Blake Lively- Jason Baldoni and NYT - False Light claims

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Anonymous wrote:Her hair care line, Blake Brown, is still available for purchase but I haven't seen the pro-lively camp endorse, promote, or do any reviews for it. You would think with such mass support, it would be selling out in droves.

The pro-Lively camp on here is generally not fans but people interested in the legal case (I'm not even a supporter, and have criticized her and even called her a liar many times and get lumped in as being pro-Lively because sometimes I defend her side or call out Baldoni's side). As far as the legal case goes, they wouldn't be arguing that her haircare line is super successful. The argument for her side is that it's been damaged and sales were hurt. She's trying to rebuild her brand, and getting attacked for whatever baby steps she's taking while promoting her new film. So I would not expect her supporters on here to be gushing about her successful line, no.

Right. I don't really care about her acting, and less about her brands. I just think she has a legal case.

The other side to the pro-Baldoni argument above is that his movie, A Nice Indian Boy, isn't exactly killing it at the box office even though it (by comparison) has had great reviews. Less than $750,000 in box office receipts so far even though it's been out for a full month. Has it even recouped what it cost to make it (the actor Jonathan Groff must have been paid a good portion of that to appear in it)? Why aren't all the Baldoni fans making this more of a success and making it sell out in droves etc?

I did watch Another Simple Favor this weekend. It was relatively enjoyable -- I think Kendrick is a better actress than Lively tbh. I think Lively does well at sort of playing a jerk with a heart underneath, that's a role not everyone can pull off. The doppleganger was not my favorite. But I found the movie an enjoyable romp, similar to the first in spirit. I thought there were some in jokes relating to the litigation, tbh, but I might have just been reading to much into things (since I don't think Lively had a hand in the writing, ha).

Meanwhile, over on Reddit, the pro-Baldoni people are going a little insane. I haven't totally been keeping up but they seemed to be working on doxxing the pro-Lively lawyer I posted about here, and now they are mad at the Ask2Lawyers creators also because they dared to have an opinion on a legal issue that was slightly pro-Lively. All this and the leaving mean comments about Lively on people's sites etc -- it's a little off the charts. wtf are the pro-Baldoni people thinking? Take a little time, get a little perspective, etc. It's just ... a lot.

Well if I had to guess, the fury for her probably has to do with the fact that she's filed a lawsuit and made incendiary claims that have damaged a man, his family, and career that he has to fight and wait another year to recover from (and that's if the trial is resolved within the same year) while she's essentially been allowed to retain her regular life and make movies and cookies and act like nothing's happened. Women are definitely fighters and alleys for survivors of SA but women also have a strong sense of justice for what's right and wrong. And now that we have heard and seen some of the testimony and evidence from both sides, there is a collective sense of furor over what some perceive as a massive injustice done to this man.

+1 and now we know she’s done this before to the paparazzo. He lost two years of his life, his marriage, and his livelihood trying to fight Blake and Ryan’s lies only for the case to be dismissed in the end. And that case was worse because it was a criminal case and she implored the court to throw the book at him.

Some of us here happen to think that they’re horrible people who go around ruining marriages, abusing the legal system, disrespecting journalists and weaponizing social movements, and we simply want them to be held accountable for once in their lives.

+1 I’ve only posted here twice, but have been following. The amount of gaslighting with the pro- Lively posters is astounding. From what I see on social media and they’re really going all out! Look at how many people who have had to disable their comments that are in the lively camp or have had the misfortune of interacting/working/interviewing with her….looking at you Seth. Being pro-lively is not the norm. People are smart. They can clearly see how she and Ryan, as well as their PR are manipulating the public. And we are damn tired of it. Maybe I could have forgiven it and let it go, if only she just went silent. But the amount of mental gymnastics and “look at me” theatrics is cringey and inauthentic. She just keeps digging herself in a hole. Trying to control the narrative and I don’t think I’m the only one that’s sick of it.

I just do not think it is “manipulating the public” to do press for your new movie or to show up for your husband (at the Wrexham game). I do not think it’s normal to “go silent.” Going silent when you have a new movie would make you more of a liability, and would signal maybe you aren’t someone who should be hired anymore if you don’t have the guts to do press (as is probably required in your contract) in the face of some adversity.

What a weird thing you all are demanding of victims of SH and smear campaigns. I know, you don’t believe her. So I guess the ones who aren’t believed can be shamed into hiding their heads at home and shutting up and staying out of public view. That seems about right.

No. I went back and reviewed the dance clip scene. They are laughing, Blake is suggesting they keep talking thru the scene. Baldoni complements her and Ryan and what they have. She says something kind about Emily. All is good. They walk thru next steps to rehearse, Baldoni says something about his big nose. They laugh and she suggests he take time off to fix it. Still all good.

They are still dancing and talking, he talks about getting his beard on her. They laugh and he goes to her neck. She talks about her spray tan stuff getting on him. He says it smells good, and she says something else neutral. Then Baldoni says cut!


I watched this scene four times. I saw no discomfort. She lead a lot of the discussion while they danced. He did not appear to do anything too off script.

This was not sh.

This is why Baldoni has a lot of supporters. We saw the scene.

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Anonymous wrote:Her hair care line, Blake Brown, is still available for purchase but I haven't seen the pro-lively camp endorse, promote, or do any reviews for it. You would think with such mass support, it would be selling out in droves.

The pro-Lively camp on here is generally not fans but people interested in the legal case (I'm not even a supporter, and have criticized her and even called her a liar many times and get lumped in as being pro-Lively because sometimes I defend her side or call out Baldoni's side). As far as the legal case goes, they wouldn't be arguing that her haircare line is super successful. The argument for her side is that it's been damaged and sales were hurt. She's trying to rebuild her brand, and getting attacked for whatever baby steps she's taking while promoting her new film. So I would not expect her supporters on here to be gushing about her successful line, no.

Right. I don't really care about her acting, and less about her brands. I just think she has a legal case.

The other side to the pro-Baldoni argument above is that his movie, A Nice Indian Boy, isn't exactly killing it at the box office even though it (by comparison) has had great reviews. Less than $750,000 in box office receipts so far even though it's been out for a full month. Has it even recouped what it cost to make it (the actor Jonathan Groff must have been paid a good portion of that to appear in it)? Why aren't all the Baldoni fans making this more of a success and making it sell out in droves etc?

I did watch Another Simple Favor this weekend. It was relatively enjoyable -- I think Kendrick is a better actress than Lively tbh. I think Lively does well at sort of playing a jerk with a heart underneath, that's a role not everyone can pull off. The doppleganger was not my favorite. But I found the movie an enjoyable romp, similar to the first in spirit. I thought there were some in jokes relating to the litigation, tbh, but I might have just been reading to much into things (since I don't think Lively had a hand in the writing, ha).

Meanwhile, over on Reddit, the pro-Baldoni people are going a little insane. I haven't totally been keeping up but they seemed to be working on doxxing the pro-Lively lawyer I posted about here, and now they are mad at the Ask2Lawyers creators also because they dared to have an opinion on a legal issue that was slightly pro-Lively. All this and the leaving mean comments about Lively on people's sites etc -- it's a little off the charts. wtf are the pro-Baldoni people thinking? Take a little time, get a little perspective, etc. It's just ... a lot.

Well if I had to guess, the fury for her probably has to do with the fact that she's filed a lawsuit and made incendiary claims that have damaged a man, his family, and career that he has to fight and wait another year to recover from (and that's if the trial is resolved within the same year) while she's essentially been allowed to retain her regular life and make movies and cookies and act like nothing's happened. Women are definitely fighters and alleys for survivors of SA but women also have a strong sense of justice for what's right and wrong. And now that we have heard and seen some of the testimony and evidence from both sides, there is a collective sense of furor over what some perceive as a massive injustice done to this man.

+1 and now we know she’s done this before to the paparazzo. He lost two years of his life, his marriage, and his livelihood trying to fight Blake and Ryan’s lies only for the case to be dismissed in the end. And that case was worse because it was a criminal case and she implored the court to throw the book at him.

Some of us here happen to think that they’re horrible people who go around ruining marriages, abusing the legal system, disrespecting journalists and weaponizing social movements, and we simply want them to be held accountable for once in their lives.

+1 I’ve only posted here twice, but have been following. The amount of gaslighting with the pro- Lively posters is astounding. From what I see on social media and they’re really going all out! Look at how many people who have had to disable their comments that are in the lively camp or have had the misfortune of interacting/working/interviewing with her….looking at you Seth. Being pro-lively is not the norm. People are smart. They can clearly see how she and Ryan, as well as their PR are manipulating the public. And we are damn tired of it. Maybe I could have forgiven it and let it go, if only she just went silent. But the amount of mental gymnastics and “look at me” theatrics is cringey and inauthentic. She just keeps digging herself in a hole. Trying to control the narrative and I don’t think I’m the only one that’s sick of it.

I just do not think it is “manipulating the public” to do press for your new movie or to show up for your husband (at the Wrexham game). I do not think it’s normal to “go silent.” Going silent when you have a new movie would make you more of a liability, and would signal maybe you aren’t someone who should be hired anymore if you don’t have the guts to do press (as is probably required in your contract) in the face of some adversity.

What a weird thing you all are demanding of victims of SH and smear campaigns. I know, you don’t believe her. So I guess the ones who aren’t believed can be shamed into hiding their heads at home and shutting up and staying out of public view. That seems about right.

No. I went back and reviewed the dance clip scene. They are laughing, Blake is suggesting they keep talking thru the scene. Baldoni complements her and Ryan and what they have. She says something kind about Emily. All is good. They walk thru next steps to rehearse, Baldoni says something about his big nose. They laugh and she suggests he take time off to fix it. Still all good.

They are still dancing and talking, he talks about getting his beard on her. They laugh and he goes to her neck. She talks about her spray tan stuff getting on him. He says it smells good, and she says something else neutral. Then Baldoni says cut!


I watched this scene four times. I saw no discomfort. She lead a lot of the discussion while they danced. He did not appear to do anything too off script.

This was not sh.

This is why Baldoni has a lot of supporters. We saw the scene.

I have also watched this scene several times. She was “acting” happy and smiley because she is acting the role of a woman falling in love — while at the same time constantly pulling away from his attempts to kiss her which were not agreed upon or scripted. She was keeping the conversation going to try to prevent the kissing. The kissing and nuzzling were not scripted and were not wanted, but she was still smiling through them (while trying to prevent them) because she was acting.

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This is it: they talk about restraining from kissing throughout the scene, etc.

There is a lot of laughter and Blake appears comfortable. How is this SH?

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Anonymous wrote:Her hair care line, Blake Brown, is still available for purchase but I haven't seen the pro-lively camp endorse, promote, or do any reviews for it. You would think with such mass support, it would be selling out in droves.

The pro-Lively camp on here is generally not fans but people interested in the legal case (I'm not even a supporter, and have criticized her and even called her a liar many times and get lumped in as being pro-Lively because sometimes I defend her side or call out Baldoni's side). As far as the legal case goes, they wouldn't be arguing that her haircare line is super successful. The argument for her side is that it's been damaged and sales were hurt. She's trying to rebuild her brand, and getting attacked for whatever baby steps she's taking while promoting her new film. So I would not expect her supporters on here to be gushing about her successful line, no.

Right. I don't really care about her acting, and less about her brands. I just think she has a legal case.

The other side to the pro-Baldoni argument above is that his movie, A Nice Indian Boy, isn't exactly killing it at the box office even though it (by comparison) has had great reviews. Less than $750,000 in box office receipts so far even though it's been out for a full month. Has it even recouped what it cost to make it (the actor Jonathan Groff must have been paid a good portion of that to appear in it)? Why aren't all the Baldoni fans making this more of a success and making it sell out in droves etc?

I did watch Another Simple Favor this weekend. It was relatively enjoyable -- I think Kendrick is a better actress than Lively tbh. I think Lively does well at sort of playing a jerk with a heart underneath, that's a role not everyone can pull off. The doppleganger was not my favorite. But I found the movie an enjoyable romp, similar to the first in spirit. I thought there were some in jokes relating to the litigation, tbh, but I might have just been reading to much into things (since I don't think Lively had a hand in the writing, ha).

Meanwhile, over on Reddit, the pro-Baldoni people are going a little insane. I haven't totally been keeping up but they seemed to be working on doxxing the pro-Lively lawyer I posted about here, and now they are mad at the Ask2Lawyers creators also because they dared to have an opinion on a legal issue that was slightly pro-Lively. All this and the leaving mean comments about Lively on people's sites etc -- it's a little off the charts. wtf are the pro-Baldoni people thinking? Take a little time, get a little perspective, etc. It's just ... a lot.

Well if I had to guess, the fury for her probably has to do with the fact that she's filed a lawsuit and made incendiary claims that have damaged a man, his family, and career that he has to fight and wait another year to recover from (and that's if the trial is resolved within the same year) while she's essentially been allowed to retain her regular life and make movies and cookies and act like nothing's happened. Women are definitely fighters and alleys for survivors of SA but women also have a strong sense of justice for what's right and wrong. And now that we have heard and seen some of the testimony and evidence from both sides, there is a collective sense of furor over what some perceive as a massive injustice done to this man.

+1 and now we know she’s done this before to the paparazzo. He lost two years of his life, his marriage, and his livelihood trying to fight Blake and Ryan’s lies only for the case to be dismissed in the end. And that case was worse because it was a criminal case and she implored the court to throw the book at him.

Some of us here happen to think that they’re horrible people who go around ruining marriages, abusing the legal system, disrespecting journalists and weaponizing social movements, and we simply want them to be held accountable for once in their lives.

+1 I’ve only posted here twice, but have been following. The amount of gaslighting with the pro- Lively posters is astounding. From what I see on social media and they’re really going all out! Look at how many people who have had to disable their comments that are in the lively camp or have had the misfortune of interacting/working/interviewing with her….looking at you Seth. Being pro-lively is not the norm. People are smart. They can clearly see how she and Ryan, as well as their PR are manipulating the public. And we are damn tired of it. Maybe I could have forgiven it and let it go, if only she just went silent. But the amount of mental gymnastics and “look at me” theatrics is cringey and inauthentic. She just keeps digging herself in a hole. Trying to control the narrative and I don’t think I’m the only one that’s sick of it.

I just do not think it is “manipulating the public” to do press for your new movie or to show up for your husband (at the Wrexham game). I do not think it’s normal to “go silent.” Going silent when you have a new movie would make you more of a liability, and would signal maybe you aren’t someone who should be hired anymore if you don’t have the guts to do press (as is probably required in your contract) in the face of some adversity.

What a weird thing you all are demanding of victims of SH and smear campaigns. I know, you don’t believe her. So I guess the ones who aren’t believed can be shamed into hiding their heads at home and shutting up and staying out of public view. That seems about right.

No. I went back and reviewed the dance clip scene. They are laughing, Blake is suggesting they keep talking thru the scene. Baldoni complements her and Ryan and what they have. She says something kind about Emily. All is good. They walk thru next steps to rehearse, Baldoni says something about his big nose. They laugh and she suggests he take time off to fix it. Still all good.

They are still dancing and talking, he talks about getting his beard on her. They laugh and he goes to her neck. She talks about her spray tan stuff getting on him. He says it smells good, and she says something else neutral. Then Baldoni says cut!


I watched this scene four times. I saw no discomfort. She lead a lot of the discussion while they danced. He did not appear to do anything too off script.

This was not sh.

This is why Baldoni has a lot of supporters. We saw the scene.

I have also watched this scene several times. She was “acting” happy and smiley because she is acting the role of a woman falling in love — while at the same time constantly pulling away from his attempts to kiss her which were not agreed upon or scripted. She was keeping the conversation going to try to prevent the kissing. The kissing and nuzzling were not scripted and were not wanted, but she was still smiling through them (while trying to prevent them) because she was acting.

If you listen to/read the words, that’s exactly what they said they would do—restrain from kissing, almost kiss but not kiss. They say it right there in the video.

Then he smells her and apologizes for his beard, the spray tan and body lotion comments come forward then. Everyone still seem good. Then he calls cut!

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She is smiling and laughing because she is acting the part of a woman falling in love. At the same time, she is pulling away and trying to stop the nuzzling and kissing, which were not scripted. She viewed the dancing scene as one where they were falling in love by talking to one another. He viewed it, in typical male way, of falling in love by making out I guess.

The script doesn’t call for kissing. Him adding that without a discussion or coordination, when Lively did not expect or agree to it, was part of a series of calls he made for extra intimacy or nudity he was requiring of Lively that was not in the script she agreed to and/or was sprung on her at the last minute in an unprofessional way. It’s not just one incident but his pattern of doing this without her consent.

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Bs. They say it right there. Blake directs them to talk. They both say restraint, then Blake says it’s better that way, to not give the audience what they want.

Both agree to this. He smells her neck and they restrain from kissing again.

There is no discomfort. If she is upset because he leans in to smell her neck and hair, no facial
Kisses except on forehead, this is considered harassment? Bs

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I’m starting to believe all Blake supporters are Crucible lovers. You are imagining discomfort because she says she was uncomfortable even though she suggested the restrained kissing and playfully gushed about her spray tanner and body lotion.

This is absurd! But then again, if Heath “looked at her” while she was breast pumping, even though she invited him into the trailer, than that too is inappropriate?

This is post facto mistruths. Lively can’t suggest they do a scene one way, then do just that, and then claim that it was an overbroad interpretation. She wanted the talking, she wanted almost kissing and sexual tension in the scene. You can’t go back later and claim the sexual tension made you uncomfortable.

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Anonymous wrote:Bs. They say it right there. Blake directs them to talk. They both say restraint, then Blake says it’s better that way, to not give the audience what they want.

Both agree to this. He smells her neck and they restrain from kissing again.

There is no discomfort. If she is upset because he leans in to smell her neck and hair, no facial
Kisses except on forehead, this is considered harassment? Bs

She has to negotiate the no more kissing with him in the middle of the scene. From the original video posted by Freedman, when the scene first started, Baldoni was kissing her neck and leaning in to kiss her. At one point he kisses her neck and she is like “oh” in a kind of “ick” way but I’m not sure if she’s reacting to the kiss or what he is saying about the lighting. I took the “oh” to be in part a comment that she did not expect that kiss on her neck. Then after he continues the attempted kissing she negotiates the no more kissing agreement, in part making it be about the characters and the audience. But also, per her complaint, she just didn’t want him kissing her unannounced in a way that wasn’t scripted and that she didn’t agree to. And as an experienced actor and director, he should t be adding in unscripted kissing and intimacy to a script without notice to his cast. She was put on the spot having to deal with it and talk him out of it, while filming!! Sheesh.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m starting to believe all Blake supporters are Crucible lovers. You are imagining discomfort because she says she was uncomfortable even though she suggested the restrained kissing and playfully gushed about her spray tanner and body lotion.

This is absurd! But then again, if Heath “looked at her” while she was breast pumping, even though she invited him into the trailer, than that too is inappropriate?

This is post facto mistruths. Lively can’t suggest they do a scene one way, then do just that, and then claim that it was an overbroad interpretation. She wanted the talking, she wanted almost kissing and sexual tension in the scene. You can’t go back later and claim the sexual tension made you uncomfortable.

"post facto mistruths" is a great phrase, I'm gonna steal this from you!

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Where is the proof that the kissing and nuzzling were not scripted?

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Anonymous wrote:Where is the proof that the kissing and nuzzling were not scripted?

Freedman posted the relevant script page when posting the original bar scene footage. The script read: “Lily and Ryle slow dance in the bar. Patrons around them drinking and watching sports. Completely in their own world.”

There are no instructions for kissing, and it is not usual to spring that on a costar. This was unprofessional.

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There is no SH in that scene. If you see it, you are imagining it. It’s too dumb to even talk about at this point, because if that’s SH we are all SH’ing people: I walked into his office and Jimbo turned away to look out the window. Clearly I make him uncomfortable and should just kill myself for existing.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no SH in that scene. If you see it, you are imagining it. It’s too dumb to even talk about at this point, because if that’s SH we are all SH’ing people: I walked into his office and Jimbo turned away to look out the window. Clearly I make him uncomfortable and should just kill myself for existing.

She had to talk him out of kissing her in a scene where no kissing was scripted and where he shouldn’t have been adding it in without notice. She had to fight for that, while they were actually shooting the scene. She had to talk him out of trying to film her completely nude in the birth scene, where the script gave her no warning he wanted to film her topless and with minimal bottom covering. I believe he wanted to add in scenes showing her climaxing onscreen although that was not in the script singe signed on to. It’s not so much this one scene, but his pattern of springing additional unexpected sex/intimacy/nudity on her that made working with him so challenging.

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I don't look at the scene and thin "That's sexual harassment!"

I look at the scene and think, "She looks and sounds uncomfortable. She especially looks annoyed when he is leaning in and putting his face near hers or nuzzling her neck, and she is clearly trying a variety of ways to create some distance -- suggesting they talk, initiating "dancing spins, etc. They do not seem to have a very productive working relationship and they both seem annoyed with each other."

I do not think she looks very comfortable and happy. He also doesn't seem happy. They look like people working at cross purposes but who know all eyes are on them and they have to remain polite and pleasant, and are also both trying to "play" the scene for the cameras.

I do not think the scene proves there was not SH. I also don't think it proves there was SH. I think if she can establish that his interaction was part of a pervasive pattern of behavior where Baldoni ignores or pushes past her trying to set physical boundaries with him, it *could* be part of proving SH as one example.

I also think it's really important to know what was discussed after the scene. According to Lively's complaint, she raised the issue of his behavior in this scene afterwards, and he said something like "I'm not even attracted to you" in his defense. I would like to know more about that discussion, especially from third parties who may have been present, as I think it will help show how both parties felt about the scene and also how Baldoni/Wayfarer responded to an actresses saying "this made me uncomfortable and crossed a line with me." That all seems relevant.

I think if you are drawing conclusions either way based on that footage, you are missing the forrest for one tree.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't look at the scene and thin "That's sexual harassment!"

I look at the scene and think, "She looks and sounds uncomfortable. She especially looks annoyed when he is leaning in and putting his face near hers or nuzzling her neck, and she is clearly trying a variety of ways to create some distance -- suggesting they talk, initiating "dancing spins, etc. They do not seem to have a very productive working relationship and they both seem annoyed with each other."

I do not think she looks very comfortable and happy. He also doesn't seem happy. They look like people working at cross purposes but who know all eyes are on them and they have to remain polite and pleasant, and are also both trying to "play" the scene for the cameras.

I do not think the scene proves there was not SH. I also don't think it proves there was SH. I think if she can establish that his interaction was part of a pervasive pattern of behavior where Baldoni ignores or pushes past her trying to set physical boundaries with him, it *could* be part of proving SH as one example.

I also think it's really important to know what was discussed after the scene. According to Lively's complaint, she raised the issue of his behavior in this scene afterwards, and he said something like "I'm not even attracted to you" in his defense. I would like to know more about that discussion, especially from third parties who may have been present, as I think it will help show how both parties felt about the scene and also how Baldoni/Wayfarer responded to an actresses saying "this made me uncomfortable and crossed a line with me." That all seems relevant.

I think if you are drawing conclusions either way based on that footage, you are missing the forrest for one tree.

I think we may have cross posted, but I am not trying to say that this single scene is proof of SH. I am saying it was part of a pattern of behavior where Baldoni sprung unscripted kissing, intimacy, or nudity on Lively that wasn’t part of the script Lively agreed to and wasn’t mutually worked out in advance. Consistently surprising her with this stuff and just expecting her to do it can be SH. It was not professional behavior.