2 Year Old Dragged into Water by Gator at Disney Resort

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The people who are posting that he was 10 ft. from shore, can you please post a source for that? I'm not seeing that anywhere.

Don't rely on liberal news media for your news. Conservative media reports it first and is blunt about it.

So...link, please?

I'm not that PP but they posted it and here it is again http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3643538/Two-year-old-boy-snatched-alligator-Disney-TEN-FEET-shore-reptile-struck-lifeguard-reveals.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"So far, no. I suspect there will be a lot more dead gators from that lake. If anything, I think Disney is likely to use this to get whatever waivers they need to cull alligators on their property more ruthlessly. "

Good. I hope they start culling statewide, and throughout the Southeast. Enough with the stupid environmentalists. The gators are a dangerous nuisance. They should have died out with the dinosaurs. Biologically, they're much, much older than us. They've had a good run, now it's time to go.

Not going to happen. Enviros care much more about animals than they do humans. Just wait until reintroduced wolves start expanding into more populated areas. There's a reason our ancestors tried to reduce the numbers of these species.

You're an idiot. Hysteria! Fear!!! Wolves aren't a threat to humans, they prey on smaller animals, elk, deer, cattle. I guess you're not aware of our ecosystem. Wow, the ignorance.

You're incredibly naive. Just like that lady who went jogging in Alaska. Wolves have no idea that you're not prey, and they certainly have no idea that your small child isn't. You are a part of their ecosystem, whether you like it or not.

List of humans killed by wolves: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wolf_attacks_in_North_America

Most of these attacks were long ago, primarily because our ancestors aggressively tried to eradicate wolves, because they were a danger. I actually know quite a bit about wolves. They do generally try to stay away from humans, but they are very territorial and require a huge hunting range. As new wolves grow, they have to strike out to new territory, and as they become increasingly deprived of territory and food sources, they will move into more populated areas. It's interesting that you admit they prey on cattle, because the cattle ranchers out west were assured that the reintroduced wolves wouldn't eat healthy cattle. Ask the ranchers out west how that's worked out. The wolves are getting less and less afraid of people. You city folk who have this fairy-tale view of nature are in for a big surprise as these predatory species start moving into the areas where you're living and recreating.

Wolf attacks are rare? Sure. But so are attacks by alligators. Up until now.

[Anonymous]

Waiting for any witnesses beyond the parents to come forward. Smells like a panicked attempt to deny their own negligence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The people who are posting that he was 10 ft. from shore, can you please post a source for that? I'm not seeing that anywhere.

Don't rely on liberal news media for your news. Conservative media reports it first and is blunt about it.

So...link, please?

I'm not that PP but they posted it and here it is again http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3643538/Two-year-old-boy-snatched-alligator-Disney-TEN-FEET-shore-reptile-struck-lifeguard-reveals.html

Daily Mail doesn't count...it's a British tabloid. Does anyone have a more reputable source? If the 10 feet thing is true then surely other outlets would be reporting it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"So far, no. I suspect there will be a lot more dead gators from that lake. If anything, I think Disney is likely to use this to get whatever waivers they need to cull alligators on their property more ruthlessly. "

Good. I hope they start culling statewide, and throughout the Southeast. Enough with the stupid environmentalists. The gators are a dangerous nuisance. They should have died out with the dinosaurs. Biologically, they're much, much older than us. They've had a good run, now it's time to go.

Not going to happen. Enviros care much more about animals than they do humans. Just wait until reintroduced wolves start expanding into more populated areas. There's a reason our ancestors tried to reduce the numbers of these species.

You're an idiot. Hysteria! Fear!!! Wolves aren't a threat to humans, they prey on smaller animals, elk, deer, cattle. I guess you're not aware of our ecosystem. Wow, the ignorance.

You're incredibly naive. Just like that lady who went jogging in Alaska. Wolves have no idea that you're not prey, and they certainly have no idea that your small child isn't. You are a part of their ecosystem, whether you like it or not.

List of humans killed by wolves: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wolf_attacks_in_North_America

Most of these attacks were long ago, primarily because our ancestors aggressively tried to eradicate wolves, because they were a danger. I actually know quite a bit about wolves. They do generally try to stay away from humans, but they are very territorial and require a huge hunting range. As new wolves grow, they have to strike out to new territory, and as they become increasingly deprived of territory and food sources, they will move into more populated areas. It's interesting that you admit they prey on cattle, because the cattle ranchers out west were assured that the reintroduced wolves wouldn't eat healthy cattle. Ask the ranchers out west how that's worked out. The wolves are getting less and less afraid of people. You city folk who have this fairy-tale view of nature are in for a big surprise as these predatory species start moving into the areas where you're living and recreating.

Wolf attacks are rare? Sure. But so are attacks by alligators. Up until now.

Alligator attacks are not rare in Florida. They have dozens of bites every year, and have a death from an alligator about once every 3 years.

http://www.naplesnews.com/community/photosvideo-alligators-are-everywhere-in-florida-so-use-common-sense-around-water-ep-394461005-332214542.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"So far, no. I suspect there will be a lot more dead gators from that lake. If anything, I think Disney is likely to use this to get whatever waivers they need to cull alligators on their property more ruthlessly. "

Good. I hope they start culling statewide, and throughout the Southeast. Enough with the stupid environmentalists. The gators are a dangerous nuisance. They should have died out with the dinosaurs. Biologically, they're much, much older than us. They've had a good run, now it's time to go.

Not going to happen. Enviros care much more about animals than they do humans. Just wait until reintroduced wolves start expanding into more populated areas. There's a reason our ancestors tried to reduce the numbers of these species.

You're an idiot. Hysteria! Fear!!! Wolves aren't a threat to humans, they prey on smaller animals, elk, deer, cattle. I guess you're not aware of our ecosystem. Wow, the ignorance.

You're incredibly naive. Just like that lady who went jogging in Alaska. Wolves have no idea that you're not prey, and they certainly have no idea that your small child isn't. You are a part of their ecosystem, whether you like it or not.

List of humans killed by wolves: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wolf_attacks_in_North_America

Most of these attacks were long ago, primarily because our ancestors aggressively tried to eradicate wolves, because they were a danger. I actually know quite a bit about wolves. They do generally try to stay away from humans, but they are very territorial and require a huge hunting range. As new wolves grow, they have to strike out to new territory, and as they become increasingly deprived of territory and food sources, they will move into more populated areas. It's interesting that you admit they prey on cattle, because the cattle ranchers out west were assured that the reintroduced wolves wouldn't eat healthy cattle. Ask the ranchers out west how that's worked out. The wolves are getting less and less afraid of people. You city folk who have this fairy-tale view of nature are in for a big surprise as these predatory species start moving into the areas where you're living and recreating.

Wolf attacks are rare? Sure. But so are attacks by alligators. Up until now.

You are being hysterical. Your source lists 6 attacks in the last 100 years. There have been more deadly moose attacks than that, but no one is arguing that all moose should be wiped out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Waiting for any witnesses beyond the parents to come forward. Smells like a panicked attempt to deny their own negligence.

There was one witness that saw from his window

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"So far, no. I suspect there will be a lot more dead gators from that lake. If anything, I think Disney is likely to use this to get whatever waivers they need to cull alligators on their property more ruthlessly. "

Good. I hope they start culling statewide, and throughout the Southeast. Enough with the stupid environmentalists. The gators are a dangerous nuisance. They should have died out with the dinosaurs. Biologically, they're much, much older than us. They've had a good run, now it's time to go.

Not going to happen. Enviros care much more about animals than they do humans. Just wait until reintroduced wolves start expanding into more populated areas. There's a reason our ancestors tried to reduce the numbers of these species.

You're an idiot. Hysteria! Fear!!! Wolves aren't a threat to humans, they prey on smaller animals, elk, deer, cattle. I guess you're not aware of our ecosystem. Wow, the ignorance.

You're incredibly naive. Just like that lady who went jogging in Alaska. Wolves have no idea that you're not prey, and they certainly have no idea that your small child isn't. You are a part of their ecosystem, whether you like it or not.

List of humans killed by wolves: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wolf_attacks_in_North_America

Most of these attacks were long ago, primarily because our ancestors aggressively tried to eradicate wolves, because they were a danger. I actually know quite a bit about wolves. They do generally try to stay away from humans, but they are very territorial and require a huge hunting range. As new wolves grow, they have to strike out to new territory, and as they become increasingly deprived of territory and food sources, they will move into more populated areas. It's interesting that you admit they prey on cattle, because the cattle ranchers out west were assured that the reintroduced wolves wouldn't eat healthy cattle. Ask the ranchers out west how that's worked out. The wolves are getting less and less afraid of people. You city folk who have this fairy-tale view of nature are in for a big surprise as these predatory species start moving into the areas where you're living and recreating.

Wolf attacks are rare? Sure. But so are attacks by alligators. Up until now.

Alligator attacks are not rare in Florida. They have dozens of bites every year, and have a death from an alligator about once every 3 years.

http://www.naplesnews.com/community/photosvideo-alligators-are-everywhere-in-florida-so-use-common-sense-around-water-ep-394461005-332214542.html

That's rare.

Every year in Florida, 10-13 people die and 30 people are injured from lightning strikes.

[Anonymous]

What was a small child doing up at 9:30 pm, and basically unattended to wade into murky water. Doesn't matter whether it is Disney property...it was murky water, at night (when they feed) and small enough (vs. an adult). Most lakes and ponds in Florida on commercial properties have small signs that read "be mindful of the wildlife". At night one wouldn't see the sign but just about every resident knows to keep all children and small pets away from any body of non-translucent water in Florida. Hasn't anyone seen the elaborate gating around swimming pools and along property lines. The fencing underneath the fence or the bird cage is intended to keep things either in or out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please stop blaming that family. Have you no shame. I am disgusted by the posters blaming the family. Have you never been to Disney? The beaches are filled with families and kids wading in the water. Please, just stop being so stupid. The parents are not to blame.

THERE WAS A NO SWIMMING SIGN!

And for those of you who continue to act ignorant, allow me to define swimming and wading.

WADING: to walk through water

SWIMMING: to move through water by moving your arms and legs

DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE???

Why the heck weren't the hick parents keeping a close eye on the 2 year old? 2 year old! he was wading 10 feet from shore before the gator pulled him under.

I am more concerned that 5 GATORS were killed because of these parents irresponsibility. The nerve!

He identified the boy as two-year-old Lane Graves, son of Matt and Melissa Graves of Elk Horn, Nebraska. The Graves family were on the third day of their Orlando vacation when tragedy struck Tuesday night.
Lane had been wading in a 'no swimming' area at the upscale Grand Floridian Resort & Spa around 9:20pm when he was attacked by the gator, and his father tried and failed to wrestle him from the reptile's clenches.
During the search, wildlife officials caught and killed five alligators in the man-made lake and they say they will now use forensics to determine if they have already euthanized the alligator responsible for the attack. If not, officials promised to continue searching the lake for the creature.
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You and your elitist attitude are deplorable.
These poor parents are grieving the loss of their child.
Hick parents? I shutter to think what names your friends call you behind your back.

It's shudder. That is why people make fun of you guys. Not PP, BTW.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What was a small child doing up at 9:30 pm, and basically unattended to wade into murky water. Doesn't matter whether it is Disney property...it was murky water, at night (when they feed) and small enough (vs. an adult). Most lakes and ponds in Florida on commercial properties have small signs that read "be mindful of the wildlife". At night one wouldn't see the sign but just about every resident knows to keep all children and small pets away from any body of non-translucent water in Florida. Hasn't anyone seen the elaborate gating around swimming pools and along property lines. The fencing underneath the fence or the bird cage is intended to keep things either in or out.

He was from Nebraska and he's dead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kid was in a foot of water per CNN. A little strange given it was dark.

Autopsy makes sense if body intact. Want to rule out possiblity of foul play. Enough weird details to this story.

Or perhaps the child had a seizure or heart attack?

Best to know.

Crushing wounds probably

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kid was in a foot of water per CNN. A little strange given it was dark.

Autopsy makes sense if body intact. Want to rule out possiblity of foul play. Enough weird details to this story.

Or perhaps the child had a seizure or heart attack?

Best to know.

Crushing wounds probably

and drowning.

[Anonymous]

RIP Lane:
http://heavy.com/news/2016/06/matt-melissa-lane-graves-parents-father-mother-boy-taken-alligator-disney-orlando-nebraska-son-photos-video-daughter/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What was a small child doing up at 9:30 pm, and basically unattended to wade into murky water. Doesn't matter whether it is Disney property...it was murky water, at night (when they feed) and small enough (vs. an adult). Most lakes and ponds in Florida on commercial properties have small signs that read "be mindful of the wildlife". At night one wouldn't see the sign but just about every resident knows to keep all children and small pets away from any body of non-translucent water in Florida. Hasn't anyone seen the elaborate gating around swimming pools and along property lines. The fencing underneath the fence or the bird cage is intended to keep things either in or out.

For the millionth time, tourists from out of state have no idea how common alligators are in Florida, and have zero clue that their toddler could be snatched away by one at a Disney resort. No idea. There were no signs indicating this could happen. The whole thing is horrific, and I'm appalled at people trying to blame the parents.