Greendland - why not?

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*DANISH PENSION FUND AKADEMIKERPENSION TO EXIT US TREASURIES

Greenland has 56,000 total residents.

The NYPD could conquer Greenland with a few overtime shifts.

But they will not be fighting Greenlanders, so what then.

They won't be fighting anyone. Europe is not going to do anything. They will be completely wrecked if they attack any Americans sent to secure Greenland.

They are treaty bound to defend Greenland. What kind of a fantasy world do you live in? China is laughing.

oh, my bad. There's a treaty huh? Surely the EU will attempt to use military force against the U.S. because there's a treaty with some words on paper. lol. lmao even.

How old are you? Guessing that you had no relatives who fought and died in WWII. You may have no historical understanding of the world order, but Europeans do, even if their relatives who fought in that war are no longer with us.

Not sure what your point is in invoking WW2. The U.S. military stepped in an saved the UK/France/etc's bacon in WW1 and again in WW2. Do you actually think the EU is going to use military force against the U.S. when we secure Greenland as part of of America? If anything, they should be happy to give it to the United States to secure as a key strategic location in the accelerating geopolitical Arctic game.

Look at the ICBM path of potential missiles from Russia or China to the United States and you'll see why we need to control Greenland as a vital part of American security in the 21st Century.

We don't need to own it. They literally are happy for us to have bases there. Their people do not need to be US citizens and we don't need to make them, or acquire Greenland, to protect it, in turn protecting both our interests and theirs.

The argument that we must "own" it is twaddle.

The U.S. is about to embark on a major missile defense system (Golden Dome) to protect America from incoming missiles from the major geopolitical rivals Russia, China, and maybe others one day. Greenland is critical to the defense of America in that respect. We cannot be expected to rely on little Denmark to give us "permission" to protect the United States from missile attack by leveraging Greenland. We can't be expected to spend trillions of dollars on equipment and installations on land that Denmark will "own" and that is so critical for defending the USA.

Greenland is a big frozen rock on the North American continent with a "population" that could fit inside Dodger Stadium. Denmark has no claim to ownership of Greenland and no reason to deny the United States this critical island that we need to protect ourselves against incoming missiles. Denmark has no need for Greenland and no moral claim to why they should own a colony in the Americas. This has been basic U.S. foreign policy since the Monroe Doctrine.

Wow, if Trump said it this way, it might go over better. I’ve thought from the beginning that some kind of deal gets done. This is just another trading opportunity for Wallstreet.

Agreed. President Trump is not articulate about it (he just tweets out "WE NEED GREENLAND") but that doesn't mean he's wrong. It's very important for the USA.

Then why wasn’t it mentioned in the Trump administration’s National Security Strategy released two months ago?

Or what about his first term? Was Greenland not important then, or was Trump too dumb to care about it then?

He was talking about acquiring Greenland during his first term. And Russia and China have made great strides in hypersonic missile technology that brings new urgency to the need for a robust missile defense system to protect the United States, of which Greenland is an essential component.

We already have a base there.

THIS plus European leaders are fine with us staffing it up if we want.

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*DANISH PENSION FUND AKADEMIKERPENSION TO EXIT US TREASURIES

Greenland has 56,000 total residents.

The NYPD could conquer Greenland with a few overtime shifts.

But they will not be fighting Greenlanders, so what then.

They won't be fighting anyone. Europe is not going to do anything. They will be completely wrecked if they attack any Americans sent to secure Greenland.

They are treaty bound to defend Greenland. What kind of a fantasy world do you live in? China is laughing.

oh, my bad. There's a treaty huh? Surely the EU will attempt to use military force against the U.S. because there's a treaty with some words on paper. lol. lmao even.

How old are you? Guessing that you had no relatives who fought and died in WWII. You may have no historical understanding of the world order, but Europeans do, even if their relatives who fought in that war are no longer with us.

Not sure what your point is in invoking WW2. The U.S. military stepped in an saved the UK/France/etc's bacon in WW1 and again in WW2. Do you actually think the EU is going to use military force against the U.S. when we secure Greenland as part of of America? If anything, they should be happy to give it to the United States to secure as a key strategic location in the accelerating geopolitical Arctic game.

Look at the ICBM path of potential missiles from Russia or China to the United States and you'll see why we need to control Greenland as a vital part of American security in the 21st Century.

We don't need to own it. They literally are happy for us to have bases there. Their people do not need to be US citizens and we don't need to make them, or acquire Greenland, to protect it, in turn protecting both our interests and theirs.

The argument that we must "own" it is twaddle.

The U.S. is about to embark on a major missile defense system (Golden Dome) to protect America from incoming missiles from the major geopolitical rivals Russia, China, and maybe others one day. Greenland is critical to the defense of America in that respect. We cannot be expected to rely on little Denmark to give us "permission" to protect the United States from missile attack by leveraging Greenland. We can't be expected to spend trillions of dollars on equipment and installations on land that Denmark will "own" and that is so critical for defending the USA.

Greenland is a big frozen rock on the North American continent with a "population" that could fit inside Dodger Stadium. Denmark has no claim to ownership of Greenland and no reason to deny the United States this critical island that we need to protect ourselves against incoming missiles. Denmark has no need for Greenland and no moral claim to why they should own a colony in the Americas. This has been basic U.S. foreign policy since the Monroe Doctrine.

You could save yourself a lot of typing just by stating "might makes right".

Tell me again - how did Denmark come to "own" Greenland? Oh, right - the European colonial regimes just showed up and took it, without regard for the handful of Inuit people living there, then traded it around like a poker chip. Sounds a lot like "might make right" to me.

Denmark wouldn't even exist if not for America. Denmark was invaded by Germany during WW2 and we liberated it. The least they can do is not make a fuss about returning this chunk of ice in North America to its logical owners, when we have such a clear need of it for our national defense.

Not that it actually matters, but Denmark was largely liberated by the British, small parts were liberated by the Soviets.

Nobody’s liberated if the US doesn’t “invade” (yes I said it) France on D-Day. Ungrateful MFers should go read some of their own history.

I'll preface this by saying that this entire conversation is silly. Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, and the people of Greenland do not consent to governance by the United States.

That said, the argument that America liberated Europe in World War II and Europe is ungrateful is wrong on both counts.

D-Day doesn't happen without the British and Canadians. The fact that you said "the US" invaded is wrong. Over half of the troops who landed were non-American. It also doesn't happen without the Soviets, tying up 60% of the German Army on the Eastern Front. The Allies liberated Europe, not the US. The result was an international order that, for 80 years, was tilted to favor America. We got strong and rich and European countries went along with that, including by letting us put troops and bases in Greenland to defend our interests in the area. They've been grateful. For some reason, we're blowing that up.

Thank you.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we get back to Greenland?

Denmark is being unreasonable here. Denmark does not need Greenland for its national security, as the missile threat from Russia to Denmark does not pass over Greenland. (Not to mention, the United States has provided security for Denmark for the last 80 years.)

Denmark is a tiny country located on a different continent entirely and is not capable of establishing a missile defense system to protect the United States.

The USA cannot spend the required trillions on a missile defense system in Greenland in to protect America if that system is contingent on the permission of another country.

Denmark doesn't need Greenland. We've been standing up defending the Free World for decades and now that we need something to protect ourselves our so-called "ally" is denying us. Make it make sense.

Let Denmark cry more. Reminder: Denmark participated in the illegal US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003, initially contributing approximately 380 troops, which increased to a rotating 500–600 troops during the occupation.

Denmark cries now over international law as the US declares its intention to annex Greenland, after it previously rubbished international law joining an illegal war based on lies.

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Denmark participated because the US invoked Article V.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we get back to Greenland?

Denmark is being unreasonable here. Denmark does not need Greenland for its national security, as the missile threat from Russia to Denmark does not pass over Greenland. (Not to mention, the United States has provided security for Denmark for the last 80 years.)

Denmark is a tiny country located on a different continent entirely and is not capable of establishing a missile defense system to protect the United States.

The USA cannot spend the required trillions on a missile defense system in Greenland in to protect America if that system is contingent on the permission of another country.

Denmark doesn't need Greenland. We've been standing up defending the Free World for decades and now that we need something to protect ourselves our so-called "ally" is denying us. Make it make sense.

Let Denmark cry more. Reminder: Denmark participated in the illegal US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003, initially contributing approximately 380 troops, which increased to a rotating 500–600 troops during the occupation.

Denmark cries now over international law as the US declares its intention to annex Greenland, after it previously rubbished international law joining an illegal war based on lies.

But...WE get a pass? What?!

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I know the polls say it’s unpopular but apparently Fox is pushing it now and MAGAs seem to be slowly getting on board with the idea. Individual republican lawmakers have spoken out but there’s been no collective message to shut it down. This should be dead in the water but it’s not.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we get back to Greenland?

Denmark is being unreasonable here. Denmark does not need Greenland for its national security, as the missile threat from Russia to Denmark does not pass over Greenland. (Not to mention, the United States has provided security for Denmark for the last 80 years.)

Denmark is a tiny country located on a different continent entirely and is not capable of establishing a missile defense system to protect the United States.

The USA cannot spend the required trillions on a missile defense system in Greenland in to protect America if that system is contingent on the permission of another country.

Denmark doesn't need Greenland. We've been standing up defending the Free World for decades and now that we need something to protect ourselves our so-called "ally" is denying us. Make it make sense.

Well-put.


People mocking the idea of the U.S. buying Greenland don’t know history.

1867 – Andrew Johnson: explored buying Greenland & Iceland (right after Alaska).
WWII – FDR: U.S. took over Greenland’s defense while Denmark was occupied.
1946 – Truman: offered $100M in gold to buy it.
Cold War – Eisenhower → Kennedy: nonstop negotiations for bases, radar, missiles.
Post–Cold War – Clinton/Bush/Obama: expanded Arctic security & missile defense.
2019 – Trump: said publicly what presidents discussed privately for 150+ years.

The U.S. didn’t “suddenly” want Greenland. It’s been defending it, negotiating it, and embedding there since the 1800s. Greenland = Arctic power, shipping lanes, missiles, minerals.

Trump didn’t invent it. He said the quiet part out loud.

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When the EU nations dump our debt, we are going to have hyperinflation. If you think things are expensive now, just wait.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we get back to Greenland?

Denmark is being unreasonable here. Denmark does not need Greenland for its national security, as the missile threat from Russia to Denmark does not pass over Greenland. (Not to mention, the United States has provided security for Denmark for the last 80 years.)

Denmark is a tiny country located on a different continent entirely and is not capable of establishing a missile defense system to protect the United States.

The USA cannot spend the required trillions on a missile defense system in Greenland in to protect America if that system is contingent on the permission of another country.

Denmark doesn't need Greenland. We've been standing up defending the Free World for decades and now that we need something to protect ourselves our so-called "ally" is denying us. Make it make sense.

Well-put.


People mocking the idea of the U.S. buying Greenland don’t know history.

1867 – Andrew Johnson: explored buying Greenland & Iceland (right after Alaska).
WWII – FDR: U.S. took over Greenland’s defense while Denmark was occupied.
1946 – Truman: offered $100M in gold to buy it.
Cold War – Eisenhower → Kennedy: nonstop negotiations for bases, radar, missiles.
Post–Cold War – Clinton/Bush/Obama: expanded Arctic security & missile defense.
2019 – Trump: said publicly what presidents discussed privately for 150+ years.

The U.S. didn’t “suddenly” want Greenland. It’s been defending it, negotiating it, and embedding there since the 1800s. Greenland = Arctic power, shipping lanes, missiles, minerals.

Trump didn’t invent it. He said the quiet part out loud.

No one believes this crap.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we get back to Greenland?

Denmark is being unreasonable here. Denmark does not need Greenland for its national security, as the missile threat from Russia to Denmark does not pass over Greenland. (Not to mention, the United States has provided security for Denmark for the last 80 years.)

Denmark is a tiny country located on a different continent entirely and is not capable of establishing a missile defense system to protect the United States.

The USA cannot spend the required trillions on a missile defense system in Greenland in to protect America if that system is contingent on the permission of another country.

Denmark doesn't need Greenland. We've been standing up defending the Free World for decades and now that we need something to protect ourselves our so-called "ally" is denying us. Make it make sense.

Well-put.


People mocking the idea of the U.S. buying Greenland don’t know history.

1867 – Andrew Johnson: explored buying Greenland & Iceland (right after Alaska).
WWII – FDR: U.S. took over Greenland’s defense while Denmark was occupied.
1946 – Truman: offered $100M in gold to buy it.
Cold War – Eisenhower → Kennedy: nonstop negotiations for bases, radar, missiles.
Post–Cold War – Clinton/Bush/Obama: expanded Arctic security & missile defense.
2019 – Trump: said publicly what presidents discussed privately for 150+ years.

The U.S. didn’t “suddenly” want Greenland. It’s been defending it, negotiating it, and embedding there since the 1800s. Greenland = Arctic power, shipping lanes, missiles, minerals.

Trump didn’t invent it. He said the quiet part out loud.

No one believes this crap.

the sad thing is some people do seem to believe it. its why so many people have lives that are such a mess. why they are unhappy even though objectively they have everything they need. because they just cannot help wanting things they really don't need, in this case because we actually already effectively have it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When the EU nations dump our debt, we are going to have hyperinflation. If you think things are expensive now, just wait.

The people that still have jobs will be able to pay off their debt quickly, so we have that going for us.

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Anonymous wrote:Can we get back to Greenland?

Denmark is being unreasonable here. Denmark does not need Greenland for its national security, as the missile threat from Russia to Denmark does not pass over Greenland. (Not to mention, the United States has provided security for Denmark for the last 80 years.)

Denmark is a tiny country located on a different continent entirely and is not capable of establishing a missile defense system to protect the United States.

The USA cannot spend the required trillions on a missile defense system in Greenland in to protect America if that system is contingent on the permission of another country.

Denmark doesn't need Greenland. We've been standing up defending the Free World for decades and now that we need something to protect ourselves our so-called "ally" is denying us. Make it make sense.

Well-put.


People mocking the idea of the U.S. buying Greenland don’t know history.

1867 – Andrew Johnson: explored buying Greenland & Iceland (right after Alaska).
WWII – FDR: U.S. took over Greenland’s defense while Denmark was occupied.
1946 – Truman: offered $100M in gold to buy it.
Cold War – Eisenhower → Kennedy: nonstop negotiations for bases, radar, missiles.
Post–Cold War – Clinton/Bush/Obama: expanded Arctic security & missile defense.
2019 – Trump: said publicly what presidents discussed privately for 150+ years.

The U.S. didn’t “suddenly” want Greenland. It’s been defending it, negotiating it, and embedding there since the 1800s. Greenland = Arctic power, shipping lanes, missiles, minerals.

Trump didn’t invent it. He said the quiet part out loud.

Two problems.

It’s not for sale.

Trump is an idiot.

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If US is permitted to purchase Greenland, fine.

But to take it? Hell naw. What missles from China and Russia are going to be a threat? Believe it or not, MAD is still a thing. It would make absolutely zero sense for Russia and China to launch missles and hit mainland US unless they're willing to risk all out nuclear war and for them to cease to exist. The threat from missles is non-existent, yet Trump wants to blow up all our alliances, tank the dollar, and make the US a pariah state because of his f*king TikTok ego. He is dragging the entire country into a stupid AF pissing match simply because he was told "No".

The only other explanation is that this was the American Oligarchy's plan all along - destroy the US by getting us sanctioned, destroying the dollar, and tanking the entire economy. They already bought up all the gold and crypto, they just need to control over all the land. They want to crash everything, then swoop in when they can buy vast swaths of the country for pennies on the dollar after they cash out their crypto that was protected from the dollar crash.

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Why should a weak country like Denmark claim Greenland they can't even defend it

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Anonymous wrote:Why should a weak country like Denmark claim Greenland they can't even defend it

What a moronic argument.