"Opening up" means risking your life

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“A Washington Post-Ipsos poll asked whether people preferred being more aggressive even if it means economic hardship OR opening businesses even if it means more infections.

People who have been laid off or furloughed are actually **more** in favor of staying aggressive.”


https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/washington-post-ipsos-coronavirus-employment-survey-april-27-may-4/4bd8dd8b-1257-4d5f-b3c1-0af6c38f060d/?itid=lk_inline_manual_2

What a stupid poll. How else would someone answer that the way it is phrased?

I think the choice between those two views sums up the two sides pretty well. How would you have phrased it?

Can't you see how slanted the language is

How about this

Studies have shown hospitalization rates for the majority of Americans from Covid 19 are extremely low. Job losses are worse than the great depression.

Given this should we

Slowly allow businesses to reopen so people can get back to work
Remain completely shutdown for 18 months until their is a vaccine

'Remain completely shutdown for 18 months until there is a vaccine' is not one of the options. You've changed the meaning to a more extreme view.

[Anonymous]

We were told to shut down in order to flatten the curve. As a nation, we complied.

Now, it seems, many governors have moved the goal posts. The curve has been flattened in most places around the country. The hospitals were not overwhelmed, we had an overabundance of ventilators, testing is up across the nation, and the spread has slowed. Yet, places with few or no cases are still being locked down in an unreasonable fashion.

We cannot wait for a vaccine or cure to open up. It is not feasible to the well being of most Americans.

We have learned how to protect ourselves. We have learned to wash our hands, maintain appropriate distance, and wear masks. But, crazy restrictions are still in place. Closing beaches is crazy. Evidence has shown that this virus does not spread easily outdoors and in heat.

And, as for masks.....

If they don't work, why are people being forced to wear them?
If they do work, why aren't more places opening up with limited restrictions?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We were told to shut down in order to flatten the curve. As a nation, we complied.

Now, it seems, many governors have moved the goal posts. The curve has been flattened in most places around the country. The hospitals were not overwhelmed, we had an overabundance of ventilators, testing is up across the nation, and the spread has slowed. Yet, places with few or no cases are still being locked down in an unreasonable fashion.

We cannot wait for a vaccine or cure to open up. It is not feasible to the well being of most Americans.

We have learned how to protect ourselves. We have learned to wash our hands, maintain appropriate distance, and wear masks. But, crazy restrictions are still in place. Closing beaches is crazy. Evidence has shown that this virus does not spread easily outdoors and in heat.

And, as for masks.....

If they don't work, why are people being forced to wear them?
If they do work, why aren't more places opening up with limited restrictions?

Where do you live?

[Anonymous]

What we need to ask ourselves is why South Korea has 300 deaths and an unemployment rate of 4%. while we are at 90,000 deaths and an unemployment rate of nearly 15%

Good governance matters.

We should not have to choose between our lives and our livelihood

We should be demanding more from our elected leaders: more testing, more contact tracing, more PPE, more coordination of public health efforts, honest and transparent accounting of all deaths everywhere

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We were told to shut down in order to flatten the curve. As a nation, we complied.

Now, it seems, many governors have moved the goal posts. The curve has been flattened in most places around the country. The hospitals were not overwhelmed, we had an overabundance of ventilators, testing is up across the nation, and the spread has slowed. Yet, places with few or no cases are still being locked down in an unreasonable fashion.

We cannot wait for a vaccine or cure to open up. It is not feasible to the well being of most Americans.

We have learned how to protect ourselves. We have learned to wash our hands, maintain appropriate distance, and wear masks. But, crazy restrictions are still in place. Closing beaches is crazy. Evidence has shown that this virus does not spread easily outdoors and in heat.

And, as for masks.....

If they don't work, why are people being forced to wear them?
If they do work, why aren't more places opening up with limited restrictions?

Where do you live?

In a southern state that has lifted most restrictions. All businesses are opened with safety precautions in place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What we need to ask ourselves is why South Korea has 300 deaths and an unemployment rate of 4%. while we are at 90,000 deaths and an unemployment rate of nearly 15%

Good governance matters.

We should not have to choose between our lives and our livelihood

We should be demanding more from our elected leaders: more testing, more contact tracing, more PPE, more coordination of public health efforts, honest and transparent accounting of all deaths everywhere

thanks for the latest D talking points again just like clockwork

South Korea has a healthier population, almost no brown people (Vitamin D) issue, and most importantly a collectivist society

testing doesn't matter if you are sick stay home
contact tracing doesn't matter the virus is everywhere
PPE eh wrap a rag around your face
coordination of public health efforts ok you got one right congrats
honest and transparent accounting of all deaths sure along with statistics showing deaths from this for generally healthy folks are insignificant and most are nursing home related

next

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What we need to ask ourselves is why South Korea has 300 deaths and an unemployment rate of 4%. while we are at 90,000 deaths and an unemployment rate of nearly 15%

Good governance matters.

We should not have to choose between our lives and our livelihood

We should be demanding more from our elected leaders: more testing, more contact tracing, more PPE, more coordination of public health efforts, honest and transparent accounting of all deaths everywhere

thanks for the latest D talking points again just like clockwork

South Korea has a healthier population, almost no brown people (Vitamin D) issue, and most importantly a collectivist society

testing doesn't matter if you are sick stay home
contact tracing doesn't matter the virus is everywhere
PPE eh wrap a rag around your face
coordination of public health efforts ok you got one right congrats
honest and transparent accounting of all deaths sure along with statistics showing deaths from this for generally healthy folks are insignificant and most are nursing home related

next

+1 good stuff

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We were told to shut down in order to flatten the curve. As a nation, we complied.

Now, it seems, many governors have moved the goal posts. The curve has been flattened in most places around the country. The hospitals were not overwhelmed, we had an overabundance of ventilators, testing is up across the nation, and the spread has slowed. Yet, places with few or no cases are still being locked down in an unreasonable fashion.

We cannot wait for a vaccine or cure to open up. It is not feasible to the well being of most Americans.

We have learned how to protect ourselves. We have learned to wash our hands, maintain appropriate distance, and wear masks. But, crazy restrictions are still in place. Closing beaches is crazy. Evidence has shown that this virus does not spread easily outdoors and in heat.

And, as for masks.....

If they don't work, why are people being forced to wear them?
If they do work, why aren't more places opening up with limited restrictions?

Where do you live?

In a southern state that has lifted most restrictions. All businesses are opened with safety precautions in place.

So why are you complaining if your area has reopened. Good for you. Let us know how it goes
I OTOH live in the DMV where most people rely on mass transit to get to work. The number of cases in the zip codes surrounding my home numbers in the thousands and three parents in our local high school died from Covid19 leaving 12 children without a parent. So I am grateful that our county will continue to restrict activities for a while longer

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Umm, you can open up the country and still keep people safe. It’s not a binary solution.

So what is your plan to protect people? More than 80,000 people are already dead.

Wear a mask, wash your hands, vote straight republican, and hold China accountable. That’s how you keep people safe.
Now open the damn country up.

Damn straight!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We were told to shut down in order to flatten the curve. As a nation, we complied.

Now, it seems, many governors have moved the goal posts. The curve has been flattened in most places around the country. The hospitals were not overwhelmed, we had an overabundance of ventilators, testing is up across the nation, and the spread has slowed. Yet, places with few or no cases are still being locked down in an unreasonable fashion.

We cannot wait for a vaccine or cure to open up. It is not feasible to the well being of most Americans.

We have learned how to protect ourselves. We have learned to wash our hands, maintain appropriate distance, and wear masks. But, crazy restrictions are still in place. Closing beaches is crazy. Evidence has shown that this virus does not spread easily outdoors and in heat.

And, as for masks.....

If they don't work, why are people being forced to wear them?
If they do work, why aren't more places opening up with limited restrictions?

Where do you live?

In a southern state that has lifted most restrictions. All businesses are opened with safety precautions in place.

So why are you complaining if your area has reopened. Good for you. Let us know how it goes
I OTOH live in the DMV where most people rely on mass transit to get to work. The number of cases in the zip codes surrounding my home numbers in the thousands and three parents in our local high school died from Covid19 leaving 12 children without a parent. So I am grateful that our county will continue to restrict activities for a while longer

meanwhile hundreds of thousands of people are worrying about food rent and basic necessities because they can't work

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What we need to ask ourselves is why South Korea has 300 deaths and an unemployment rate of 4%. while we are at 90,000 deaths and an unemployment rate of nearly 15%

Good governance matters.

We should not have to choose between our lives and our livelihood

We should be demanding more from our elected leaders: more testing, more contact tracing, more PPE, more coordination of public health efforts, honest and transparent accounting of all deaths everywhere

thanks for the latest D talking points again just like clockwork

South Korea has a healthier population, almost no brown people (Vitamin D) issue, and most importantly a collectivist society

testing doesn't matter if you are sick stay home
contact tracing doesn't matter the virus is everywhere
PPE eh wrap a rag around your face
coordination of public health efforts ok you got one right congrats
honest and transparent accounting of all deaths sure along with statistics showing deaths from this for generally healthy folks are insignificant and most are nursing home related

next

This cannot be a serious response!
Every reputable Public health expert tells us this is what we have to do to reopen safely
Regarding your point that the task is harder in the US well that is why we need stronger leadership from our administration. Not excuses or deflections.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We were told to shut down in order to flatten the curve. As a nation, we complied.

Now, it seems, many governors have moved the goal posts. The curve has been flattened in most places around the country. The hospitals were not overwhelmed, we had an overabundance of ventilators, testing is up across the nation, and the spread has slowed. Yet, places with few or no cases are still being locked down in an unreasonable fashion.

We cannot wait for a vaccine or cure to open up. It is not feasible to the well being of most Americans.

We have learned how to protect ourselves. We have learned to wash our hands, maintain appropriate distance, and wear masks. But, crazy restrictions are still in place. Closing beaches is crazy. Evidence has shown that this virus does not spread easily outdoors and in heat.

And, as for masks.....

If they don't work, why are people being forced to wear them?
If they do work, why aren't more places opening up with limited restrictions?

Where do you live?

In a southern state that has lifted most restrictions. All businesses are opened with safety precautions in place.

So why are you complaining if your area has reopened. Good for you. Let us know how it goes
I OTOH live in the DMV where most people rely on mass transit to get to work. The number of cases in the zip codes surrounding my home numbers in the thousands and three parents in our local high school died from Covid19 leaving 12 children without a parent. So I am grateful that our county will continue to restrict activities for a while longer

Fine. Sorry your area has been hard hit.
But, you cannot deny that there are governors and local leaders who are so damned power hungry that they are putting ridiculous restrictions on their communities.
And, I care because their actions have an impact on our economy as a whole.
An example: Mayor of LA, CA who said they will not fully open until there is a cure.
And, while the beaches opened on Wed, people are not allowed to sunbathe or picnic. WTH?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/la-mayor-says-city-will-never-fully-be-open-until-theres-a-coronavirus-cure

There are many others. And, this is why people are protesting. The decisions of these local leaders and governors make no sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What we need to ask ourselves is why South Korea has 300 deaths and an unemployment rate of 4%. while we are at 90,000 deaths and an unemployment rate of nearly 15%

Good governance matters.

We should not have to choose between our lives and our livelihood

We should be demanding more from our elected leaders: more testing, more contact tracing, more PPE, more coordination of public health efforts, honest and transparent accounting of all deaths everywhere

thanks for the latest D talking points again just like clockwork

South Korea has a healthier population, almost no brown people (Vitamin D) issue, and most importantly a collectivist society

testing doesn't matter if you are sick stay home
contact tracing doesn't matter the virus is everywhere
PPE eh wrap a rag around your face
coordination of public health efforts ok you got one right congrats
honest and transparent accounting of all deaths sure along with statistics showing deaths from this for generally healthy folks are insignificant and most are nursing home related

next

This cannot be a serious response!
Every reputable Public health expert tells us this is what we have to do to reopen safely
Regarding your point that the task is harder in the US well that is why we need stronger leadership from our administration. Not excuses or deflections.

and every economic expert says if we don't reopen the country will collapse

and yes that's a serious response

[Anonymous]

MD total deaths for those under 60 are only 202 and you can bet many of those are folks with serious preexisting conditions

time to reopen like most of the rest of the country

[Anonymous]

I honestly think that maybe we have to completely reopen and then close again. Then we might get enough PPE and tests for the next opening. Sad, but might have to happen to convince people. The only way to get rid of this thing is to go to the "box it in" phase where we do tracing and isolating. Some places are ready with the tests and tracers all set up. Most are not. The virus might well be "everywhere", but we have to stomp it out and the only way to do that is to start testing and tracing if we fully open. We might get through the summer okay with everyone outdoors, but it will come back in the fall. Now is the time to have a lot of tests and trace.