FCPS Boundary Review Updates

[Anonymous]

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For years now, FCPS has been planning to expanding Centreville to 3000. That's very big, and maybe they will scale back that expansion if KAA opens, but if they were prepared to expand Centreville to 3000 they certainly could have expanded Chantilly's permanent capacity to 2750, which would help with overcrowding there, especially given FCPS's own projections that enrollment at Chantilly will decline by almost 300 students over the next five years.

Do you have any idea how many kids live near Chantilly High School that are sent elsewhere because of space? Hint: It's far more than 300.

And, I suggest you look at a satellite map of Chantilly High School. There is already limited parking and sports teams have to practice off site. I guess they could add a third story--but that would require closing the school, I think.

West Springfield added a 3rd story along with a full down to the studs renovation, with a full campus of students.

They did it section by section, walling off each hallway that was under construction then moving to another section.

They used portable classrooms for the overflow.

It took years and years to the tune of $93 million dollars.

Less than 3 1/2 years.

They finished early and under budget.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

For years now, FCPS has been planning to expanding Centreville to 3000. That's very big, and maybe they will scale back that expansion if KAA opens, but if they were prepared to expand Centreville to 3000 they certainly could have expanded Chantilly's permanent capacity to 2750, which would help with overcrowding there, especially given FCPS's own projections that enrollment at Chantilly will decline by almost 300 students over the next five years.

Do you have any idea how many kids live near Chantilly High School that are sent elsewhere because of space? Hint: It's far more than 300.

And, I suggest you look at a satellite map of Chantilly High School. There is already limited parking and sports teams have to practice off site. I guess they could add a third story--but that would require closing the school, I think.

West Springfield added a 3rd story along with a full down to the studs renovation, with a full campus of students.

They did it section by section, walling off each hallway that was under construction then moving to another section.

They used portable classrooms for the overflow.

It took years and years to the tune of $93 million dollars.

Less than 3 1/2 years.

They finished early and under budget.

Curious. Source for that, because the last CIP I could find said $93 million--I think this is the year it was completed.

[Anonymous]

Chantilly is a MUCH more affluent school than the schools surrounding it! You can make a point without exagerating. Compare the FARMs rates for Chantilly vs Centreville, Westfield, South Lakes and Herndon. Huge difference:

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

For years now, FCPS has been planning to expanding Centreville to 3000. That's very big, and maybe they will scale back that expansion if KAA opens, but if they were prepared to expand Centreville to 3000 they certainly could have expanded Chantilly's permanent capacity to 2750, which would help with overcrowding there, especially given FCPS's own projections that enrollment at Chantilly will decline by almost 300 students over the next five years.

Do you have any idea how many kids live near Chantilly High School that are sent elsewhere because of space? Hint: It's far more than 300.

And, I suggest you look at a satellite map of Chantilly High School. There is already limited parking and sports teams have to practice off site. I guess they could add a third story--but that would require closing the school, I think.

West Springfield added a 3rd story along with a full down to the studs renovation, with a full campus of students.

They did it section by section, walling off each hallway that was under construction then moving to another section.

They used portable classrooms for the overflow.

Then, why didn't school board do that for Chantilly? Of course, it would need 3500 seats.But, I guess that it is not needed now that KAA Is available and will solve lots of probl3ms. FWIW, no one is lobbying to leave Chantilly..

No, but others are lobbying to leave Westfield, South Lakes, and Oakton.

But it's unlikely they won't move Oak Hill out of Chantilly if KAA goes through. Several School Board members have already said one of the main justifications is to "help" Chantilly. The community unfortunately didn't get the benefit of FCPS identifying and exploring alternatives and their cost.

By the way, it's absurd to claim it would have meant expanding Chantilly to 3500 seats.

If you put in the students who are bused away, it would. Remember, they took much of Navy out a few years ago.

"No, but others are lobbying to leave Westfield, South Lakes, and Oakton. "


I cannot speak to South Lakes, as the Fox Mill area is close to South Lakes. I know there is someone (s?) on this forum who really wants the Fox Mill community to go to KAA. That does not seem likely to me. The boundary is contiguous.

However, those being sent to Westfield have a substantial bus ride and are separated from the rest of the school student community. This does not create a school community--which is one reason people like Chantilly. Chantilly is not an affluent school and never has been, but it has a community feel.

While Oakton's boundary is somewhat contiguous, it is a thirty minute bus ride at best. It also requires Oakton student drivers to be on I66 or winding back roads. And, it would appear that --in a few short years--there will be a lot of growth in the
Oakton area.

Westfield is not a community school for anyone. No one even lives within walking distance. That's not a good reason to move kids out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

For years now, FCPS has been planning to expanding Centreville to 3000. That's very big, and maybe they will scale back that expansion if KAA opens, but if they were prepared to expand Centreville to 3000 they certainly could have expanded Chantilly's permanent capacity to 2750, which would help with overcrowding there, especially given FCPS's own projections that enrollment at Chantilly will decline by almost 300 students over the next five years.

Do you have any idea how many kids live near Chantilly High School that are sent elsewhere because of space? Hint: It's far more than 300.

And, I suggest you look at a satellite map of Chantilly High School. There is already limited parking and sports teams have to practice off site. I guess they could add a third story--but that would require closing the school, I think.

West Springfield added a 3rd story along with a full down to the studs renovation, with a full campus of students.

They did it section by section, walling off each hallway that was under construction then moving to another section.

They used portable classrooms for the overflow.

Then, why didn't school board do that for Chantilly? Of course, it would need 3500 seats.But, I guess that it is not needed now that KAA Is available and will solve lots of probl3ms. FWIW, no one is lobbying to leave Chantilly..

No, but others are lobbying to leave Westfield, South Lakes, and Oakton.

But it's unlikely they won't move Oak Hill out of Chantilly if KAA goes through. Several School Board members have already said one of the main justifications is to "help" Chantilly. The community unfortunately didn't get the benefit of FCPS identifying and exploring alternatives and their cost.

By the way, it's absurd to claim it would have meant expanding Chantilly to 3500 seats.

If you put in the students who are bused away, it would. Remember, they took much of Navy out a few years ago.

"No, but others are lobbying to leave Westfield, South Lakes, and Oakton. "


I cannot speak to South Lakes, as the Fox Mill area is close to South Lakes. I know there is someone (s?) on this forum who really wants the Fox Mill community to go to KAA. That does not seem likely to me. The boundary is contiguous.

However, those being sent to Westfield have a substantial bus ride and are separated from the rest of the school student community. This does not create a school community--which is one reason people like Chantilly. Chantilly is not an affluent school and never has been, but it has a community feel.

While Oakton's boundary is somewhat contiguous, it is a thirty minute bus ride at best. It also requires Oakton student drivers to be on I66 or winding back roads. And, it would appear that --in a few short years--there will be a lot of growth in the
Oakton area.

Westfield is not a community school for anyone. No one even lives within walking distance. That's not a good reason to move kids out.

The neighborhoods on the Centreville side of Westfield are contiguous to one another. All neighborhoods at Chantilly are not walking distance, but they are next to other neighborhoods that go there. There is no break between them.

The other neighborhoods at Westfield are not separated by large industrial/warehouse/commercial/retail areas and Dulles Airport. That is the nature of the area. And, there are new neighborhoods being built by Westfield. Stonecroft, Lee Road, etc. They are not a thirty minute drive from Westfield on a school bus. And, there is not a high school that is as close to those neighborhoods as Westfield. Big difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

For years now, FCPS has been planning to expanding Centreville to 3000. That's very big, and maybe they will scale back that expansion if KAA opens, but if they were prepared to expand Centreville to 3000 they certainly could have expanded Chantilly's permanent capacity to 2750, which would help with overcrowding there, especially given FCPS's own projections that enrollment at Chantilly will decline by almost 300 students over the next five years.

Do you have any idea how many kids live near Chantilly High School that are sent elsewhere because of space? Hint: It's far more than 300.

And, I suggest you look at a satellite map of Chantilly High School. There is already limited parking and sports teams have to practice off site. I guess they could add a third story--but that would require closing the school, I think.

West Springfield added a 3rd story along with a full down to the studs renovation, with a full campus of students.

They did it section by section, walling off each hallway that was under construction then moving to another section.

They used portable classrooms for the overflow.

It took years and years to the tune of $93 million dollars.

West Springfield received a full renovation and expansion at the same time. Other schools have just been expanded, at a cost of substantially less than $93 million. The poster who brought up the West Springfield addition did so to make the point that a school can be expanded and remain open at the same time, not to suggest every addition would cost as much as WSHS's full renovation and expansion.

The willingness of some who welcome a new HS at KAA to make misleading comments about the cost of a simple addition is troubling. Are they intentionally trying to inflate the cost to support the claim the KAA purchase is a bargain or are they just dense? At this point it's hard to tell.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

For years now, FCPS has been planning to expanding Centreville to 3000. That's very big, and maybe they will scale back that expansion if KAA opens, but if they were prepared to expand Centreville to 3000 they certainly could have expanded Chantilly's permanent capacity to 2750, which would help with overcrowding there, especially given FCPS's own projections that enrollment at Chantilly will decline by almost 300 students over the next five years.

Do you have any idea how many kids live near Chantilly High School that are sent elsewhere because of space? Hint: It's far more than 300.

And, I suggest you look at a satellite map of Chantilly High School. There is already limited parking and sports teams have to practice off site. I guess they could add a third story--but that would require closing the school, I think.

West Springfield added a 3rd story along with a full down to the studs renovation, with a full campus of students.

They did it section by section, walling off each hallway that was under construction then moving to another section.

They used portable classrooms for the overflow.

Then, why didn't school board do that for Chantilly? Of course, it would need 3500 seats.But, I guess that it is not needed now that KAA Is available and will solve lots of probl3ms. FWIW, no one is lobbying to leave Chantilly..

No, but others are lobbying to leave Westfield, South Lakes, and Oakton.

But it's unlikely they won't move Oak Hill out of Chantilly if KAA goes through. Several School Board members have already said one of the main justifications is to "help" Chantilly. The community unfortunately didn't get the benefit of FCPS identifying and exploring alternatives and their cost.

By the way, it's absurd to claim it would have meant expanding Chantilly to 3500 seats.

If you put in the students who are bused away, it would. Remember, they took much of Navy out a few years ago.

"No, but others are lobbying to leave Westfield, South Lakes, and Oakton. "


I cannot speak to South Lakes, as the Fox Mill area is close to South Lakes. I know there is someone (s?) on this forum who really wants the Fox Mill community to go to KAA. That does not seem likely to me. The boundary is contiguous.

However, those being sent to Westfield have a substantial bus ride and are separated from the rest of the school student community. This does not create a school community--which is one reason people like Chantilly. Chantilly is not an affluent school and never has been, but it has a community feel.

While Oakton's boundary is somewhat contiguous, it is a thirty minute bus ride at best. It also requires Oakton student drivers to be on I66 or winding back roads. And, it would appear that --in a few short years--there will be a lot of growth in the
Oakton area.

Westfield is not a community school for anyone. No one even lives within walking distance. That's not a good reason to move kids out.

The neighborhoods on the Centreville side of Westfield are contiguous to one another. All neighborhoods at Chantilly are not walking distance, but they are next to other neighborhoods that go there. There is no break between them.

The other neighborhoods at Westfield are not separated by large industrial/warehouse/commercial/retail areas and Dulles Airport. That is the nature of the area. And, there are new neighborhoods being built by Westfield. Stonecroft, Lee Road, etc. They are not a thirty minute drive from Westfield on a school bus. And, there is not a high school that is as close to those neighborhoods as Westfield. Big difference.

Dulles Airport doesn't separate any Westfield-zoned neighborhoods.

[Anonymous]

The willingness of some who welcome a new HS at KAA to make misleading comments about the cost of a simple addition is troubling. Are they intentionally trying to inflate the cost to support the claim the KAA purchase is a bargain or are they just dense? At this point it's hard to tell.

Reminder: West Springfield construction was begun--and finished- several years ago. The last CIP said $93 million. Someone stated it was under budget, but I cannot find a number.
The CIP for Centreville expansion is almost $300 million.

Those are real numbers. Again, the foes of the new high school keep saying that it is too much money. Sorry, but I find that $150 million for the academy and two additional buildings where a school is needed is a bargain. And, it comes with furnishings.
I'm really sorry that you are so jealous of kids having the possibility of a school in their community instead of being sent over hill and dale to go to school upsets you so much.
Just think of the savings on bus transportation! Over the years, that adds up, too.
There has not been a viable option presented that allows these students to attend a school that is a reasonable distance and allows some stability. The current redistricting with THRU is further tearing up the neighborhoods.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

The willingness of some who welcome a new HS at KAA to make misleading comments about the cost of a simple addition is troubling. Are they intentionally trying to inflate the cost to support the claim the KAA purchase is a bargain or are they just dense? At this point it's hard to tell.

Reminder: West Springfield construction was begun--and finished- several years ago. The last CIP said $93 million. Someone stated it was under budget, but I cannot find a number.
The CIP for Centreville expansion is almost $300 million.

Those are real numbers. Again, the foes of the new high school keep saying that it is too much money. Sorry, but I find that $150 million for the academy and two additional buildings where a school is needed is a bargain. And, it comes with furnishings.
I'm really sorry that you are so jealous of kids having the possibility of a school in their community instead of being sent over hill and dale to go to school upsets you so much.
Just think of the savings on bus transportation! Over the years, that adds up, too.
There has not been a viable option presented that allows these students to attend a school that is a reasonable distance and allows some stability. The current redistricting with THRU is further tearing up the neighborhoods.

DP. Who’s jealous? My kid’s going to that humanities magnet. I’m pumped!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

The willingness of some who welcome a new HS at KAA to make misleading comments about the cost of a simple addition is troubling. Are they intentionally trying to inflate the cost to support the claim the KAA purchase is a bargain or are they just dense? At this point it's hard to tell.

Reminder: West Springfield construction was begun--and finished- several years ago. The last CIP said $93 million. Someone stated it was under budget, but I cannot find a number.
The CIP for Centreville expansion is almost $300 million.

Those are real numbers. Again, the foes of the new high school keep saying that it is too much money. Sorry, but I find that $150 million for the academy and two additional buildings where a school is needed is a bargain. And, it comes with furnishings.
I'm really sorry that you are so jealous of kids having the possibility of a school in their community instead of being sent over hill and dale to go to school upsets you so much.
Just think of the savings on bus transportation! Over the years, that adds up, too.
There has not been a viable option presented that allows these students to attend a school that is a reasonable distance and allows some stability. The current redistricting with THRU is further tearing up the neighborhoods.

Again, apples and oranges. The cost of a full renovation and expansion is not the same as the cost of an addition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The willingness of some who welcome a new HS at KAA to make misleading comments about the cost of a simple addition is troubling. Are they intentionally trying to inflate the cost to support the claim the KAA purchase is a bargain or are they just dense? At this point it's hard to tell.

Reminder: West Springfield construction was begun--and finished- several years ago. The last CIP said $93 million. Someone stated it was under budget, but I cannot find a number.
The CIP for Centreville expansion is almost $300 million.

Those are real numbers. Again, the foes of the new high school keep saying that it is too much money. Sorry, but I find that $150 million for the academy and two additional buildings where a school is needed is a bargain. And, it comes with furnishings.
I'm really sorry that you are so jealous of kids having the possibility of a school in their community instead of being sent over hill and dale to go to school upsets you so much.
Just think of the savings on bus transportation! Over the years, that adds up, too.
There has not been a viable option presented that allows these students to attend a school that is a reasonable distance and allows some stability. The current redistricting with THRU is further tearing up the neighborhoods.

DP. Who’s jealous? My kid’s going to that humanities magnet. I’m pumped!

Is that why Reid said the KAA purchase won't have any impact on the ongoing boundary study? Because they'll use it as a magnet that won't impact any boundaries because it's open to all students in the county?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The willingness of some who welcome a new HS at KAA to make misleading comments about the cost of a simple addition is troubling. Are they intentionally trying to inflate the cost to support the claim the KAA purchase is a bargain or are they just dense? At this point it's hard to tell.

Reminder: West Springfield construction was begun--and finished- several years ago. The last CIP said $93 million. Someone stated it was under budget, but I cannot find a number.
The CIP for Centreville expansion is almost $300 million.

Those are real numbers. Again, the foes of the new high school keep saying that it is too much money. Sorry, but I find that $150 million for the academy and two additional buildings where a school is needed is a bargain. And, it comes with furnishings.
I'm really sorry that you are so jealous of kids having the possibility of a school in their community instead of being sent over hill and dale to go to school upsets you so much.
Just think of the savings on bus transportation! Over the years, that adds up, too.
There has not been a viable option presented that allows these students to attend a school that is a reasonable distance and allows some stability. The current redistricting with THRU is further tearing up the neighborhoods.

DP. Who’s jealous? My kid’s going to that humanities magnet. I’m pumped!

Is that why Reid said the KAA purchase won't have any impact on the ongoing boundary study? Because they'll use it as a magnet that won't impact any boundaries because it's open to all students in the county?

Doubtful. She just wants to continue the fiasco that is the boundary study. It's hard to admit you made a mistake. You'd think this KAA facility would be a great excuse to stop it, but, I guess they have too much invested in it. Wonder how much in overruns THRU has had over the $500k? And, I also if anyone has added up staff hours spent on this... it is not insubstantial.