Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where is the proof that the kissing and nuzzling were not scripted?

Freedman posted the relevant script page when posting the original bar scene footage. The script read: “Lily and Ryle slow dance in the bar. Patrons around them drinking and watching sports. Completely in their own world.”

There are no instructions for kissing, and it is not usual to spring that on a costar. This was unprofessional.

I guess Lively would have to call in expert witnesses who have been on film sets to establish whether it is unusual to do that. I honestly don't know. I'm surprised the script is that vague. In my non-expert opinion, kissing and nuzzling would reasonably be included in a scene depicting dancing and falling in love. I imagine that there's some discussion or story boarding that goes on between the directors and actors beforehand to establish generally how the scene is choreographed. I understand this type of scene, since it doesn't involve nudity, would not require an intimacy coordinator (I understand Lively later demanded one on set at all times to prevent these situations, which is a good idea and maybe romantic films should generally do that).

So Lively can attempt to establish what the norms are and that Baldoni breached those norms. That would help her case, but I'm not sure it would reach the level of SH. Maybe it would in combination with other claims, if she proves them. It's a rill uphill climb, IMO. Baldoni can also call in expert witnesses explaining that it is not atypical to add kissing when it wasn't necessarily in the script, if it's an established romantic scene and the actors kiss in other scenes. Or perhaps he denies that he improvised kisses, perhaps he has proof, notes, emails, or witnesses who will testify that he and Lively did discuss kissing and nuzzling.

But don't you think it's sort of a weak and difficult argument to prove, and that's why she didn't make the argument in the first place? Her first version, where it appears that out of character, out of nowhere, he begins talking to her and nuzzling her and telling her she smells good, was way more compelling and made him sound like a total creep. And why would it have been phrased that way, if this second version was such a good argument?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't look at the scene and thin "That's sexual harassment!"

I look at the scene and think, "She looks and sounds uncomfortable. She especially looks annoyed when he is leaning in and putting his face near hers or nuzzling her neck, and she is clearly trying a variety of ways to create some distance -- suggesting they talk, initiating "dancing spins, etc. They do not seem to have a very productive working relationship and they both seem annoyed with each other."

I do not think she looks very comfortable and happy. He also doesn't seem happy. They look like people working at cross purposes but who know all eyes are on them and they have to remain polite and pleasant, and are also both trying to "play" the scene for the cameras.

I do not think the scene proves there was not SH. I also don't think it proves there was SH. I think if she can establish that his interaction was part of a pervasive pattern of behavior where Baldoni ignores or pushes past her trying to set physical boundaries with him, it *could* be part of proving SH as one example.

I also think it's really important to know what was discussed after the scene. According to Lively's complaint, she raised the issue of his behavior in this scene afterwards, and he said something like "I'm not even attracted to you" in his defense. I would like to know more about that discussion, especially from third parties who may have been present, as I think it will help show how both parties felt about the scene and also how Baldoni/Wayfarer responded to an actresses saying "this made me uncomfortable and crossed a line with me." That all seems relevant.

I think if you are drawing conclusions either way based on that footage, you are missing the forrest for one tree.

Oh please, she completely lied about how this scene went down and that was revealed when the video came out. Trying to refute that with she looks uncomfortable to me misses the point by miles. Also, if she is uncomfortable kissing her costars, she should not accept roles in love stories which will require kissing other actors.

[Anonymous]

I haven't looked at the timeline in a while, but one thing to keep in mind is that I believe this scene was filmed very soon after the birth scene and the incident with Heath and the birth video. Like that day or the next day.

So you have to think about this in context. If:

- Lively shows up to film the birth scene and they are suddenly saying "oh we want you to be nude, including topless" in this scene," and there was no warning of this

- and she winds up having to fight with them on it to be wearing a hospital gown in the scene

- and in that fight Baldoni makes some inappropriate comments, like that it is not "normal" for women to wear any clothing during birth and is dismissive of the experience that Lively brings to the table on that subject

- and then the next day after they've filmed the birth scene Heath approaches her and tries to show her his wife's nude birth video without clearly explaining what it is

- and when Lively declines to watch the video and asks him if his wife has consented to the video being shown to others, Heath says his wife "isn't weird" about stuff like that (implying Lively *is* weird for not wanting to watch another woman's birth video on her lunch break),

AND THEN they filmed this scene and Baldoni is pushing for them to be physically closer and his kissing her shoulder and nuzzling her face even though she keeps pulling back and suggesting they talk instead, AND she raises her issue with that after the scene and Baldoni dismisses it with "I'm not even attracted to you" (which misses the point of why Lively was bothered -- she doesn't think he's hitting on her, she feels he is repeatedly violating her physical autonomy in a variety of ways and making loaded comments about women and childbirth and relationships which are combining to make her feel uncomfortable and unsafe on the set),

then I start to see how this becomes sexual harassment, even if the contents of the video on their own seem more mild than that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I haven't looked at the timeline in a while, but one thing to keep in mind is that I believe this scene was filmed very soon after the birth scene and the incident with Heath and the birth video. Like that day or the next day.

So you have to think about this in context. If:

- Lively shows up to film the birth scene and they are suddenly saying "oh we want you to be nude, including topless" in this scene," and there was no warning of this

- and she winds up having to fight with them on it to be wearing a hospital gown in the scene

- and in that fight Baldoni makes some inappropriate comments, like that it is not "normal" for women to wear any clothing during birth and is dismissive of the experience that Lively brings to the table on that subject

- and then the next day after they've filmed the birth scene Heath approaches her and tries to show her his wife's nude birth video without clearly explaining what it is

- and when Lively declines to watch the video and asks him if his wife has consented to the video being shown to others, Heath says his wife "isn't weird" about stuff like that (implying Lively *is* weird for not wanting to watch another woman's birth video on her lunch break),

AND THEN they filmed this scene and Baldoni is pushing for them to be physically closer and his kissing her shoulder and nuzzling her face even though she keeps pulling back and suggesting they talk instead, AND she raises her issue with that after the scene and Baldoni dismisses it with "I'm not even attracted to you" (which misses the point of why Lively was bothered -- she doesn't think he's hitting on her, she feels he is repeatedly violating her physical autonomy in a variety of ways and making loaded comments about women and childbirth and relationships which are combining to make her feel uncomfortable and unsafe on the set),

then I start to see how this becomes sexual harassment, even if the contents of the video on their own seem more mild than that.

I think you are insane. She is an actress filming a romantic drama, this is her job. And again, she lied about the dancing scene in her complaint, the video made that very clear.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven't looked at the timeline in a while, but one thing to keep in mind is that I believe this scene was filmed very soon after the birth scene and the incident with Heath and the birth video. Like that day or the next day.

So you have to think about this in context. If:

- Lively shows up to film the birth scene and they are suddenly saying "oh we want you to be nude, including topless" in this scene," and there was no warning of this

- and she winds up having to fight with them on it to be wearing a hospital gown in the scene

- and in that fight Baldoni makes some inappropriate comments, like that it is not "normal" for women to wear any clothing during birth and is dismissive of the experience that Lively brings to the table on that subject

- and then the next day after they've filmed the birth scene Heath approaches her and tries to show her his wife's nude birth video without clearly explaining what it is

- and when Lively declines to watch the video and asks him if his wife has consented to the video being shown to others, Heath says his wife "isn't weird" about stuff like that (implying Lively *is* weird for not wanting to watch another woman's birth video on her lunch break),

AND THEN they filmed this scene and Baldoni is pushing for them to be physically closer and his kissing her shoulder and nuzzling her face even though she keeps pulling back and suggesting they talk instead, AND she raises her issue with that after the scene and Baldoni dismisses it with "I'm not even attracted to you" (which misses the point of why Lively was bothered -- she doesn't think he's hitting on her, she feels he is repeatedly violating her physical autonomy in a variety of ways and making loaded comments about women and childbirth and relationships which are combining to make her feel uncomfortable and unsafe on the set),

then I start to see how this becomes sexual harassment, even if the contents of the video on their own seem more mild than that.

I think you are insane. She is an actress filming a romantic drama, this is her job. And again, she lied about the dancing scene in her complaint, the video made that very clear.

She also lied about what she wore in the birthing scene. Not sure how she thought that would go unnoticed.

[Anonymous]

Lively and Reynolds going nuclear over the "fat shaming" incident, before filming began, is enough to make me not trust anything they say and think they're insensitive babies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I haven't looked at the timeline in a while, but one thing to keep in mind is that I believe this scene was filmed very soon after the birth scene and the incident with Heath and the birth video. Like that day or the next day.

So you have to think about this in context. If:

- Lively shows up to film the birth scene and they are suddenly saying "oh we want you to be nude, including topless" in this scene," and there was no warning of this

- and she winds up having to fight with them on it to be wearing a hospital gown in the scene

- and in that fight Baldoni makes some inappropriate comments, like that it is not "normal" for women to wear any clothing during birth and is dismissive of the experience that Lively brings to the table on that subject

- and then the next day after they've filmed the birth scene Heath approaches her and tries to show her his wife's nude birth video without clearly explaining what it is

- and when Lively declines to watch the video and asks him if his wife has consented to the video being shown to others, Heath says his wife "isn't weird" about stuff like that (implying Lively *is* weird for not wanting to watch another woman's birth video on her lunch break),

AND THEN they filmed this scene and Baldoni is pushing for them to be physically closer and his kissing her shoulder and nuzzling her face even though she keeps pulling back and suggesting they talk instead, AND she raises her issue with that after the scene and Baldoni dismisses it with "I'm not even attracted to you" (which misses the point of why Lively was bothered -- she doesn't think he's hitting on her, she feels he is repeatedly violating her physical autonomy in a variety of ways and making loaded comments about women and childbirth and relationships which are combining to make her feel uncomfortable and unsafe on the set),

then I start to see how this becomes sexual harassment, even if the contents of the video on their own seem more mild than that.

This is a completely ridiculous analyzation. If Lively was this hypersensitive and uncomfortable with the physically intimate aspects of the character, she should not done the film.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I haven't looked at the timeline in a while, but one thing to keep in mind is that I believe this scene was filmed very soon after the birth scene and the incident with Heath and the birth video. Like that day or the next day.

So you have to think about this in context. If:

- Lively shows up to film the birth scene and they are suddenly saying "oh we want you to be nude, including topless" in this scene," and there was no warning of this

- and she winds up having to fight with them on it to be wearing a hospital gown in the scene

- and in that fight Baldoni makes some inappropriate comments, like that it is not "normal" for women to wear any clothing during birth and is dismissive of the experience that Lively brings to the table on that subject

- and then the next day after they've filmed the birth scene Heath approaches her and tries to show her his wife's nude birth video without clearly explaining what it is

- and when Lively declines to watch the video and asks him if his wife has consented to the video being shown to others, Heath says his wife "isn't weird" about stuff like that (implying Lively *is* weird for not wanting to watch another woman's birth video on her lunch break),

AND THEN they filmed this scene and Baldoni is pushing for them to be physically closer and his kissing her shoulder and nuzzling her face even though she keeps pulling back and suggesting they talk instead, AND she raises her issue with that after the scene and Baldoni dismisses it with "I'm not even attracted to you" (which misses the point of why Lively was bothered -- she doesn't think he's hitting on her, she feels he is repeatedly violating her physical autonomy in a variety of ways and making loaded comments about women and childbirth and relationships which are combining to make her feel uncomfortable and unsafe on the set),

then I start to see how this becomes sexual harassment, even if the contents of the video on their own seem more mild than that.

Didn't she grab her costar Henry Golding's balls on A Simple Favor 1 without his initial permission and laughed with the director about it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven't looked at the timeline in a while, but one thing to keep in mind is that I believe this scene was filmed very soon after the birth scene and the incident with Heath and the birth video. Like that day or the next day.

So you have to think about this in context. If:

- Lively shows up to film the birth scene and they are suddenly saying "oh we want you to be nude, including topless" in this scene," and there was no warning of this

- and she winds up having to fight with them on it to be wearing a hospital gown in the scene

- and in that fight Baldoni makes some inappropriate comments, like that it is not "normal" for women to wear any clothing during birth and is dismissive of the experience that Lively brings to the table on that subject

- and then the next day after they've filmed the birth scene Heath approaches her and tries to show her his wife's nude birth video without clearly explaining what it is

- and when Lively declines to watch the video and asks him if his wife has consented to the video being shown to others, Heath says his wife "isn't weird" about stuff like that (implying Lively *is* weird for not wanting to watch another woman's birth video on her lunch break),

AND THEN they filmed this scene and Baldoni is pushing for them to be physically closer and his kissing her shoulder and nuzzling her face even though she keeps pulling back and suggesting they talk instead, AND she raises her issue with that after the scene and Baldoni dismisses it with "I'm not even attracted to you" (which misses the point of why Lively was bothered -- she doesn't think he's hitting on her, she feels he is repeatedly violating her physical autonomy in a variety of ways and making loaded comments about women and childbirth and relationships which are combining to make her feel uncomfortable and unsafe on the set),

then I start to see how this becomes sexual harassment, even if the contents of the video on their own seem more mild than that.

I think you are insane. She is an actress filming a romantic drama, this is her job. And again, she lied about the dancing scene in her complaint, the video made that very clear.

She also lied about what she wore in the birthing scene. Not sure how she thought that would go unnoticed.

DP, who does not agree with you, and who also notes in any case Baldoni doesn’t dispute that he wanted her to be TOPLESS in a birth scene in a PG-13 movie because ALL NORMAL WOMEN JUST RIP THEIR TOP OFF DURING CHILDBIRTH wtf with this regressive Candace Owens style feminism that’s really just deceptively wrapped patriarchy?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven't looked at the timeline in a while, but one thing to keep in mind is that I believe this scene was filmed very soon after the birth scene and the incident with Heath and the birth video. Like that day or the next day.

So you have to think about this in context. If:

- Lively shows up to film the birth scene and they are suddenly saying "oh we want you to be nude, including topless" in this scene," and there was no warning of this

- and she winds up having to fight with them on it to be wearing a hospital gown in the scene

- and in that fight Baldoni makes some inappropriate comments, like that it is not "normal" for women to wear any clothing during birth and is dismissive of the experience that Lively brings to the table on that subject

- and then the next day after they've filmed the birth scene Heath approaches her and tries to show her his wife's nude birth video without clearly explaining what it is

- and when Lively declines to watch the video and asks him if his wife has consented to the video being shown to others, Heath says his wife "isn't weird" about stuff like that (implying Lively *is* weird for not wanting to watch another woman's birth video on her lunch break),

AND THEN they filmed this scene and Baldoni is pushing for them to be physically closer and his kissing her shoulder and nuzzling her face even though she keeps pulling back and suggesting they talk instead, AND she raises her issue with that after the scene and Baldoni dismisses it with "I'm not even attracted to you" (which misses the point of why Lively was bothered -- she doesn't think he's hitting on her, she feels he is repeatedly violating her physical autonomy in a variety of ways and making loaded comments about women and childbirth and relationships which are combining to make her feel uncomfortable and unsafe on the set),

then I start to see how this becomes sexual harassment, even if the contents of the video on their own seem more mild than that.

This is a completely ridiculous analyzation. If Lively was this hypersensitive and uncomfortable with the physically intimate aspects of the character, she should not done the film.

DP, but it’s not “hypersensitive” to expect that the kissing, intimacy, nudity, and sex scenes you are expected to perform are in the script you agreed to, and that if they’re not in the script, the director has talked them over with you in advance of actually shooting the scene and obtained your consent for them, and moreover does not try to pressure and rush you into doing such unscripted scenes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven't looked at the timeline in a while, but one thing to keep in mind is that I believe this scene was filmed very soon after the birth scene and the incident with Heath and the birth video. Like that day or the next day.

So you have to think about this in context. If:

- Lively shows up to film the birth scene and they are suddenly saying "oh we want you to be nude, including topless" in this scene," and there was no warning of this

- and she winds up having to fight with them on it to be wearing a hospital gown in the scene

- and in that fight Baldoni makes some inappropriate comments, like that it is not "normal" for women to wear any clothing during birth and is dismissive of the experience that Lively brings to the table on that subject

- and then the next day after they've filmed the birth scene Heath approaches her and tries to show her his wife's nude birth video without clearly explaining what it is

- and when Lively declines to watch the video and asks him if his wife has consented to the video being shown to others, Heath says his wife "isn't weird" about stuff like that (implying Lively *is* weird for not wanting to watch another woman's birth video on her lunch break),

AND THEN they filmed this scene and Baldoni is pushing for them to be physically closer and his kissing her shoulder and nuzzling her face even though she keeps pulling back and suggesting they talk instead, AND she raises her issue with that after the scene and Baldoni dismisses it with "I'm not even attracted to you" (which misses the point of why Lively was bothered -- she doesn't think he's hitting on her, she feels he is repeatedly violating her physical autonomy in a variety of ways and making loaded comments about women and childbirth and relationships which are combining to make her feel uncomfortable and unsafe on the set),

then I start to see how this becomes sexual harassment, even if the contents of the video on their own seem more mild than that.

This is a completely ridiculous analyzation. If Lively was this hypersensitive and uncomfortable with the physically intimate aspects of the character, she should not done the film.

It's not about being hypersensitive. It's about appropriate workplace behavior. Lively works in an industry where she's a member of a union and the union has guidelines for handling intimacy and nudity -- she alleges that those guidelines were not followed. She also alleges that Baldoni and Heath responded to her push back on doing unscripted nudity and intimacy by making comments that seem to dismiss or ignore her agency as an actor and belittle her experiences as a woman who has given birth.

Many people seem to confuse sexual assault and sexual harassment allegations. Lively is alleging sexual harassment. What I'm outlining here could absolutely be sexual harassment, even if none of it is sexual assault. Some people seem to want an SA "smoking gun" -- footage or evidence of Baldoni grabbing Lively or physically forcing her to do something sexual. But that's not what she's alleging. Sexual harassment is a workplace violation wherein an employee is made to feel uncomfortable, to the point of interfering with their ability to do their job, due to a range of behaviors that can include: sexual innuendo, sexual propositions, sexist or gendered comments, sexually coercive comments or behaviors, among other things. Baldoni's and Heath's behavior may qualify.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven't looked at the timeline in a while, but one thing to keep in mind is that I believe this scene was filmed very soon after the birth scene and the incident with Heath and the birth video. Like that day or the next day.

So you have to think about this in context. If:

- Lively shows up to film the birth scene and they are suddenly saying "oh we want you to be nude, including topless" in this scene," and there was no warning of this

- and she winds up having to fight with them on it to be wearing a hospital gown in the scene

- and in that fight Baldoni makes some inappropriate comments, like that it is not "normal" for women to wear any clothing during birth and is dismissive of the experience that Lively brings to the table on that subject

- and then the next day after they've filmed the birth scene Heath approaches her and tries to show her his wife's nude birth video without clearly explaining what it is

- and when Lively declines to watch the video and asks him if his wife has consented to the video being shown to others, Heath says his wife "isn't weird" about stuff like that (implying Lively *is* weird for not wanting to watch another woman's birth video on her lunch break),

AND THEN they filmed this scene and Baldoni is pushing for them to be physically closer and his kissing her shoulder and nuzzling her face even though she keeps pulling back and suggesting they talk instead, AND she raises her issue with that after the scene and Baldoni dismisses it with "I'm not even attracted to you" (which misses the point of why Lively was bothered -- she doesn't think he's hitting on her, she feels he is repeatedly violating her physical autonomy in a variety of ways and making loaded comments about women and childbirth and relationships which are combining to make her feel uncomfortable and unsafe on the set),

then I start to see how this becomes sexual harassment, even if the contents of the video on their own seem more mild than that.

I think you are insane. She is an actress filming a romantic drama, this is her job. And again, she lied about the dancing scene in her complaint, the video made that very clear.

She also lied about what she wore in the birthing scene. Not sure how she thought that would go unnoticed.

DP, who does not agree with you, and who also notes in any case Baldoni doesn’t dispute that he wanted her to be TOPLESS in a birth scene in a PG-13 movie because ALL NORMAL WOMEN JUST RIP THEIR TOP OFF DURING CHILDBIRTH wtf with this regressive Candace Owens style feminism that’s really just deceptively wrapped patriarchy?

You sound very reasonable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven't looked at the timeline in a while, but one thing to keep in mind is that I believe this scene was filmed very soon after the birth scene and the incident with Heath and the birth video. Like that day or the next day.

So you have to think about this in context. If:

- Lively shows up to film the birth scene and they are suddenly saying "oh we want you to be nude, including topless" in this scene," and there was no warning of this

- and she winds up having to fight with them on it to be wearing a hospital gown in the scene

- and in that fight Baldoni makes some inappropriate comments, like that it is not "normal" for women to wear any clothing during birth and is dismissive of the experience that Lively brings to the table on that subject

- and then the next day after they've filmed the birth scene Heath approaches her and tries to show her his wife's nude birth video without clearly explaining what it is

- and when Lively declines to watch the video and asks him if his wife has consented to the video being shown to others, Heath says his wife "isn't weird" about stuff like that (implying Lively *is* weird for not wanting to watch another woman's birth video on her lunch break),

AND THEN they filmed this scene and Baldoni is pushing for them to be physically closer and his kissing her shoulder and nuzzling her face even though she keeps pulling back and suggesting they talk instead, AND she raises her issue with that after the scene and Baldoni dismisses it with "I'm not even attracted to you" (which misses the point of why Lively was bothered -- she doesn't think he's hitting on her, she feels he is repeatedly violating her physical autonomy in a variety of ways and making loaded comments about women and childbirth and relationships which are combining to make her feel uncomfortable and unsafe on the set),

then I start to see how this becomes sexual harassment, even if the contents of the video on their own seem more mild than that.

This is a completely ridiculous analyzation. If Lively was this hypersensitive and uncomfortable with the physically intimate aspects of the character, she should not done the film.

It's not about being hypersensitive. It's about appropriate workplace behavior. Lively works in an industry where she's a member of a union and the union has guidelines for handling intimacy and nudity -- she alleges that those guidelines were not followed. She also alleges that Baldoni and Heath responded to her push back on doing unscripted nudity and intimacy by making comments that seem to dismiss or ignore her agency as an actor and belittle her experiences as a woman who has given birth.

Many people seem to confuse sexual assault and sexual harassment allegations. Lively is alleging sexual harassment. What I'm outlining here could absolutely be sexual harassment, even if none of it is sexual assault. Some people seem to want an SA "smoking gun" -- footage or evidence of Baldoni grabbing Lively or physically forcing her to do something sexual. But that's not what she's alleging. Sexual harassment is a workplace violation wherein an employee is made to feel uncomfortable, to the point of interfering with their ability to do their job, due to a range of behaviors that can include: sexual innuendo, sexual propositions, sexist or gendered comments, sexually coercive comments or behaviors, among other things. Baldoni's and Heath's behavior may qualify.

Again, you refuse to acknowledge that her more substantive allegations, to the extent that any were, have been either contradicted by video or multiple witnesses.

Also, she was an actress and they were directors. Any actress’, regardless of whether they have given birth, still has to act in a birthing scene consistent with the director’s direction. That’s her job. It was within Blake’s rights to reject being top less and she was not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I haven't looked at the timeline in a while, but one thing to keep in mind is that I believe this scene was filmed very soon after the birth scene and the incident with Heath and the birth video. Like that day or the next day.

So you have to think about this in context. If:

- Lively shows up to film the birth scene and they are suddenly saying "oh we want you to be nude, including topless" in this scene," and there was no warning of this

- and she winds up having to fight with them on it to be wearing a hospital gown in the scene

- and in that fight Baldoni makes some inappropriate comments, like that it is not "normal" for women to wear any clothing during birth and is dismissive of the experience that Lively brings to the table on that subject

- and then the next day after they've filmed the birth scene Heath approaches her and tries to show her his wife's nude birth video without clearly explaining what it is

- and when Lively declines to watch the video and asks him if his wife has consented to the video being shown to others, Heath says his wife "isn't weird" about stuff like that (implying Lively *is* weird for not wanting to watch another woman's birth video on her lunch break),

AND THEN they filmed this scene and Baldoni is pushing for them to be physically closer and his kissing her shoulder and nuzzling her face even though she keeps pulling back and suggesting they talk instead, AND she raises her issue with that after the scene and Baldoni dismisses it with "I'm not even attracted to you" (which misses the point of why Lively was bothered -- she doesn't think he's hitting on her, she feels he is repeatedly violating her physical autonomy in a variety of ways and making loaded comments about women and childbirth and relationships which are combining to make her feel uncomfortable and unsafe on the set),

then I start to see how this becomes sexual harassment, even if the contents of the video on their own seem more mild than that.

This is a completely ridiculous analyzation. If Lively was this hypersensitive and uncomfortable with the physically intimate aspects of the character, she should not done the film.

It's not about being hypersensitive. It's about appropriate workplace behavior. Lively works in an industry where she's a member of a union and the union has guidelines for handling intimacy and nudity -- she alleges that those guidelines were not followed. She also alleges that Baldoni and Heath responded to her push back on doing unscripted nudity and intimacy by making comments that seem to dismiss or ignore her agency as an actor and belittle her experiences as a woman who has given birth.

Many people seem to confuse sexual assault and sexual harassment allegations. Lively is alleging sexual harassment. What I'm outlining here could absolutely be sexual harassment, even if none of it is sexual assault. Some people seem to want an SA "smoking gun" -- footage or evidence of Baldoni grabbing Lively or physically forcing her to do something sexual. But that's not what she's alleging. Sexual harassment is a workplace violation wherein an employee is made to feel uncomfortable, to the point of interfering with their ability to do their job, due to a range of behaviors that can include: sexual innuendo, sexual propositions, sexist or gendered comments, sexually coercive comments or behaviors, among other things. Baldoni's and Heath's behavior may qualify.

I actually agree with this, esp the bolded, but I also think she lied about the dance scene, so IDK. It makes it hard to give her credibility on the rest. Her lawyers rephrased it to keep it in the complaint to save face, IMO, but I'd be very surprised if they bring it up at trial, because it's terrible evidence for her.

[Anonymous]

It seems that two content creators on tik tok are being muted. Literally. One is a prominent creator that has been outspoken against BL/RR and her sleuthing had uncovered the fake lawsuit/vanzan debacle. This is interesting because the videos that are being muted are the ones specific to vanzan…makes you wonder what more is to this vanzan thing.

https://www.reddit.com/r/teamjustinbaldoni/s/M0Cey2ksdQ