Include FSIQ in Initial Packet?

[Anonymous]

“I am not an employee of FCPS, but let me explain “level II” differentiation to you and casually attempt to discredit you one more time as ‘angry.’” Ha!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am still waiting for my kid’s results. But wow the above scores with 132 composite and 126/134/120 is not strong enough on its own?! I did not know that.

They are strong enough.
People are paranoid.

Think that and wait . . . you will see . . .


~Parent who has been through this 3 times and had to appeal once for a kid who has a 129 NNAT, a CogAT score of 132, and a WISC-V of 134 all submitted in the first round.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would include it but those scores are not strong enough to necessarily mean you won't also have to appeal but including it could increase your chances that you won't have to.

This! I don't know about last year but go read the acceptance thread from 2 years ago and see all the rejected kids who had the same or better scores than what this OP is presenting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ha! Mensa should change. FCPS knows better. Says everything. Here is what I have seen so far in FCPS: No differentiation until third grade AAP. Teaching the bottom 10 kids to meet the SOL test scores all day while making the other 18 kids do busy work. Schools coasting on the scores from kids that are left for their parents to teach. Movie day every other week. But no, FCPS will NOT accept the results of a cognitive abilities test. No. Those reflect skills that can be taught through prepping, like by doing puzzles, or playing with legos, or actively engaging or challenging a child. Those tests might even reveal aptitude in a child that is lost in a crowd of 28. Listen to the “holistic” approach instead. All hail the GBRS!!! If you have a loud mouth jerk, that is language arts aptitude! Consistently observed speaking with confidence! Consistently shows exceptional motivation to succeed! How about video games and screen time? Consistently observed using technology in advanced applications! Continually disrupts class to draw attention to themselves. Consistently observed displaying a keen sense of humor!!!! Everyone is exceptional and deserves access to resources to meet those needs!!! Except if you score high enough on a non-language based test to get into Mensa, but have been overlooked, and shoved in the corner, by a school system that can’t bother with differentiation in the classroom. In that case, you are probably a “prepper.”

Oh boy. It might help to talk to a therapist about why you are so very angry that your child is not in AAP.

+1,000

[Anonymous]

I would include the WISC in the initial packet. I think with the other test scores it will give a better chance of being admitted. Then, if you need to appeal you can use new work samples, and there is a lot of time for your DC to do new work at school between now and April.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would include the WISC in the initial packet. I think with the other test scores it will give a better chance of being admitted. Then, if you need to appeal you can use new work samples, and there is a lot of time for your DC to do new work at school between now and April.

Just having a new work sample won’t be enough to sway them the second time around. I would let the CoGAT scores stand and see what happens,

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would include the WISC in the initial packet. I think with the other test scores it will give a better chance of being admitted. Then, if you need to appeal you can use new work samples, and there is a lot of time for your DC to do new work at school between now and April.

Just having a new work sample won’t be enough to sway them the second time around. I would let the CoGAT scores stand and see what happens,

Nope, doesn't make sense. If the WISC is good enough to sway them on appeal, you should just include it in the application and avoid having to resort to an appeal.

[Anonymous]

Does anyone in this thread have a homeschool/private school student who recently applied for Level IV AAP?

My daughter is in 2nd grade now, goes to a private school and because we had to pay for private testing since we're not yet part of FCPS, I went ahead and did the WISC over the summer. Many told me it was the "gold standard" in terms of test scores and encouraged me to just have her do that one versus the ones administered in FCPS schools. Her composite score was 129 (97th percentile). Her GBRS from her teachers was awesome -- got all the highest marks. I submitted a few work samples as well.

Anyway, we got the letter yesterday that she was rejected from Level IV.

Any thoughts on this? Seems kind of strange based on what I have read. And of course the rejection letter comes with no explanation.

The other thing that never occurred to me until yesterday is that the fall Level IV application period is supposedly for kids who want to enter into FCPS in January 2020. As I said, my daughter's in 2nd grade now so she wouldn't even be able to start until fall 2020 (3rd grade). So....did I make a total bonehead mistake and apply too soon? Is that why she was rejected?

Thanks for any insight you all have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am still waiting for my kid’s results. But wow the above scores with 132 composite and 126/134/120 is not strong enough on its own?! I did not know that.

They are strong enough.
People are paranoid.

Think that and wait . . . you will see . . .


~Parent who has been through this 3 times and had to appeal once for a kid who has a 129 NNAT, a CogAT score of 132, and a WISC-V of 134 all submitted in the first round.

Wow, a WISC of 134? And you still had to appeal? That's weird but I am in the same situation. My daughter got a 129 on the WISC, which we submitted first round. GBRS scores and comments were glowing.

So what is it you submitted on appeal that swayed the committee to accept your son/daughter for Level IV? That's what I am struggling with....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am still waiting for my kid’s results. But wow the above scores with 132 composite and 126/134/120 is not strong enough on its own?! I did not know that.

They are strong enough.
People are paranoid.

Think that and wait . . . you will see . . .


~Parent who has been through this 3 times and had to appeal once for a kid who has a 129 NNAT, a CogAT score of 132, and a WISC-V of 134 all submitted in the first round.

Was that last year? There were a lot of crazy results last year. Did you ever get the GBRS for that kid?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone in this thread have a homeschool/private school student who recently applied for Level IV AAP?

My daughter is in 2nd grade now, goes to a private school and because we had to pay for private testing since we're not yet part of FCPS, I went ahead and did the WISC over the summer. Many told me it was the "gold standard" in terms of test scores and encouraged me to just have her do that one versus the ones administered in FCPS schools. Her composite score was 129 (97th percentile). Her GBRS from her teachers was awesome -- got all the highest marks. I submitted a few work samples as well.

Anyway, we got the letter yesterday that she was rejected from Level IV.

Any thoughts on this? Seems kind of strange based on what I have read. And of course the rejection letter comes with no explanation.

The other thing that never occurred to me until yesterday is that the fall Level IV application period is supposedly for kids who want to enter into FCPS in January 2020. As I said, my daughter's in 2nd grade now so she wouldn't even be able to start until fall 2020 (3rd grade). So....did I make a total bonehead mistake and apply too soon? Is that why she was rejected?

Thanks for any insight you all have.

https://www.fcps.edu/registration/advanced-academics-identification-and-placement/current-fcps-students

Can you call your local school AART and ask them what you should do? My kid is a second grader in FCPS so I know what that system looks like. I would imagine that you would apply in the normal window like a FCPS student. Looking at the website it says "Advanced Academic Programs Level IV Referral Form for new FCPS students (enrolled after January 2019) due to AART at attending elementary school or school counselor at the middle school." Your child is not newly enrolled in FCPS right now and it sounds like you are looking for next year.

But I wold call your neighborhood ES and ask the AART there what the process is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone in this thread have a homeschool/private school student who recently applied for Level IV AAP?

My daughter is in 2nd grade now, goes to a private school and because we had to pay for private testing since we're not yet part of FCPS, I went ahead and did the WISC over the summer. Many told me it was the "gold standard" in terms of test scores and encouraged me to just have her do that one versus the ones administered in FCPS schools. Her composite score was 129 (97th percentile). Her GBRS from her teachers was awesome -- got all the highest marks. I submitted a few work samples as well.

Anyway, we got the letter yesterday that she was rejected from Level IV.

Any thoughts on this? Seems kind of strange based on what I have read. And of course the rejection letter comes with no explanation.

The other thing that never occurred to me until yesterday is that the fall Level IV application period is supposedly for kids who want to enter into FCPS in January 2020. As I said, my daughter's in 2nd grade now so she wouldn't even be able to start until fall 2020 (3rd grade). So....did I make a total bonehead mistake and apply too soon? Is that why she was rejected?

Thanks for any insight you all have.

https://www.fcps.edu/registration/advanced-academics-identification-and-placement/current-fcps-students

Can you call your local school AART and ask them what you should do? My kid is a second grader in FCPS so I know what that system looks like. I would imagine that you would apply in the normal window like a FCPS student. Looking at the website it says "Advanced Academic Programs Level IV Referral Form for new FCPS students (enrolled after January 2019) due to AART at attending elementary school or school counselor at the middle school." Your child is not newly enrolled in FCPS right now and it sounds like you are looking for next year.

But I wold call your neighborhood ES and ask the AART there what the process is.

Great advice, thank you. Yeah, I think I screwed this up because I was supposed to apply in January, not two months ago. I will call my local ES and get their advice. I also wonder if appealing with a letter that says I was looking for fall 2020 admission might help....but I have very little insight to the process so who knows

[Anonymous]

I would just resubmit your materials on the correct deadline. By the way, past acceptance/rejection threads suggest they really give NO weight to a GBRS coming from outside of FCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would just resubmit your materials on the correct deadline. By the way, past acceptance/rejection threads suggest they really give NO weight to a GBRS coming from outside of FCPS.

Sorry this was meant for the private school PP whose kid was just rejected. OP, I’d submit WISC score with original packet. While a new work sample isn’t going to change anyone’s mind on appeal, that isn’t the task. You get a new set of eyes. So the new work sample is just to meet appeal guidelines and what you really want is just a new set of eyes that will accept a student that should have been accepted in the first instance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would just resubmit your materials on the correct deadline. By the way, past acceptance/rejection threads suggest they really give NO weight to a GBRS coming from outside of FCPS.

+1

They also have no trust in grades from private schools, and are doubtful of anything that says your child is working ahead of grade-level until that is proven by FCPS-blessed means.