Intubated ventilator in Coronavirus patients. Soultion or problem. Why not to use unintubated?

[Anonymous]

Considering the inherent risks that intubation carries and also limiting ability to cough when removing of
the debris from the lung is crucial in Corona.. perhaps this actually is more of a problem then the solution
an maybe cause some mortality if used in elderly and otherwise?


Is it dangerous to be intubated?
Intubation risks
injury to the throat or trachea. a buildup of too much fluid in organs or tissues. bleeding. lung complications or injury.Dec 12, 2017


Potential side effects and complications of intubation include:
damage to the vocal cords.
bleeding.
infection.
tearing or puncturing of tissue in the chest cavity that can lead to lung collapse.
injury to throat or trachea.
damage to dental work or injury to teeth.
fluid buildup.
aspiration.
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/323696

The incidence of VAP is 22.8% in patients receiving mechanical ventilation,3 and patients receiving ventilatory support account for 86% of the cases of nosocomial pneumonia. Furthermore, the risk for pneumonia increases 3- to 10-fold in patients receiving mechanical ventilation

https://aacnjournals.org/ccnonline/article-abstract/27/4/32/1032/Ventilator-Associated-PneumoniaRisk-Factors-and?redirectedFrom=fulltext

[Anonymous]

This is for medical people to hash out, not laypersons on dcum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is for medical people to hash out, not laypersons on dcum.

Why?
Do you know how may pateints DCUM lay people killed? None.. while the "medical people" have less then stellar record.
Perhaps we here can come up with something to help the medical people who are tied bond and limited
by all he limitations and help them to see something they can not see?

I admire your trust and all but if you at all dig statistics they you must have encountered this:

A recent Johns Hopkins study claims more than 250,000 people in the U.S. die every year from medical errors. Other reports claim the numbers to be as high as 440,000. Medical errors are the third-leading cause of death

[Anonymous]

Huh?

Doctors choose invasive ventilation over non-invasive ventilation when people's symptoms are too severe for NIV to save their lives.

Yes, invasive ventilation sucks. It's a terrible thing to do to people. But dying is generally considered worse.

[Anonymous]

Conquer correct spelling and clear writing.

And then come back here to conquer respiration technology.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is for medical people to hash out, not laypersons on dcum.

Why?
Do you know how may pateints DCUM lay people killed? None.. while the "medical people" have less then stellar record.
Perhaps we here can come up with something to help the medical people who are tied bond and limited
by all he limitations and help them to see something they can not see?

I admire your trust and all but if you at all dig statistics they you must have encountered this:

A recent Johns Hopkins study claims more than 250,000 people in the U.S. die every year from medical errors. Other reports claim the numbers to be as high as 440,000. Medical errors are the third-leading cause of death

And we all here are worrying about corona..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Conquer correct spelling and clear writing.

And then come back here to conquer respiration technology.

Conquer reading with an accente and your racisms and come back to our international community.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Conquer correct spelling and clear writing.

And then come back here to conquer respiration technology.

It might be too late for me to conquer that much but it is never to late for you to work on kindness! Dude.

[Anonymous]

The videos from Italian hospitals showed many people with clear balloon type equipment over their heads. it was some form of non intubated pressurized ventilation. I have never seen those here but maybe we have them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is for medical people to hash out, not laypersons on dcum.

Why?
Do you know how may pateints DCUM lay people killed? None.. while the "medical people" have less then stellar record.
Perhaps we here can come up with something to help the medical people who are tied bond and limited
by all he limitations and help them to see something they can not see?

I admire your trust and all but if you at all dig statistics they you must have encountered this:

A recent Johns Hopkins study claims more than 250,000 people in the U.S. die every year from medical errors. Other reports claim the numbers to be as high as 440,000. Medical errors are the third-leading cause of death

DP. Those stats are, as should be obvious, total bs.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/are-medical-errors-really-the-third-most-common-cause-of-death-in-the-u-s-2019-edition/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Conquer correct spelling and clear writing.

And then come back here to conquer respiration technology.

Two words for you sweetie pie.. ad hominem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is for medical people to hash out, not laypersons on dcum.

Why?
Do you know how may pateints DCUM lay people killed? None.. while the "medical people" have less then stellar record.
Perhaps we here can come up with something to help the medical people who are tied bond and limited
by all he limitations and help them to see something they can not see?

I admire your trust and all but if you at all dig statistics they you must have encountered this:

A recent Johns Hopkins study claims more than 250,000 people in the U.S. die every year from medical errors. Other reports claim the numbers to be as high as 440,000. Medical errors are the third-leading cause of death

DP. Those stats are, as should be obvious, total bs.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/are-medical-errors-really-the-third-most-common-cause-of-death-in-the-u-s-2019-edition/

Right back at you:

1. Johns Hopkins to you is a BS?.. reporting 250 000
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/study_suggests_medical_errors_now_third_leading_cause_of_death_in_the_us

2. Journal of Patients Safety reports 440 000
https://journals.lww.com/journalpatientsafety/Fulltext/2013/09000/A_New,_Evidence_based_Estimate_of_Patient_Harms.2.aspx

[Anonymous]

There is a study for every study proving the other study to be BS.. Believe what you want to believe.

[Anonymous]

I am going with doctors tried everything and what you are suggesting led to death.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is for medical people to hash out, not laypersons on dcum.

Why?
Do you know how may pateints DCUM lay people killed? None.. while the "medical people" have less then stellar record.
Perhaps we here can come up with something to help the medical people who are tied bond and limited
by all he limitations and help them to see something they can not see?

I admire your trust and all but if you at all dig statistics they you must have encountered this:

A recent Johns Hopkins study claims more than 250,000 people in the U.S. die every year from medical errors. Other reports claim the numbers to be as high as 440,000. Medical errors are the third-leading cause of death

DP. Those stats are, as should be obvious, total bs.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/are-medical-errors-really-the-third-most-common-cause-of-death-in-the-u-s-2019-edition/

Right back at you:

1. Johns Hopkins to you is a BS?.. reporting 250 000
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/media/releases/study_suggests_medical_errors_now_third_leading_cause_of_death_in_the_us

2. Journal of Patients Safety reports 440 000
https://journals.lww.com/journalpatientsafety/Fulltext/2013/09000/A_New,_Evidence_based_Estimate_of_Patient_Harms.2.aspx

Yes. Total bs.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2720915

There are less than 5000 medical errors per year as a cause of death, and the number has declined by 20% over the past 2 decades.