodily function out of my classroom you'd be wrong. I'm not diving 20,000 leagues to get it, but it is there on occasion.

Right, yes…this is a completely, COMPLETELY different story. Not even close to comparable. That you would imply that is laughable…what grade do you teach?

Also, like...it's not even unique? Most of us here are parents. We've all seen blowouts. Are we supposed to be impressed by the fact that you've dealt with poop?

DP but are you really going to equate handling your own infant's diaper changes with the poop of an elementary schooler unrelated to you? Classic case of parents thinking they do everything teachers do... but don't you dare close the schools during a pandemic, we need that babysitting

I think you missed the original comparison being made. Let me help!!

Cleaning up the poop of a child by an adult, either a parent or a teacher: relatively similar task. Swimming in poopie while wielding a fiery tool: not similar to either of the above. Hopefully you understand now. You're welcome!

Not a troll checking in. The fact that you have to go as extreme as a scuba welder to try to find something we don't do is proving my original point. The fact that you think its acceptable that someone with a masters has to clean up strangers childs poop are comparing it to cleaning up after your own kid, aka parenting, is even better.

???? There were SO many other examples provided (…at which point the teacher PP - who kept demanding examples of skills people performed in other jobs that she doesn’t perform as a teacher, INSISTENT that she does everything every other jobs does - slunk off with simply “I don’t have time to respond to this, I have papers to grade”…lol). Please read the context, as you would - I sincerely hope - teach a student to do.

The poop scuba diver point is here because the teacher claimed that since she occasionally deals with poop in her (…above water. Lol.) classroom, she does the same thing as the poop scuba diver. Idiocy

I decided to go back and look at that list. Some of it (flying airplanes, designing architecture, performing surgery) I feel are clearly cherrypicked to be specialized. The greater point is that we do components of many jobs. I'm not designing architecture, but I have to set up my classroom in a way that allows for 30 people to function in a room built for 20. I don't sell software, but I have to sell myself to get grants and donations. I don't dig ditches, but I do have to work with my hands often doing physical labor because we don't have enough custodians.

Again, the fact that the PP had to go to such hyperspecialized occupations to find things that aren't part of our job is only further proving the point of how many things we have to do.

That list came about because someone demanded in multiple posts that people list skills/tasks that a teacher DOESN'T have to do. The teacher was adamant that they did EVERYTHING.

Gotta agree that you sound bonkers when you say you do the manual labor of a ditch digger as a teacher.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it is important to point out that teachers have very little control. A Pilot can choose not to take off if their is a problem. He can remove problem passengers. A surgeon can choose who he wants to operate on. Teachers have very little choice day to day. Other people facing positions face similar stresses. This is why teaching is often compared to stressful nursing positions. Very little control compared to most jobs.

See, stop pretending you know what other jobs are like. I get that this whole thread has been comparisons between jobs, and a lot of those comparisons are disparaging to teachers, but you aren't helping.

DP here.
Can non-teachers also stop assuming they know what it’s like to teach? That would be great! I’d love to stop reading about how easy my job is and how I get to enjoy some 3-month summer. (Neither is true.)

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I’m starting a MAT program in the fall to career-switch from consulting.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m starting a MAT program in the fall to career-switch from consulting.

Great! We are desperate for teachers since so many are quitting! Just come in prepared. Expect it to be physically, emotionally, and mentally exhausting. This is especially true of your first 2-3 years. We need you, though, and thank you!