Include FSIQ in Initial Packet?

[Anonymous]

My child had an average NNAT score (107), but we had observed many gifted traits in them through early childhood. We were surprised by the score, and so went to GMU last spring for the WISC to basically see what was going on in their head. That score reflected the abilities that we had seen (FSIQ 133, with VCI 121, VSI 138, FRI 144, WMI 117, PSI 108).

COGAT came back today and kid's in pool with 132 composite (126/134/120). Would you let that COGAT and the teacher's commentary stand on its own, or include the WISC results in the initial packet? I see value in saving for appeal, but would also love to not have to appeal in the first place. For what it's worth, kid is very social and somewhat goofy-- when I mentioned at the conference that we would be referring for AAP, teacher was surprised, but took back a work sample she had just given me to save for a packet. I think kid gets pegged as sweet and kind, not smart.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My child had an average NNAT score (107), but we had observed many gifted traits in them through early childhood. We were surprised by the score, and so went to GMU last spring for the WISC to basically see what was going on in their head. That score reflected the abilities that we had seen (FSIQ 133, with VCI 121, VSI 138, FRI 144, WMI 117, PSI 108).

COGAT came back today and kid's in pool with 132 composite (126/134/120). Would you let that COGAT and the teacher's commentary stand on its own, or include the WISC results in the initial packet? I see value in saving for appeal, but would also love to not have to appeal in the first place. For what it's worth, kid is very social and somewhat goofy-- when I mentioned at the conference that we would be referring for AAP, teacher was surprised, but took back a work sample she had just given me to save for a packet. I think kid gets pegged as sweet and kind, not smart.

I probably would save it for an appeal so you have new information. Especially bc VCI and WMI are low.

[Anonymous]

I think I would include it - better not to have to deal with appeal if you can help it IMO.

[Anonymous]

You can use work samples as new information for the appeal so I would include it in the initial packet.

[Anonymous]

Child should be admitted with those scores so I would include in the first file.

[Anonymous]

I would include it but those scores are not strong enough to necessarily mean you won't also have to appeal but including it could increase your chances that you won't have to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You can use work samples as new information for the appeal so I would include it in the initial packet.

Yes, but it could be harder to find new work samples. It may also appear desperate to the committee. I think having strong WISC scores as the new information is better than just new work samples.

I repeat, I would NOT include the WISC scores now. They aren’t necessary!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think I would include it - better not to have to deal with appeal if you can help it IMO.

+1

[Anonymous]

I would include it. If your child's teacher gives a poor GBRS or you have poor work samples, the CogAT isn't good enough to stand on its own. The CogAT + WISC should be enough to get in, no matter what the teacher thinks about your child.

Also, VCI 121 is not low, even for AAP. OP's kid has around a 92nd percentile in verbal on WISC and a 95th or 96th in verbal on CogAT. Those verbal scores are very similar to what most kids in AAP have.

[Anonymous]

Omg include it. No question. You might have to appeal otherwise with a 107/132. But if you give them another gifted data point (which the WISC is, and it’s a much stronger instrument) I guarantee they will accept your child.

If not, you can get another test administered if you so wish.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can use work samples as new information for the appeal so I would include it in the initial packet.

Yes, but it could be harder to find new work samples. It may also appear desperate to the committee. I think having strong WISC scores as the new information is better than just new work samples.

I repeat, I would NOT include the WISC scores now. They aren’t necessary!

Another one who votes to hold it for an appeal, and work on a strong parental package and work samples this go round.

[Anonymous]

This child should be accepted with that WISC—-it’s from
Mason, not one of the suspect psychs. Include it so you don’t have to deal with an appeal.

[Anonymous]

The NNAT score seems to be the least important.

[Anonymous]

I am still waiting for my kid’s results. But wow the above scores with 132 composite and 126/134/120 is not strong enough on its own?! I did not know that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am still waiting for my kid’s results. But wow the above scores with 132 composite and 126/134/120 is not strong enough on its own?! I did not know that.

They are strong enough.
People are paranoid.